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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Ep 4 aired with a total shoujo manga vibe and Okada classic shoujo angst. We're introduced the last 2 member of AKB0048 trainees, Mimori and Kanata, Sonata's sister, who joined the group before the other girls so they're the seniors Kanata's angst provide the drama for this episode. So apparently the entertainment ban, DES, is serious.....:P What I like is the "Cursed Generation" It make things more realistic because in the real AKB, many girls work hard but they don't stand out enough to get notice and remain unpopular. Slower pace episode that changed up from the faster pace couple last eps. It give more info on AKB48/AKB0048. Sonata is adorable~~~~ :D ----------------------------------- Songs played during the ep -  Lemon no toshigoro  Heavy Rotation One of AKB48's most famous song, top karaoke choice for 45 weeks in a row. FYI, despite what people/westerners think about about the "controversial video", it actually gathered the more fangirls than other releases to the AKB48 fandom and there wasn't a big deal made about it, unlike their other Beginner video that was banned due to "violence" contents so keep an open mind because the female producer of the video was aiming to attract both female and male fans The truth behind Heavy Rotation  Shonichi |
akbfanMay 21, 2012 11:41 AM
| I knew it from the beginner entertaiment ban was for real, but what I don't get it that they take it that seriously. Last episode I wonder were the other 2 under trainers. You are not the only one that think Sonata is adorable, this is just the beginning of the harsh training. :) Kanada is there for revenge, of course there is no way to get promote to regular member, thought 2 of us there were too short. Chieri know that Nagisa got idol potential in her. I can't wait for the next episode |
BlackbirdMay 20, 2012 8:17 PM
Nothing ventured, nothing gained (Girls und Panzer der Film ) / from Nishizumi Miho |
| > Anyway, I don't remember Chieri saying that Nagisa's got potential. Care to point out when she said that? She never said it directly to Nagisa but she was bothered after finfding that Kirara shines than it senses "idol aura'. He had this reaction on Nagisa but not on Chiery herself yet. And you probably just don't see the hints. Most of scenes in last 2 eps has this feeling that Chiery envies Nagisa because her better fitting to became an idol. |
Nachtwandler_21May 21, 2012 5:05 AM
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| You probably right with that, when Nagisa and Chieri is together both of them can shine, maybe kirara felt something about Chieri. So far we only seen the kirara shining when they were together, with this little hint we won't know for sure. First time was when there watching AKB for the first time, 2nd was with when they were on they way on the audition. When the serie progness Nagisa & Chieri will be the center, that's predictable for sure. The story progness not too slow or not too fast, so it's great but I can't wait for the next episode. |
Nothing ventured, nothing gained (Girls und Panzer der Film ) / from Nishizumi Miho |
| I really liked the animation for the city. I think it looks pretty cool. |
| Gawd that episode went by fast. I couldn't believe it when the ED began. Over already? :( Now for the week-wait cycle to begin anew. Felt sorry for Kanata and Mimori in the beginning. They sure as hell weren't bad at all. Nagisa dream WOOOH NAGISA. WTF's up with the dance instructor? Can anyone tell if it's supposed to be a dude or a chick? It looks like a chick but sounds like a dude. I like how Chieri's mere presence tends to stir things up (in a bad way). I'm looking forward to finding out more about her. MORE FORESHADOWING MOMENTS. (Also, I'm sure Sonata's "determination" isn't the real reason the director decided to let her stay.) I like Kanata's (and Sonata's) back story, although I would've liked it better had they not introduced Kanata AND revealed her back story in the same episode. It would've left something to build toward and look forward to. Oh well. At least she still has some development to do. I just liked the drama in general this episode. More characters getting fleshed out is also a major plus. Keep it up. |
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| @1idd0kun I agree with this. But you argued with phrase "Chieri know that Nagisa got idol potential in her." so I just put arguments that Chiyori really thinks that Nagisa is more fitting to become an idol. |
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Great episode. I'm glad Sonata and her sis made up in the end. Some drama in the episode, about Kanata's background, fathers death. |
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| ok I started to accept that horrible CGI as part of climate of the series so it's fine now still bit of problems with their voices - is it only me or they sound a bit older than they should? but whatever drama is still a bit forced here - but it gets better plus added interaction of characters it may work in the future if they don't make it shallow or go into traditional - I have crisis so I quit situation (Chieri looks like candidate for it). it's getting better that's positive |
Dalek-baka said: still bit of problems with their voices - is it only me or they sound a bit older than they should? Well, most of the AKB girls who voiced the main characters(trainess) are not Voice actors so that's understandable when comparing to the voice actors that does the voices for the AKB0048 members. |
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| More evidence that Chieri's going to cause some problems. I never thought of that angle of the kirara only shining because of their teamwork, but looking back that actually seems pretty likely. Loved the episode, and this is my favorite show of the season for sure ~ Them both being center does seem pretty likely as well. And, I always knew DES was serious. It was pretty obvious I'd say. I was confused why people thought that they weren't serious. Yes, they didn't try and kill the fans, but that's because those 'fans' are taxpayers and assets to the economy. They'd rather take the chance on re-educating them I'm sure. The real problem is the idols who definitely don't agree with things as they are. |
kaimax said: Dalek-baka said: still bit of problems with their voices - is it only me or they sound a bit older than they should? Well, most of the AKB girls who voiced the main characters(trainess) are not Voice actors so that's understandable when comparing to the voice actors that does the voices for the AKB0048 members. Basically this. SOme girls may have a bit of of experience already (the VA for Yuuka and Orine for example), but most haven't. Also, I think not everyone can just whip out a good loli-voice, training and experience or not. On a side note, they are probably closer to "real" kids at that age now, voice-wise. I remember how confused I was when Rin in Usagi Drop didn't sound loli-like... and then found out her VA was a REAL little girl. On a side note, Sonata is still as adorable as a kitten. And half-awake (more like 1/4-awake) Chieri stumbling out of the room.... too cute |
| I want Rambo in a mecha-suit with a laser-chainsaw gun that fires nuclear warheads, fighting the love-child of Predator, Alien, a group of Bangladeshi terrorists, and Satan. (Actually that would be a pretty sick show) - StopDropAndBowl |
| I completely and thoroughly enjoyed this episode of AKB0048. I was a bit skeptical at first, watching something from the Idol genre, especially after Symphogear, but this has proved to be something amazing. I was pleased that the pacing has slowed down since the first three episodes. They were all amazing, but I feel like the last two might have fared better as three episodes. A personal gripe, though. I loved getting a bit more back story and learning the reason Sonata decided to try and join AKB0048. I feel like at this point, with a lot of the action covered, it's going to show a bit more of the industry, which is an approach I am more than happy to see. I am really looking forward to what this show has for the next nine episodes, and I know for a fact it's going to be one of my favorites. |
Wordsmith said: Please don't tell me you're saying it's a problem that they sound like real girls and not lolis, because that'd be completely hilarious and retarded.kaimax said: Basically this. SOme girls may have a bit of of experience already (the VA for Yuuka and Orine for example), but most haven't. Also, I think not everyone can just whip out a good loli-voice, training and experience or not.Dalek-baka said: Well, most of the AKB girls who voiced the main characters(trainess) are not Voice actors so that's understandable when comparing to the voice actors that does the voices for the AKB0048 members.still bit of problems with their voices - is it only me or they sound a bit older than they should? On a side note, they are probably closer to "real" kids at that age now, voice-wise. I remember how confused I was when Rin in Usagi Drop didn't sound loli-like... and then found out her VA was a REAL little girl. Also, WTF would you expect Rin to sound like a loli in the first place? |
KvakondMay 25, 2012 9:07 AM
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| I have a feeling Nagisa's going to be Acchan's successor. I'm not sure why but she seems like the down-to-earth girl next door. I loved this episode, it wasn't as action packed but I loved all the angst in it. Kanata's a really nice character, I hope she and Mimori get to be successors one day too. Sonata is still the most adorable person ever, can't wait for the next episode~ |
| What the hell was wrong with Chieri not accepting the front position and saying she would like to learn from the more experienced members? I don't see a problem in that if she meant Kanata and that was the case for me. The drama is a bit exaggerated but I still enjoy it, Sonata is great. Who is the catalyst, Chieri? I didn't expect her to be that sleepy in the morning, it was funny. I hate Suzuko, I really don't like her and please stop with the terrible CG scenes. |
DraconisMarch said: Please don't tell me you're saying it's a problem that they sound like real girls and not lolis, because that'd be completely hilarious and retarded. Also, WTF would you expect Rin to sound like a loli in the first place? I didn't say it was a problem, I said I was confused because I expected Rin to sound like an anime loli because she IS an anime loli. And then I had to laugh at the whole situation, that a real loli sounds less like a loli than some 20+ yo girl with a high pitched "loli" voice, at least in anime. Oh, and Rin's VA did a good job in making Rin likable and believable. I just had expected her to sound more like Hina from papakiki (and boy, I'm glad she doesn't sound like that) |
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Wordsmith said: Wait. So you're saying that every loli in anime is automatically there to be pedo bait? It's weird to you that there are lolis who aren't?I didn't say it was a problem, I said I was confused because I expected Rin to sound like an anime loli because she IS an anime loli. And then I had to laugh at the whole situation, that a real loli sounds less like a loli than some 20+ yo girl with a high pitched "loli" voice, at least in anime. Oh, and Rin's VA did a good job in making Rin likable and believable. I just had expected her to sound more like Hina from papakiki (and boy, I'm glad she doesn't sound like that) I know a lot of lolis are designed to appeal to pedos (in voice and appearance), but that doesn't mean all young girl characters are designed to be fanservice. FYI, "real lolis" are called "young girls." |
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DraconisMarch said: Wordsmith said: Wait. So you're saying that every loli in anime is automatically there to be pedo bait? It's weird to you that there are lolis who aren't?I didn't say it was a problem, I said I was confused because I expected Rin to sound like an anime loli because she IS an anime loli. And then I had to laugh at the whole situation, that a real loli sounds less like a loli than some 20+ yo girl with a high pitched "loli" voice, at least in anime. Oh, and Rin's VA did a good job in making Rin likable and believable. I just had expected her to sound more like Hina from papakiki (and boy, I'm glad she doesn't sound like that) I know a lot of lolis are designed to appeal to pedos (in voice and appearance), but that doesn't mean all young girl characters are designed to be fanservice. FYI, "real lolis" are called "young girls." Oh, just shut up, will ya? |
| I want Rambo in a mecha-suit with a laser-chainsaw gun that fires nuclear warheads, fighting the love-child of Predator, Alien, a group of Bangladeshi terrorists, and Satan. (Actually that would be a pretty sick show) - StopDropAndBowl |
| Kanata is really determined to avenger her father. I respect that she is protective of her sister, but she needs to let Sonata live her life. Chieri needs to cool her attitude. |
Wordsmith said: Nice response.Oh, just shut up, will ya? |
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| While that comment of Chieri's might seem innocent enough, she was just calling out Kanata for how bad she was doing and shoving it in her face even further. Chieri even admits to pulling a jerk move when she's talking with nagisa. |
1idd0kun said: vampko said: While that comment of Chieri's might seem innocent enough, she was just calling out Kanata for how bad she was doing and shoving it in her face even further. Chieri even admits to pulling a jerk move when she's talking with nagisa. She doesn't admit anything like that. Even the instructor thought that Kanata needed that push. Chieri might have lacked tact, but she did what it needed to be done. I agree. Sometimes jerk moves are needed to get people to realize how silly they're being. It was still a jerk move though. |
| This episode is better than I expected but I still find the whole thing about the Akb48 vs anti entertainment forces is really weird !! |
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| The CG is still a huge put off for me but I have to admit that it managed to portray the difference between the real members and understudies brilliantly in the first part. Kanata's situation wasn't that interesting for me and dialogue very often felt cheesy and unnatural to me. And I really have no idea why people got so offended when Chieri refused to replace Kanata's position when they were practicing. I don't think she said anything that would cause such a reaction. It seemed like a good act of respect towards elders to me. Anyway, the best thing about this show is the ending song. I'm trying to enjoy it overall but the show isn't making that very easy for me. |
| And slowly, you come to realize... It's all as it should be... |
| Chieri is so honest with herself, that she offends the other girls. She has a potential to be the lead, captain, or the center seeing she is labeled as the catalyst of the group. But I'm waiting for Nagisa to actually show her potential and shine as an idol. |
GensoAsch said: Am I the only one who was surprised when the dance instructor talked? O_O" No you weren't, I was surprised too. Nice episode, it got emotional again. I got sick of the CGI once more, it's so ugly. The dance instruction apparently is a male... I'm looking forward to the next episode, I want more stuff to happen. |
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| Does anyone know why we don't see Maeda Atsuko anymore in the show now? |
Blaster-- said: Does anyone know why we don't see Maeda Atsuko anymore in the show now? Well they mentioned that she graduated from the group, so their center position is open yet not one is filling it. So I guess we may not see her. Also from what I'm understanding, none of the AKB48 are actually the Akb we know 2day. I mean they're all girls who join AKB and then decide which person is best for them to become. In this ep they were talking about all the Yuko's and Maeda Atsuko's they had over the years. So does that mean the main characters now will eventually be taking up the Original AKB48 member's names??? |
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| Oh yeah, I understand that, but I thought it was strange to see all the "old" members 4 years later, except for Maeda Atsuko, who is also in the opening (and who has a great charadesign). |
| Eve Taku made some translation notes for people that were confused like me. http://evetaku.com/blog/2012/05/a-discussion-aid/#more-5365 |
| Why, hello there, -not-Alto dance lesson sensei! |
HarunoYume said: Its name is Tranny-sensei. It says so on its hat.Why, hello there, -not-Alto dance lesson sensei! |
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| Aww I felt pretty bad for Kanata and Mimori with them being the only two left from their generation. Reason for Kanata not being a successor is pretty obvious I guess, she really has to enjoy the singing and dancing more and not just focus on revenge. Gotta feel for her story though. Chieri's really gotta loosen up and be more social lol shes being too serious and stuffs. Aw Orine and Yuuka are in a different dorm from Nagisa. |
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ZeroZx said: Aww I felt pretty bad for Kanata and Mimori with them being the only two left from their generation. Reason for Kanata not being a successor is pretty obvious I guess, she really has to enjoy the singing and dancing more and not just focus on revenge. Gotta feel for her story though. Chieri's really gotta loosen up and be more social lol shes being too serious and stuffs. Aw Orine and Yuuka are in a different dorm from Nagisa. But she gets to be with Chieri! |
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