Kumo no Mukou, Yakusoku no Basho Episode 1 Discussion
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I really enjoyed this... Just like every work from Shinkai-san D:
loved the "bye bye tower ~BOOM~" scene in the ending lol
After some thought here is what I believe the plot to be.
In a earlier scene he came to relise something in a dream he had when sleeping at the station. He realized that he loved her but the relization slipped away as he awoke people who dreamed may have experienced this before.
She relizes in her 'dream' that she loves him but like him it slips away, she left with the sad feeling knowing only that she has lost something important.
At the beginning we are shown that he is alone so I take it that the two of them didnt work out. Years later he has come to realize somethings thoughts, feelings and meanings of words.
Based on his other works it seems the the characters never get together and the life lesson is meant to be learnt that if you love someone tell them you love them before you lose them.
*EDIT but his words at the end would seem to hint at a good ending
after everything he did, it's hard to think he would let her go again...
whatever, this just reminds me of The Inception *-*
Now I'm thinking it realy had a sad ending (considering their love and they ending up together as a couple). Hiroki saved her indeed and brought her back from her coma, but now that I was rewatching I have to agree with you. I just noticed something...
When Hiroki goes to the hospital and meets with Sayuri's "projection" from the other universe (or whatever) there is this conversation and he says:
"I won't give up anymore on anything. I'll protect you forever, I promise"
and she answers: "Yes, it's a promise"
But when it comes back to him in the hospital (after the lab cutscene) the narrator in the present (which is telling the whole story) says: "it may have been just a dream, but even so. the places where sayuri brushed my skin remained warm. On that distant day, we made a promise that we couldn't keep"
And this would lead to the first scene when he's an adult already and is sad because he let her go (AGAIN). What could prove it: You can't see the tower anywhere. EVEN SO, I find it hard to believe they didn't end up together. Specially after the last scene.
That's why I want to believe that the Hiroki narrating the story wasn't the one from the "present". The present one would be that in the plane flying back home...that first scene might have been a dream he had while sleeping in the station, and took place somewhen after he moves to Tokyo.
DAMN. 5cm/s was easier to understand.
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This was... confusing. I still cannot really put all the pieces together. But at the same time, I don't feel like it's necessary. This was more of an... experience, if anything and the wonderful music enhanched that a lot.
Some parts did grate me a little, though... the characters were bit weird (the gun scene, the boss becoming a terrorist) and the hospital scene didn't really work for me...
It's hard to explain. But this movie got to me somehow. I will remember this one for a long time.
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Mar 17, 2013 8:13 PM
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Happy ending? That opening scene is after the battle, and he is sad without her.
Isn't she asleep again? Or they aren't together.
You raise an interesting point, though I am not sure if that beginning scene came before or after he wakes her up.
1 year later, haha.
I'm pretty sure it was, he was already old and all.
May 15, 2013 10:16 AM
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I have mixed feelings... I like the art, music, some stuff about the plot, the setting, atmosphere and climaxes...
But it was too slow paced for my liking, the characters were dull and the ending left me unsettled.
However, it definitely inspired me to write something a bit more realistic and easier to understand with similar aspects such as terrorism, sci-fi and war. So yeah I liked the story!
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May 16, 2013 5:09 AM
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Love it. Peaceful and calm, yet complex and filled with emotions, very different harem wish-fulfillment testosterone-poisoned female character focused crap that's infesting anime nowadays.
Wish they had more time to expand and more fully explain the mechanisms behind some of the phenomenons but that's just how movies goes. That's why I usually hate movies, too short to be fully satisfying.
The ending is purposely left vague and would depend on when the starting scene takes place. She lost all of her memories when she woke up and he said they would just create new ones. Maybe they failed and decided to go their separate ways in life, kinda like 5cm/sec. Mokoto Shinki seems to love separation stories that end on a bad or bittersweet note anyways.
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Pretty good movie.
At first, I was puzzled on what's happening after three years has been over, but now I get what's going on. Also, I also thought when all three characters wanted to see the tower, I was thinking what's the point of wanting to see the tower with such a war between Japanese and USA. But, now I know why they wanted to see the tower as I keep watching it. That one scene between the two friends was the very best part through this entire movie. Man, that was a awesome tension by those two. The ending was cool. Don't really feel the connection when they finally see the tower, but it's nice that they finally seen it.
7.5/10 round up to a 8 because of that friend argument on that scene was great.
If someone could explain the ending that would be great.
It's really easy to understand. The girl wakes up after she was having so many dreams with the two boys when she was with them for three years. After that, she was crying that she finally sees the tower she is waiting for to see. And then, he destroyed the tower and it's finally over. Don't know if that one is confusing to you, but hope this answer help you out.
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Leave it to Shinkai to dramatize parallel universes to this extent.
Pretty unamusing for the most part. To be fair, this film is quite ambitious as it juggles many themes and plot points with the intentions of formulating a "perfect" narrative; it wanted to have everything, appealing to everyone. As a result it explores nothing (on a "deep" level, at least).
It looks nice, though, and I did enjoy the first act and their attempt to delve into parallel worlds and such, as I'm fascinated with those subjects.
It all just seems so trite for me, personally. Everyone's motivations in this movie are so righteous and far-fetched it hurts. Shinkai has had this issue in a lot of his work, which is a shame because I like him as a director. He's certainly improved with this over the years, as The Garden of Words is subtle yet phenomenal.
I'm honestly devoid of anything to say with this movie, it was mostly a blur even after 10 minutes of watching the thing. Nothing felt urgent, and I didn't really care for the characters, either.
i dont understand something here. how is sayuri related to the tower? and wtf is universe dreaming??
Sayuri's grandfather was part of the creation/founding of the tower. As for the "universe dreaming", the researchers in the movie suggested there is a vague connection between parallel universes and a person's dreams. According to this movie- and my interpretation-, dreams occur in an unconscious state of mind when the dreamer is "psychologically" able to connect with alternate timelines or simply possibilities from other versions of the world. This explanation in the film is embellished with stupid amounts of science jargon, since they are "researchers" after all, and their words have to complement their lab attire. It's best not to over-analyse it, most of the ideas were implausible anyways.
I dunno what to think of this movie.. It was boring yet it was not.. And I didnt get the deep meaning behind it all
There is none, don't worry.
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