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May 7, 2012 10:14 PM

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Aww damn it Chinatsu stuck with her pride and got herself killed. :( Wanted her to join Koko so badly since I actually liked her character. That whole no panties thing about her made this even more entertaining and now that's gone.
May 8, 2012 10:33 PM

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Chinatsu is dead. . . It's so great!
May 9, 2012 2:00 AM
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Damnit, Chinatsu. I was just beginning to like her, and then she dies.
May 18, 2012 7:58 PM

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Hmmm...I wonder why Commando followed a guy who killed her parents (maybe she was forced to)?

I'd like to know what Koko said to Commando.
May 19, 2012 1:46 PM

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Best episode so far
tfw no gf
tfw i keep getting the banhammer on here
tfw Koleare keeps banning me every other day
tfw I'm misunderstood by le mod
Jun 22, 2012 7:03 AM

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lol Koko the thing you wanted to know the most is why Chinatsu doesn't wear underwear...I am sad though I wanted her to join the team!
Jul 3, 2012 11:32 AM

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was the great soundtrack (song as in opera) when Chinatsu was dying ♥
Jul 4, 2012 5:16 PM

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I love how they killed them and I actually really liked Orchestra and Chinatsu was very weird. I mean she shoots better commando xDDD
Aug 22, 2012 2:17 PM

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I am continually fascinated by Koko. This show rocks! I have been wanting to find something exactly like this forever.

Guess I am a bit late to the party lol...that is what happens when you take a break from anime I guess...
Sep 19, 2012 6:54 AM
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not wearing panties = increase of accuracy
Oct 3, 2012 2:12 AM

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The guy's death was anticlimatic...after the gunfight last episode. Also Koko is truly loco.

And also pantsu.
Oct 18, 2012 3:54 PM

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Damn, I wish Chinatsu had joined the team. It would've made for an interesting change in the team dynamics!
Nov 8, 2012 6:17 AM

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aww she died.. :(
Dec 21, 2012 9:04 PM

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Frickin loved the snipers!!!
This anime is sooo good!
Jan 13, 2013 9:33 PM

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They sure got rid of them quick O_O. I thought they were going to be the villains of this anime haha.

Anyways, really good episode! :)
Apr 13, 2013 3:32 PM

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Aww awesome screenshots again, I think it will be like this all the way, so I might not even take any :(. I will have though, want to post some I posted already on episode discussions on my profile.

About the episode, love the snipers, and loved the red haired girl too :(, sad that Koko couldn't convince her to join.
Apr 22, 2013 6:34 PM
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Great episode.
That beginning episode flashback was quite harsh. Thank god someone killed him.
So that's why she don't have panties on lol.Does someone got a pic for when she doing a backflip? Was kind of sad that she died but she kind of hateful when she gets too crazy when her master died.
Hmm Johan foreshadowing in the next episode interesting.
The rest of the man needs more developed. Don't know if i liked them or hate them.
Koko is great.
Jun 22, 2013 12:24 AM
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gg chinatsu I wanted to u more without ur panties :)
Jan 15, 2014 10:39 PM

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bye Chinatsu you crazy bitch.. you will not be missed..

Jonah is one skilled bodyguard
Mar 1, 2014 9:57 AM

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the gun fight between the 2 cars at that distance and no one got hit!?
Apr 14, 2014 8:04 PM

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Wow, wow ... that was a really good episode O_O Again, ruined by random pixelations and such ... dunno if it's my player or my files or what. I'm gonna have to check it because it's really ruining this series >_<
Interesting how Chinatsu met her master eh ... I was expecting to see more of her "past" tbh :O Surprised the snipers shot him dead ... wow D:
Koko's got connections eh ... this "Scarecrow" ain't got nothing on her :P Mention of her father too ... then a nice walk and talk with Jonah. Really loving their relationship! :P
Chinatsu ends up coming for her again ... and we get the reason she doesn't wear panties lol. I mean, Koko DID warn her she'd die if she aimed at her ... and, well, she did. At least she died looking up at the sky like her Master said to? (I don't even remember his name lol.) Also yeah, wow, that last shot at Koko ... she does look crazy there XD
ED was pretty good too, fit the mood ... calming, but "different"? Lol. Looks like we get a little of Jonah's past next episode, maybe? :O
Oct 27, 2014 4:23 PM

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Dang, that's one heck of a case of Stockholm,..

Misaola said:
was the great soundtrack (song as in opera) when Chinatsu was dying ♥

Vissi d'Arte from Tosca, by Puccini:

Paul said:
Going commando makes her aim better = best logic ever.

Actually, this made more sense to me than it should. Ever tried doing martial arts or shooting at the range with a pair of undies that's slighty too tight or creeping up your buttcrack? Yeah,..
Modified by Laionidas, Oct 27, 2014 4:53 PM
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Nov 24, 2014 6:39 PM

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I was hoping that Chinatsu would join them but unfortunately things didn't end well with her. I'm really interested into why Koko became an weapons dealer. Looks like something really messed up happened with her.

Great episode.
Jan 9, 2015 8:59 PM
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I didint expect ol shark teeth to bite it so early. Though I will say I cant feel bad for chinatsu though. She ended up joining the dude who killed her parents and even liking him. So shes pretty freaking dumb well at least we got an ass shot from her. Looks like we also got another new character scarecrow the cia dick.Also surprised we got to see koko actually scared for a second. Guess she feels defenceless without her team. I already can tell they are going to tell us that answer wayyyy down the line. Pretty good episode though surprised noone got shot during car chase.
Jan 21, 2015 6:57 AM

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Coldbid said:
the gun fight between the 2 cars at that distance and no one got hit!?

LOL - yeah, that's probably why this show reminds me of Black Lagoon so much. Thousands of bullets sprayed from a few feet away and no one gets hit. Suuuuuuuuuuure.
Mar 14, 2015 4:02 PM

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Bloody censors. Always ruining the good parts (oh and I'm talking about the singer and sharkman's death not whatever you were thinking of)

The soundtrack at the end was great though.
Sep 2, 2015 7:38 AM

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That takes care of those two... that ending sure was impressive though! Let's see what's next!
Nov 19, 2015 2:32 PM

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R.I.P. Commando Girl :(

Dec 11, 2015 1:31 AM

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I did not like Chinatsu or the Orchestra guy. I'm glad they're both dead.
Dec 20, 2015 9:48 PM

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No panties :O
Feb 24, 2016 7:15 AM

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Yumekichi11 said:

GOODBYE CHINATSU! My God guide you well but I think it’s Hell awaiting you.[/b] You killed people too Chinatsu. Does not matter whether you got brainwashed or forced. It’s still bad.

and i guess koko deserves some sort of damage control because....

33orion77 said:
I had high hopes for this one but the more I see the more I'm disappointed. Visuals and the some action scenes are good but I think the rest very ordinary.

Very disappointed with the orchestra arch, Characters have too few development. For example that "artist" from orchestra ( chinatsu's mentor ) is just a wannabe artist. Art is about sophistication and there was little sophistication in his love for gun noise.

gosh, so true.

I also didn't like that little flashback we had about chinatsu's past. Usually that technique is used to make us feel empathy for the villain that is about to die, making feel us some empathy for him and making his death more tragic. It's usually supposed to show us that the villain is also a human being but in this one we just see that Chinatsu is a psycho and I got no empathy for psychos.

I think the whole no panties stuff is also a bid absurd. Provocative with no reason..

This show might look good on the surface but if you go deeper I think it's missing something.

good to know i'm not the only one who was confused about that flashback. also and i the only one who is wondering why they decided not to kill her the first time? there was 0 explanation on that...

this show is either badly directed or too confusing for me to get. but i must admit my heart jumped for joy a bit when i saw that the CIA was on her. at least one guy is trying to bring justice down. oh and i was just a bit surprised that koko had corrupted the police system. i also liked how koko only deals with danger in her business but is scared to death of it. she gets frozen just by walking outside while her crew does all the work. honestly what kind of power does this girl have over them?
Modified by TomDay, Feb 24, 2016 7:52 AM
Dec 11, 2016 12:56 AM

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loved this episode.
Mar 23, 2019 3:18 PM

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It's just me or all women in this show are freaking psychos? Well, I guess everybody kinda is in world of arms dealeres and mercenaries.
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Apr 18, 2019 12:22 PM
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Wow I really loved this episode.
I looked up the Oman police uniform and I'm impressed how it was similarly drawn.
I felt sad that Chinatsu was a normal girl, I believe she has developed a Stockholm syndrome.
The master death's moment was epic. and I pretty much like Lutz
I believe Chinatsu kills better without pants as she throws away part of her common sense and decency. Lehm is really so cool as a sniper.
Apr 25, 2019 10:30 PM
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Just started watching this series and feel like this arc had great potential but ended lack luster. Not because it had a bad ending, but because the conclusion was rushed into one episode.
Would've been better to have the last quarter of the episode be the crew waiting out for Chinatsu to make her move. This would've been great time for more characterization of our crew.
Then the next episode begins with Chinatsu coming crazed and on a rampage.
She seemed like a person who developed stockholm syndrome, so it would've been nice to see a tiny bit more on how she developed this relationship in her psyche with her master. That tiny bit of characterization was all we needed. Without it, her character arc felt poorly executed. I didn't feel one bit for her.

This whole show is supposedly about blurring the lines on good and bad similarly to Black Lagoon. Questioning who we're supposed to root for. Because our main characters obviously aren't good in the traditional sense, but we go along with them and hope for the best. It also felt rushed to end the scene with them hesitating to kill a young girl then cut three days later and suddenly they do just that anyway. Would've been better to get to that point slower and smoother. Instead it just felt weird and pointless showing their whole moral dilemma.

Also Chinatsu's reasoning with her not wearing her panties is actually quite an interesting part of her character. Her master mentioned ONCE in the entire arc when her hat was shot, that she should stop being superstitious for once. So she obviously believes strange things.
Her reasoning for her panties could've been taken alittle more seriously by the audience if we established her superstitious beliefs better. Doing this required more and better constructed scenes with the Orchestra duo which obviously concludes with my opinion and my reasoning with why this arc needed one more episode to tie it all up nicely.

I'm enjoying this show don't get me more. It's just this is the first time an arc (over more than one episode) was done in this series which was well executed only to end quite disappointingly. The ending scene between Koko and Chinatsu though was chilling and well done, but it overall could've been better as a third episode conclusion to a better executed second episode.
Jun 29, 2019 11:42 PM
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So let me get this straight... I'm suppose to believe that .50 CAL M2 browning machine gun shredded that SUV up like a piece of swiss cheese and yet all 4 of Hekmatyar's men were somehow able to survive that??? I see realism isn't this show's strong point, it's got the main cast covered in plot armor as hard as diamonds.

This is the kind of thing that ACTUALLY HAPPENS when you shoot a vehicle full of bullets;
Sep 18, 2019 4:52 PM

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Chinatsu was a really interesting character. Sad to see her go.

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Sep 21, 2019 5:27 AM

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Where the hell did they get that "60% of world citizens own a gun" statistic? It's complete nonsense. And then they go so far as to say 10% of all people are actively carrying a gun in order to try and prove some point; utterly ridiculous.

Otherwise I've been enjoying the show so far, but pushing ideologies based on made up statistics pisses me off enough to detract from my enjoyment. Now I don't disagree with the idea that people are intrinsically violent creatures, but using these gun stats to prove it isn't exactly a sound argument.

Also, I agree with what another poster said about the obvious plot armor, aka, the car getting shot full of holes yet miraculously nobody got hurt. I think I've seen this situation in anime so many times that I don't even give it a second thought, I've just sort of accepted it. I wonder, does that make me an irresponsible viewer? Whatever.
Modified by C_M_, Sep 21, 2019 5:34 AM
Sep 23, 2019 3:08 PM

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This show is a festival of irritating characters. Chinatsu and the crazy ass bastard died in their own law, hearing the 'music' they liked to hear.

I'd like to see that CIA agent getting his brains blown by one of Koko's men. Great soundtrack btw.
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