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Sep 9, 2008 7:19 PM

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I dont want to put anyone on the spot, but how does a 4-month old member get over 80% 100+ helpfuls in his reviews and he's a relatively unknown person?

Granted the reviews are good but someone hitting 130+ helpfuls for a review he made 10 days ago where as it takes everyone else 1-2 years to accumulate the same amount for one review? Is this guy writing reviews that rivals that of great writers or something? It just doesn't add up to me? Considering the person small activity.

Oh well i was just browsing the reviews section to read the "most Popular" reviews and this guy had at the time, 5 out of the 10 slots filled in the "most popular" so i was just curious. Granted there are quite a few 100+ helpfuls that get to the most popular spot but a review posted 14 days ago to get that amount is something i havent seen before in this website.

http://myanimelist.net/reviews.php?uid=58731
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Sep 9, 2008 7:21 PM

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i dont think it adds up either


 
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Sep 9, 2008 7:41 PM

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is he cheating? lol I dont see why someone would do that or how they could but it is a little strange.
 
 
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Sep 9, 2008 7:48 PM

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A flaw in the system?
 
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Sep 9, 2008 7:54 PM

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i dont see how its suspicious, length of membership doesn't mean much maybe people just find those reviews really helpful its not like every single review he has made has 100+ helpful hits, i dont see how he would benefit by cheating, personally i have hit helpful on some of those reviews.
 
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Sep 9, 2008 8:00 PM

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Well theres even a club that specializes on reviews and even they dont break over 100+ that fast :P

the quality is there but i do see the numbers a little wacky. Someone with those kind of numbers you'd assume be quite popular or something rite? Well thats the first time i've ever seen that many reviews gain such a high score so fast considering i've been here for the past few years

well if anything, this thread its kind of like free promotion :P

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Sep 9, 2008 8:03 PM

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I don't think it's any big deal. (Lawl FLCL)
 
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Sep 9, 2008 8:28 PM

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So I wasn't the only one who noticed...

I was thinking he might have a few friends from other forums or something. Heck, even the 4-person review teams of C&C couldn't get numbers like that in so short a time.
 
 
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Sep 9, 2008 8:42 PM

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at the bottom of the page when looking for anime you see the reviews made for that certain anime, still dont see how this is suspicious, dont be haters.
 
Sep 9, 2008 9:12 PM

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I was curious since those were pretty lengthy reviews, so I put my on my internet detective hat.

By copying and pasting a line here or there into google, I'm getting different review sources back.

Some guy in Romania (Scrapped Princess)
Some guy named Peter (Fairy Tail)

I stopped looking after that, but as you can see, his reviews are almost all straight copy/pastes from other reviewers. My curiosity has been satiated, so I leave it to someone else to take it farther if they want.


 
Sep 9, 2008 9:34 PM

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After copying whole sentences and paragraphs and doing several Google searches, here are a few identical hits:

Samurai Champloo
Ergo Proxy
Baccano!
Hunter x Hunter
Claymore
Gunslinger Girl
Berserk
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Seto no Hanayome
Death Note
Read or Die
Rurouni Kenshin
Darker Than Black
Spiral
Perfect Blue
Gurren Lagann
Legend of Galactic Heroes
Air Gear
Serial Experiments Lain
Elfen Lied
Golgo 13
Revolutionary Girl Utena
etc.

Either
a) this guy goes by multiple identities and posts at various reviews on different websites, or
b) he's "borrowing" this stuff.
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Sep 9, 2008 10:00 PM

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Eh. give the man some credit. He probably spends more time doing those reviews than i do writing essays and shit (schoolwork xD) at home.
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"Sanity is overrated."
 
Sep 10, 2008 12:48 AM

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Maybe there is just a recent exponential burst in demand for information on Akira.
 
Sep 10, 2008 12:53 AM

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yakyuu-addict said:
Maybe there is just a recent exponential burst in demand for information on Akira.

i lol'd

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Sep 10, 2008 1:18 AM

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yakyuu-addict said:
Maybe there is just a recent exponential burst in demand for information on Akira.

Hah!







This guy is my fucking hero.

Well, besides the plagiarism, the question of how the votes appeared is still unanswered.

Note: I realized only after uploading three of the images that I could have just shoved it all into one. Oh well.
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Sep 10, 2008 3:24 AM

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Well true it is a bit of a mystery how someone, previously unknown, was able to accumulate all those Helpful votes but I've got nothing against him, seeing how he's filling this site with some good reviews. Much better than the shit that's constantly being submitted, like this one...

Ryltar said:

Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann
This is a great anime. Full of energy and spirit. Make sure you have plenty to do after words, because it will leave you wanting to run around yelling for a couple hours after the finale!

This is a must see! Not just for mecha fans, but for those who like a good story and excellent(and strange) characters! :)

^_^
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Sep 10, 2008 3:42 AM

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i guess his reviews are really good or that he hacking. not sure though..
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Sep 10, 2008 5:36 AM

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first of all i'd like to say that i've never heard of this guy before and i agree with master_m2k as well....he's reviews are really good and fun to read...heck he even makes some of the animes that look like they have poor art or even from the 80's tempting to watch! overall i think everyone here should gather some evidence before coming up with theories like "maybe he's borrowing other ppl's reviews" where's the evidence.....or even how can he get so many helpful votes when he's a new member....
hey has anyone over here actually thought "hmm maybe this guy studied A-level english language and literature and really likes to write. he enjoys animes and manga and so this gives him an opportunity to share his thoughts and feelings to everyone else here on mal. his reviews are interesting to read and i might even watch those anime's that i normally wouldn't"

all i'm saying is gather some evidence before hating on someone...and when somebody does....then i won't hesitate to switch sides.


 
Sep 10, 2008 5:52 AM

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aah, just realised i missed the post by Palimpsest....if this really is a copy of someone else's work and some people here aren't pleased by it, then inform that other reviewer about it and then the truth will be revealed


 
Sep 10, 2008 6:37 AM

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Has anyone actually challenged the person who copied those reviews, and asked him why he's doing it?

I've looked through the links posted by Yuunagi, and imagine my surprise and concern to find that almost every single review has been stolen from somewhere else.

Look, it's very simple. Someone, somewhere, has gone to the effort of putting down their honest thoughts and feeling regarding a show. It's appaling that someone has been so lazy and dishonest, that they are gaining credit for what someone else has worked at.

I think the entire body of reviews should be removed, and I think the originators of each of those reviews should be contacted to add their voices. I think the person who stole should be removed from MAL completely.

I have the utmost respect for reviewers here on MAL, but what this person has done calls the review written by everyone into question.

I suggest that everyone who has issues with what's been done should get in touch with Xinil and have those reviews removed. If the person wants to post their own honest review after that, then they can do so.

 
Sep 10, 2008 6:41 AM

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I personally don't care about all that stealing crap as long as there are good reviews available.


"Sanity is overrated."
 
Sep 10, 2008 6:51 AM
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Azamat said:
I personally don't care about all that stealing crap as long as there are good reviews available.


Actually, as one of the people whose reviews got plagiarized here, I disagree. I'm not sure how you'd feel if someone just stole something you spent a lot of time at, but I'd rather not see my reviews getting stolen and used without my consent.

EDIT: especially if he managed to launch it to the list of best-rated reviews somehow..
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Sep 10, 2008 7:26 AM

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Good reviews are one thing, but I'm sure if you worked on something only to have someone else gain the credit for it, you'd be annoyed at the very least.

It's easy for you to sit there and say you don't care though, cos it hasn't happened to you. I'm sure if we asked the people who's reviews he's nicked what they feel about it, then we'd see a different story.
 
 
Sep 10, 2008 7:57 AM

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I agree totally with psgels (who does run a very good review site - look up Star Crossed Anime Blog) - it is hard to patrol, but blatant copying needs to be rooted out. I say we round up the mob, and click on the 'report' buttons for his/her "reviews".

Now to really stir up the pitchfork-and-torches mob. On top of everything, he turned me into a newt!
Ok, I did get better...

(with apologies to John Cleese)
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Sep 10, 2008 8:35 AM

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I love this guy's reviews
but they do sometimes seem fragmented.

If he is copy/pasting, then that just adds another dimension to this whole argument.
...And I just joined, so I'll stay out these controversial issues for now...
 
Sep 10, 2008 8:44 AM

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We should have a community wide iniative against him. Send him angry messages, blacklist him for all clubs, absolutely slam anything else he posts on the site, etc. Justice belongs with the majority, so let's let him taste the MAL community's resolve.
 
Sep 10, 2008 8:50 AM

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This guy must be like "Dammit they found me out. Well I had a good run." Lawl.

What proof do you have that this is plagerism?

 
 
Sep 10, 2008 8:51 AM

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Palimpsest said:
yakyuu-addict said:
Maybe there is just a recent exponential burst in demand for information on Akira.

Hah!



Well not to sound racist or anything (considering I too am Filipino). But his words are a little too articulate for an avg Filipino. I mean a kid in the Philippines that plays a mess of games and watches anime is pretty much an avg kid ^_^

They speak fluent English and learn English starting at an early age, but even the Filipino president doesn't even speak as well as those how reviews looked (if that made sense :P) Whoever really did the writing of those reviews, should be hired as the speechwriter for the Philippine Presidente

EDIT2: I honestly wouldn't mind if they were really his work. Hell, I'd tell him good job but now that his cover's blown >_< I found that pretty funny
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Sep 10, 2008 9:04 AM

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while i do agree that plagiarizing is a terrible thing to do, this issue could've been brought up with Xinil or other moderators privately and not through the forums.
 
Sep 10, 2008 9:21 AM

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Thats the thing, how could i have known these were plagarized? I just saw something that was out of the ordinary. I'm not that smart so I thought I could converge with other 'great minds' of the MAL community to find out what is the deal.

I never would have thought he ripped every single review he posted off the internet.
I also didn't want to ask the person directly considering he probably wouldn't tell the truth anyway

As you can see a few other people did some better 'sleuthing' than I could have and we have come to this conclusion 14 hours later. We should join a CSI unit or something.
 
Sep 10, 2008 9:28 AM
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All of this user's reviews will be removed soon. I've confirmed that they are all plagiarized.

Plagiarizers will not be tolerated. It's illegal and destructive to the original owner's work.
 
 
Sep 10, 2008 9:55 AM

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The justice wins again. =)
 
Sep 10, 2008 10:01 AM

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The justice wins again. =)
Is that some kind of anti-plagiarism superhero?
 
Sep 10, 2008 10:22 AM

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They speak fluent English and learn English starting at an early age, but even the Filipino president doesn't even speak as well as those how reviews looked (if that made sense :P) Whoever really did the writing of those reviews, should be hired as the speechwriter for the Philippine Presidente

Forget about speech writing. With a transparency record like that, he's perfect for Philippine politics. -_-

Glad to see that it's been sorted out. I would still like to hear what he has to say about the issue though.
 
Sep 10, 2008 10:38 AM

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I can't believe I praised his work. We've all been played, at least the ones who voted "helpful" on his reviews.
This really upsets me; the reviewers of the plagiarized material must be even more furious.
 
Sep 10, 2008 11:02 AM

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stealing isn't cool :<

glad to see they're being removed.
 
Sep 10, 2008 11:23 AM

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I'd never thought that the guy would do such a thing

this blows for Filipinos everywhere
 
Sep 10, 2008 12:24 PM

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Someone will have a new username xD.
 
Sep 10, 2008 3:53 PM

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haha what a low thing to do. "Hey im not satisfied with my life i need someone to tell me that im good.. eureka i got it! I copy alot of great reviews from other people that really know how to write compelling stuff unlike me that hardly can do the crossword puzzle in the morning paper! yeah that will show them! I will be loved" something like that maybe?:P anyway i would be furious if someone stole something from me that im proud of, its just words sure. but its MY words. oh well
 
 
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Definitely is good that this was taken care of.
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Sep 10, 2008 6:49 PM

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Well shucks. Now no one can read them.
 
Sep 10, 2008 8:31 PM

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All of this user's reviews will be removed soon. I've confirmed that they are all plagiarized.

Plagiarizers will not be tolerated. It's illegal and destructive to the original owner's work.


Good to know.
 
Sep 10, 2008 8:37 PM

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All's well that ends well.
 
 
Sep 10, 2008 10:25 PM

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LOL! Even his profile note sounds a little bit strange. Anyways, glad to see this is now over, Damn! I'm a Filipino & I pity this guy so much =/


 
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Xinil said:
All of this user's reviews will be removed soon. I've confirmed that they are all plagiarized.

Plagiarizers will not be tolerated. It's illegal and destructive to the original owner's work.


Justice truly exists (for once) ;D

All hail Xinil!!
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Xinil said:
All of this user's reviews will be removed soon. I've confirmed that they are all plagiarized.

Plagiarizers will not be tolerated. It's illegal and destructive to the original owner's work.

You are a paladin
no
 
Sep 11, 2008 7:49 AM

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why do people submit "reviews" and claim it to be theirs when they didn't even bother writing them out? this make the REAL reviewers look bad ><
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Sep 11, 2008 4:08 PM

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why do people submit "reviews" and claim it to be theirs when they didn't even bother writing them out? this make the REAL reviewers look bad ><
Because it's cool to write kickass, lengthy, detailed reviews on the Internet. Uh. Yeah. Totally. It's all about raising your self-esteem....that somebody else should have got.

Edit: Lol at the comment "Justice wins again". So true.
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Well that gave me a good laugh.




 
Sep 14, 2008 7:47 AM

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Someone will have a new username xD.


I actually did a little investigation and I think I found out what user(name) has he become now. Though I'm not 100% sure. He has new reviews again, now I wonder if they are "real" now and not plagiarized.


I believe we both are thinking of the same new user. I checked their anime list and everything has the same anime. (There were also new ones added) The score are a bit different but that doesn't change anything.

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