Who is the strongest servant in Fate-verse?
| I believe he can probably dodge it with his Eye of Mind but even EX agility is useless agiant Gae bolg so his agility doesnt matter.Using both EoM and agility wouldnt give Cu Chulainn a chance to use it which ,yeah, I accept. |
ssjokg said: I believe he can probably dodge it with his Eye of Mind but even EX agility is useless agiant Gae bolg so his agility doesnt matter.Using both EoM and agility wouldnt give Cu Chulainn a chance to use it which ,yeah, I accept. I meant that if Cu Chulainn commited to using Gae Bolg, there would be enough time while it activates (while saying "Gae Bolg" and getting close enough to Diarmuid) that Diarmuid could hit Gae Bolg with Gae Dearg to cancel the effect altogether before it fully activates. And then slice Cu Chulainn up with Gae Buidhe... I agree that Diarmuid could also just stay out of range via Eye of the Mind + agility if he needs to. |
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| Saber of course~ |
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| I think Cu Chulainn would beat Diarmuid regardless. If Lancer used Gae Bolg like he did vs Archer in UBW (throw it from a distance), I don't think there's much Diarmuid can do. |
Okaishi said: I think Cu Chulainn would beat Diarmuid regardless. If Lancer used Gae Bolg like he did vs Archer in UBW (throw it from a distance), I don't think there's much Diarmuid can do. Except Gae Dearg it. |
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ataraxial said: Okaishi said: I think Cu Chulainn would beat Diarmuid regardless. If Lancer used Gae Bolg like he did vs Archer in UBW (throw it from a distance), I don't think there's much Diarmuid can do. Except Gae Dearg it. The only way to know that is by watching them fight- kinda unlikely.It depends on whether Diarmuid can hit/touch the spear of striking death flight or not.I mean even with all the crazy stuff in nasuverse I dont remember any scene where someone stops a spear/arrow/sword tip with his own unlike many other anime(bleach,naruto etc) |
ssjokg said: the rune thing was that he had the time to use them not that they would work against Diarmuid. He doesnt need to be close with his second technique it doesnt have the same effext bad it is strong And about stopping it with Gae Dearg.Isnt the only way for it to work just before Cu Chulainn thrusts?Isnt that the moment when the magic effect takes place?I see it the same way I see the fight with Caster.The monster was summoned with magic but Diarmuid had to pierce the book. Thats just speculation but I see the same thing in both cases. the moment gae bolg's name is mentioned it has already pierced the heart so gae dearg wouldnt work however diarmuid can move out of its range like archer did in the prologue before cu chulainn says gae bolg cu chulainn with kirei is weak because kirei is not a good magus also he is bound by a command spell to go easy on servants in order to gather information with bazett...hes prob the 4th strongest servant |
BloodRequiemMay 1, 2012 10:32 AM
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Okaishi said: I think Cu Chulainn would beat Diarmuid regardless. If Lancer used Gae Bolg like he did vs Archer in UBW (throw it from a distance), I don't think there's much Diarmuid can do. the 1 he threw against archer was not the impaling heart version he used the anti army version thats why archer survived |
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ssjokg said: The only way to know that is by watching them fight- kinda unlikely.It depends on whether Diarmuid can hit/touch the spear of striking death flight or not.I mean even with all the crazy stuff in nasuverse I dont remember any scene where someone stops a spear/arrow/sword tip with his own unlike many other anime(bleach,naruto etc) He wouldn't have to hit the tip specifically since Gae Dearg would cancel out the magic behind the attack just by touching it. So all he'd have to do is pull a Zero Berserker, except he already has the weapon in his hand which would make it considerably easier. BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: the rune thing was that he had the time to use them not that they would work against Diarmuid. He doesnt need to be close with his second technique it doesnt have the same effext bad it is strong And about stopping it with Gae Dearg.Isnt the only way for it to work just before Cu Chulainn thrusts?Isnt that the moment when the magic effect takes place?I see it the same way I see the fight with Caster.The monster was summoned with magic but Diarmuid had to pierce the book. Thats just speculation but I see the same thing in both cases. the moment gae bolg's name is mentioned it has already pierced the heart so gae dearg wouldnt work however diarmuid can move out of its range like archer did in the prologue before cu chulainn says gae bolg I don't think we can really say what would happen with Gae Dearg vs. Gae Bolg. My thoughts are that Gae Bolg wouldn't activate immediately - there is some time between starting to say its name and finishing it at the very least - which would be enough time for Gae Dearg to dispel the heart-piercing effect since it's fueled by mana. |
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BloodRequiem said: with bazett...hes prob the 4th strongest servant I think Nasu also stated that he would have won the 5th war if Bazett was his Master. |
ataraxial said: ssjokg said: The only way to know that is by watching them fight- kinda unlikely.It depends on whether Diarmuid can hit/touch the spear of striking death flight or not.I mean even with all the crazy stuff in nasuverse I dont remember any scene where someone stops a spear/arrow/sword tip with his own unlike many other anime(bleach,naruto etc) He wouldn't have to hit the tip specifically since Gae Dearg would cancel out the magic behind the attack just by touching it. So all he'd have to do is pull a Zero Berserker, except he already has the weapon in his hand which would make it considerably easier. BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: the rune thing was that he had the time to use them not that they would work against Diarmuid. He doesnt need to be close with his second technique it doesnt have the same effext bad it is strong And about stopping it with Gae Dearg.Isnt the only way for it to work just before Cu Chulainn thrusts?Isnt that the moment when the magic effect takes place?I see it the same way I see the fight with Caster.The monster was summoned with magic but Diarmuid had to pierce the book. Thats just speculation but I see the same thing in both cases. the moment gae bolg's name is mentioned it has already pierced the heart so gae dearg wouldnt work however diarmuid can move out of its range like archer did in the prologue before cu chulainn says gae bolg I don't think we can really say what would happen with Gae Dearg vs. Gae Bolg. My thoughts are that Gae Bolg wouldn't activate immediately - there is some time between starting to say its name and finishing it at the very least - which would be enough time for Gae Dearg to dispel the heart-piercing effect since it's fueled by mana. its a causality reversing effect it cannot be blocked in ANY way other than moving out of range before it is activated or having an absurd amount of luck |
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ssjokg said: BloodRequiem said: with bazett...hes prob the 4th strongest servant I think Nasu also stated that he would have won the 5th war if Bazett was his Master. naw he will only be able to take prob 4 or 5 of hercules lives at most and fragarach wont work on hercules either... |
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BloodRequiem said: its a causality reversing effect it cannot be blocked in ANY way other than moving out of range before it is activated or having an absurd amount of luck Right, but I'm not talking about after it gets activated. I'm talking about when it's in the process of activating. |
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ataraxial said: BloodRequiem said: its a causality reversing effect it cannot be blocked in ANY way other than moving out of range before it is activated or having an absurd amount of luck Right, but I'm not talking about after it gets activated. I'm talking about when it's in the process of activating. the activation prana is in the words and the surrounding air itself not the spear so hitting the spear wont do anything plus their speeds are pretty equal not to mention that gae dearg needs to maintain constant contact |
BloodRequiemMay 1, 2012 10:45 AM
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BloodRequiem said: ataraxial said: BloodRequiem said: its a causality reversing effect it cannot be blocked in ANY way other than moving out of range before it is activated or having an absurd amount of luck Right, but I'm not talking about after it gets activated. I'm talking about when it's in the process of activating. the activation prana is in the words itself not the spear so hitting the spear wont do anything plus their speeds are pretty equal Their speeds are most definitely not equal. A+ means that he can boost to be twice as fast as A for a short amount of time. Also, the thing about prana being in the words makes no sense. The spear is what's affected, so the effect can be canceled by touching it with Gae Dearg. Otherwise, Gae Dearg would not be an "anti-Noble Phantasm." |
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ataraxial said: BloodRequiem said: ataraxial said: BloodRequiem said: its a causality reversing effect it cannot be blocked in ANY way other than moving out of range before it is activated or having an absurd amount of luck Right, but I'm not talking about after it gets activated. I'm talking about when it's in the process of activating. the activation prana is in the words itself not the spear so hitting the spear wont do anything plus their speeds are pretty equal Their speeds are most definitely not equal. A+ means that he can boost to be twice as fast as A for a short amount of time. Also, the thing about prana being in the words makes no sense. The spear is what's affected, so the effect can be canceled by touching it with Gae Dearg. Otherwise, Gae Dearg would not be an "anti-Noble Phantasm." gae dearg is not anti noble phantasm it simply cuts the flow of prana if it cannot touch prana then it wont do anything A+ is only under certain ideal conditions cu chulainn can boost with his runes as well |
BloodRequiemMay 1, 2012 10:51 AM
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BloodRequiem said: gae dearg is not anti noble phantasm it simply cuts the flow of prana if it cannot touch prana then it wont do anything A+ is only under certain ideal conditions cu chulainn can boost with his runes as well "Anti-noble phantasm" is what it says on the wiki. Also, according to the wiki, Gae Bolg is "charged with prana" when using the anti-unit attack. Which means hitting it with Gae Dearg would cancel its effect if it could hit it while it's activating. Constant contact wouldn't be necessary once it gets canceled for a split second since Cu Chulainn would have to react in order to continue Gae Bolg - he'd probably have to say its name again at least. BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: BloodRequiem said: with bazett...hes prob the 4th strongest servant I think Nasu also stated that he would have won the 5th war if Bazett was his Master. naw he will only be able to take prob 4 or 5 of hercules lives at most and fragarach wont work on hercules either... Why wouldn't Fragarach work? Also, word of god on Cu Chulainn vs. Heracles: "Lancer can use his runes and Noble Phantasm together to temporarily raise the rank to A, but it'd still be a very disadvantageous fight but 'one with some chances.' " |
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ataraxial said: BloodRequiem said: gae dearg is not anti noble phantasm it simply cuts the flow of prana if it cannot touch prana then it wont do anything A+ is only under certain ideal conditions cu chulainn can boost with his runes as well "Anti-noble phantasm" is what it says on the wiki. Also, according to the wiki, Gae Bolg is "charged with prana" when using the anti-unit attack. Which means hitting it with Gae Dearg would cancel its effect if it could hit it while it's activating. Constant contact wouldn't be necessary once it gets canceled for a split second since Cu Chulainn would have to react in order to continue Gae Bolg - he'd probably have to say its name again at least. BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: BloodRequiem said: with bazett...hes prob the 4th strongest servant I think Nasu also stated that he would have won the 5th war if Bazett was his Master. naw he will only be able to take prob 4 or 5 of hercules lives at most and fragarach wont work on hercules either... Why wouldn't Fragarach work? Also, word of god on Cu Chulainn vs. Heracles: "Lancer can use his runes and Noble Phantasm together to temporarily raise the rank to A, but it'd still be a very disadvantageous fight but 'one with some chances.' " gae dearg isnt anti noble phantasm... if anything it is anti magecraft it is not shown to affect any noble phantasms that is not coated with prana invisible air and lancelot's knight of honour pours prana on the outside of the noble phantasm while charging may mean that prana is within the noble phantasm if it cannot reach the prana flow then it will not do anything fragarach wont work because berserker doesnt have an ultimate attack that will trigger it some chances- assassin has chances against Gil too, yes a prana enforced spit can even damage him but is it likely? not really word of god cannot always be trusted case in point UBW also tsukihime where shiki slices arcueid 17 times in the blink of an eye more of a figure of speech feat wise no way we cant just assume that hercules will stand around and do nothing hercules has way better stats than cu chulainn and it is extremely unlikely that gae bolg will be able to kill berserker all 12 times before it develops immunity godhand can be regenerated as well |
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BloodRequiem said: ataraxial said: BloodRequiem said: gae dearg is not anti noble phantasm it simply cuts the flow of prana if it cannot touch prana then it wont do anything A+ is only under certain ideal conditions cu chulainn can boost with his runes as well "Anti-noble phantasm" is what it says on the wiki. Also, according to the wiki, Gae Bolg is "charged with prana" when using the anti-unit attack. Which means hitting it with Gae Dearg would cancel its effect if it could hit it while it's activating. Constant contact wouldn't be necessary once it gets canceled for a split second since Cu Chulainn would have to react in order to continue Gae Bolg - he'd probably have to say its name again at least. BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: BloodRequiem said: with bazett...hes prob the 4th strongest servant I think Nasu also stated that he would have won the 5th war if Bazett was his Master. naw he will only be able to take prob 4 or 5 of hercules lives at most and fragarach wont work on hercules either... Why wouldn't Fragarach work? Also, word of god on Cu Chulainn vs. Heracles: "Lancer can use his runes and Noble Phantasm together to temporarily raise the rank to A, but it'd still be a very disadvantageous fight but 'one with some chances.' " gae dearg isnt anti noble phantasm... if anything it is anti magecraft it is not shown to affect any noble phantasms that is not coated with prana invisible air and lancelot's knight of honour pours prana on the outside of the noble phantasm while charging may mean that prana is within the noble phantasm if it cannot reach the prana flow then it will not do anything fragarach wont work because berserker doesnt have an ultimate attack that will trigger it some chances- assassin has chances against Gil too, yes a prana enforced spit can even damage him but is it likely? not really word of god cannot always be trusted case in point UBW also tsukihime where shiki slices arcueid 17 times in the blink of an eye more of a figure of speech feat wise no way we cant just assume that hercules will stand around and do nothing hercules has way better stats than cu chulainn and it is extremely unlikely that gae bolg will be able to kill berserker all 12 times before it develops immunity godhand can be regenerated as well Point is that Gae Dearg would cut off prana flow to Gae Bolg, rendering the attack useless. Being "charged with prana" sounds very much like Knight of Honor spreading prana throughout an object to Noble Phantasmize it, so there's no justification for asserting that the prana would only be "within it." Anyways, I was agreeing with you about Cu Chulainn vs. Heracles. Calm your tits. |
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| Well ofc Gilgamesh is the strongest... I mean this isnt even a discussion... But Lancelot is cooler than all :P |
ssjokg said: Sasaki?wth? Well he was fighting on par with Rin-Saber. And she only beat him due to plot hax. |
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| Yeah but we dont decide this by how well everyone fought against Saber.I doubt Tsubame Gaeshi would work well against both Bersrkers and Casters. Also, how about we include True Assassin since he is a different from the one in Zero? |
ssjokg said: Yeah but we dont decide this by how well everyone fought against Saber.I doubt Tsubame Gaeshi would work well against both Bersrkers and Casters. Also, how about we include True Assassin since he is a different from the one in Zero? I know, but that's probably the reason why someone voted for him. Or maybe he/she voted for him because he's their favorite character. |
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ssjokg said: Yeah but we dont decide this by how well everyone fought against Saber.I doubt Tsubame Gaeshi would work well against both Bersrkers and Casters. Also, how about we include True Assassin since he is a different from the one in Zero? Sure, I'll throw in Avenger too for the lulz. |
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| trolls gonna troll cant help it cuz its a poll kojirou may be haxed in melee but there are so many ways to bypass his advantage maybe we should make separate sabers too rin saber shirou saber kiritsugu saber and saber alter so we dont have stuff like rin saber with avalon...or alter with caliburn or someshit |
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BloodRequiem said: trolls gonna troll cant help it cuz its a poll kojirou may be haxed in melee but there are so many ways to bypass his advantage maybe we should make separate sabers too rin saber shirou saber kiritsugu saber and saber alter so we dont have stuff like rin saber with avalon...or alter with caliburn or someshit Nah I think that's kind of pointless. Just consider Saber with a decent-good enough master with Avalon. Because Shirou is a pretty bad master, probably the worst, so it's kinda unfair for her. |
Ragna92May 1, 2012 3:41 PM
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Ragna92 said: BloodRequiem said: trolls gonna troll cant help it cuz its a poll kojirou may be haxed in melee but there are so many ways to bypass his advantage maybe we should make separate sabers too rin saber shirou saber kiritsugu saber and saber alter so we dont have stuff like rin saber with avalon...or alter with caliburn or someshit Nah I think that's kind of pointless. Just consider Saber with a decent-good enough master with Avalon. Because Shirou is a pretty bad master probably the worst, so it's kinda unfair for her. only shirou's version gets avalon but in turn has shit stats or else its just not canon saber alter is completely different from the normal sabers too |
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| it would be nice to know their status without the bonus from their masters. |
| I think you should also add Karna. |
Ragna92May 1, 2012 3:57 PM
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| hope you are joking...whats the point to analyze Servants that we have never seen? The same goes for fate/extra.Shiki killing 99 Servants?where all of them Avenger or something?For me it's as canon as Carnival phantasm is. |
ssjokg said: hope you are joking...whats the point to analyze Servants that we have never seen? The same goes for fate/extra.Shiki killing 99 Servants?where all of them Avenger or something?For me it's as canon as Carnival phantasm is. I wasn't exactly being serious, but I do think it would make things more interesting. Maybe we should start making tier lists now. Here is a Nasuverse tier list http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=650586, if anyone's interest. |
Ragna92May 1, 2012 4:10 PM
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| interesting yes but besides the wikis and speculations(Rin same tier with True Assassin and Rider?)we dont have anything.If we are lucky we may get a full Fate/Apocrypha. lowest ranking Shit Shinji XDXDXDXD |
ssjokgMay 1, 2012 4:53 PM
ssjokg said: it would be nice to know their status without the bonus from their masters. Not quite what you're looking for but this helps a little: http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Servant#Container_Parameters |
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ataraxial said: ssjokg said: it would be nice to know their status without the bonus from their masters. Not quite what you're looking for but this helps a little: http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Servant#Container_Parameters Good job. I never saw that.... too bad for "Unmodified by the strengths and weaknesses of specific Heroic Spirits" It would be really unfair for some of the known servants. Heracles berserker according to the above. str:C end,agi:D man,luck:E. |
ssjokg said: ataraxial said: ssjokg said: it would be nice to know their status without the bonus from their masters. Not quite what you're looking for but this helps a little: http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Servant#Container_Parameters Good job. I never saw that.... too bad for "Unmodified by the strengths and weaknesses of specific Heroic Spirits" It would be really unfair for some of the known servants. Heracles berserker according to the above. str:C end,agi:D man,luck:E. I wonder why the base stats for the Berserker class are so low. Mad Enhancement boosts stats by one step depending on level, but still... |
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ataraxial said: ssjokg said: ataraxial said: ssjokg said: it would be nice to know their status without the bonus from their masters. Not quite what you're looking for but this helps a little: http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Servant#Container_Parameters Good job. I never saw that.... too bad for "Unmodified by the strengths and weaknesses of specific Heroic Spirits" It would be really unfair for some of the known servants. Heracles berserker according to the above. str:C end,agi:D man,luck:E. I wonder why the base stats for the Berserker class are so low. Mad Enhancement boosts stats by one step depending on level, but still... I was quite surprised at how low the base stats were for Archer class in general when I first saw this. But then again, I guess the Archers we've seen so far have been really strong due to their master and due to their NPs and other special skills. If taking only these estimated base stats into consideration, Saber, Caster, Lancer (and Assassin) seem to be more well-rounded in stats than the others. If we eliminate the plot armor or hacks, which servant would have the biggest chance to defeat Gil? Based on the discussions here and the limited knowledge I have about servants, would it be Archer (Emiya)? |
| Oh and I finally decided to vote for Gil after taking into consideration what you guys said within this thread xD |
| highest chance of beating Gil outside of plothax prob archer EMIYA depends on whether or not Gil will crash his reality marble with Ea as soon as possible or stay full retard like in UBW followed by saber alter simply because she can spam excalibur blasts continuously then iskander i doubt it but since he didnt have his chariot...maybe...idk if PIS and CIS are off...no 1 can beat Gil... |
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BloodRequiem said: highest chance of beating Gil outside of plothax prob archer EMIYA depends on whether or not Gil will crash his reality marble with Ea as soon as possible or stay full retard like in UBW followed by saber alter simply because she can spam excalibur blasts continuously then iskander i doubt it but since he didnt have his chariot...maybe...idk if PIS and CIS are off...no 1 can beat Gil... Sorry for asking this but what's "PIS" and "CIS" .__.; |
sallym613 said: If we eliminate the plot armor or hacks, which servant would have the biggest chance to defeat Gil? Based on the discussions here and the limited knowledge I have about servants, would it be Archer (Emiya)? Unless Gil uses Ea or Vimana from the beginning I am sure Emiya has chances to defeat him. GoB is useless against him since he coud counter whatever Gil throws at him by using the same one.As long as he doesnt give Gil any time to draw Ea or use Vimana then he can win.Enkidu may cause problems for Archer but since he does not have any divinity he may be able to do something like spam numerous NP to it... |
sallym613 said: BloodRequiem said: highest chance of beating Gil outside of plothax prob archer EMIYA depends on whether or not Gil will crash his reality marble with Ea as soon as possible or stay full retard like in UBW followed by saber alter simply because she can spam excalibur blasts continuously then iskander i doubt it but since he didnt have his chariot...maybe...idk if PIS and CIS are off...no 1 can beat Gil... Sorry for asking this but what's "PIS" and "CIS" .__.; Plot- and character- induced stupidity. Just learned this recently, to be honest :) |
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sallym613 said: BloodRequiem said: highest chance of beating Gil outside of plothax prob archer EMIYA depends on whether or not Gil will crash his reality marble with Ea as soon as possible or stay full retard like in UBW followed by saber alter simply because she can spam excalibur blasts continuously then iskander i doubt it but since he didnt have his chariot...maybe...idk if PIS and CIS are off...no 1 can beat Gil... Sorry for asking this but what's "PIS" and "CIS" .__.; PIS = plot induced stupidity example: Berserker Hercules is fighting Shirou Suddenly Shirou pulls out Caliburn and out of nowhere kills all of Berserker's lives. CIS = character induced stupidity example: Gilgamesh goes easy on Shirou because he does not go serious on mongrels and eventually is defeated |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
BloodRequiem said: sallym613 said: BloodRequiem said: highest chance of beating Gil outside of plothax prob archer EMIYA depends on whether or not Gil will crash his reality marble with Ea as soon as possible or stay full retard like in UBW followed by saber alter simply because she can spam excalibur blasts continuously then iskander i doubt it but since he didnt have his chariot...maybe...idk if PIS and CIS are off...no 1 can beat Gil... Sorry for asking this but what's "PIS" and "CIS" .__.; PIS = plot induced stupidity example: Berserker Hercules is fighting Shirou Suddenly Shirou pulls out Caliburn and out of nowhere kills all of Berserker's lives. CIS = character induced stupidity example: Gilgamesh does not go easy on Shirou because he does not go easy on mongrels and eventually is defeated You mean "does not go serious," right? |
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ataraxial said: BloodRequiem said: sallym613 said: BloodRequiem said: highest chance of beating Gil outside of plothax prob archer EMIYA depends on whether or not Gil will crash his reality marble with Ea as soon as possible or stay full retard like in UBW followed by saber alter simply because she can spam excalibur blasts continuously then iskander i doubt it but since he didnt have his chariot...maybe...idk if PIS and CIS are off...no 1 can beat Gil... Sorry for asking this but what's "PIS" and "CIS" .__.; PIS = plot induced stupidity example: Berserker Hercules is fighting Shirou Suddenly Shirou pulls out Caliburn and out of nowhere kills all of Berserker's lives. CIS = character induced stupidity example: Gilgamesh does not go easy on Shirou because he does not go easy on mongrels and eventually is defeated You mean "does not go serious," right? my bad i will edit |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
| irrelevant but I just found something great(for me at least)about Prototype Saber Every time I look at Gilgamesh I will think about how great Prototype could be. |
ataraxial said: Plot- and character- induced stupidity. Just learned this recently, to be honest :) BloodRequiem said: PIS = plot induced stupidity example: Berserker Hercules is fighting Shirou Suddenly Shirou pulls out Caliburn and out of nowhere kills all of Berserker's lives. CIS = character induced stupidity example: Gilgamesh goes easy on Shirou because he does not go serious on mongrels and eventually is defeated Aha. So basically PIS and CIS are along the lines of plot/character hax. Gotcha. @ ssjokg: Makes sense. I'm wondering though: Since his Vimana got destroyed by Berserker Zero, does this mean he no longer has it in his GoB, meaning he can't use it during the Fifth Grail War even if he wanted to? I have always wondered about that. |
sallym613 said: ataraxial said: Plot- and character- induced stupidity. Just learned this recently, to be honest :) BloodRequiem said: PIS = plot induced stupidity example: Berserker Hercules is fighting Shirou Suddenly Shirou pulls out Caliburn and out of nowhere kills all of Berserker's lives. CIS = character induced stupidity example: Gilgamesh goes easy on Shirou because he does not go serious on mongrels and eventually is defeated Aha. So basically PIS and CIS are along the lines of plot/character hax. Gotcha. @ ssjokg: Makes sense. I'm wondering though: Since his Vimana got destroyed by Berserker Zero, does this mean he no longer has it in his GoB, meaning he can't use it during the Fifth Grail War even if he wanted to? I have always wondered about that. he probably doesnt have it anymore unless hes summoned again plus theres no point in flying when servants have spirit form so vimana is barely a factor unless he decides to nuke fuyuki |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
ataraxial said: It's because the Berserker class was made to bring weaker heroes up to par with stronger ones. But everyone we've seen just uses it to make strong heroes even stronger. ssjokg said: ataraxial said: ssjokg said: it would be nice to know their status without the bonus from their masters. Not quite what you're looking for but this helps a little: http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Servant#Container_Parameters Good job. I never saw that.... too bad for "Unmodified by the strengths and weaknesses of specific Heroic Spirits" It would be really unfair for some of the known servants. Heracles berserker according to the above. str:C end,agi:D man,luck:E. I wonder why the base stats for the Berserker class are so low. Mad Enhancement boosts stats by one step depending on level, but still... Though these base stats are pointless since, as said, they aren't relevant to the hero. Also bringing up Karna is pointless (besides the fact that he's unused) because he can't use one of his Noble Phantasms on "stronger foes" and who's to say where that line falls? That said, he'd probably be number 2 after Gilgamesh, and the fight between them would just come down to whoever used their anti-god weapon first. Also yeah destroyed Noble Phantasms can't come back, so Gilgamesh won't have Vimana anymore unless he's summoned again. Or has more than one. |
BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: MapoTofu said: If in the Archer (Emiya) vs Berserker (Heracles) fight, Archer uses UBW first and instead of going head on but just shoots all of his weapons as BPs, would he have been able to beat Berserker. Heracles Berserker isnt as slow as the anime makes him to be.And no one knows how Archer really fought him.And he wasnt at full power because of Saber's attack in the beginning.If Shirou was able to beat him I dont see EMIYA being unable to since he is a lot more powerful than his younger self. BP takes a huge amount of prana which is counterproductive to the whole point of using UBW because the point of UBW is having access to high ranked, accurate copies while keeping cost low berserker is several times faster than archer and no archer cant trace avalon or caliburn because he doesnt have a connection with saber therefore he has no image and im pretty sure he healed that wound saber gave him a long time ago I meant he could use Nine Lives like Shirou did in HF.Even if dark Berserker is weaker than the normal one.And without the after effects that Shirou had,EMIYA would be able to use it more than once |
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