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| Kiritsugu cares not for your honor or righteousness. Sucks how Lancer went out. His curse, I believe, will definitely come to pass. |
| No no not Lancer :( no! n o .. |
| Wow! Kiritsugu is ridiculously cutthroat! Although a part of me doesn't really approve of the methods he's using, I do have to admit that this is a war. There are no rules in war, plain and simple. You do whatever you have to do to get the job done, which is what he's done. |
| "No matter how much of a genius one is, in front of the Uchiha name, they're just ordinary people." - Sasuke Uchiha |
Uchihafan25 said: Wow! Kiritsugu is ridiculously cutthroat! Although a part of me doesn't really approve of the methods he's using, I do have to admit that this is a war. There are no rules in war, plain and simple. You do whatever you have to do to get the job done, which is what he's done. Why do people keep saying this. There ARE rules in war. Without rules you have stuff like the holocaust and the Rape of Nanking. How about nerve gas being dropped over entire cities. No rules right? Those civilians are pussies crying about massacres and all that shit. Man up! No rules Baby!!!! Sigh... The rules aren't always obeyed, but as a human, soldiers on the ground and in the command room should do all they can to obey the rules and convention layed out. Its one of the only things stopping humans from becoming monsters. |
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dankickyou said: Uchihafan25 said: Wow! Kiritsugu is ridiculously cutthroat! Although a part of me doesn't really approve of the methods he's using, I do have to admit that this is a war. There are no rules in war, plain and simple. You do whatever you have to do to get the job done, which is what he's done. Why do people keep saying this. There ARE rules in war. Without rules you have stuff like the holocaust and the Rape of Nanking. How about nerve gas being dropped over entire cities. No rules right? Those civilians are pussies crying about massacres and all that shit. Man up! No rules Baby!!!! Sigh... The rules aren't always obeyed, but as a human, soldiers on the ground and in the command room should do all they can to obey the rules and convention layed out. Its one of the only things stopping humans from becoming monsters. I would like to agree with you but war itself is one of the biggest atrocities.The only difference that "war crimes" do is to help us see who was the "worst" war leader.Whats the difference in dying by poison or a bullet to the head?Unless you are fighting in a war to protect your city/country from the invaders, you stopped being human the moment you grabbed your weapons. |
ssjokg said: dankickyou said: Uchihafan25 said: Wow! Kiritsugu is ridiculously cutthroat! Although a part of me doesn't really approve of the methods he's using, I do have to admit that this is a war. There are no rules in war, plain and simple. You do whatever you have to do to get the job done, which is what he's done. Why do people keep saying this. There ARE rules in war. Without rules you have stuff like the holocaust and the Rape of Nanking. How about nerve gas being dropped over entire cities. No rules right? Those civilians are pussies crying about massacres and all that shit. Man up! No rules Baby!!!! Sigh... The rules aren't always obeyed, but as a human, soldiers on the ground and in the command room should do all they can to obey the rules and convention layed out. Its one of the only things stopping humans from becoming monsters. I would like to agree with you but war itself is one of the biggest atrocities.The only difference that "war crimes" do is to help us see who was the "worst" war leader.Whats the difference in dying by poison or a bullet to the head?Unless you are fighting in a war to protect your city/country from the invaders, you stopped being human the moment you grabbed your weapons. Sure, war is bad. But that is the reason why rules of war/engagement exist, to reduce the impacts of war especially to non-combatants. Again, it's not perfect and has been ignored many times in the past, but the fact is that these rules have save many lives and can stop wars from falling to total fuckfests of chaos. Imagine if country A ignores conventions and kills country B citizens with bio-weapons. Country B is gonna flip the fuck out and do the same. Then everything goes to shit x 9000 instead of shit x 2000. These agreements helps to keep things somewhat manageable. |
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dankickyou said: ssjokg said: dankickyou said: Uchihafan25 said: Wow! Kiritsugu is ridiculously cutthroat! Although a part of me doesn't really approve of the methods he's using, I do have to admit that this is a war. There are no rules in war, plain and simple. You do whatever you have to do to get the job done, which is what he's done. Why do people keep saying this. There ARE rules in war. Without rules you have stuff like the holocaust and the Rape of Nanking. How about nerve gas being dropped over entire cities. No rules right? Those civilians are pussies crying about massacres and all that shit. Man up! No rules Baby!!!! Sigh... The rules aren't always obeyed, but as a human, soldiers on the ground and in the command room should do all they can to obey the rules and convention layed out. Its one of the only things stopping humans from becoming monsters. I would like to agree with you but war itself is one of the biggest atrocities.The only difference that "war crimes" do is to help us see who was the "worst" war leader.Whats the difference in dying by poison or a bullet to the head?Unless you are fighting in a war to protect your city/country from the invaders, you stopped being human the moment you grabbed your weapons. Sure, war is bad. But that is the reason why rules of war/engagement exist, to reduce the impacts of war especially to non-combatants. Again, it's not perfect and has been ignored many times in the past, but the fact is that these rules have save many lives and can stop wars from falling to total fuckfests of chaos. Imagine if country A ignores conventions and kills country B citizens with bio-weapons. Country B is gonna flip the fuck out and do the same. Then everything goes to shit x 9000 instead of shit x 2000. These agreements helps to keep things somewhat manageable. I think that shit will happen even if agreements exist.If things dont get out of hand (nuclear bombs,new holocaust)it's because of human common sense not because of "laws" or rules.And I believe that if those rules,laws or the fucking useless UN,existed to protect innocents, then the Syrian uprising and the so called war on terrorism from the US wouldnt be something to fill more than two pages in the future history books. |
| The rules are defined by the winners. Winners are always the war heroes. And the losers are always the criminals and needs to pay reparation. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
| holy cow that episode was bloody. i was speechless for a bit. |
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| Well that was a pretty damn way of ending their lives...pretty badass if you ask me, but I can't say I approve his way of doing things (cause I don't). But the episode was really good and I'm really interested in Kiritsugu's character. |
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| People are going down really quick now :/ Loving it so far... never, for the life of me, would I expect Lancer to go down like that and so suddenly, and then such an emotional scene follows. Really great stuff. That's how I like my anime, stuff happens. |
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| Very heavy episode...gotta pity Lancer. Such a tragic fate, both in life and in death. Iri's condition is worsening, it seems. Wondering what's wrong with her. Also, need to see more of Kiritsugu's background. |
 "Only the dead have seen the end of war". ~Plato~ |
| Lancer is the most luckless character here as well as in original Fate/Stay Night. Besides, I like stories by Kinoko Nasu, sometimes the dialogues in them are very philosophic. That`s why I liked this episode... |
| Extremely deep episode. Kuritsugu is just too brutal.... have to pity Lancer that was killing his pride and he looks so demonic in the end. One touching episode |
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| So sad to see Lancer die in such a way, but Kiritsugu is doing the right thing. All that pride, honour and glory stuff is just an illusion. Good to see a character who is actually going about this whole scenario in a smarter way. |
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| Kiritsugu kinda reminds me of Spike from Cowboy Bebop.Anyway brilliant episode |
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| Beautiful episode. Kiritsugu is God. |
| Great episode. Great fight. Great dialogue. 5/5 My wish from last episode came true, let's hope they keep this up for the other 9 episodes |
| End Zionazism |
| Kiritsugu was freaking awesome in this episode! |
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| Terrible ending for Kayneth. |
| What an efficient way to win! Haha, he got that one command seal just to make lancer kill himself. How ironic! |
 "I like to expose what people hide. I'm an intellectual rapist." - Furudo Erika |
| Lancer was forced to suicide and he cursed the Grail. I understand it was the more painful end for him, no honor in this battle. Kiritsugu and Maya are monsters. We have Irisviel with a lot of humanity on her side, but it's really hard to accept all for the sake of the world. By the way, Kirei's father died on the same night when his son betrayed his duty. Such irony! |
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| The way he killed Kayneth was so ... pro |
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| Fuck man......Lancer. He and Saber(I know shes a girl) had one of the best Bromances i've ever seen in an anime, and him going down like that is just sickening. What the fuck is wrong with chivalry anyway!? It seems to me like its a way to find honor in a dishonorable thing, a way to cope with this cruel world and keep ones pride...there is absolutly nothing wrong with that. I agree chivalry is dead, but it truely shouldn't be! Finding solace in a battle between equals, keeping your pride and your soul intact by doing honorable battle with someone who feels the same way as you..... whether you die or not, it would be a death to be proud of. Lancer was stripped of that right, torn down and had his ideals smashed before him. This scene was fucking brutal to watch. May Kiritsugu's soul forever burn in the firery depths of Hell!! |
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| Too bad for Lancer. I was hoping for some more action. :/ Three down, three more to go. |
| While Kiritsugu is cool and strategic ,and has the spy/sniper/hitman theme going for him he still plays dirty as hell. |
| the scene where kiritsugu made his speech felt more powerful in the novels but nevertheless it is a good adaptation |
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| It was a great brutal episode but must say, lots of blood!! The Fiancé. Death was brutal!! Sniper shot wow..... Why must they kill my favorite character? Plus suicide? Oh come on the battle of Lancer and. Saber was getting awesome!! I for one feel sorry for Lancer... Emiya has skills but should of let the fight go on but then that means someone death oh man this had to happen? I like the battle while it lasted |
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| Damn trickery made lancer kill him self, I actually liked him as a character on the quest for the holy grail! Though yea when he said that he couldn't kill him I just expected someone else would/could! Though rather a slow episode in general though allot of information! |
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| Great episode. Man Kiritsugu has some dirty tactics. |
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| Best episode I've watched so far. On the one hand Lancer's death was so sad, and on the other hand the fight scene and the never dissapointing badass kiritsugu made this episode brilliant. Two ideas were clashed : while Kiritsugu said that the method of killing humans doesn't matter, Saber believed even that must to have rules and morality. Brilliant episode, but... RIP Lancer :((( |
| Oh shit seems Irisviel or w/e her name was is gonna die soon, sad but knew it was coming so ... Lancer seemed pretty mad, like VERY mad at his fate, probably will come back as the next Berserker some day if these wars were to continue ... And don't really feel bad for Kayneth dying since he was kind of smug, glad his fiance died since she was a bitch so... Guess everything worked out in the end. |
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Pirating_Ninja said: Only their legends,myths and state of mind hey had during their lifes affects their stats,NP or class.Oh shit seems Irisviel or w/e her name was is gonna die soon, sad but knew it was coming so ... Lancer seemed pretty mad, like VERY mad at his fate, probably will come back as the next Berserker some day if these wars were to continue ... And don't really feel bad for Kayneth dying since he was kind of smug, glad his fiance died since she was a bitch so... Guess everything worked out in the end. Unless Lancer was crazy(angry doesnt even count unless you lost it because of that) during some point of his life he wont be summoned as a Berserker. |
| Well I didn't expect any of that. I really enjoyed the episode though. Lancer's eyes at the end were awesome. |
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| I sure didn't expect Lancer to die like that. I'm actually quite pissed off. |
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| my favorite episode, but my question is,did Lancer curse the grail? i remember something about the grail being cursed in FateStayNight |
zombiepika said: No, the Grail was tainted in the 3rd war by the Servant Avenger after his defeat.my favorite episode, but my question is,did Lancer curse the grail? i remember something about the grail being cursed in FateStayNight Lancer cursing it was a coincidence. |
| One of my favourite episodes in the Fate series so far A great battle of ethics that probably has everything thinking. I know a lot of people claim it as cheap or disgusting but honestly I agree with Kiritsugu... Killing is killing and I don't really believe in honour and chivalry on a battlefield. I'd honestly do the same thing if I was forced into his position. The easiest way to end his enemies |
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| I also completely agree with Kiritsugus way of doing things, lots of lives could be saved with the holy grail and letting lancer and saber finish their fight would have only resulted in unnecessary risks. |
| Oh my goodness gracious, now that is the Fate/ series I've been looking for. Constantly changing alliances and power struggles, betrayal, straight up epic fights with no overly-magical elements to them and totally badass Kiritsugu. Easily my favourite episode so far, that was just excellent. And the argument between Saber and Kiritsugu at the end, along with Irisviel's collapse just finished off an already amazing episode. Perfect, 5/5 (I do not say that often!) |
| Holy shit that was a great episode. Didn't expect Lancer to be dishonored and killed along with his master. Kiritsugu's way of freeing the world from evil is kind of harsh. And what's happening to Irisviel ? Why did she collapse ? Need to watch the next episode. |
Always-HungryJul 11, 2013 8:13 AM
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| ah this guy.. kayneth finally show up again in this episode.. look what had he done? -_- he kill the pastor -_- btw nice fight saber vs lancer :3 really cool btw.. :3 kinda dissapointed lancer kill himself because kiritsugu :/ |
ownosourus said: I sure didn't expect Lancer to die like that. I'm actually quite pissed off. As am I, brah. |
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