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Jan 17, 2016 12:53 PM
#251
| First of all, I can't say how happy I am to see that this thread is still (somewhat!) active. allen_is_love said: Also, I really hate it when her fanatic fans say that if you don't like her, then you MUST be a mysoginist. It doesn't matter if you love any other female characters, if it's not the female lead, then you just hate her because it's mainstream and you're jealous and you ship her with your self-insert OC. On my part I don't see it why they feel offended that you don't like their favourite character, like you said that they are horrible persons for liking her and go around with defenses that are only meant to insult people. That's all I've got to say. This. I despise the (utterly erroneous) notion that if you dislike ANY female character, you are a raging misogynist and probably a homophobic jerk and need to learn to love yourself. Sometimes, people don't like female characters. It doesn't mean they hate women or are suffering from a bad case of internalised misogyny. It's as simple as that. I dislike male characters. I dislike female characters. I dislike any character who I happen to find annoying. And I find Lenalee infuriating. Like many people have pointed out, I find her crying to be unrealistic and annoying. You'd think that someone who's been a soldier for the past several years would have a grip on herself, but Lenalee seems bent on single-handedly flooding the Cry Cute tag in TV Tropes. Personality-wise, she's the kind of character who sits it out in the audience during tournament arcs in shounen animes. I don't know how she ever survived the environment she's in. Also, the skirt. Holy God, the skirt. People say that haters "slut shame" Lenalee for wearing that flimsy piece of cloth, but here's the thing: fictional characters are not real people. Fictional characters are CREATED by real people for a reason. And Lenalee's outfit exists for no reason other than fanservice. And that's sad. Because here's the only prominent female character in the series, and the first thing we notice about her is that outfit. And it's not like she has much of a personality to overshadow it. Which brings me to my next point: as a character, she's boring. She is outright lazily written. That's not even debatable. She's just a sweet, nice girl who happens to hate Central (of course, this is never shown in actions that affect the plot). It's like a thirteen-year-old boy created her for a class project that didn't count towards his final grade. But the worst part - the part that makes me want to punch holes in walls and scream at the sky - is that EVERY other character loves her for apparently no reason. Again, that's not even debatable. Allen loves her. Lavi loves her. The entire science department are her personal cheerleaders. Cross thinks she's attractive. Bak has a creepy crush on her. Random guys drool over her and check her out. People worry about her way, way more than they worry about anyone else, including other female characters (a great example would be Miranda, who often gets treated like crap). The entire Ark section seems dedicated to showcasing how much her friends love her, and how much she loves her friends (we got it the first time you told us, Hoshino. No need to shove it down our throats). As someone pointed out earlier, when you lose your powers in a shounen manga, you either train to get them back (like Allen did) or "go backstage" and let other characters take the screen. And there's a reason this happens. No person with half a brain wants a character stripped of her powers to be tagging along with the action team, unless it's for comic relief or important information. The only thing Lenalee does is get her ass saved. Repeatedly. She contributes literally nothing to the plot. It's like there always has to be an exception for Lenalee, and she always has to get special treatment. Kanda is a cold-hearted bastard to everyone? Oh, everyone but Lenalee, that is. Way to wreck a great character. Bak is a man in his late twenties? Of course he has to have a crush on a sixteen year old girl (honestly, that is not funny). Allen more or less doesn't seem to care about romance? He actually finds Lenalee cute. Lenalee slaps Allen and prevents him from fighting? A-ok! Miranda tries to stop Lavi from fighting? Miranda gets yelled at (and no one comes to her defence, either. What happened to everyone's chivalry? Oh, wait, it only exists around Lenalee). Miranda has her hands nailed to a cross? That's cool. Allen doesn't care. Oh, wait, Lenalee is dressed as a doll? Gotta scream her name. Yup, no lapse in logic, there. Lenalee is overall just an unrealistic, two-dimensional, over-hyped character, and I have nothing good to say about her or the way other characters react to her. There is not a person on the planet who is universally loved, and that should include Lenalee, but of course - she is the exception to every rule. |
redstripedsocksApr 16, 2016 9:55 AM
Jan 18, 2016 11:38 AM
#252
| Welcome, fellow late comers, I'm glad you joined, since recently our numbers decreased with 4. It's good to know that there are people who think of her as over-hyped, seriously I never saw anyone pampered this much. I'm not saying that she doesn't have a sad past, but the need to constantly coddle and woship her is annoying. She always get this special treatment and it's infuriating! When people are dying why do I have to worry about how she will feel about it? Can't I worry about Allen or Lavi, who are in deep shit? Why do I have to worry that Lenalee will cry? It's overdone, she'd be sad, but as long as Komui is alive she'll carry on living. And then I'm surprised that after all this time no one mentioned: the reaction of people about Allen's death was microscopic. Lavi was said and Lenalee cried, but Krory and Miranda who let's admit are prone to cry, especially about Allen who is a saviour to them didn't even shed a single tear, everyone just sails happily to Edo. And then when she disappears everyone flips shit! FUCKING HOW?! WHY. DOES, SHE. NEED. TO. BE. SHOVED. IN. THE. MIDDLE. EVERY. GOD. DAMN. TIME. I'D LIKE TO HAVE OTHER CHARACTERS INTERACT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. And then the love punches! They are disgusting, and when you call out on it people are mad! And why does everyone go around saying that she's strong when her mental state is that fragile! Allen sees Akuma souls all day and he doesn't break down crying or whine about it! Lenalee is weak in every aspect you can imagine. I really hope we won't see her for a long time. I swear if she dares to kick Allen upon meeting I. WILL. Rage. Escpecially if I see "oh, lenalee so cute and strong and badass-" comments. Ugh. And then they even call her queen *shudders* I also don't get it why they come with "she drank her Innocence knowing she might become a Fallen". What the fuck? She didn't betray the Innocence, why would it try to kill her? And after this crystallisation thingy why did the Earl stop going after her? I'm glad people don't believe her to be the Heart (yeah, it would be awesome if the most useless person in the world would be saddled with that) but Allen who REFORMED HIS INNOCENCE FROM DUST(!!!!!) never got this! NO ONE EVER THOUGHT OF PROTECTING ALLEN! JUST PROTECT LENALEE-CHAN BUT USE ALLEN AS A SHIELD, THANKS. |
Jan 18, 2016 2:01 PM
#253
allen_is_love said: And then I'm surprised that after all this time no one mentioned: the reaction of people about Allen's death was microscopic. Lavi was said and Lenalee cried, but Krory and Miranda who let's admit are prone to cry, especially about Allen who is a saviour to them didn't even shed a single tear, everyone just sails happily to Edo. And then when she disappears everyone flips shit! FUCKING HOW?! WHY. DOES, SHE. NEED. TO. BE. SHOVED. IN. THE. MIDDLE. EVERY. GOD. DAMN. TIME. I'D LIKE TO HAVE OTHER CHARACTERS INTERACT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I haven't watched DGM in a while, but, come to think of it, you're right. Even when it was clear as day that Kanda was probably dead in the Ark part, no one even batted an eyelid. But Lenalee gets a smudge of dirt on her cheek and everyone loses their shit. Also, Kanda, too, drank his Innocence knowing he could become a Fallen, but no one flipped their shit when he did it. You know who deserves more love? Miranda. She took a huge step in deciding to become an Exorcist after believing she was worthless for so long. That's a really brave thing to do, and it shows character development. She's constantly trying to improve herself and constantly pushing her limits, but no one treats her like a princess. I'm willing to bet it's only because she doesn't wear a skirt that shows off her panties or slap the male characters (read as: abuse them) into submission. Lenalee is the perfect example of a manipulative, selfish jerk, but everyone acts like she's the Queen of England. And she gets worse as the series goes along. I tolerated her in the beginning because she didn't get so much unnecessary screen time, but from the moment everyone thought Allen was dead, I found her unbearable. She just squealed and whined and moaned and bawled. There was not a single episode in which she didn't cry or have everyone coddle her. Not. A Single. One. Also, the part with the Level 4. Christ. Everyone was acting like Lenalee was the only one putting her life on the line. Kanda and Lavi were FIGHTING WITHOUT THEIR INNOCENCE AND COULD EASILY HAVE LOST THEIR LIVES and no one gave a shit. Even Allen, our all-loving hero, didn't bat an eye. Lenalee? She just does what everyone else does and everyone puts her on a pedestal and faps to her with tears of admiration running down their cheeks and 'Ave Maria' playing in the background. |
redstripedsocksApr 16, 2016 9:57 AM
Jan 29, 2016 2:00 PM
#254
redstripedsocks said: I haven't watched DGM in a while, but, come to think of it, you're right. Even when it was clear as day that Kanda was probably dead in the Ark part, no one even batted an eyelid. But Lenalee gets a smudge of dirt on her cheek and everyone loses their shit. Also, Kanda, too, drank his Innocence knowing he could become a Fallen, but no one flipped their shit when he did it. You know who deserves more love? Miranda. She took a huge step in deciding to become an Exorcist after believing she was worthless for so long. That's a really brave thing to do, and it shows character development. She's constantly trying to improve herself and constantly pushing her limits, but no one treats her like a princess. I'm willing to bet it's only because she doesn't wear a skirt that shows off her panties or slap the male characters (read as: abuse them) into submission. Lenalee is the perfect example of a manipulative, selfish jerk, but everyone acts like she's the Queen of England. And she gets worse as the series goes along. I tolerated her in the beginning because she didn't get so much unnecessary screen time, but from the moment everyone thought Allen was dead, I found her unbearable. She just squealed and whined and moaned and bawled. There was not a single episode in which she didn't cry or have everyone coddle her. Not. A Single. One. Also, the part with the Level 4. Christ. Everyone was acting like Lenalee was the only one putting her life on the line. Kanda and Lavi were FIGHTING WITHOUT THEIR INNOCENCE AND COULD EASILY HAVE LOST THEIR LIVES and no one gave a shit. Even Allen, our all-loving hero, didn't bat an eye. Lenalee? She just does what's expected of her and everyone puts her on a pedestal and faps to her with tears of admiration running down their cheeks and 'Ave Maria' playing in the background. OMG your whole reply, LMAO! (Also, sorry for the late reply I was über busy) I absolutely agree on Miranda needing screentime, she's grown so much. Every character did - except Lenalee! I don't even get it how she Crystallised! Allen got his Innocence back because he realised that he doesn't want to live only to destroy Akuma, he wanted to save the humans he grew to love. Krory realised that he doesn't fight to legitimise killing Eliade anymore, but to protect his friends. Kanda Crystallised when he decided that he would stop denying his heart he tried to hide and go to save Allen. Lenalee? In theory she fought for her loved ones ever since the beggining and continued to do the same after the upgrade, I don't see any difference! So then why the hell did she crystallise?! It doesn't make sense! The worst is that Lenalee would have potential if she was put on the front-line more without those goddamn panty flashes, but no, Hoshino is hellbent on making everything and everyone fall for her and worship her to her last strands of hair, it pisses me off. Her presence is not even that important plot-wise so there's really no fucking point in shoving her everywhere. Everyone treats her as is she was some unbeatable godess when she can't even face Leverrier without the urge to flee. Everything is about how she musn't get hurt and how much anguish she feels for her world falling apart. She gets to whine to her heart's content, but when Kanda suffers Allen punches him in the forehead (okay that was pretty badass, but still, ouch) or when Allen is crying because he thinks Alma killed everyone with his awakening he was kicked in the head. Miranda and Krory get ridiculed for crying, even goddamn fucking Mana who endured a ton lot worse shit than Lenalee's fragile mind can conjure up and get called as crybabies but when you rightfully call Lenalee a crybaby everyone loses their minds. It's annoying how superficial fans can be. Lenalee is a two-faced asshole posing as a saint and everyone loves her. The Earl was widely hated until he became a bishi. Apocryphos gets so much hate for wanting to do the exact same thing as Neah, but Neah gets away with it becuase he's a bishie (no offence, I like Neah, but seriously). I seriously need Hoshino to draw more of the other female characters, because Lenalee is the worst mistake she ever made. I'm glad she's not around currently. |
Jan 30, 2016 4:42 AM
#255
allen_is_love said: OMG your whole reply, LMAO! (Also, sorry for the late reply I was über busy) I absolutely agree on Miranda needing screentime, she's grown so much. Every character did - except Lenalee! I don't even get it how she Crystallised! Allen got his Innocence back because he realised that he doesn't want to live only to destroy Akuma, he wanted to save the humans he grew to love. Krory realised that he doesn't fight to legitimise killing Eliade anymore, but to protect his friends. Kanda Crystallised when he decided that he would stop denying his heart he tried to hide and go to save Allen. Lenalee? In theory she fought for her loved ones ever since the beggining and continued to do the same after the upgrade, I don't see any difference! So then why the hell did she crystallise?! It doesn't make sense! [...] Everything is about how she musn't get hurt and how much anguish she feels for her world falling apart. She gets to whine to her heart's content, but when Kanda suffers Allen punches him in the forehead (okay that was pretty badass, but still, ouch) or when Allen is crying because he thinks Alma killed everyone with his awakening he was kicked in the head. Miranda and Krory get ridiculed for crying, even goddamn fucking Mana who endured a ton lot worse shit than Lenalee's fragile mind can conjure up and get called as crybabies but when you rightfully call Lenalee a crybaby everyone loses their minds. It's annoying how superficial fans can be. Lenalee is a two-faced asshole posing as a saint and everyone loves her. The Earl was widely hated until he became a bishi. Apocryphos gets so much hate for wanting to do the exact same thing as Neah, but Neah gets away with it becuase he's a bishie (no offence, I like Neah, but seriously). I seriously need Hoshino to draw more of the other female characters, because Lenalee is the worst mistake she ever made. I'm glad she's not around currently. This. All of it. Thank you for replying, because now I can gripe about Lenalee even more. ;D Maybe I wouldn't have such an issue with her if she wasn't so popular with the fans, but for some reason, she is. You're right; there was no reason for her to get an upgrade. Lenalee is the only one of the main four characters who doesn't change at all (well, she gets a whole lot whinier, but that's it. There's no positive change). If you ask me, Kanda and Allen have changed the most, so it makes sense for them to upgrade. It's not just a matter of their resolve; it's a matter of them growing as individuals. And Lenalee has not grown AT ALL. Yeah, what I hate so much is that, when someone else is in pain, they get reprimanded for it. But if Lenalee is in pain? "Everyone, drop your shit! I don't care if you're dying or fighting a battle! You must COMFORT LENALEE. IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYTHING." What I love so much about Kanda and Allen's relationship is that it's all in actions, not in sappy, in-your-face words. And that's how you write a good relationship in fiction. Show, don't tell. It's a pretty basic concept. If you constantly have to verbally point out how much two characters care about each other, chances are their relationship is so underdeveloped that you NEED to shove it in your audience's face for them to get it. Lenalee IS a two-faced asshole posing as a saint. Hoshino just loves her so much that all other characters have to make exceptions for her, even when it's totally unrealistic. I can stomach Komui's sister complex. Fine. She's his sister. I get it. But all the others? Nope. I mean, seriously, she has ruined both scenes and characters for me. What the Hell made Hoshino think it was okay to make Bak have a creepy crush on Lenalee? I mean, we JUST got through several painful chapters of watching Lenalee angst her way through the Eshi battle while Lavi suddenly turned into her slave - and then she pops up in Allen's story, too? WHY? There was no reason he had to have a dream about her, or constantly refer to her (partially thanks to Bak). And seriously, how does Bak even have all those pictures of Lenalee? When the Hell did he even come in contact with her? Because those pictures look pretty darn recent to me. And the Asia branch seems to have some great ladies - why does he have to unrealistically latch onto Lenalee? Really, Bak, Fou is a much better choice. She's strong and funny, and not hard on the eyes, either. She actually has a fucking personality, unlike our little coddled princess, here. And don't even get me started on the Allen vs Lavi bit. It could have been an emotional battle. It could have been subtle. It could have been between just the two of them. It could have been, I dunno, NOT cheesy. Lenalee totally ruined a perfectly good scene with her constant shrieking. I swear, I had to watch that episode on mute because I hate Lenalee's screeching so much. And WHY does everyone have to constantly point out that Lenalee is pretty? Road actually referred to her as 'pretty little Lenalee' DURING A BATTLE. It really should say something about how sucky and boring your character is if her only redeeming quality is her supposed beauty. Most of the time, you could replace this bitch with a pornographic poster and it would make no difference to the plot. Lenalee is just that badly written. And I got so mad when, during his fight with Lavi, Allen was all like, "Lenalee, who values us..." And I thought, "Lol, Allen, are you trying to say she's the only person on the planet who'd care if you two died? Because that is a blatant fucking lie." Why do I have to care if this bitch is going to cry? Like, it's portrayed as some kind of tragedy when she cries. It's not important to the plot at all, but Hoshino tries to make it sound as important as a hoard of Akuma storming the Order and killing everyone. You know why I'm moved when Allen and Kanda cry? Even though Allen cries a lot, no one coddles him when he does. No one calls him "prince", no one says, "You made Allen cry," and no one drops their shit to go rub his feet. And Kanda? Jeez, we see him cry only a handful of times (mostly when he was a kid), but it's moving precisely because it's not usual for him. When Kanda cries, you KNOW shit's hit the fan. You know this guy is in some serious fucking pain. You know he's not doing it for attention or because he can't get a grip in a tough situation. When Kanda cries, that is some serious fucking emotion he's conveying. Not just, "Oh, you're hurt! Imma whine about it as if this is about me!" You know, the way Lenalee is. She cried when Allen's arm was crumbling? Really? Lenalee, bitch, I'm sorry to break it to you, but stop making everyone else's issues about you. Your ass does not smell like flowers, and no one is obliged to ram their nose up it. Like, Lenalee is just a mass of contradictions. She's bossy and even violent, slapping Allen, grabbing his hand and hugging him without his permission (which actually counts as a breach of consent. Also, it's pretty clear that Allen is freaked out when she hugs him. The least she could do is ask if it's okay to touch him. And the reason to hug him was so fucking stupid, I rolled my eyes), casually invading Kanda's privacy while he's meditating and basically begging sympathy from him (jeez, there is a time and place for everything, Lenalee), and flat out demanding to see her brother even when the poor science department is trying to explain that she can't see him right now. Then she's a quivering heap of tears and angst, collapsing in people's arms and crying into their shoulders and what not. What a manipulative, demanding, self-entitled jerk. Which would be fine - Kanda's a jerk too - but Lenalee never gets called out on her bullshit and it pisses me off. Her violence and idiocy are perceived by other characters as heroism and kindness. When Allen sees Cross without permission, he is bodily dragged out by two guards. When Lenalee sees her brother without permission, she is just escorted nicely outside. I am amazed that people are blind to how spoiled and unrealistic this character is. |
redstripedsocksJun 2, 2016 11:36 AM
Jan 30, 2016 11:24 AM
#256
redstripedsocks said: Maybe I wouldn't have such an issue with her if she wasn't so popular with the fans, but for some reason, she is. [...] If you ask me, Kanda and Allen have changed the most, so it makes sense for them to upgrade. Yeah, what I hate so much is that, when someone else is in pain, they get reprimanded for it. But if Lenalee is in pain? "Everyone, drop your shit! I don't care if you're dying or fighting a battle! You must COMFORT LENALEE. IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYTHING." What I love so much about Kanda and Allen's relationship is that it's all in actions, not in sappy, in-your-face words. And that's how you write a good relationship in fiction. Show, don't tell. It's a pretty basic concept. If you constantly have to verbally point out how much two characters care about each other, chances are their relationship is so underdeveloped that you NEED to shove it in your audience's face for them to get it. Lenalee IS a two-faced asshole posing as a saint. Hoshino just loves her so much that all other characters have to make exceptions for her, even when it's totally unrealistic. I can stomach Komui's sister complex. Fine. She's his sister. I get it. But all the others? Nope. I mean, seriously, she has ruined both scenes and characters for me. What the Hell made Hoshino think it was okay to make Bak have a creepy crush on Lenalee? I mean, we JUST got through several painful chapters of watching Lenalee angst her way through the Eishii battle while Lavi suddenly turned into her slave - and then she pops up in Allen's story, too? WHY? There was no reason he had to have a dream about her, or constantly refer to her (partially thanks to Bak). And seriously, how does Bak even have all those pictures of Lenalee? When the Hell did he even come in contact with her? Because those pictures look pretty darn recent to me. And the Asia branch seems to have some great ladies - why does he have to unrealistically latch onto Lenalee? Really, Bak, Fou is a much better choice. She's strong and funny, and not hard on the eyes, either. She actually has a fucking personality, unlike our little coddled princess, here. And don't even get me started on the Allen vs Lavi bit. It could have been an emotional battle. It could have been subtle. It could have been between just the two of them. It could have been, I dunno, NOT cheesy. Lenalee totally ruined a perfectly good scene with her constant shrieking. I swear, I had to watch that episode on mute because I hate Lenalee's screeching so much. And WHY does everyone have to constantly point out that Lenalee is pretty? Road actually referred to her as 'pretty little Lenalee' DURING A BATTLE. It really should say something about how sucky and boring your character is if her only redeeming quality is her supposed beauty. Most of the time, you could replace this bitch with a pornographic poster and it would make no difference to the plot. Lenalee is just that badly written. And I got so mad when, during his fight with Lavi, Allen was all like, "Lenalee, who values us..." And I thought, "Lol, Allen, are you trying to say she's the only person on the planet who'd care if you two died? Because that is a blatant fucking lie." Why do I have to care if this bitch is going to cry? Like, it's portrayed as some kind of tragedy when she cries. It's not important to the plot at all, but Hoshino tries to make it sound as important as a hoard of Akuma storming the Order and killing everyone. You know why I'm moved when Allen and Kanda cry? Even though Allen cries a lot, no one coddles him when he does. No one calls him "prince" (ew), no one says, "You made Allen cry," and no one drops their shit to go rub his feet. And Kanda? Jeez, we see him cry only a handful of times (mostly when he was a kid), but it's moving precisely because it's not usual for him. When Kanda cries, you KNOW shit's hit the fan. You know this guy is in some serious fucking pain. You know he's not doing it for attention or because he's not professional. When Kanda cries, that is some serious fucking emotion he's conveying. Not just, "Oh, you're hurt! Imma whine about it as if this is about me!" You know, the way Lenalee is. She cried when Allen's arm was crumbling? Really? Lenalee, bitch, I'm sorry to break it to you, but stop making everyone else's issues about you. Your ass does not smell like flowers, and no one is obliged to ram their nose up it. Like, Lenalee is just a mass of contradictions. She's bossy and even abusive, hitting Kanda and Allen, grabbing Allen's hand and hugging him without his permission (which actually counts as a breach of consent. Also, it's pretty clear that Allen is freaked out when she hugs him. The least she could do is ask if it's okay to touch him. And the reason to hug him was so fucking stupid, I rolled my eyes), casually invading Kanda's privacy while he's meditating and basically begging sympathy from him (jeez, there is a time and place for everything, Lenalee), and flat out demanding to see her brother even when the poor science department is trying to explain that she can't see him right now. Then she's a quivering heap of tears and angst, collapsing in people's arms and crying into their shoulders and what not. What a manipulative, demanding, self-entitled jerk. When Allen sees Cross without permission, he is bodily dragged out by two guards. When Lenalee sees her brother without permission, she is just escorted nicely outside. I am amazed that people are blind to how spoiled and unrealistic this character is. Every word is true. I don't get it either why everyone is so obsessed with her. Orihime from Bleach is quite popular too, but she's not an asshole - a bit flat but still likeable(though I don't know what's she's like anymore I dropped Bleach :P). But her? She's "pretty" even though her whole body structure is the fucking same as Miranda's and lo behold she doesn't have questionable men after her, even though Miranda is much, much cuter. I actually liked the fight with Eshii, there was a second when she became cynical but then she went back to crying again. I don't know contradicting character traits are thrown together and we get her (blegh) Ark Arc was a disappointment on her part, it was so fucking annoying that every second panel was about how she suffers for being unable to fight. Chaoji at least had the fucking sense not to get in the way. She completely ruined the brotherly/romantic (whichever you prefer) Laven moment. Also I wanted to throw the keyboard at her when she fucking punched Lavi after he risked his life to save themselves. IS THIS HOW YOU THANK PEOPLE FOR SAVING YOUR SLUTTY ASS, YOU BITCH?! Bak is completely ruined for me. I get it that the Order is a closed off society, but seriously for every single person to fall for her is gross. If Bak was after Lou Fa - or Fou who you mentioned (and I love her 'cause she's badass and can make Allen feel comfortable around herself unlike certain people *glares at Lenalee*) - that would still be shaky since there's quite an age-gap, in Lenalee's case there's 13 years. And then have Cross stay, because she begged him to do so, yeah, not Mary Sue at all. What the fuck is up with him that he courts a fucking teenage slut? I don't ship MirandaXCross but it still would make a lot more sense if he tried to woo her. He caresses Lenalee's face like she was most precious but doesn't hesitate to shoot when Miranda's life was in danger. If Lenalee was caught up there I bet no one would have done it. My comfort is that I know that secretly he stayed because he was worried about Allen. When Lenalee does something risky it's seen as corageous self-sacrifice but when any other character does it's immense recklessness, it's enraging. Like it's??? A fucking war??? OFC people might be forced to fight like that??? When you point out her stupidity people just go that "yeah, well everyone has flaws" but when someone else does they get this "how can you be such an idiot" treatment. Allen might cry a lot, but he also has way more screentime and he never screams as if he was gutted, he mostly just silently weeps. He's battling the Noah memories and suffers from Mana's curse, he's under constant mental pressure lately and can't even ask anyone for help, while Lenalee's surrounded with her friends and just needs to let out a single tear and the half cast goes there to comfort her. I hate chapter 207 for making it OMFG LENALEE IS SAD WHEN ALLEN FIGHTS TO SURVIVE, LAVI IS MISSING AND KANDA IS MOST LIKELY DEAD BUT LENALEE FEELS SO SAD YOU MUST FEEL SORRY FOR HER BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE. She's so worshipped it's disgusting I need Hoshino to write about the female characters who are actually good - so basically everyone else. |
Jan 31, 2016 3:30 AM
#257
allen_is_love said: When Lenalee does something risky it's seen as corageous self-sacrifice but when any other character does it's immense recklessness, it's enraging. Like it's??? A fucking war??? OFC people might be forced to fight like that??? This. People act like it's a huge fucking deal when Lenalee does just what everyone else is doing. I got so mad during the fight with the Level 4 because, jeez, why was Lenalee the only one being coddled? "Oh, she might die!" YEAH, LIKE NO ONE ELSE MIGHT. And when Lavi stopped Leverrier from yelling at her, God. Why does everyone have to treat her like a little princess? Lmao, Lavi, you yelled at Miranda during the fight with Eshi, but you have a problem with people yelling at Lenalee? Wtf? Why can't people just admit that Lenalee gets way more special treatment than other characters for basically no reason? And, if you think about, it, she gets almost three consecutive sections to herself. First, the fight with Eshi. Well, there had already been a lot of focus on her yapping and crying and moaning about her past, but fine, whatever, she gets a huge ass battle with a Level 3 and wins. Okay. That's done. We can focus on other characters, now. Except, no. Even when the spotlight is on Allen, there HAS to be SOME reference to Princess Lenalee, in case the slow-minded audience forgot she existed. Now they're in Edo! And Kanda appears, after not being present for God knows how many chapters. Of course, Lenalee might be the heart, and she HAS to get kidnapped. But she doesn't have powers to fight, so why did Hoshino make her tag along, anyway? Lenalee should have been locked up somewhere by the Noah; that way, the others could have still had their battles (the outcome of the plot wouldn't change) without her constantly getting in the way. But no, that entire arc was 100% dedicated to showing how much people care about Princess Lenalee by saving her ass every five minutes. My only comfort is that Allen at least volunteered to stay with Kanda and told the others to move on without him. Annd then they're back at the Order. Okay. We've had enough of Lenalee. Can we talk about someone else, now? Nope. Because not only do we get more angst about her past, we have to see her get coddled EVEN MORE. Honestly, the point of the Level 4 seemed more to show how speshul and loving and kind and beautiful and vulnerable dear Lenalee is than anything else. How MUCH attention was put on her past and how much she "loves" everyone? Christ. And her angsting didn't even serve to make us learn anything new about her. I think our main problems with Lenalee can be summed up as: 1. She is clearly made to be a character with no flaws, or at least no flaws that are acknowledged and reprimanded by the other characters. When Kanda snaps or is unprofessional, he gets yelled at or gets his ass kicked. Lenalee just gets sympathy. 2. She has way too much screen time when she's not adding anything to the plot. It's annoying. 3. Other characters love her way too much, and it's unrealistic. No one is loved that much. Not in fiction, and not in real life, either. 4. The permanent fanservice. 'Nuff said. |
redstripedsocksJan 31, 2016 11:07 AM
Feb 6, 2016 2:32 PM
#258
| [/quote]This. People act like it's a huge fucking deal when Lenalee does just what everyone else is doing. I got so mad during the fight with the Level 4 because, jeez, why was Lenalee the only one being coddled? "Oh, she might die!" YEAH, LIKE NO ONE ELSE MIGHT. And when Lavi stopped Leverrier from yelling at her, God. Why does everyone have to treat her like a little princess? Lmao, Lavi, you yelled at Miranda during the fight with Eshi, but you have a problem with people yelling at Lenalee? Wtf? Why can't people just admit that Lenalee gets way more special treatment than other characters for basically no reason? [...] I think our main problems with Lenalee can be summed up as: 1. She is clearly made to be a character with no flaws, or at least no flaws that are acknowledged and reprimanded by the other characters. When Kanda snaps or is unprofessional, he gets yelled at or gets his ass kicked. Lenalee just gets sympathy. 2. She has way too much screen time when she's not adding anything to the plot. It's annoying. 3. Other characters love her way too much, and it's unrealistic. No one is loved that much. Not in fiction, and not in real life, either. 4. The permanent fanservice. 'Nuff said. [/quote] You're completely right about this differnet treatment, I hate it so much and everyone just shrugs it off. I wonder if her fangirls just say Ark arc was badly written lol. Also, I don't get this attitude everyone has as if Lenalee defeated that Level 4 on her fucking own, bitch couldn't even scratch the damn thing, neither could Allen, their combined effort and mainly Cross took him down yet everyone is like "Lenalee kicked the ass of the unbeatable Level 4's ass on her own in her pjs". Like what the fuck? Lavi fucking kicked Road's ass, WHO KILLED A GENERAL AND DROVE HIM TO MADNESS, YET I DON'T SEE ANYONE FAPPING TO LAVI LIKE SEE THAT HE FUCKING KICKED ROAD'S ASS WITHOUT THE USE OF INNOCENCE!!! KRORY ALMOST DIED AS HE CAME OUT WITH A TIE FROM THE FIGHT WITH JASDEVI WHERE'S HIS CREDIT?! LENALEE HAVEN'T EVEN FOUGHT A NOAH BEFORE YET EVERYONE ACTS AS IF SHE COULD KICK THEIR ASS! She's so fucking overrated it hurts, Lavi and Krory deserve much more love. And Miranda ofc, she changed so much. I don't even get it why everyone asks where Lenalee is, like she's at the fucking Order growing as fat as she likes? Why not ask what's with Krory, he's having it way worse, his two best friends vanished and he might be forced to kill them, yet no one cares, it's always how Lenalee feels, ugh! Lenalee is the worst filler character I laid eyes on and it's even worse that everyone acts as if she was a decent character. She's nothing but fanservice and it's disgusting how much she's whored out. She is the main reason why the anime sucked. Here I even made a list why the anime sucked: 1. Lenalee 2. Fillers 3. More Lenalee 4. Fillers ABOUT Lenalee 5. Fillers with Lenalee in every fucking episode 6. Fillers about how fucking perfect Lenalee Lee is and how much of a godess she is for putting up with everyone in DGM |
allen_is_loveFeb 7, 2016 3:25 AM
Feb 9, 2016 1:12 PM
#259
allen_is_love said: Also, I don't get this attitude everyone has as if Lenalee defeated that Level 4 on her fucking own, bitch couldn't even scratch the damn thing, neither could Allen, their combined effort and mainly Cross took him down yet everyone is like "Lenalee kicked the ass of the unbeatable Level 4's ass on her own in her pjs". Like what the fuck? Lavi fucking kicked Road's ass, WHO KILLED A GENERAL AND DROVE HIM TO MADNESS, YET I DON'T SEE ANYONE FAPPING TO LAVI LIKE SEE THAT HE FUCKING KICKED ROAD'S ASS WITHOUT THE USE OF INNOCENCE!!! KRORY ALMOST DIED AS HE CAME OUT WITH A TIE FROM THE FIGHT WITH JASDEVI WHERE'S HIS CREDIT?! LENALEE HAVEN'T EVEN FOUGHT A NOAH BEFORE YET EVERYONE ACTS AS IF SHE COULD KICK THEIR ASS! I know, right? She did practically nothing to that Level 4. Cross was the one who killed it, and I'm pretty sure Allen could have done some serious damage to it if he hadn't already been tired out (he'd been fighting for a while already). Lenalee was FRESH on the field - no injuries save a silly cut on her forehead - and she didn't even put a scratch on that thing. She basically helped Allen skewer it with his sword. Is everyone forgetting that Allen and Kanda fought a Level 4 WHILE THEY WERE ALREADY BEATEN BLACK AND BLUE and WON? It really says something about how weak Lenalee is if basically everyone else had to be tied up/without their Innocence for her to look strong. Come to think of it, even the Eshi battle was like that: Lenalee only fought alone because no one else had the ability to fight over water; it wasn't because she was any stronger than them. I swear to God, I'm sure Hoshino doesn't give Lenalee any ugly battle scars just to keep her conventionally pretty, and it pisses me off no end. After the Eshi battle, her clothes and hair were burned off, but her skin was fucking flawless? What the actual fuck? By all logic, she would have suffered serious (and visible) burns from that battle. But nope. Gotta keep the precious princess pretty. What other redeeming quality would she have, otherwise? Everyone's worry about her is so fucking exaggerated. I just remembered that during the Level 4 fight, Cross and Sokaro were willing to kill Miranda to stop Lulu Bell from taking the egg. That would NEVER, EVER have happened if Lenalee was in Miranda's place. You'd have had a huge moment of angst, the generals would have had tears in their eyes, their hands would have shaken, and Lenalee would have had (yet another) flashback. There would have been close-ups of Lenalee's beautiful, heart-wrenching face, and Allen and Lavi would have lost their fucking minds. All Allen did after he saved Miranda was say, "Despicable," to Cross. The only person who genuinely gave a shit was Marie. Yeah, I didn't see it that way about Lavi, but you're right. If Lenalee had done even half of what the others had done, people would be worshiping the ground she walks on (not that they don't already do that). Dealing with Road is not easy, but Lavi figured out a way to do it. And Lenalee fucking PUNCHED him after he emerged from the battle alive? And then she punched Allen, too? Lmao, what, Lenalee, were you sad that Allen and Lavi were having a moment and the attention was taken away from you for like five seconds? What I hate about Lenalee punching the guys is that she KNOWS they won't hit her back. None of them are that cheap or cowardly. If they did, she'd go flying and bash her head against a wall, because judging by the battles they've fought, they are way, way stronger than her, despite the fact that she's been an exorcist since she was a kid (also, she uses her legs, not her arms). Like, it's different when Allen hits Kanda, because Kanda will hit right back; it's fair. I mean, at one point Allen actually, deliberately rips through Kanda with Edge End and with murder written all over his face. But if Lenalee hits Allen, there's no way in Hell he'd hit back. And she does not hit the guys lightly; she hits hard enough to bruise. There's a definite power imbalance and it fucking sickens me. I actually enjoy the anime, but Lenalee's screeching and sobbing and ridiculous screen time is unbearable. She was okay till the end of the Rewinding Town arc; then she went to shit. I'm actually looking forward to the new anime, because, thank the Lord, the focus is not on her at all for now. |
redstripedsocksFeb 9, 2016 1:26 PM
Feb 11, 2016 7:10 PM
#260
| I know, it's fucking unbelievable that people call her strong. She was part of the Order ever since she was 6, that's 11 years yet she couldn't even take on multiple Level 2s on her own. What's up with that? And then without Innocence she's bloody fucking useless, how can such a weak person wield Innocence?! The battle with Eshii would have been much more reasonable if Lenalee destroyed those Level 2s that bombed the ship instead of trying to take on e Level 3 she had no chance against. And then go around throw a bitchfit when someone else risk their lives in a fight. Heaven forbid people realise she's a shitty weak-ass character. I roll my eyes every time someone calls her strong. If she just destroyed those Level 2s pronto then they could have taken down that Level 3 together, but NO, the world must know how unique Lenalee is and become the first Exorcist to be saved by an Equipment Type innocence. Because NO ONE ELSE IN THE ORDER'S HISTORY FOUGHT READY TO SACRIFICE THEIR LIVES. THE WORLD MUST KNOW HOW SPECIAL SHE IS! Just think about it, ANITA MIGHT HAVE SURVIVED THE WHOLE ORDEAL IF LENALEE DIDN'T GO SHOW OFF. (I FUCKING ADORED ANITA, OKAY?!) And the scars! Those fucking shoes melted on her skin, why didn't they leave a permanent mark?! Oh, right, becuase then Lenalee would lose the status of being the beyootiful gurl everyone falls for - her only mean of "usefulness". To compensate Hoshino posted something like the wound on her ankle stings. The horror. I fucking despise those "love punches". Actually it's funny to see everyone being so anti-violence, but if godess Lenalee punches you in the face you deserve it. Interesting double standard. I cheered on Devitto when he hit her but told him not to rape her, he might get something worse than Lenalee's constant crying. Even though the focus is not on her I hear a lot of people call for her. And I'm like: why on earth are you worried about her, she's fucking fine, where's Lavi?! And where the fuck is Allen, why you worry about her when Allen is fucking dying?! On the other hand, I'm glad that characters like Johnny, Link and Neah came into the foreground (and Kanda will too), not just always Lenalee, it's so fucking annoying that she's there for no reason. We better enjoy the chapters until she turns up to ruin everything again like always. I didn't really pay attention to her in the beginning, but I was really mad that she hit Allen. She didn't know Allen's pain nor did she try to understand, she just decided that she was the princess and ultimate justice and what she doesn't approve of is a no-no and had Allen humiliate himself in public because they are friends. Bitch, friends don't bully each other, especially not with your passive aggressive bullshit you try to cover with your pathetic excuses. Nice person my ass I swear to god, if they dare to once again put her in every fucking episode I'll give 2 points less than it deserves. |
Feb 12, 2016 10:03 AM
#261
allen_is_love said: I know, it's fucking unbelievable that people call her strong. She was part of the Order ever since she was 6, that's 11 years yet she couldn't even take on multiple Level 2s on her own. What's up with that? And then without Innocence she's bloody fucking useless, how can such a weak person wield Innocence?! [...] Even though the focus is not on her I hear a lot of people call for her. And I'm like: why on earth are you worried about her, she's fucking fine, where's Lavi?! And where the fuck is Allen, why you worry about her when Allen is fucking dying?! On the other hand, I'm glad that characters like Johnny, Link and Neah came into the foreground (and Kanda will too), not just always Lenalee, it's so fucking annoying that she's there for no reason. We better enjoy the chapters until she turns up to ruin everything again like always. I didn't really pay attention to her in the beginning, but I was really mad that she hit Allen. She didn't know Allen's pain nor did she try to understand, she just decided that she was the princess and ultimate justice and what she doesn't approve of is a no-no and had Allen humiliate himself in public because they are friends. Bitch, friends don't bully each other, especially not with your passive aggressive bullshit you try to cover with your pathetic excuses. Nice person my ass I swear to god, if they dare to once again put her in every fucking episode I'll give 2 points less than it deserves. Eleven years, and she can neither fight without Innocence nor scrape together the mental strength to deal with Akuma on her own. I Lol'd during the Level 4 fight. Literally everyone - regardless of how traumatic their past was or how scared they were - except Lenalee all but barged their way into the battle because they wanted to help. Because they actually cared. Because stopping this goddamn attack was more important than their feelings. And then we have Lenalee, our oh-so-tragic heroine, who has fought numerous battles since she was a kid, huddling against the head nurse, hunching her shoulders, crying (woah, big surprise), and being told there's no escape and that she has to fight. Gee, I wonder how Kanda felt when he rushed in to save Komui despite the Order having, you know, tortured him and made him kill his only friend. Or how Miranda felt knowing that the generals of the place she finally felt accepted in were willing to kill her to get to the Akuma egg. Or how the scientists felt putting their lives on the line despite the fact that fighting Akuma isn't even in their goddamn job description. But you know what I find really strange? During the Ark arc, Lenalee constantly insisted that she could fight, that she WANTED to fight. She put herself in harm's way, apparently to help her comrades, but mostly was just a huge burden (seriously, how stupid can a person be? Just stay out of the fucking way if you can't fight). Okay. So now we have a powerful ass Level 4 attacking the place she lorves so very, very much, and killing her supposed friends - and where has all that willingness to fight gone? She went from "Let me fight! I must put myself in harm's way despite the fact that it will do absolutely nothing, and in essence I am just throwing my life away for no reason" to "Oh my gawd, everyone is dying but I suddenly cannot gather the mental strength to just barge past Leverrier and demand the Innocence from Hevlaska so I can actually help." What happened to that supposed impatient determination to protect her friends? Where did all that go? She's been in life-or-death battles before (e.g. the Eshi battle). Wtf makes this one so different? In the Ark, she had everyone saving her ass. Of course she'd feel confident in bragging about how she could fight without her Innocence (despite the fact that she could barely walk). Now that everyone including Allen is busy getting their asses handed to them, she doesn't. Yeah, I didn't pay much attention to her in the beginning, either. She was an okay character to me. Not memorable. Neither good nor bad. Just sort of...there. Then every male character in the series became her fanboy and I thought, "Wtf? Why is this even happening?" I would understand their obsession if Lenalee was any more interesting than other female characters, but that's not true. Does she really think that she has a right to slap Allen, even if she's angry with him? Literally every time she wants people to react a certain way, she starts crying. Poor Allen can't ever relax around her, because he's too busy trying not to hurt her fragile feelings. Passive aggressive is right. Oh God, I never thought of that. If they shove her in the middle of Kanda's arc, I will flip a table. I'm pretty sure the new show will have a load of fillers, because honestly, the manga isn't that far ahead of the anime as it is. Please, PLEASE, for the love of God, let Kanda's arc be about Kanda. I was so happy that her stupid face didn't turn up during that whole section in the manga (except in passing), but Christ knows what the animators will decide to do. |
redstripedsocksFeb 15, 2016 6:12 AM
Feb 14, 2016 11:30 AM
#262
| Right?! It's always about how she feels and never anyone else! Always how poor little Lenalee suffers! Heh, she must have realised how pathetic she was yowling that she suffered and how powerless she was without Innocence, then see how Lavi and Kanda heroically put their lives on the line, knowing that they had zero chance against the Akuma. Despite the crisis they still acted like pros and didn't bawl how shitty they felt. Everyone goes on and on about how much she cares. Yeah, well that's the least you can expect from a friend, no?! Pretty much everyone else does the same, yet everyone acts like she was the only one fighting for her friends. Besides, I wouldn't cal someone who pulls shit like passive agression caring. She clearly doesn't care how Allen feels, she only cares about herself, yet the majority fails to see that. Allen genuinely cares about people's happiness, he proved it when he was ready to forgive Suman despite his betrayal. Lenalee just fears that she remains without people she can leech on. She's way overrated. I admit I haven't thought of fillers, but now that you mention it yeah, they will most likely give us another round of bullshit (I'm not fan of fillers). You know what would be great? If they gave Lavi excessive amount of screentime. He's so underrated! |
Feb 16, 2016 7:22 AM
#263
allen_is_love said: Heh, she must have realised how pathetic she was yowling that she suffered and how powerless she was without Innocence, then see how Lavi and Kanda heroically put their lives on the line, knowing that they had zero chance against the Akuma. Despite the crisis they still acted like pros and didn't bawl how shitty they felt. But of course no one expects her to act professional. :) Imagine that. :) Lenalee having flaws that other characters genuinely dislike. :) Her actually being three dimensional. :) The horror. :) I might actually feel quite sorry/have some admiration for Lenalee if other characters didn't act like she was some flawless goddess who needs to be babied and spoon-fed and treated extra-gently, and if Lenalee herself wasn't given so much unnecessary screen time. Oh, and I've noticed something very interesting on forums that discuss Lenalee: sometimes I find that people who like Lenalee only do so because she's cute. I've actually come across comments like "How could you not like a pretty girl?" and "I liked her because she was pretty, then she lost her hair and wasn't cute anymore". Lmao. I'll tell you how I could not like a pretty girl: she's badly written, and I appreciate characters who change and develop for the better - not characters that are implied to be perfect to begin with. I have no desire to root for someone who's got practically the entire cast as her cheerleaders for no reason (well, the reason is that she's an author's favourite - but there's no discernible reason in the animanga itself). Like, I can tell why characters latch onto Allen: he makes you feel like you're important, like you matter whether or not you're his friend, without invading your privacy or demanding explanations. Even when he was concerned for Kanda's seal at the end of the Ark arc, he didn't push it. Kanda didn't want to talk about it, and Allen didn't force him. Compare that to the way Lenalee just GRABS Allen's arm when she suspects there's something wrong, and the way she just randomly hugs him, even when he's clearly not comfortable with the gesture. Even then, I can understand why some characters (Kanda, Chaoji, etc.) dislike Allen or get annoyed with him. It's made pretty clear. His all-loving-hero persona can get irritating/frustrating for some people. And that's just realistic. I can tell why characters get pissed with Kanda: they don't know his story, and anyway, dealing with someone so surly can be difficult. At the same time, I can see why characters like Johnny are so grateful for him: Kanda was under zero obligation to come back and work for the place that took away everything from him, but he did it, anyway - because he felt he owed it to Allen. And Johnny clearly appreciates Kanda's sense of justice. I cannot for the life of me understand people's reactions to Lenalee, other than how manipulative she is ("If you don't do exactly as I tell you, I'm going to cry/punch you/tell my brother!"). What I don't get is WHY people care so much. Why do Allen and Lavi care so much if she cries? They don't care when Miranda cries. They don't care when Komui cries. They don't lose their shit when Lo Fa or Bak cries. I just don't get it. And I'm sure someone's gonna spring the whole, "Oh, but Queen Lena CARES, u see, she CARES for hur freindzz! iT makez sense for people to lorve hur!1!one!" Yeah, except EVERYONE cares. I'm not buying the whole "She is so sweet/sensitive/caring/selfless" crap. There are other characters who fit those criteria. Miranda. Marie. Komui. Alma. Just to name a few. I also noticed how, during the Allen vs Lavi battle, there was a great example of the 'Arson, Murder, Jaywalking' trope. Allen tries to bring Lavi back and says that Kanda is still fighting...and Lenalee is crying. I actually leaned back and stared at the ceiling in disbelief because DID ALLEN REALLY JUST COMPARE KANDA POSSIBLY LOSING HIS LIFE TO LENALEE FUCKING CRYING? The way he reacts to her crying, you'd think that her tears are the symbol of some looming catastrophe that will wipe half the human population off the Earth. Literally like: "Yo, Lavi, I know this one friend of ours is possibly dead/being tortured/being held hostage...no, wait, that's not really important. But this little author's favourite is crying and it's soooo important, so you gotta come back." And Lenalee goes and says, "That's unfair, Road!" And I laughed. I actually laughed. Does she even realise she is talking to a sadistic Noah? OF COURSE IT'S UNFAIR; THIS IS ROAD FUCKING KAMELOT. SHE STABBED ALLEN IN THE EYE, REMEMBER? Jesus, if I were Lenalee, I'd just keep my trap shut knowing that if I piss off Road, things could get way uglier than they already are. That fight is just littered with pictures of Lenalee's crying face and I seriously cannot stand it. It could have been one of the best fights in DGM, but she had to ruin it. |
redstripedsocksFeb 18, 2016 11:25 AM
Feb 16, 2016 2:02 PM
#264
redstripedsocks said: I might actually feel quite sorry/have some admiration for Lenalee if other characters didn't act like she was some flawless goddess who needs to be babied and spoon-fed and treated extra-gently, and if Lenalee herself wasn't given so much unnecessary screen time. Same. I even had hope for her when she said "because you're going to be the one that gets destroyed" that!!! maybe she has sass!!! I didn't pay attention to her before since she was nothing more than a filler character, so no one would complain that there are no girls. I was even willing to let the slapping thing slide - since she said she would apologize to Lavi (OFC she didn't) - but no, she fucking had to became a bawling machine and get worshipped for no reason whatsoever. Let's love a completely superficial character because she cares. Great. redstripedsocks said: Oh, and I've noticed something very interesting on forums that discuss Lenalee: often I find that people who like Lenalee only do so because she's cute. I've actually come across comments like "How could you not like a pretty girl?" and "I liked her because she was pretty, then she lost her hair and wasn't cute anymore". Lmao. I'll tell you how I could not like a pretty girl: she's badly written, and I appreciate characters who change and develop for the better - not characters that are implied to be perfect to begin with. I have no desire to root for someone who's got practically the entire cast as her cheerleaders for no reason (well, the reason is that she's an author's favourite - but there's no discernible reason in the animanga itself). Like, I can tell why characters latch onto Allen: he makes you feel like you're important, like you matter whether or not you're his friend, without invading your privacy or demanding explanations. Even when he was concerned for Kanda's seal at the end of the Ark arc, he didn't push it. Kanda didn't want to talk about it, and Allen didn't force him. Compare that to the way Lenalee just GRABS Allen's arm when she suspects there's something wrong, and the way she just randomly hugs him, even when he's clearly not comfortable with the gesture. Even then, I can understand why some characters (Kanda, Chaoji, etc.) dislike Allen or get annoyed with him. It's made pretty clear. His all-loving-hero persona can get irritating/frustrating for some people. And that's just realistic. I can tell why characters get pissed with Kanda: they don't know his story, and anyway, dealing with someone so surly can be difficult. At the same time, I can see why characters like Johnny are so grateful for him: Kanda was under zero obligation to come back and work for the place that took away everything from him, but he did it, anyway - because he felt he owed it to Allen. And Johnny clearly appreciates Kanda's sense of justice. I cannot for the life of me understand people's reactions to Lenalee, other than how manipulative she is ("If you don't do exactly as I tell you, I'm going to cry/punch you/tell my brother!"). What I don't get is WHY people care so much. Why do Allen and Lavi care so much if she cries? They don't care when Miranda cries. They don't care when Komui cries. They don't lose their shit when Lo Fa or Bak cries. I just don't get it. And I'm sure someone's gonna spring the whole, "Oh, but Queen Lena CARES, u see, she CARES for hur freindzz! iT makez sense for people to lorve hur!1!one!" Yeah, except EVERYONE cares. I'm not buying the whole "She is so sweet/sensitive/caring/selfless" crap. There are other characters who fit those criteria. Miranda. Marie. Komui. Alma. Just to name a few. Wait. That's it? The reason why people like Lenalee is because she's pretty?! What the fuck man?! Ugh, what did I even expect, no one gave a rat's ass about the Earl until he turned out to be a former bishi either. Miranda is much more deserving to be called a queen, I mean, she can control time! How badass is that! redstripedsocks said: I also noticed how, during the Allen vs Lavi battle, there was a great example of the 'Arson, Murder, Jaywalking' trope. Allen tries to bring Lavi back and says that Kanda is still fighting...and Lenalee is crying. I actually leaned back and stared at the ceiling in disbelief because DID ALLEN REALLY JUST COMPARE KANDA POSSIBLY LOSING HIS LIFE TO LENALEE FUCKING CRYING? The way he reacts to her crying, you'd think that her tears are the symbol of some looming catastrophe that will wipe half the human population off the Earth. Literally like: "Yo, Lavi, I know this one friend of ours is possibly dead/being tortured/being held hostage...no, wait, that's not really important. But this little author's favourite is crying and it's soooo important, so you gotta come back." And Lenalee goes and says, "That's unfair, Road!" And I laughed. I actually laughed. Does she even realise she is talking to a sadistic Noah? OF COURSE IT'S UNFAIR; THIS IS ROAD FUCKING KAMELOT. SHE STABBED ALLEN IN THE EYE, REMEMBER? Jesus, if I were Lenalee, I'd just keep my trap shut knowing that if I piss off Road, things could get way uglier than they already are. That fight is just littered with pictures of Lenalee's crying face and I seriously cannot stand it. It could have been one of the best fights in DGM, but she had to ruin it. Darling, what did you expect, this is DGM, it doesn't matter who or how many does what horrible death, all that matter how Lenalee feels about it, because she cares and the loss makes her oh so sad that she cries. |
Feb 19, 2016 9:26 AM
#265
allen_is_love said: Same. I even had hope for her when she said "because you're going to be the one that gets destroyed" that!!! maybe she has sass!!! I didn't pay attention to her before since she was nothing more than a filler character, so no one would complain that there are no girls. I was even willing to let the slapping thing slide - since she said she would apologize to Lavi (OFC she didn't) - but no, she fucking had to became a bawling machine and get worshipped for no reason whatsoever. Let's love a completely superficial character because she cares. Great. She was okay till the Eshi battle. I felt there was some foreshadowing of what her character was to become, at least in the anime. There'd been a lot of focus on her being angsty about her past, as well as the beginnings of fanboyishness in basically every male character in the series: Bookman calling her 'Miss Lena', Allen getting overly worried just because Road dressed her up as a doll (??), and the cultish cheering of the science department every time she so much as breathed. Frankly, I got the feeling that I'd end up disliking her in the part when everyone went apeshit insane, crying and screaming, at the thought of Lenalee becoming "macho" due to Komurin - I thought it was silly and incredibly shallow, and hinted that there was going to be an excessive amount of focus in the series on her looks alone (which I was right about). Really shows why the characters value Lenalee: her...looks. Yeah. But during and after the Eshi battle? Dear. Lord. Everyone SUDDENLY becomes her bitch. And I mean everyone. Why the fuck did Anita even give her those precious family ornaments? She's known Lenalee for how long exactly? Ugh. Even Cross. CROSS. Why the fuck does he so much courtesy towards her? He's a sleazy, disrespectful bastard (I still like him, though. He's really interesting), only marginally less rude than Kanda. He fucking bludgeoned Allen in the head, but he's sooo gentle with Lenalee. Jfc. At least Allen refused to listen to her after Lavi and Chaoji fell off and just charged straight at the Earl despite the fact that she was yelling at him to stop. |
Feb 19, 2016 9:47 AM
#266
| I don't even see why her looks matter or get mentioned so often, she looks the exact same as Miranda, she just has curly hair. The "macho" part decieved me, I said that yeah! A female character who won't be the beautiful, untouchable girl. Hoshino proved me otherwise. Cross is like that with every woman, so there's no need to worry. But I do get mad when people say he stayed becaused she asked so. If he wanted to run he wouldn't have showed up in the Order, he would have invoked Magdala Curtain or use the Ark. He clearly decided to stay because he promised the 14th to look after his vessel and OFC because he cared about Allen enough to at least not leave him alone. |
Mar 29, 2016 11:51 AM
#267
| Wow, I was so glad she didn't turn up in the promo, yet she's in the trailer and what's the first thing she does? Flashing her fucking panties. I can smell so much fanservice on the way. Strangely enough no one was bitching when Lavi wasn't present in the first anime's promo, yet everyone is ok to call this one sexist because the bitch wasn't on the poster - which is a fucking blessing. Double standards much? |
Jul 8, 2022 1:09 PM
#268
| v late but,,, i have a lot of thoughts so i'll vent welp where do i even start,,, lenalee is just. bad. mediocre idea, terrible execution. bad personality and badly written. expected a lot better from the author who is likewise a woman. expected lot better assessment from the audience but people only seem to love her because she is pretty and she fights or make up fanon to make her more interesting while as a character she is very disappointing. feels like the author wanted lenalee to be everything and she turned out as nothing. all the while there are barely other major female characters and they barely have screen. her entire concept is a headscratcher. someone who in theory has been fighting for all her life yet acts as if she was the newbie. how did she manage to stay alive when on the ark she kept trying to jump into fights? and people call allen stupid, when for him there was no real choice,,, and i don't get this push and pull she has with innocence like. it sucks to be in war, on the frontline nonetheless, but you were just shown how powerless you are without it and how much you need it to protect your own,,, so why then blame the innocence when the noah are the danger to you and the order was the one forcing you into this? for someone claimed to be so smart she is not very bright. and speaking of that i just. really, really hate that hoshino tries to retcon her offscreen. 'i swear she is very interesting!! check out my notes!! she is totally not an insert of someone i love and idolise blindly to the degree it hurts my writing'. every interesting bit about her is off screen. her surviving leverrier. her killing goushi. her caring about her loved ones so much but then only be shown to mourn for allen, 6 other exorcists were not even mentioned by name. trying to lay down allena bits when a cardboard has more character,,, when link was introduced and shown to be a crow i wondered maybe! maybe now we get some actual interesting character development! but hoshino can't not have her be the most perfectest ethereal all-too-important being if she was put in a complicated situation like that, if lenalee was a human like everyone else that means she isn't a flawless beauty and that is what hoshino, stans and the universe of dgm seems to care about. going off fanart, where half of the time we get her with panty flash, the only reason people care for her because she is traditionally pretty, the fanservice, the radical notion that a girl can fight and an admittedly cool abilitywhich flops when her character can't support that hype. it is a headache when stans so incritically stan her they look past all her shitty traits, paint any criticism as mysoginy and then bash and nerf male characters to make her look better. the 2006 anime is very guilty of this too, allen was made into a dumb, needy and annoying kind of selfish asshole, that awesome lightnovel about him was completely overwritten. allen facing his innermost darkness and the notion he may have to kill people? nah, better to have nurse lenalee with glasses bc it's cute and quarky and too many people lap it up. cross who is extra in the manga but is a complete sociopath in the anime. krory who is a sheltered introvert is suddenly wanting fame... as part of a secret orgnasation. komui invents a material that repels innocence but then lenalee destroys it. the entire story is warped for some hashtag girlboss nonsense. lenalee had like 2 cool moments and that apparently overrules pretty jarring problems in her. is2g zone's lenalee was better bc then hoshino did make robin call her out for being a crybaby. i would be ok with the crying if the world didn't revolve aorund it, it is so annoying when characters get beaten up bad and nearly die and the main concern is her feelings. the center of the world is lenalee and her feelings. "it'd be bad if x died bc lenalee would be sad :(". the difference when allen goes MIA and she does is jarring. aside from levi and lenalee no one cared allen could be dead and could have been torturekilled by the enemy, not even crowley or miranda who lean on him so much. when lenalee returns everyone returns her warmly. when allen returns only lenalee does. only lenalee and her feelings matter. then let's not even talk about levi, she barely pays him any mind. even the relationship with kanda feels so strained bc a lot of it is written off screen. on topic of relationships,,, she isn't a very good friend tbh. i already knew i wouldn't like her when she slapped allen and then made a show out of making him apologize because he didn't trust her,,, after 3 months of meeting,,, she never makes an attempt to empathise with others and see where they are coming from, she is very self-centered. which could be interesting but she is treated as this untouchable deity. she can slap and punch levi, kanda and allen while those three never raised a hand and it is still ok. that's her 'being the mom friend' who puts up with all these dumb guys. but when allen actually needs support she is completely useless. so many times he suffers and other than being shown to worry she doesn't actually do anythin about it. people accuse johnny for being author's pet for being similar to her but johnny realised when he was putting pressure on allen and worked to improve. he did more in the few chapters he appeared in than the 'heroine'. road did more to be helpful! bad personality and temper. bad execution. self-contradicting writing, a lot of problems with 'show don't tell'. all around just bad. not at all deserving the hype or importance delegated to ehr, she doesn't have no special role nor an interesting perspective that actually adds to the story, she is literally just there, hailed as the 'heroine' because she looks cute. i'd say i hope hoshino will fix her but she probably won't, lenalee is an idol after all, beauty and perfect image is above everything else |
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