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Apr 26, 2012 12:32 PM

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Hmm... kinda torn here. So Jack is just love-crazy, which isn't very respectable to me. But, he has sympathetic reasons to love Lacie so much, and his love is completely selfless and pure. Despite all the stuff he went through in his life, and despite all the sex he's undoubtedly had, he just wants Lacie to be the one pure and innocent thing in his life. She's sacred and he exists to worship her, as Orulyon said. His motivation is incredibly irresponsible yet hopelessly romantic.

If Lacie is really still around in some form, "one with the Abyss," I can maybe find the motive sympathetic. But what could he hope to accomplish that way? What kind of world could he bring to her? Even if he drops everyone in, they'll just become twisted and transform into chains. Is this why Glen ordered the Baskervilles to kill everyone in Sablier? To save them from that fate? There's still a lot of questions for me. The same questions Jack was trying to ask Glen: why do the Baskervilles want to destroy/control the Will? what do they want to do with that power? I wouldn't trust anyone with it.

We've seen that Alyss is terribly lonely herself, and has sent Lacie's memories to Jack. But did she really think he'd react this way? Did she, as Jack seems to think, create Black Rabbit to bring the world into the Abyss? I don't know. She was awfully surprised by the Sablier tragedy during Break's flashback, and was in agony over it. She no longer even wants to be the Will. She also still has a bizarre love/hate relationship with Jack. She pursues him, yet she also has a hatred for him.

Who was the Alice from the past who said she wouldn't let Jack do what he did? Black or White Alice? We have lots of memories of "Alice" being infatuated with Jack... I'm still unclear which Alice that was, but I think it was White Alice. This makes for another mind-bending relationship: Alyss loves Jack (the guy who spent so much time with her and made her feel special), Alice loves Oz (her favorite toy that she thinks Jack broke and is now reborn in the flesh).

The past is repeating itself, but in new ways. This gives me hope that maybe this time Jack will succeed, everyone will fall in, and the climax will take place within the Abyss. I've always wanted to see a direct encounter with the Will on her own turf again.
Apr 26, 2012 12:59 PM

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Lacie was asimilated by the abyss so she is like those white particles which i think are life and memories...maybe after Jack understood that he then accepted that he cannot return Lacie back as she is no more...but at the same time she remains a part of the abyss
Btw Alyss seems like she remembers time before she was born after all she remembered Lacie so i guess she inherited the memories from that white form Lacie talked with.
Was it ever explained whether you could go back in time via the abyss power or is impossible...i don't remember
Apr 26, 2012 2:00 PM

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Why does everything just keep going from bad to worse?

Why are so many horrible things happening at the same time?

Leo is still bleeding on the floor isn't he?

I can't think about plot, I'm being distracted by the heartbreak.
Apr 26, 2012 4:46 PM

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Neiru2012 said:
Who was the Alice from the past who said she wouldn't let Jack do what he did? Black or White Alice? We have lots of memories of "Alice" being infatuated with Jack... I'm still unclear which Alice that was, but I think it was White Alice. This makes for another mind-bending relationship: Alyss loves Jack (the guy who spent so much time with her and made her feel special), Alice loves Oz (her favorite toy that she thinks Jack broke and is now reborn in the flesh).

The one who said was probably Black Alice 'cause the White Alice was the one who sent the memories through Oz, so she wouldn't be so surprised by seeing him being destroyed by it. The same Alice who screams at Jack is the same one who says "I won't let you do that!" to him. I hardly doubt that W. Alice would switch places with B. Alice just to proclaim those words.

Dreamtime said:
Was it ever explained whether you could go back in time via the abyss power or is impossible...i don't remember

Many people made contracts with chains in order to change the past, even Break did. However Alyss can't really control the time, she may change the past, but not the way she wants to.
Modified by Liinah, Apr 26, 2012 4:50 PM
Apr 26, 2012 7:07 PM

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I think Alyss can change the past in whatever way she wants... it's just not usually how you want her to. She did make it so that the Sinclair family wasn't massacred during the incident that Break asked her to change, but it's not like Break also asked for nothing bad to ever happen to the Sinclair family. Alyss changes particular events. Past that, she doesn't concern herself with how the new timeline will flow.
Apr 27, 2012 4:40 PM

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Mmm.. I don't think she can. Or else she would have gone back in time to prevent Jack from dying, unless she really wanted the Sablier tragedy to happen.
Apr 27, 2012 5:52 PM

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I guess it depends on how coherent she is, or whether she has to be specifically asked by somebody, or do it in exchange for something.
Apr 28, 2012 9:19 AM

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So happy to see Alice back. I liked the flash back and everything but I missed seeing Alice.
Apr 28, 2012 10:35 AM

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I think we still gonna have some flashbacks. Jack will see Alice and probably remember of how she got in his way 100 years ago or something.
at least that's what i'm hoping for.
Apr 29, 2012 5:36 PM
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Dreamtime said:
All you got from this chapter was that Jack was insane ..... thats just stupid...The whole pandora hearts world is messed up and Jack actually found something that he wanted so much he based his life around it.And he never was lust driven he aways kept his distance
The world never had any meaning to Jack his world was Lacie and i actually love how pure he is in contrast to every other evil antagonist. He is pretty much my favourite character from the start and made me like him more
And seeing Lacie's realisation made me even more sad...even if her appearance in the story was short she clearly is far superior to any other female cast from the manga

Lust: "Lust is an emotion or feeling of intense desire in the body."

I never said that he DIDN'T keep his distance. Just that he was lust driven. By that, I meant that his whole existence was dedicated for a woman and hence my usage of the word lust. But whatevs. :P just clarifying.

I agree Jack is quite the character.
May 2, 2012 12:34 PM
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So are the Sealing Stones holding the chains that prevent the world from sinking into the Abyss? If Jack broke those chains back then causing the Tragedy and Oswald's body parts were used to fix them and stop the world from sinking?
May 2, 2012 1:12 PM

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The Sealing Stones kept Jack in a 'slumber' within Oz I thoguh but well not like everything really makes sense at this point. :P
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May 3, 2012 1:01 AM

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PH is nearing the ending, isn't it? Most mysteries are currently being solved.

My life is rapidly approaching lack of sense.
May 3, 2012 2:34 AM
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Then the stones are not really working as they should, as Jack was able to take control of Oz's (or his own) body even when all five stones were still intact. It's more like he grows stronger as the seal advances.

Also, there is an earthquake every time a Sealing Stone is broken. Here they are talking about it and on the next page we see a chain breaking. DUN DUN DUUUN
Modified by Akzel, May 3, 2012 3:26 AM
May 7, 2012 9:42 AM

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I was never expecting Jack to have a really great explanation for what he did, but now that he really does not I sort of lost most of my respect for him. I mean, that is all nice and cute but... just no.
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May 8, 2012 4:14 PM

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Well, Ive been thinking and indeed like Neiru said, if Jack throws everyone on the Abyss, they will probably become chains or something. It will be total chaos.
But the thing is...Jack says he wants to give the world Lacie loved to her, and I dont believe he thinks that making everyone chains would be Lacie´s ideal of the world she loved, it seems to me that he wants to deliver her the world just as it is, not making it warped.

It somehow makes weird sense to, i dont remember but wasnt it told that when the abyss was created it was pure light?
what if by merging the abyss with this world, the Abyss becomes light again or a place that resembles this world? (aka: a true wonderland and not just a place of madness).

one way or another i dont think he will succeed.

Definitely the one who opposed Jack´s plans was the Black Alice. And since she appears wearing the same dress as the day she was killed, i guess Jack really did kill her, otherwise she wouldnt have ripped her memories apart. I mean she liked Jack a lot too, and being killed by someone you trust is enough for you to want to forget everything.
White Alice asked Break to save Black Alice right? It means Jack might want to kill her again because she is going to interfere in his masterplan.
I believe at the moment the only ally Jack has is White Alice, and perhaps she agreed with his plan firstly because she loves him, and secondly because there is a possibility that if the two worlds are merged, she would stop being the Intention.

Also random crazy theory:
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May 10, 2012 8:30 PM

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Jack was really pissing me of for the longest time but i actually really enjoy his motives. it enhances the feelings of all the characters and their motives as well. alice's "theres no way ill let you do that" was amazing. and im soooo happy shes back!!!!!!!!!!!!!

im sad that if the mysteries are all wrapping up like this that the manga may be in the last leg of its journey T_T i love ph so much.

Lacie really sold me on her character this chapter too. she had feelings after all. her lonsomeness really puts the entire concept of the Abyss into consideration.

but damn Alice was just so epic this chapter. i can hardly wait for the next one ahhh
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May 10, 2012 10:11 PM

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I'm starting to think Alice killed herself to sever a link between the human world and the Abyss core or something. That'd be the most efficient way to stop Jack maybe. Yes, I'm sure it's been suggested before... I'm slow. XD
Nov 29, 2015 4:35 AM

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I fangirl raged when Duke Obama(Or whatever the fuck)pinned down Break with the dodo. I love Break too much. But at least Gil's probably gonna help him out.
Alice, back in action! Oh yes, and she's up against Jack? Even better.
Alice best girl btw.
Dec 4, 2015 10:21 AM

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Alice is back in action! But I wonder how she got into the memories of Jack/Oz or whatever that place.
Sep 9, 12:44 AM

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Jack really needs to chill a bit, there's more than just Lacie.
Good to see Alice again!