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Jun 7, 2012 10:05 AM
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I'm a bit conflicted right after the last episode i couldn't hold myself back and started reading the manga since i wanted more but now its going to be another week before i get to see anything new, actually two weeks since i know what happens next episode too. but if i read more now i might pass this season then have even more of a wait. what to do what to do. Then again reading in advance didn't take much off the awesome factor but it made the waiting worse. I dont know what i'll do
 
Jun 7, 2012 10:06 AM

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MEDAKA BOOBS EP 10

Damn they went DBZ in this one
anyway The 2 soundtracks in the SSJ scene were Great
waiting for the OST release :)
 
Jun 7, 2012 11:27 AM

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Easily the best episode of the series, but its a shame that this is only the beginning of the genre shift, hopefully they animate another season

As a side note tho, Medaka's way of thinking is really really naive; that is made even more evident as time goes on, so in that sense part of what Unzen said was right, she only looks at half of people, and tries to make her scenarios the "right way"; she can't accept the idea that humans are by nature horrible things.
 
Jun 7, 2012 12:08 PM

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Two words: Medaka Kaioken^^
 
Jun 7, 2012 12:31 PM

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Just where the hell is this series going? Now she saved her friends withing a moments time and went red haired super saiyan (war god mode) afterward. Apparently the guys even knew about this state which she hasn't been in for three years.
 
Jun 7, 2012 12:55 PM

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Onii said:
Dropped.


I would do the same if I wouldn't be interested in the ever mentioned genre-shift, but I'm not convienced so far, since I can't help but feel that the last two episodes felt extremely disjointed and out of place compared to the rest of the series. That is fairly much given on my end how the creator HAD to change genres in order to keep the manga alive, but at this point it feels like the creator read a few shounen mangas, and decided to do the same kind of story, hoping that'l make the series successful. Which wouldn't be a problem in itself of course if the genre change provides an entertaining story/characters/fights/etc., but I wasn't impressed with any of it up to this point, since there's no connection between the two genres to truly justify the existence of the new genre, as far as the story goes. Not to mention the "superpowers", which are as random as the whole new genre itself. Especially with the inclusion of the "new" Medaka, who is apparently the mix of Sonic the Hedgehog (save three people from an explosion and neutralize a few bombs within a split second?) and a female Super Saiyan with the additional rage-fueled transformation. Unzen is a similar case, but instead he's as cliched and boring as it comes, not to mention he feels like a completely different character from a different show.
 
Jun 7, 2012 1:32 PM
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Unzen has pushed the wrong buttons.
 
Jun 7, 2012 1:56 PM

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Great episode!
Though I don't like the overflow of hair she has in War God Mode..
My favorite part was when she said she cannot forgive him in that badass voice. I repeated that like seven times.
 
Jun 7, 2012 2:36 PM

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DID THAT JUST HAPPEN?!
 
Jun 7, 2012 2:37 PM

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Dodgers20 said:
Onii said:
Dropped.


I would do the same if I wouldn't be interested in the ever mentioned genre-shift, but I'm not convienced so far, since I can't help but feel that the last two episodes felt extremely disjointed and out of place compared to the rest of the series. That is fairly much given on my end how the creator HAD to change genres in order to keep the manga alive, but at this point it feels like the creator read a few shounen mangas, and decided to do the same kind of story, hoping that'l make the series successful. Which wouldn't be a problem in itself of course if the genre change provides an entertaining story/characters/fights/etc., but I wasn't impressed with any of it up to this point, since there's no connection between the two genres to truly justify the existence of the new genre, as far as the story goes. Not to mention the "superpowers", which are as random as the whole new genre itself. Especially with the inclusion of the "new" Medaka, who is apparently the mix of Sonic the Hedgehog (save three people from an explosion and neutralize a few bombs within a split second?) and a female Super Saiyan with the additional rage-fueled transformation. Unzen is a similar case, but instead he's as cliched and boring as it comes, not to mention he feels like a completely different character from a different show.


Actually it was intended all along. It's revealed in the second ark. The Flask Plan. So really your analysis so far is completely flawed.
 
Jun 7, 2012 4:07 PM

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SHIT JUST GOT REAL

Shame there's only 2 more episodes left. This episode almost has me sold on reading the manga
 
Jun 7, 2012 4:40 PM

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Too bad they probably wont animate the Flask Plan arc :c
 
Jun 7, 2012 4:52 PM

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So it turns out that Perses mode is actually Kaioken.
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Jun 7, 2012 4:58 PM

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O.o Medaka with red hair... Its true, She is a Monster who survived at the bombs. Really amazing. Now waiting for the next episode.
 
Jun 7, 2012 6:37 PM

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Too bad they probably wont animate the Flask Plan arc :c


I think that they are just testing the water with this first season. Rarely would studio start with the intention of making a long running serie, except for secondhand studio that animate your usual long running shounen.
If the sales are good then we can pretty much expect a second season and since Medaka box has been well received and that NisiOisin is the storywriter of the manga I guess that we can expect good sale, but that isn't a given yet.

Actually for those that think that the genre shift is weird, I'll say that Medaka Box was meant from the start to be a battle shounen and that even if it feel akward the first time, NisiOisin has proven that he has the ability to write a very awesome battle shounen.

Kumagawa arc and Anshin arc, let's hope for it.

Also I hope I wasn't the only one that didn't expect red or any different color for Perses mode? I mean... I always thought it was a much lighter version of her normal hair color, like if her hair was turning closer to white but still had it's color. I think that the light red feel weird.
 
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kinda felt like index with all these speeches followed by punches. I hope there is an interesting explanation for the powerup as well. With two episodes left I really can't tell how they're going to end this, they have to at least make this a 24 episode series to end on a good note, but I have no idea if we'll see a second season.
 
Jun 7, 2012 11:09 PM

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What chapter are we on? I think I'm going to pick up the manga.

Nvm found it - chapter 19.
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Jun 7, 2012 11:44 PM

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Curb Stomp Battle commencing LOL
 
Jun 7, 2012 11:51 PM

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Well, it seems like me wish is going to come true and the good guys will do some serious asskicking. 4/5, it sure went by fast and ended just at the right time.
 
Jun 8, 2012 1:06 AM

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This is such a disappointing episode. Seriously? War God Mode? lol
 
Jun 8, 2012 1:50 AM

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So her hair was a DBZ reference, shalugan no shana was what first popped into my mind actually

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Jun 8, 2012 2:21 AM

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Thalandor46 said:
I alluded to it last week, but I think I understand it better after this episode. Unzen is a really bad villain. He's evil for the sake of being evil, and hates humans cause they're bad. His overly weak logic only brings me to roll my eyes even more at everything he does.


He is the polar opposite of Medaka, who is exactly what you described. If one were to rewrite this like so...

Medaka is a really bad heroine. She's good for the sake of being good, and loves humans cause they're good. Her overly weak logic only brings me to roll my eyes even more at everything she does.

...it works quite well, yeah?
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Jun 8, 2012 2:31 AM

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But she's written that way intentionally. That's her role in things.
 
Jun 8, 2012 4:06 AM

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Everything is alright but....why did her hair colour change???& what about the school?How is it going to cover the damage they caused.Oh,I forgot its Medaka chan so I guess its normal.Completely normal,.
 
Jun 8, 2012 5:48 AM

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This is such a disappointing episode. Seriously? War God Mode? lol

Wow, are you going to hate the rest of the series ;) No, really, it goes all "supernatural" combat from here. It's great for me though, so maybe you should check out the manga and see for yourself.

What surprised me in this episode was the hair color changing to pink. Wasn't it black in the manga? I thought the hair being BLACK (KURO) in the War GOD (KAMI) Mode was pretty important or at least meaningful...?

Oh well, it looks impressive, so it doesn't bother me that much. The rug thing too, kinda silly, but works, I guess. If they went with the manga version they wouldn't be able to show the Student Council room collapsing in an epic way.

And yeah, the best part was Unzen flying through the buiding and the BGM was pretty good.
 
Jun 8, 2012 7:31 AM

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Finally two good episodes/
 
Jun 8, 2012 8:54 AM
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He is the polar opposite of Medaka, who is exactly what you described. If one were to rewrite this like so...

Medaka is a really bad heroine. She's good for the sake of being good, and loves humans cause they're good. Her overly weak logic only brings me to roll my eyes even more at everything she does.

...it works quite well, yeah?


Admittedly, I hadn't thought that highly of Medaka for the significant majority of the series. However, her personality has enough quirks and twists to keep her reasonably unpredictable, which for the purposes of a comedy series is plenty. Unzen, on the other hand, has been so straightforward and dull since he's been introduced, which adds nothing of value to a comedy series, nor does it really bring any excitement towards whatever genre the show is apparently shifting to.

Like I said before, Unzen just doesn't feel like he fits in the universe. I dunno, maybe I'm just stuck on Medaka Box being a comedy. There's certainly a chance that he'll grow on me, but as it stands, I just don't enjoy his character.
 
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Thalandor46 said:
NavyCherub said:
He is the polar opposite of Medaka, who is exactly what you described. If one were to rewrite this like so...

Medaka is a really bad heroine. She's good for the sake of being good, and loves humans cause they're good. Her overly weak logic only brings me to roll my eyes even more at everything she does.

...it works quite well, yeah?


Admittedly, I hadn't thought that highly of Medaka for the significant majority of the series. However, her personality has enough quirks and twists to keep her reasonably unpredictable, which for the purposes of a comedy series is plenty. Unzen, on the other hand, has been so straightforward and dull since he's been introduced, which adds nothing of value to a comedy series, nor does it really bring any excitement towards whatever genre the show is apparently shifting to.

Like I said before, Unzen just doesn't feel like he fits in the universe. I dunno, maybe I'm just stuck on Medaka Box being a comedy. There's certainly a chance that he'll grow on me, but as it stands, I just don't enjoy his character.


Hahaha you think Unzen's bad? Two Words. Kumagawa Misogi.
 
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Thalandor46 said:
NavyCherub said:
He is the polar opposite of Medaka, who is exactly what you described. If one were to rewrite this like so...

Medaka is a really bad heroine. She's good for the sake of being good, and loves humans cause they're good. Her overly weak logic only brings me to roll my eyes even more at everything she does.

...it works quite well, yeah?


Admittedly, I hadn't thought that highly of Medaka for the significant majority of the series. However, her personality has enough quirks and twists to keep her reasonably unpredictable, which for the purposes of a comedy series is plenty. Unzen, on the other hand, has been so straightforward and dull since he's been introduced, which adds nothing of value to a comedy series, nor does it really bring any excitement towards whatever genre the show is apparently shifting to.

Like I said before, Unzen just doesn't feel like he fits in the universe. I dunno, maybe I'm just stuck on Medaka Box being a comedy. There's certainly a chance that he'll grow on me, but as it stands, I just don't enjoy his character.


Hahaha you think Unzen's bad? Two Words. Kumagawa Misogi.


Kumagawa is fucking awesome, Unzen isn't.
 
Jun 8, 2012 12:07 PM

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What surprised me in this episode was the hair color changing to pink. Wasn't it black in the manga? I thought the hair being BLACK (KURO) in the War GOD (KAMI) Mode was pretty important or at least meaningful...?


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Jun 8, 2012 12:53 PM

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So much fun. Go go go! Poor Unzen.
 
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this has just inspired me to read the manga

 
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Maddo_scientisto said:
Darklight0303 said:
Thalandor46 said:
NavyCherub said:
He is the polar opposite of Medaka, who is exactly what you described. If one were to rewrite this like so...

Medaka is a really bad heroine. She's good for the sake of being good, and loves humans cause they're good. Her overly weak logic only brings me to roll my eyes even more at everything she does.

...it works quite well, yeah?


Admittedly, I hadn't thought that highly of Medaka for the significant majority of the series. However, her personality has enough quirks and twists to keep her reasonably unpredictable, which for the purposes of a comedy series is plenty. Unzen, on the other hand, has been so straightforward and dull since he's been introduced, which adds nothing of value to a comedy series, nor does it really bring any excitement towards whatever genre the show is apparently shifting to.

Like I said before, Unzen just doesn't feel like he fits in the universe. I dunno, maybe I'm just stuck on Medaka Box being a comedy. There's certainly a chance that he'll grow on me, but as it stands, I just don't enjoy his character.


Hahaha you think Unzen's bad? Two Words. Kumagawa Misogi.


Kumagawa is fucking awesome, Unzen isn't.


Well can't argue there XD
 
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Isn't Medaka's hair suppose to turn light purple when she goes into Perses Mode? At least, that's what happens in the manga. Truthfully, I am quite mad that her hair turns pink... :(
 
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Isn't Medaka's hair suppose to turn light purple when she goes into Perses Mode? At least, that's what happens in the manga. Truthfully, I am quite mad that her hair turns pink... :(


That's what I thought too but there hasn't been one official artwork of Medaka in perses mode in color. In the manga it pass from gray to a lighter gray so it's not really possible to say =/.
 
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Epic episode.

One thing really annoys me though. Even if the Disciplinary Committee doens't have to adhere to teachers or any authority so they can carry out justice without bias, it still makes no sense that they can destroy buildings in the school or kill students in the name of "justice". There has to be a line somewhere.

Also, Unzen is only like 10 years old. He knows nothing about life and hearing him preach his philosophy is really annoying.
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again, no one died in the whole series so far.

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Onii said:
Dropped.


I would do the same if I wouldn't be interested in the ever mentioned genre-shift, but I'm not convienced so far, since I can't help but feel that the last two episodes felt extremely disjointed and out of place compared to the rest of the series. That is fairly much given on my end how the creator HAD to change genres in order to keep the manga alive, but at this point it feels like the creator read a few shounen mangas, and decided to do the same kind of story, hoping that'l make the series successful.


Nisio Isin's two previous animated works: bake/nisemonogatari, and Katanagatari

both involves comedy/supernatural/fighting.
are you expecting anything different? If anything Medaka's crazy abilities in the early episodes are huge hints of what might happen. Pay attention to the dialogues between her and Unzen, it's the key to both character's developments.
 
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Epic episode.

One thing really annoys me though. Even if the Disciplinary Committee doens't have to adhere to teachers or any authority so they can carry out justice without bias, it still makes no sense that they can destroy buildings in the school or kill students in the name of "justice". There has to be a line somewhere.

Also, Unzen is only like 10 years old. He knows nothing about life and hearing him preach his philosophy is really annoying.


They do not have that kind of authority, Unzen even asked the rest of the disciplinary committee to go back home and think about an alibi since he was going to go overboard.
Unzen's action are extreme and are indeed illegal, if it was in another school it wouldn't pass.

This school... is not a normal school and I guess that it would solve many problem if people thought about it as a closed area, a rat cage with people influent enough to make the worst attrocity that could happen here not leave the schoolground.

Also about Unzen being 10, very slight spoiler
 
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Darklight0303 said:

Actually it was intended all along. It's revealed in the second ark. The Flask Plan. So really your analysis so far is completely flawed


It is? Apparently I missed something when I thought Nisio didn't even thought about implementing the shounen genre when the manga started, and he switched over because the sales were low. But even so, this doesn't change my impression that the execution of the genre change was lackluster, because just by watching the anime version, it seemed exactly like he came up with the shounen elements later on.

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Nisio Isin's two previous animated works: bake/nisemonogatari, and Katanagatari. Both involves comedy/supernatural/fighting. Are you expecting anything different?


I've only seen Bake/Nise yet, but I did expected something different from this series. I wouldn't even believe that Bake/Nise, and Medaka Box were created by the same person if I wouldn't look it up here on MAL, because judging only from the anime version, the overall quality of the presentation feels that much different for me. Granted, I do like Nisio's style of characters and storytelling in Bake (Nise was a letdown), but this series has nothing sort of Nisio in it, and maybe that's the thing I dislike the most in this series. Because without it, the series just doesn't appeal to me, from the uninteresting characters and the unappealing story to the random mishmash of ideas thrown in to keep up the "tension". Sure, having a genre change in a show is good in some cases, but only when it's so good that it doesn't seem like a random attempt on the creator's part to make his show appealing after a lackluster kickoff, ie. he is able to connect the genres in a way that the change in the second half is effective/radical, but it still doesn't gives off a vibe that the creator just pulled it out of his ass because the manga didn't do that well. And that's the case here, I rolled my eyes watching episode 9 and 10 countless times, just because how things were disjointed and uninspired. The crowning moment was Medaka's lame War God Mode, even though it was good seeing her Falcon Punching Unzen's you-know-what, given how irritating Unzen is.

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If anything Medaka's crazy abilities in the early episodes are huge hints of what might happen.


And that's exactly where I'm coming from: the connection between of the first and the second genres is so weakly established that her previous antics doesn't even seem like any indicators for future events even in retrospect, partially because the plot pampered Medaka so much it sucked the appeal out of her uniqeness when it comes to abilities. Now I DO agree that the show has to make her powers apparent in one way or another in the beginning, but it doesn't work that very well when basically every episode in the first genre is just praising Medaka's perfection with such detail it becomes tiresome after two episodes, and makes future developments much less effective. And not just her character development, but the overall appeal of her character is lacking because of the overuse of "perfection". It's like Nisio was like "See? See? She's perfect, so be suprised when it turns out she's not perfect, okay?".

It is true that was hinted at the very beginning that class 13 is the "home" for the freaks of the school, but the way the show was executed in the first eight episodes, I can't help but suspect that the whole class 13 concept was not like this when Nisio started the manga, but he changed things around later on so he could implement the shounen elements in one way or another.


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Pay attention to the dialogues between her and Unzen, it's the key to both character's developments.


Again, I would care about Medaka's character development (let me guess: deep down she's in fact a despotic ruler due to some childhood trauma) if the anime wouldn't tried to show it down that Medaka is in fact just about the most perfect creation of the universe. You know, less is more sometimes.
 
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Dodgers20 said:

Again, I would care about Medaka's character development if the anime wouldn't tried to show it down that Medaka is in fact just about the most perfect creation of the universe. You know, less is more sometimes.



you said so yourself already, Medaka is not perfect. Even with her 98% physical attributes, there's always something wrong with her character. Whether it's her utmost belief that everyone is good, or her inability to acknowledge the impact of her aura, or the tendency to take the burden on herself, those seemingly saint-like traits is actually her biggest flaws. The dialogue between her and Unzen showed exactly what it is.

Again, maybe Nisio didn't originally intended for it to go in this direction, but the transition is believable in hindsight since they explained a lot of the questions in the first few chapters. Besides, didn't you say that Medaka is too perfect? so why hate a story when she is no longer portrayed as "that perfect student president"?

Maybe it's the flaw of the way the anime version presented her, but it's clear in the manga that something is not right in the early chapters.

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(let me guess: deep down she's in fact a despotic ruler due to some childhood trauma).

Nisio Isin actually got a very funny twist to that. But that's way down the track.
 
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@dodgers20

well your dissatisfaction with medaka's "perfection" is part of the plot through some of the students/characters views.

also, as said by medaka in the ep, she's only doing what she believes is right, even if it involves punching a kid through a building or reforming people as she sees fit

i'd also say there's a good amount of foreshadowing, subtle as it may be, from hitoyoshi's comment to kouki in the judo room when he is introduced about harassing underclassmen. As to who kouki was associated with in middle school and who he harassed that goes past class 13, and then there is shiranui's conflict with medaka
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War God Mode o_O
 
Jun 9, 2012 10:24 AM
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A pissed off Medaka makes sarroush go gaga! Gimme more!

The anime is muuuuuch better like this. I didn't give a f*ck to it before. Might actually read the manga now.
 
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this is what ive been waiting for, and i hear it gets so much better too. it sucks that many impatient may have already written this show off completely, hopefully dvd/bd sales will be good enough to justify more past the next season
 
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jeroz said:
again, no one died in the whole series so far.

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Onii said:
Dropped.


I would do the same if I wouldn't be interested in the ever mentioned genre-shift, but I'm not convienced so far, since I can't help but feel that the last two episodes felt extremely disjointed and out of place compared to the rest of the series. That is fairly much given on my end how the creator HAD to change genres in order to keep the manga alive, but at this point it feels like the creator read a few shounen mangas, and decided to do the same kind of story, hoping that'l make the series successful.


Nisio Isin's two previous animated works: bake/nisemonogatari, and Katanagatari

both involves comedy/supernatural/fighting.
are you expecting anything different? If anything Medaka's crazy abilities in the early episodes are huge hints of what might happen. Pay attention to the dialogues between her and Unzen, it's the key to both character's developments.


This is almost nothing like Bake/Nise though (so far anyway).
 
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The complete shift in genre for this series was totally unexpected. It went from a fun, comedy style anime to a Shounen anime with ridiculous powers.

Where are all these powers coming from? It wasn't hinted early in the series. I also can't believe a school would let some punk kid do whatever he wants. Even going as far as saying he'd kill Medaka. That's just silly.

Will take awhile for me to get used to this change. Will most likely read the manga once this series finishes.
 
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The complete shift in genre for this series was totally unexpected. It went from a fun, comedy style anime to a Shounen anime with ridiculous powers.

Where are all these powers coming from? It wasn't hinted early in the series. I also can't believe a school would let some punk kid do whatever he wants. Even going as far as saying he'd kill Medaka. That's just silly.

Will take awhile for me to get used to this change. Will most likely read the manga once this series finishes.


The thing is that you took all the feat medaka did since the start as an "exageration" because it was obviously a "comedy". This now come back to hit you in the face because everything Medaka did since day 1 was no exageration.

I'll tell you straight, both Unzen and Medaka are monsters. If Unzen is getting owned now it's just because Medaka is on a much higher scale than him but it doesn't change that he is also a being that can do incredible feat.

Also last thing, this school is not normal.
 
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I'm still trying to figure out in what kind of weird ass world they live in and i'm trying to figure out the logic here... Aah forget it. Im going to read the manga. Only two eps left and I don't think they'll make a s2.


Feeling the same. What is going on here? Super transformations? Estoy confudido.
 
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This show is making me crazy!

I really want to read the manga to know how the story continues but first I want to be 100% sure that there will not be a second season.
 
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Finally Medaka War Mode, which we had a glimpse of in the end of OP, appears. Can't wait to see Medaka giving a beating to Unzen at full power. Though I think I would have preferred Shiranui kicking Unzen's ass. That would have been more fun.
And slowly, you come to realize... It's all as it should be...
 
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