| I think this is a pretty good dissection of Bleach and where it went wrong. http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/ir/yrt/readright/35098-read-right-to-left-the-downfall-of-bleach-part-1 http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/ir/yrt/readright/35352-read-right-to-left-the-downfall-of-bleach-part-2 With Bleach's plummeting sales numbers it's become pretty apparent that Bleach has gone wrong in a lot of places. I pretty much agree with everything this guy has to say about where Bleach really started to fall apart. While I think Bleach really lost it's charm after the Soul Society arc, I do agree that it didn't really become terrible until the end of the fight with Ulquiorra. After that point none of the fights were interesting and everything got dragged out to the point of being super boring. It's like Kubo latched on to a single plot pattern and could never figure out how to give Bleach a new direction. After the SS arc, Bleach became a decaying repetition of the same story that just got worse with every iteration. The characters continued in the same stale patterns never really developing to any significant extent or if they did develop they seemed to get reset so they'd have to go through the same type of development again and again. This is really apparent with Ichigo and his struggles with his inner Hollow. The whole evolution of Zangetsu, Ichigo's inner world and struggle with his Hollow side became very murky at the end. It never really got a satisfying conclusion. Anyway I thought these videos would be something interesting to share if you haven't heard it already. The complaints aren't really anything new but I liked the actual depth of analysis this guy goes through. |
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| wait your only noticing this now? |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| No, I noticed this stuff a long time ago but I just found these videos the other day and thought people might find them interesting. |
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| The final filler arc sucks... I hate it... |
| thanks for sharing, I loved watching those videos x3 |
| Havent read the article but i agree with what you said there. However, i still find bleach to be good. The last arc was awful but things are starting to look good again. Good, not epic like it was, just good. |
| It definitley went downhll after the Soul Society arc. |
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| i really can't understand how you can lose yourself over some goddamn manga series. and nobody cares about yamamoto? that battle between him and wonderweiss was badass! anyway, i still like bleach, it had its moments that the quality was a bit low, but fuck it i dont care. i enjoy reading it, thats all that matters to me. |
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| On a whim, I decided to pick Bleach back up last night, after dropping at volume 35 (~chap. 305) some time back in '07 Almost 200 chapters later (read up to 495), some thoughts (spoiler free): Summary: Just as YRoT (the reviewer) did, Bleach was one of the earlier manga I've followed (sometime during late 2000 to '01, when the raws were available). So as someone who was around to see it rise and fall(?) in popularity, it's a real shame to know people aren't willing to accept Mr. Kubo's work for what it is, rather than what they think it should be P.S. Never picked back up the anime (around the Bount arc [~ep 90]), so if that factors in with manga sales (in which it probably would for the most part), I'm not aware of it. Anyone who still follows the anime is welcome to share their thoughts about that P.S.S. There's also a recent discussion going on here: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=451663 |
titaniachktJun 27, 2012 3:53 AM
| the downfall of Bleach was the moment the Fullbring Arc started. everything else was fine. also the latest filler arc was bllleeehhh. they should have put Bleach anime on hold right after the Aizen arc ended. that way we wouldn't get stuck with thos baka fillers and maybe...they wouldn't have ended Bleach so soon. ;_; |
"Wait for the signal, and I'll meet you after dark" |
| Its case of rose-tinted glasses. People bitched about pacing and lack of quality during SS arc and how "the first arc was so much better". They did it during arrancar arc and they did it during FB arc and they are doing now. The quality never changed. And "because I do not like different stuff and want moar shinigami" is not an argument. The only lower quality point was HM invasion and start of Karakura Town arc. The end of that arc was perfectly awesome and FB arc added a lot of emotion into the manga. With the thousand year blood war arc that is now, Bleach is currently the best out of holy shonen trio. |
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Enjolras1830 said: its sales are baed if you cpmore it to the H ales of OP and Naruto its fell and wont recover its sold under 2 million takabon its not in top three sales and never will be again And the fact that it still outsells 99% of all other manga releases and dominates volume sales does not matter at all :) It does not sell as well as it did, but it still sells a whole lot more than well, majority of manga releases. |
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| "Kurosaki-kun.... kurosaki-kin.............. Kurosaki-KUN!!!!!!" |
| Fullbring arc was just a huge mistake, I am liking the current arc though. |
| I never hated any of the arc...I actually enjoyed the fullbring arc. hopefully this new arc will bring about the 'uprising' of Bleach to its former glory. |
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| Who can't stand this manga just don't read it .Haters gonna hate everywhere or retards gonna hate . |
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Icebreaker93 said: Who can't stand this manga just don't read it .Haters gonna hate everywhere or retards gonna hate . oh please, we have the right to critize it all the way to the first chapter, and it should matter not for you whether we like it or not, this is not chapter discussion so you have no right to tell us what to do..... actually I think that it is a good thing we can say that here instead of keeping it to ourselves to avoid being called haters by fanboys, I personally think that Kubo has no intention to think about the plot, it seems like he is just drawing what he has seen in his nightmare to fill the blank pages to earn his share before bleach get's discontinued or finished .... |
| I had the potential to not be shit if Aizen arc didnt draggggggggg on |
| fuck sales, the mainstream people don't decide what's quality and what not, if sales would say somethin' bout the quality Lady gaga would be the best artist of the world or somethin, and immortal technique the weakest artist, conclusion: bullcrap. |
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nijlpaard87 said: fuck sales, the mainstream people don't decide what's quality and what not, if sales would say somethin' bout the quality Lady gaga would be the best artist of the world or somethin, and immortal technique the weakest artist, conclusion: bullcrap. Professional mangaka usually need money to continue drawing, so I'd say sales are pretty important |
titaniachkt said: nijlpaard87 said: fuck sales, the mainstream people don't decide what's quality and what not, if sales would say somethin' bout the quality Lady gaga would be the best artist of the world or somethin, and immortal technique the weakest artist, conclusion: bullcrap. Professional mangaka usually need money to continue drawing, so I'd say sales are pretty important all i''m sayin is that if a manga sells good, it says nothing about quality, there are tons of manga which do not sell as much as naruto or one piece does, but they are on the same level or maybe even on a higher level, i agree that kubo needs his bucks to continue drawing, but that's another story, and yeah, if we must believe Bakuman, he wouldn't last long, ah well... |
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| I don't know why most people saw the Fullbring arc as negative and hate it... IMO, just the fact that it had new characters, showing everyone from 1 year older, sexier/cuter and cooler, improved art and that Ichigo gets his powers back! Plus a little bonus with Riruka having a crush on Ichigo. Was enough for me to love it! But I do agree on the video of what the guy said, the mangaka really did... "fail"... |
waalex11 said: I don't know why most people saw the Fullbring arc as negative and hate it... Weeeelll...for me at least it was the following reasons. Started out with Ginjou showing Ichigo a picture of his father (promising info on Ichigo's family FINALLY), and yet everyone completely forgot about it (even ichigo <_<). It was an arc whose only plot development was Ichigo getting his power's back(pretty small for so many chapters). It was strictly a character-oriented arc rotating arround Ichigo without giving him any substantial development(he wants to protect we get it already) and the rest of the characters were nothing new (another vizard group) that were ditched in the garbage as soon as the arc ended without getting any particular backgroun on them. Yeah I get it that kubo MIGHT include their story in this arc but for me that arc was way too empty. |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| Bleach is soo boring now in general. It's now basically a rehash from the previous arcs, nothing new and exciting anymore. |
"You need chaos in your soul to give birth to a dancing star." -Friedrich Nietzsche | Last.fm  |
Junigenmukyoku said: Bleach is soo boring now in general. It's now basically a rehash from the previous arcs, nothing new and exciting anymore. That's a bit of an exageration on your part. Last arc has lots of things to offer. It's just that in my eyes hhe is on his way to screwing things up again, but the arc itself does not fall in the category of what you are describing. FB and arrancar though..yeah your comment sums it all up |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| Nice video. There is a lot of us like this guy, who loved Bleach, and now are just disappointed with this series. |
PutySep 13, 2015 1:54 PM
Shiznat said: I don't see the point in complaining about bleach :/ If you don't like it, don't read it. Simple. The point is very simple. People were reading it during it's golden age and got attached to it but somewhere Bleach lost track of itself. People are reading it either with hope that it will get better or simply to finish the manga that they started so long ago. You consider it easy for people to drop something that they started years ago and have been through all 500 chaps?? |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| there have been times i enjoyed the filler arcs more than the actual arcs cause they reminded me more of the Soul Society arc. Granted thats anime only. |
| Bleach really should have ended when they, you know, defeated the main bad guy of the series? I remember I quite liked it during the first 30 or so episodes... Good times, good times. |
| I LOVED Bleach untill the moment Aizen opened the portal into Karakura Town then it just became absolutely god awful. Hitsugaya clearly stated 10 vast lorde enemies would destroy soul society I assumed those were teeh espada but along come the captain who proceed to wipe the floor with the espada and number 1 is defeated with a shikai, not a bankai, a freaking shikai. then after all those boring fights where the shinigami defeated the randomly created bad guys just so that everyone got a fight, Aizen slaughtered everyone by himself. wtf was the point in his army if he could do it all alone. Tousen's Death was an absolute joke, Gin after all the set up was just brushed aside by Aizen in the end. What made Bleach great was the story of Ichigo and his friends, developing their powers in this amazing new world that opened up to them, the young heroes against the big enemey (soul society) and overcoming them against all the odds. it may be cliche but he it works. when the series brought more focus to the shinigami who were already so powerful it gets boring because you know they cant lose. Orihime, Chad, Uryu are all pushed aside as the characters than cant do a damn thing. Uryu & Chad havnt defeated anyone since Gantenbien and Cirruci Orihime is just a damsel in distress I like some of the Shinigami but this manga takes the meme Big good and uses it every time. the big good is the major unstoppable force of good that arrives in times when there is no other option but kubo throws it out every arc. plus it doenst help that only 1 good guy Choujiro has died in the entirety of the manga no matter what injury is received like Hiyori being severed in two they tend to survive. and so you have fights where you know the good guys cant lose and no injury will kill them. bleach was at its best when you had the young heroes learning their powers in an amazing new world overcoming the great enemy. shifting the focus onto the shinigami and making them the centre of every battle imo was when bleach failed. Kira, Hisage, Ikkau, thet're ok but i dont wanna see randomly created villains just so they can each get a 2 chapter fight. especially Kira and Hisage who had been all but absnet from the manga sice soul society arc ended at least Ikkaku had been around in the arrancar arc. Really hoped the fullbring arc would change things but nope the shinigami had to bail out Ichigo's friends again. how interesting would one piece be if Shanks had to save Luffy in every fight or Naruto if for example Minato had lived and had to rescue Naruto in every fight. You simply cannot keep a manga interestingw hen the good guys are a ton stronger than your villains. hopefully this arc looks to be changing that around. but I still dont expect Uryu or Chad to do anything significant it will be all Ichigo focused. |
but I still dont expect Uryu or Chad to do anything significant it will be all Ichigo focused Chad had already been beaten x). Why does he even tag along? xD Unfortunately, since SS arc Kubo seems to base his story of the character's popularity polls. That's why for ex. Chad, Komamura are constantly screwed, and Sasakibe, the most bland and undeveloped character in the series dies. And on the other hand Kira(yeah i also don't know why he's so damn popular) and Byakuya were chosen as the victims of these new villains. Overall good post. I only smile when people say about the current arc "this is how war should be handled by mangaka" because everybody is slaughtered. BUT not to death, so what's the point, the only confirmed casualty is Sasakibe - the character who virtually nobody cares about, and some thousands of randoms. Byakuya? Yeah, we've seen Renji being crushed by him in the very same manner(sea of blood just bursted of him) and nothing happened. Until Orihime is around she can resurrect anybody(like that arrancar chick whom Grimmjow... well, killed). |
PutyAug 28, 2012 6:40 AM
| Untill the start of the FullbringshitarcWTF Bleach was amazing,and for me better than the other shounens!Hell, it was in my top 3 back then!After the whole thing with AIzen ended...I really hope it will be again amazing! |
| This world...is rotten |
| If you ask me the biggest problem with Bleach after Soul Society is that Kubo was quite frankly ripping off Yu Yu Hakusho. I mean some of the arc's where just copy and paste especially the Fullbring arc, which was basically the arc after Dark Tournament in Yu Yu. He did an exceptional job with Soul Society, all the characters where well developed the fights where extremely fun to watch especially Ichigo vs Byakuya (don't know if I spelled that correctly). Afterwards it felt like a bad rendition of Yu Yu Hakusho with the amount of filler that DBZ had. On the bright side the most recent arc is actually quite good compared to his previous stuff. Its got that "Soul Society Arc" feel too it. When all is said and done, I'll still admit that I like Bleach its got its moments, and personally I prefer Ichigo as a main character than Naruto. Its not as good as say Hunter x Hunter, One Piece, or Gintama; but its fair to say that it stands its ground as a Shonen and its full of enjoyable moments. |
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| It's been going downhill for me since that chapter where Aizen turned evil. |
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