BloodRequiem said: The first chapter was pretty damn bad. Is it I-don't-like-genderbent-loli-characters bad, or is it actually just bad? Not a personal attack, I'm actually curious. Mind you, while the design is greatly uninspired (seriously, they could've given her a better outfit), the concept they used for Jack didn't sound too bad from what I heard. Still if it's really that bad, I would hope that they'd get someone like Urobochi or Nasu to monitor the project. |
ronri said: BloodRequiem said: The first chapter was pretty damn bad. Is it I-don't-like-genderbent-loli-characters bad, or is it actually just bad? Not a personal attack, I'm actually curious. Mind you, while the design is greatly uninspired (seriously, they could've given her a better outfit), the concept they used for Jack didn't sound too bad from what I heard. Still if it's really that bad, I would hope that they'd get someone like Urobochi or Nasu to monitor the project. Don't know if it's because of the translation but the dialogue was handled very poorly. At times it felt like it was just talking heads. You just don't feel the emotions and the suspense. Reika is also a pretty bland character. The way she just immediately accepted everything about the grail war and the world of magic without many questions just seems unrealistic to me. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
ssjokg said: FSN anime>>>FSN UBW movie. I couldn't imagine how F/SN anime is better than F/SN UBW Movie. |
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| I prefer they make tsukihime arc route with a mix of akiha and kohaku route |
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Sa-chan_ said: ssjokg said: FSN anime>>>FSN UBW movie. I couldn't imagine how F/SN anime is better than F/SN UBW Movie. The only thing UBW has better than the tv series is the animation.They didnt even animate the fights right in the movie.Also watch the movie without any info about Fate/ and/or the holy grail wars.I doubt you will see the story anywhere. UBW is fights,fights,fights,dolphins,fights . |
ssjokg said: dolphins LoL |
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| ufotable's HF opening: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVKubaZVoTs http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm19462321 Looks amazing. Please give the rights to ufotable and let them do their thing. |
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stAtic91 said: ufotable's HF opening: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVKubaZVoTs http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm19462321  But it looks so fucking good that I want an anime right now. |
| Totally. I think the song was switched out. I'm guessing it should be the same song as the Fate and UBW openings. Here's the UBW opening in case it hasn't been posted: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm19461459 |
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stAtic91 said: Totally. I think the song was switched out. I'm guessing it should be the same song as the Fate and UBW openings. Here's the UBW opening in case it hasn't been posted: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm19461459 Only the part before the FSN logo was posted here.I think the video was from an event.Thanks |
stAtic91 said: Totally. I think the song was switched out. I'm guessing it should be the same song as the Fate and UBW openings. Here's the UBW opening in case it hasn't been posted: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm19461459 O yeah! The game is released today. I totally fapped to dat Ufotable Kojirou. |
BloodRequiemNov 28, 2012 2:35 PM
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
| Holy shit!!! I want an HF anime now! After seeing that opening I know which route is my favorite. Kotomine was kick ass and that scene at the end with Rin vs Sakura's shadows... Damn! |
Ragna92Nov 28, 2012 2:48 PM
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| Give Heaven's Feel anime thnxbye |
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| Here's better quality and the actual song for the HF op: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm19465549 |
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stAtic91 said: Here's better quality and the actual song for the HF op: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm19465549 Wow Kadokawa is doing a great job at removing the trailers. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
| I think this thread is good enough for posting this here. From the YT comments in a trailer of the PSvita FSN: Dear F/SN fans, I don't understand why u guys hate DEEN so much and keep saying there's no FSN Anime and stuff but I still love FSN made by DEEN. Remember the OP disillusion DEEN made? Remember the simple but beautiful ED Anata ga ita mori? Remember the epic ED Hikari which resembles Archer. Remember Saber's last moment with "Kimi to no Ashita"? continues to this: To tell the truth, the only thing ufotable wins over DEEN is animation, nothing more. Fate's characters design by Ishihara Megumi is way better than ufortable. They also did a good job in developing characters, especially Saber and Shirou. Just because ufotable did a "well-animated" Fate OP doesn't mean they can do Fate better than DEEN LOL." Thoughts? |
ssjokg said: I think this thread is good enough for posting this here. From the YT comments in a trailer of the PSvita FSN: Dear F/SN fans, I don't understand why u guys hate DEEN so much and keep saying there's no FSN Anime and stuff but I still love FSN made by DEEN. Remember the OP disillusion DEEN made? Remember the simple but beautiful ED Anata ga ita mori? Remember the epic ED Hikari which resembles Archer. Remember Saber's last moment with "Kimi to no Ashita"? continues to this: To tell the truth, the only thing ufotable wins over DEEN is animation, nothing more. Fate's characters design by Ishihara Megumi is way better than ufortable. They also did a good job in developing characters, especially Saber and Shirou. Just because ufotable did a "well-animated" Fate OP doesn't mean they can do Fate better than DEEN LOL." Thoughts? 3/10 too obvious |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: I think this thread is good enough for posting this here. From the YT comments in a trailer of the PSvita FSN: Dear F/SN fans, I don't understand why u guys hate DEEN so much and keep saying there's no FSN Anime and stuff but I still love FSN made by DEEN. Remember the OP disillusion DEEN made? Remember the simple but beautiful ED Anata ga ita mori? Remember the epic ED Hikari which resembles Archer. Remember Saber's last moment with "Kimi to no Ashita"? continues to this: To tell the truth, the only thing ufotable wins over DEEN is animation, nothing more. Fate's characters design by Ishihara Megumi is way better than ufortable. They also did a good job in developing characters, especially Saber and Shirou. Just because ufotable did a "well-animated" Fate OP doesn't mean they can do Fate better than DEEN LOL." Thoughts? 3/10 too obvious Maybe he was a troll yeah.But we have seen people liking FSN more than FZ before so... |
| I think he's wrong. |
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| Deen isn't satan himself, but I believe Ufotable is better at adapting stories from other media into the anime world. They did an incredible job adapting F/Z light novel, and the only thing that fucked them over big time was the author himself (concerning the Lancelot scene and Gil talk with the grail) - the same can be said with kara no kyoukai. I like the art and design of Ufotable more too, their style is more gritty and dark, more suitable for stories like F/Z, KnK and Heaven's feel especially which are tragedies and melancholy - Deen is more... I don't know, moe, concerning this. |
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| I think ufotable's art and character design is absolutely perfect for Type-Moon - as seen in KnK, F/Z and now these F/SN openings. DEEN handled Shirou's character very poorly - I disliked the guy when watching the anime, but playing the VN made me find him interesting and somewhat like him. OP and ED songs do not make an anime so I don't know why he's even bringing that up, but Fate/Zero and KnK had fucking Kalafina so automatic win there. |
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| Heaven's Feel OP (better sound quality): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbXtniO6ims Quick! Watch it before it gets taken down. =u= |
ronri said: Heaven's Feel OP (better sound quality): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbXtniO6ims Quick! Watch it before it gets taken down. =u= 6 hours later: Why do I go to bed during the most important times? |
ssjokg said: Why do I go to bed during the most important times? Well, isn't it great that I managed to save it then? ;) https://vimeo.com/54855218 |
ronri said: ssjokg said: Why do I go to bed during the most important times? Well, isn't it great that I managed to save it then? ;) https://vimeo.com/54855218 Thanks for that. |
ronri said: ssjokg said: Why do I go to bed during the most important times? Well, isn't it great that I managed to save it then? ;) https://vimeo.com/54855218 "Untitled 2" Smart. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
| Since we're discussing about Heaven's Feel... On the first 3 panels, when was that? Or maybe I'm missing or forgetting something? o_o |
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Sa-chan_ said: It was from Carnival PhantasmSince we're discussing about Heaven's Feel... On the first 3 panels, when was that? Or maybe I'm missing or forgetting something? o_o |
ssjokg said: ronri said: Heaven's Feel OP (better sound quality): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbXtniO6ims Quick! Watch it before it gets taken down. =u= 6 hours later: Why do I go to bed during the most important times? I dont get why they like to delete videos like this and trailers. Its pretty much a free advertisement for them |
| The Art of Eight |
| Time for Ufotable to adapt HF route now. I'm always sadden for all the strategies that Sakura and Kariya have to endure, so I want Sakura to be happy more than any character in Fate. If they decided to make HF, it's going straight to my top 5 |
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| Heaven's Feel route + Saber's character arc from Fate + Archer's arc from UBW + ufotable & Kaijura = EPIC WIN. Difficult to pull it off, though. |
| Anything Type-Moon relevant by ufotable is always a good thing; a Fate/Stay Night remake of any route would be pure gold, especially Unlimited Blade Works or Heaven's Feel. Of course, a Tsukihime anime or Mahoutskai no Yora adaptation would still be welcome :) |
| "The more inexperienced you are, the more you want to show off." - Oreki, Hyouka |
name93 said: Heaven's Feel route + Saber's character arc from Fate + Archer's arc from UBW + ufotable & Kaijura = EPIC WIN. Difficult to pull it off, though. Well, since we already know Saber's backstory from Fate/Zero, all they have to do is market it as a sequel to that (which it is). And they could always have Saber tell Shirou about Kiritsugu on their nightly patrols. Saber character arc: Check. As for Archer's arc, yes but not in the way I think you're saying. The way Archer treats Shirou in UBW is much different in Heaven's Feel simply due to the fact that Shirou decided against being an ally of justice on his own. The best thing they could do for Archer is finally give us concrete details on his life when Shirou releases his arm. Archer character arc: Check. ufotable and Kajiura are a given. On a personal note I'd like it if they used the original EMIYA in the soundtrack. Besides that, Kajiura can do whatever she wants. :P The other (infinitely more expensive) option is to adapt all of the routes and give them a season each. |
Errol said: name93 said: Heaven's Feel route + Saber's character arc from Fate + Archer's arc from UBW + ufotable & Kaijura = EPIC WIN. Difficult to pull it off, though. Well, since we already know Saber's backstory from Fate/Zero, all they have to do is market it as a sequel to that (which it is). And they could always have Saber tell Shirou about Kiritsugu on their nightly patrols. Saber character arc: Check. I was talking about Saber's character arc from the Fate route. It's the second half of an arc that started in Zero. Or do you think fans will be fine with her being reduced to a plot device with two and a half scenes, whose only purpose is to allow Shirou to symbolically kill his ideals? Saber Alter may be cool, but there is zero character development for her there. In other words, she's redundant. People seem to forget that, regardless of the similarity in tone, Fate/Zero is NOT a prequel to Heaven's Feel. It's a prequel to Fate/Stay Night ( as in, the WHOLE of F/SN ). If you want to create a sequel to F/Z, it has to fuse elements from all three routes. Otherwise the story is as incomplete as DEEN's adaptation, only with better production values if ufotable and Kaijura are on board. |
name93 said: I was talking about Saber's character arc from the Fate route. It's the second half of an arc that started in Zero. Or do you think fans will be fine with her being reduced to a plot device with two and a half scenes, whose only purpose is to allow Shirou to symbolically kill his ideals? Saber Alter may be cool, but there is zero character development for her there. In other words, she's redundant. People seem to forget that, regardless of the similarity in tone, Fate/Zero is NOT a prequel to Heaven's Feel. It's a prequel to Fate/Stay Night ( as in, the WHOLE of F/SN ). If you want to create a sequel to F/Z, it has to fuse elements from all three routes. Otherwise the story is as incomplete as DEEN's adaptation, only with better production values if ufotable and Kaijura are on board. This is actually true, which brings me to your previous point: name93 said: Heaven's Feel route + Saber's character arc from Fate + Archer's arc from UBW + ufotable & Kaijura = EPIC WIN. Difficult to pull it off, though. This, I totally agree with. This is the only way an anime of F/SN could work as a proper sequel to the F/Z anime. Doing Heaven's Feel on its own just won't be enough, as a lot of character development for Saber and Shirou are in Fate and UBW respectively. Sure you'd have to make adjustments in Shirou's transitioning from his UBW mindset to his Heaven's Feel one, but I think it's necessary considering how a lack of proper exploration in Archer's character just lessens his impact as well as Shirou's. Now this is just me, but in regards to Saber, they could use her character development from Fate while still allowing her to die as Saber Alter. It'd be interesting in the way that it could feel more in line with F/Z. Giving her a tragic death like that could even be twisted into something that's almost reflective of Lancelot, in that only through a violent struggle (being possessed by Sakura) and dying that way could she finally realize her mistakes while finding some form of inner contentment of her rule as a king. Heck throw in the Fate ending as a sort of "vision" of realization in her last moments to give a bittersweet touch to her ending. |
ronriJan 15, 2013 8:31 AM
name93 said: Errol said: name93 said: Heaven's Feel route + Saber's character arc from Fate + Archer's arc from UBW + ufotable & Kaijura = EPIC WIN. Difficult to pull it off, though. Well, since we already know Saber's backstory from Fate/Zero, all they have to do is market it as a sequel to that (which it is). And they could always have Saber tell Shirou about Kiritsugu on their nightly patrols. Saber character arc: Check. I was talking about Saber's character arc from the Fate route. It's the second half of an arc that started in Zero. Or do you think fans will be fine with her being reduced to a plot device with two and a half scenes, whose only purpose is to allow Shirou to symbolically kill his ideals? Saber Alter may be cool, but there is zero character development for her there. In other words, she's redundant. People seem to forget that, regardless of the similarity in tone, Fate/Zero is NOT a prequel to Heaven's Feel. It's a prequel to Fate/Stay Night ( as in, the WHOLE of F/SN ). If you want to create a sequel to F/Z, it has to fuse elements from all three routes. Otherwise the story is as incomplete as DEEN's adaptation, only with better production values if ufotable and Kaijura are on board. Of course I don't think fans will be satisfied with that. I'm also well aware of everything you mentioned. I just believe that if ufotable were to animate any part of F/SN, it would be Heaven's Feel and Heaven's Feel only. And if we're going to a create a good adaptation of that route, fusing major elements of all three routes is NOT the greatest idea. Especially considering that's exactly what DEEN did. Its not just difficult to pull off, but if you want a cohesive story, its damn near impossible regardless of how complete it may be. That's not to say that having some elements from the other routes isn't a good thing. Hell, I'm all for having servants backgrounds touched upon somehow. I just don't believe having something as massive as Saber's arc from the Fate route covered in its entirety as possible if we want the story flow as smoothly as possible. |
Errol said: Of course I don't think fans will be satisfied with that. I'm also well aware of everything you mentioned. I just believe that if ufotable were to animate any part of F/SN, it would be Heaven's Feel and Heaven's Feel only. And if we're going to a create a good adaptation of that route, fusing major elements of all three routes is NOT the greatest idea. Especially considering that's exactly what DEEN did. Its not just difficult to pull off, but if you want a cohesive story, its damn near impossible regardless of how complete it may be. That's not to say that having some elements from the other routes isn't a good thing. Hell, I'm all for having servants backgrounds touched upon somehow. I just don't believe having something as massive as Saber's arc from the Fate route covered in its entirety as possible if we want the story flow as smoothly as possible. Going for a straight, word-for-word adaptation of HF would be making the same mistake as DEEN, if not worse. F/SN anime was as mediocre as it is because it only adapted one third of the whole story. Sure, they tried to tie up a few loose ends and character arcs by putting some elements from UBW and HF routes, but the effort was very lackluster and they put little thought into how well it integrated with the rest of the story, resulting in that abysmal Caster Arc. The mistake was in the approach and execution, not the underlying intent. The problem with a possible adaptation of HF is that it doesn't stand on its own. It does ultimately resolve the plot and a number of characters who were brushed aside in the previous two routes get the deserved screentime, but it won't add up on its own, and it most definitely won't work as a proper sequel to F/Z, despite the similarity in tone and themes. The emotional impact of HF relies a lot on the things that were already established in the previous two routes. Sure, lots of plot elements and the setting has been already covered by F/Z, but there's still plenty of groundwork for both the story and characters in HF that were only covered in Fate and UBW. HF focuses on Shirou, Sakura, Zouken and Kotomine at the expense of almost everyone else, including some pretty major characters like Saber and Archer. Saber in particular is a tricky problem to solve since she's the face of the franchise and has already been established as one of the main characters by F/Z. The game could afford to relegate her to a plot device with only a handful of scenes in HF route, because she already had her story told in the Fate route. Since we already saw her "real" story, we accepted her diminished and different role in other routes, and it allowed the writer to give the same character different roles and incarnations - hence her name "Saber Alter" in HF. A sequel to F/Z does not have the luxury of a multi-branch game like F/SN. It can't afford, from a purely narrative perspective, to dump a few major characters for the sake of others and to not conclude their character arcs. I may be focusing on Saber a lot here, but that's primarily because she's the only major character who gets the stick in HF. Everyone's story is solved at the expense of hers and this is a real narrative problem. And like I said, it's not just her - one of the main reasons why casual fans really loved F/Z and loathed F/SN is because Zero gave equal ( well, proportional ) focus to ALL of the characters. In each route of F/SN, we only get to really know a couple of characters ( with the exception of Shirou and Rin, who are pretty much constantly present ), while Zero managed to balance its large cast of characters brilliantly, and it's a singular, linear story. Servants in particular were a strong point of Zero ( three kings FTW! 'zerker in his awesomness! insane but lovable Caster! ), along with the great rivalry between Kirei and Kiritsugu and several really loveable characters like Iri and Waver. The point is, a proper sequel for Zero must have that same balance. Kiritsugu was more or less the main character in Zero, but he wasn't as omnipresent as Shirou is in F/SN. SN has an equally large cast, and while none match the awesomeness of Rider, they all deserve proper screentime and the recurring characters from Zero ( primarily Saber and Gilgamesh ) need to have their arcs properly concluded. All of this requires massive re-writing of the original VN, a creation of a "Super-route". ALL three routes are equally worthy, and while I agree that HF provides the best "meat" for a sequel, UBW and Fate cannot be ignored, and all routes have something worthwhile to add in regards to both character development, plot and the substance of the story. Sure, hardcore F/SN fans will piss their pants out of happiness even if ufotable only strictly adapt HF route, but then again, it's not the hardcore fans that the studio will target if they make a sequel. Readers of the VN constitute a minority of the total viewership, especially since F/Z was immensely more popular than F/SN anime by DEEN, and there's a sizable number of people who only ever watched Zero and aren't interested in either the F/SN anime ( since they heard it's crap ) or in the VN. Hardcore fans will watch ANYTHING ufotable bring to the table ( see what I did there? ), so the studio should focus on satisfying the entirety of the fanbase and even add some more, which can only be achieved with a PROPER sequel that covers F/SN in its entirety. In the end, ufotable are a company, and while they might not be greedy bastards and actually care about the quality of their products, they still have to take money into account and balance between the money they invest into the budget and the expected profit from the distribution. More profit = more money for future endeavours. And a "super-route" approach promises greater returns than a fan-pandering adaptation of HF only. |
| The thing is that it's impossible to make an anime that can cover all 3 routes. |
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Ragna92 said: The thing is that it's impossible to make an anime that can cover all 3 routes. "Glory lies over the horizon. Challenge it because it's unreachable". I'd rather see them try and fail miserably than not try at all. |
| Ya know, all of these possible problems could be easily solved if adapting all three of the routes and giving them a cour each wasn't so goddamn expensive. |
ErrolJan 19, 2013 1:41 PM
Errol said: Ya know, all of these possible problems could be easily solved if adapting all three routes and giving them a cour each wasn't so goddamn expensive. Maybe if all the fans chipped in...? :D Dammit, where's Gil's treasury when we need it the most?! |
name93 said: Errol said: Ya know, all of these possible problems could be easily solved if adapting all three routes and giving them a cour each wasn't so goddamn expensive. Maybe if all the fans chipped in...? :D Dammit, where's Gil's treasury when we need it the most?! Take my bank account ufotable. JUST TAKE IT! |
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