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Oct 17, 2012 11:41 AM

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The threesome exists.

ew.

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Oct 17, 2012 12:51 PM
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sagdashin said:
namelessregret said:
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The threesome exists.

ew.

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I do not comprehend.
 
Oct 17, 2012 12:51 PM

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namelessregret said:
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The threesome exists.

ew.

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Gotta love the ctrl button

I do not comprehend.

ctrl button=fast forward in the VN.
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Dec 5, 2012 9:46 AM

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Great episode, good that Rin didn't die and that Berserker got defeated but lol Ilya now also moved in? And lol another bath scene :p The relation between those two seem to be getting to an awkward level but damn his skill is indeed improving lets see what's next!
 
Dec 7, 2012 10:18 AM

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Iilia said:
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I banged my head on the table when Berserker Heracles died so easily... and bang my head again when Ilya showed up in Shirou's bed.

Seriously, WTF!

Just when I started to like Shiroe, but he once again piss me off by saying "I wanna be the defender of Justice." Seriously dude... grow up... you're too old for that shit.
My thoughts exactly.

Just when I thought I had gotten rid of Ilya, she shows up at his house of all places. HIS HOUSE. She has a fucking castle, for crying out loud, why is she there? No one give me any rubbish explanations, either, because raging about this obnoxious loli is just going to happen no matter what. She killed Shinji at the very least, who knows who else. Shinji was someone Shirou knew, and he doesn't care about this at all? I hope his idealism caves before this show ends. It just has to. >_>

And all of a sudden Saber is the slightly shy, blushing type. Ooookaaaaay.

Pleaase tell me we can at least kill off Sakura pretty quick here.


Glad I've got people with the same thoughts here!

I think this episode really lack of common sense. No matter how "douchebag" Shinji is, he is Shirou's longest friend (since Junior High), how could he invite that cold-blooded killer brat, Ilya, to stay at his house just like that? I could agree if Shirou forgive her for trying to kill him, Saber, and Rin, but Ilya already killed Shinji!
Also, Shinji is Sakura's older brother, for God's sake! Why there is no single talk about his dead? Not even from Sakura's mouth.. WTF?!
 
Dec 7, 2012 10:24 AM

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My thoughts exactly.

Just when I thought I had gotten rid of Ilya, she shows up at his house of all places. HIS HOUSE. She has a fucking castle, for crying out loud, why is she there? No one give me any rubbish explanations, either, because raging about this obnoxious loli is just going to happen no matter what. She killed Shinji at the very least, who knows who else. Shinji was someone Shirou knew, and he doesn't care about this at all? I hope his idealism caves before this show ends. It just has to. >_>

And all of a sudden Saber is the slightly shy, blushing type. Ooookaaaaay.

Pleaase tell me we can at least kill off Sakura pretty quick here.


Glad I've got people with the same thoughts here!

I think this episode really lack of common sense. No matter how "douchebag" Shinji is, he is Shirou's longest friend (since Junior High), how could he invite that cold-blooded killer brat, Ilya, to stay at his house just like that? I could agree if Shirou forgive her for trying to kill him, Saber, and Rin, but Ilya already killed Shinji!
Also, Shinji is Sakura's older brother, for God's sake! Why there is no single talk about his dead? Not even from Sakura's mouth.. WTF?!


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Dec 7, 2012 10:36 AM

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Ddustz said:
Iilia said:
AirStyles said:
I banged my head on the table when Berserker Heracles died so easily... and bang my head again when Ilya showed up in Shirou's bed.

Seriously, WTF!

Just when I started to like Shiroe, but he once again piss me off by saying "I wanna be the defender of Justice." Seriously dude... grow up... you're too old for that shit.
My thoughts exactly.

Just when I thought I had gotten rid of Ilya, she shows up at his house of all places. HIS HOUSE. She has a fucking castle, for crying out loud, why is she there? No one give me any rubbish explanations, either, because raging about this obnoxious loli is just going to happen no matter what. She killed Shinji at the very least, who knows who else. Shinji was someone Shirou knew, and he doesn't care about this at all? I hope his idealism caves before this show ends. It just has to. >_>

And all of a sudden Saber is the slightly shy, blushing type. Ooookaaaaay.

Pleaase tell me we can at least kill off Sakura pretty quick here.


Glad I've got people with the same thoughts here!

I think this episode really lack of common sense. No matter how "douchebag" Shinji is, he is Shirou's longest friend (since Junior High), how could he invite that cold-blooded killer brat, Ilya, to stay at his house just like that? I could agree if Shirou forgive her for trying to kill him, Saber, and Rin, but Ilya already killed Shinji!
Also, Shinji is Sakura's older brother, for God's sake! Why there is no single talk about his dead? Not even from Sakura's mouth.. WTF?!


This is why it hurts the anime adaptation to not really get inside Shirou's head all that much. By this point in the VN it's pretty much a given he would do something like this as he had, by this point, developed a kind of fondness for Ilya and realized she was raised in an environment that, well, distorted her views on death and killing. Basically, it's Shirou's hero complex at work. Shirou doesn't so much run on our views of "common sense" as he does his own views.

As far as Shinji. Yeah...what sagdashin said.
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Dec 7, 2012 10:53 AM

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Haha, didn't expect someone would answer, moreover this fast.. :D

Eh, rape? Did I missed something? That's only in the VN, right?

For Ilya case, well, I think that's quite nice explanation. I get it. Thanks :D
 
Jan 26, 2013 2:49 PM
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Where is the seventh master? There should be four left, we know assassin, saber, lancer. But the master of assassin said there is only lancer and saber left. Does that mean the remaining master is an ally to Assassin's master, to that witch?

It was obvious that they were going to choose Sakura.

Also, two people holding a greatsword and giving a finish-blow was ridiculous, seriously; i don't even mention killing somebody six times with a single blow...
 
Feb 22, 2013 1:16 AM

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And the harem grows...and Saber is falling for himl. Now she's embarrassed for Shirou to see her in the bath unlike last time. Now we move on and Sakura is now in danger, oh joy.
 
Mar 5, 2013 7:02 AM

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Shirou is really an idiot to take in his enemies like that.

 
Apr 28, 2013 3:24 AM

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Great episode.

New opening rocks aswell.
 
Jun 13, 2013 11:14 AM

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yeah nice fight! I like this duo (saber and shirou) when trying to kill berserk :3 so cool bro XD

and finally ilya is live in shirou house.. and she get more calmer now XD
 
Aug 31, 2013 3:56 PM

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Hmm, Sakura being targeted.. again they are straying from Fate route?

Anyway, this ep was good, showing Saber's jealousy and leaving some spot for calm aftermath before another battle kicks on. Whole band is finally together living in one house.
 
Sep 17, 2013 9:53 PM

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LOL What is this, a harem anime? Well, it is based off of a visual novel, but still...
Oh no, Sakura is in trouble!
And it seems Saber is jealous of the other girls O__O

BTW, Rin is hot, I just really needed to let that out.
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May 16, 2014 8:53 PM
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kinda expected saber to be a bit more jelous of other girls and more shy about touching and showing her body after her and shirou did the dragon.Was pretty funny.I understand why shirou brought the little kid in cause well she just a child and a kinda messed up in the head one at that but can still come off as kind.So why would you leave someone like that by themselves wouldint you wanna help. It was also cool to see shirous new powers to make stuff out of thing air.Kinda eh how beserker died 7 times from 1 hit how does that happen.
 
Jul 7, 2014 6:24 PM

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Did he really give shelter to Iliya after all she did? The bitch killed Archer if nothing else, ffs.


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When Saber was on the bath and she said her body wasn't like Rin's, I thought she had a d*ck, LOL
lololo xD
 
Jul 8, 2014 12:30 AM

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I think you're a bit biased about Ilya. She didn't involve any innocent people unlike Shinji for instance. In Shirou's eyes, she's a harmless little girl after her Servant was defeated. And Archer could have killed her if he had tried, but he didn't want to harm her at all. He didn't call her Illyasviel, he called her Ilya (that's a hint that he knew her).
 
Jul 9, 2014 5:36 PM

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Doesn't make me feel any better about Archer's death. If it was me, I wouldn't give shelter to the girl which killed my friend's servant.
 
Jul 28, 2014 4:35 PM

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No one else absolutely adored Ilyasveil? Really? I'm now alone.

Kill me.

It's okay, I'll go to heaven with Iri and half of my other favorite characters ;---;
 
Oct 4, 2014 1:43 PM
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Uhm ok feels like there should be 2 episodes worth if stuff between last episode and this one.

Shiro fighting Berserker is bullshit.

Them being that easy with Illya is bullshit. Speaking of which
 
Oct 5, 2014 9:08 AM

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Uhm ok feels like there should be 2 episodes worth if stuff between last episode and this one.

Shiro fighting Berserker is bullshit.

Them being that easy with Illya is bullshit. Speaking of which


It wasn't Shirou fighting Berserker, it was Caliburn.

 
Feb 22, 2015 11:30 AM

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Worst epsiode so far. Yeah kill all the great characters off and let that dumb loli bitch live, seriously? Worst possible outcome achived, great job. I'll drop my ratings for this show now ~.~ Shirou you moron.
 
Mar 3, 2015 5:44 PM

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1 sword strike kills berserker 7 times? get real. Disappointing how Ilya (Eizenbern) and Shinji (Matou), 2 of the 3 main families have already lost their Servants...

And seriously, Shirou already used his 2nd Command Spell to stop Saber from using Excalibur.

Saber is jealous of Ilya cuddling with Shirou; and
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Mar 3, 2015 6:14 PM

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m-i-c-h-a-e-l said:
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Spoiler that last sentence. Fate/Zero is a prequel written after F/SN and that reveal isn't made until late in F/SN's third route.
 
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1 sword strike kills berserker 7 times? get real. Disappointing how Ilya (Eizenbern) and Shinji (Matou), 2 of the 3 main families have already lost their Servants...

And seriously, Shirou already used his 2nd Command Spell to stop Saber from using Excalibur.

Saber is jealous of Ilya cuddling with Shirou; and still no one realizes ..


Yes, that is how Caliburn's attack works. Excalibur would take out around 3 since it's beam last's less time.

Had he not used it, Saber, and everyone else, would be dead.

As for the last bit - Fucking hell spoilers. You are not supposed to even know that yet.
 
Apr 25, 2015 12:37 PM
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I want to see an entire episode of Archer and Lancer going at it!!
 
Apr 25, 2015 1:04 PM

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I want to see an entire episode of Archer and Lancer going at it!!
Watch UBW next week.
 
Jul 23, 2015 5:30 PM
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After all this BRAT has done, the creators seriously expect me to forget all that and I should start to like her?? HAHAHA nice idea but screw you.
 
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The Legendary Holy Sword , Excalibur !! Imagination on its Strongest Form !!
Some Saber moments ~ !! MC is having a harem ~ .
VERY GREAT EPISODE .
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How Shirou and Mother Saber defeated Berserker was awesome. They took his seven remaining lives in one blow!

I kind of felt sorry for Lolisviel.

She was awfully cute in the rest of the episode. And Mother Saber was jealous.

Now the enemy sets their sights on Sakura. Shit is about to go down.
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May 6, 2017 3:01 PM

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I'm surprised nobody noticed that all of Sabers subjects as king arthur refer to her as a he.
 
Jul 11, 2017 3:57 AM

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Yeah, Shirô catched his third girl!!

The episode wouldn't have seemed so bad if post-sex King Arthur didn't act as some desperately in love little girl. Even if she didn't age physically as stated before, she should know better than that thanks to her mental age.

2/5 And now, we learn that you can simply grab the Grail by calling it into a magicians family heir... This sounds a lot easier than winning a stupid Battle Royale.
 
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So....King Arthur was a chick..?

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May 27, 2018 1:11 AM

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and the plot holes and conveniences begin...
the 'killing berserker seven times with one blow" thing was ridiculous. and the math is still wrong. if archer killed him five times and rin one, with this, he died 13 times, not twelve.

saber is acting so out of character it's getting on my nerves. the harem is not this strong on ubw either, which makes the anime a lot easier to swallow. i don't think the pairing saber x shirou should exist at all. and wtf with all the blushing and the taking it easy because 'we might touch each other', saber? [don't even get me started on her being a 14 year old girl when we all know what happens on the VN. gross.]

yes, the adaptation might be atrocious, but the source material is far from being that good too.
 
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What is going on?!



I don't like where this is going at all.
 
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So they defeated Berserker in one blow?! lul

After that, we had more slice of life and fanservice, Shirou got the loli to his harem mansion and so on. Their teacher with the glasses is one of the masters, I think, and they will go after Sakura, so things are getting interesting.
 
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What's wrong with Saber? I do not remember her being like that on Fate/Zero.
 
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Oh wow Berserker really can talk.

Ok I hope there will be some revelation about Shiro's true personality. He maybe try to act as all righteous and a wannabe justice defender, but his true personality is a pervert I guess. Like, he could just send Illyasviel back to her home, why bother to bring her to his home, lol. I'm just surprised at how fast Shirou's idiocy has influenced Saber and Rin to the extent they didn't question that.

It's funny how the king has been reduced to a servant and right now is washing a dish. lol

Shirou might as well create money with his ability. Or maybe the Holy Grail.

That glasses teacher is the final boss I guess.

My guess is Lancer's master is someone that Shirou know.
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Ok I hope there will be some revelation about Shiro's true personality. He maybe try to act as all righteous and a wannabe justice defender, but his true personality is a pervert I guess. Like, he could just send Illyasviel back to her home, why bother to bring her to his home, lol. I'm just surprised at how fast Shirou's idiocy has influenced Saber and Rin to the extent they didn't question that.

normally, masters who have lost their servants should be going into the church for protection until the war is over. even if a master doesn't have their servant with them anymore, they might still be targeted by other masters because there is a chance that they could make a pact with a servant who has lost their master, Rin mentioned that in this episode

if Illya goes back to her castle, she might be attacked and killed by another master
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I'm just surprised at how fast Shirou's idiocy has influenced Saber and Rin to the extent they didn't question that.

Saber kept objecting to keeping Illya in the house, but she's Shirou's servant so she gave up in the end

Rin realized that keeping Illya with them might be a smart move, you'll find out why later
 
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Kish0 said:
Ok I hope there will be some revelation about Shiro's true personality. He maybe try to act as all righteous and a wannabe justice defender, but his true personality is a pervert I guess. Like, he could just send Illyasviel back to her home, why bother to bring her to his home, lol. I'm just surprised at how fast Shirou's idiocy has influenced Saber and Rin to the extent they didn't question that.

normally, masters who have lost their servants should be going into the church for protection until the war is over. even if a master doesn't have their servant with them anymore, they might still be targeted by other masters because there is a chance that they could make a pact with a servant who has lost their master, Rin mentioned that in this episode

if Illya goes back to her castle, she might be attacked and killed by another master


Ok, then why Shirou didn't just send her to the church ? Shirou's reason for keeping her are no more than kindness although I'm guessing there's some ulterior motive. Only Rin realized there is another benefit of keeping her but I doubt Shirou realized that, he's too dumb anyway.
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Kish0 said:
Shayon said:

normally, masters who have lost their servants should be going into the church for protection until the war is over. even if a master doesn't have their servant with them anymore, they might still be targeted by other masters because there is a chance that they could make a pact with a servant who has lost their master, Rin mentioned that in this episode

if Illya goes back to her castle, she might be attacked and killed by another master


Ok, then why Shirou didn't just send her to the church ? Shirou's reason for keeping her are no more than kindness

pretty much, he's simply too good natured and views her as a child

also, Shirou dislikes Kirei so he probably doesn't want Illya to be around him either
 
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he's too dumb anyway.

Question.

If the viewer didnt realize that reason does that make them too dumb as well?
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he's too dumb anyway.

Question.

If the viewer didnt realize that reason does that make them too dumb as well?


No, cause the viewer just come to watch and enjoy.
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Kish0 said:
ssjokg said:

Question.

If the viewer didnt realize that reason does that make them too dumb as well?


No, cause the viewer just come to watch and enjoy.


Kish0 said:
ssjokg said:

Question.

If the viewer didnt realize that reason does that make them too dumb as well?


No, cause the viewer just come to watch and enjoy.


So you admit that you dont even try to think.Glad to know.
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ssjokg said:
Kish0 said:


No, cause the viewer just come to watch and enjoy.


Kish0 said:


No, cause the viewer just come to watch and enjoy.


So you admit that you dont even try to think.Glad to know.


Unfortunately im talking about viewer, not me.
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So you admit that you dont even try to think.Glad to know.


Unfortunately im talking about viewer, not me.

And you are the viewer.
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ssjokg said:
Kish0 said:
he's too dumb anyway.

Question.

If the viewer didnt realize that reason does that make them too dumb as well?

to be fair, i can't blame anyone for thinking shirou is just a dumbass in this

deen shirou has a way of getting on my nerves too
 
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Shayon said:
ssjokg said:

Question.

If the viewer didnt realize that reason does that make them too dumb as well?

to be fair, i can't blame anyone for thinking shirou is just a dumbass in this

deen shirou has a way of getting on my nerves too


The rest of the characters arent any better so I dont see why Shirou specifically is a dumbass, especially for stuff that even the viewer cant think about.

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ssjokg said:
Shayon said:

to be fair, i can't blame anyone for thinking shirou is just a dumbass in this

deen shirou has a way of getting on my nerves too


The rest of the characters arent any better so I dont see why Shirou specifically is a dumbass, especially for stuff that even the viewer cant think about.


the anime's failure to portray his character makes him seem like a naive dumbass and nothing more. not talking about this issue with Illya specifically, but just in general. viewers are likely to already perceive him as a dumbass coming into this episode

the other characters fare better than him because they don't talk about being a hero of justice and all that
 
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