Leon-Gun said: KyoAni fans should just realize KyoAni already feels they don't need Key. In case every damnable idiot has short term memory, KyoANi has several shows they basically left in cold storage to work on whatever the fuck they please, leaving their sizable fanbases in the cold. In other words, KyoAni would have never gotten around to do LB, that was why Visual Arts basically said "fuck this". COuld they have chosen a better studio? Sure. Is JC STAFF being the one chosen really enough to start a shitstorm before even one episode is out? Not even close. I think it's fucking hilarious that it was BECUSE the fanbase was so persistent on the LB adaptation that Visual Arts didn't wait any more. First the fans go "wah wah wah give me LB now" and VA consents. Then they go "wah wah wah why couldn't you wait !" Give me a fucking break. This. Just this. |
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fujifruit said: tysonultima said: Guys really have to take everything into consideration when it comes to this matter. Re-write sales were absolutely DREADFUL when it came to the sales of Kanon, LB, and Clannad. So I am sure Key believe it or not probably needs something to bring in the profits. JC staff is most likely cheap, eager to do anything that exists, and has good marketing. If the anime fails then people will most likely buy the visual novel because people will say "oh its better." If they anime does good then Key still wins and JC staff gets a better rep. Either way lets just assume Key is in a struggle for money and they need quick cash and little busters release was the way to do it. What the fuck are you talking about? Rewrite sold pretty well.Not to mention the fact that Rewrite is getting a fandisc. It's high for common VN,but for key it's pretty low. Then again I believe this thread is getting out of topic as usual. Let's just wait for the anime in 6 - 12 months, I guess. |
dtshyk said: Baba revealed that the series composer Shimada Michiru had completed the original game including the hidden episode with her daughter. After finishing the game, she checked if she missed something by reading 4.7 MB of the text data of the game scenario. Respect~ |
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zeroyuki92 said: I like the fact you're saying it sold "horrible" when you're just making a comparisons between Key titles. There will always be a weak link even within good sellers and it just so happens Rewrite ended up being it. Not like it's not undeserving of it, it certainly seems to lack the old magic they had, but then again it's a different team of writers, I think it's unfair to compare them a little. fujifruit said: tysonultima said: Guys really have to take everything into consideration when it comes to this matter. Re-write sales were absolutely DREADFUL when it came to the sales of Kanon, LB, and Clannad. So I am sure Key believe it or not probably needs something to bring in the profits. JC staff is most likely cheap, eager to do anything that exists, and has good marketing. If the anime fails then people will most likely buy the visual novel because people will say "oh its better." If they anime does good then Key still wins and JC staff gets a better rep. Either way lets just assume Key is in a struggle for money and they need quick cash and little busters release was the way to do it. What the fuck are you talking about? Rewrite sold pretty well.Not to mention the fact that Rewrite is getting a fandisc. It's high for common VN,but for key it's pretty low. Then again I believe this thread is getting out of topic as usual. Let's just wait for the anime in 6 - 12 months, I guess. If I remember correctly the lead writer for Rewrite was Romeo Tanaka who's style of writing is completely different from Maeda's from what I've seen. And the only other writers in Rewrite (from my understanding) were Yuuto Tonokawa who wrote Komari and Kurugaya's character routes in Little Busters (two pretty damn bad character routes IMO, especially the latter) and Ryukishi07 who's not exactly known for highschool romance, just supernatural mystery thrillers. So yeah, you'd expect the writing style to change quite a bit... but I think I've strayed off course too far, I'll drop this subject here. |
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fujifruit said: Fletchaaa said: Uh...Totally explains why Angel Beats merchandise is sold under Visual Arts.OriginGenesis said: Looking at KyoAni they don't have that many anime done but they've done some of the best popular ones like Haruhi, K-on, and all of Key's previous work (except Angel Beats) Again, Angel Beats isn't by Key. Its by Jun Maeda, who was a part of Key. But Angel Beats is all him. Visual Art's does not equal Key, plus they are just their publisher so its not that weird that stuff for Angel Beats would sell there. Jun Maeda probably has a good relationship with them since he has worked at Key for a while. I think they are making a visual novel adaption of it though, but that would be Key's adaption of Jun Maeda's anime. So yeah, Angel Beats is not by Key. |
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Fletchaaa said: I think it's easier if you tell them that Visual Arts "produced" Angel Beats and the project was made by Na-Ga and Jun Maeda in collaboration with PA Works. It's kinda like saying your favorite guitarrist released a solo-album under the same studio that produced his old band's music. Sure, same studio and same guitarrist but not the same band.fujifruit said: Fletchaaa said: Uh...Totally explains why Angel Beats merchandise is sold under Visual Arts.OriginGenesis said: Looking at KyoAni they don't have that many anime done but they've done some of the best popular ones like Haruhi, K-on, and all of Key's previous work (except Angel Beats) Again, Angel Beats isn't by Key. Its by Jun Maeda, who was a part of Key. But Angel Beats is all him. Visual Art's does not equal Key, plus they are just their publisher so its not that weird that stuff for Angel Beats would sell there. Jun Maeda probably has a good relationship with them since he has worked at Key for a while. I think they are making a visual novel adaption of it though, but that would be Key's adaption of Jun Maeda's anime. So yeah, Angel Beats is not by Key. |
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Oniichanz said: Fletchaaa said: fujifruit said: Fletchaaa said: Uh...Totally explains why Angel Beats merchandise is sold under Visual Arts.OriginGenesis said: Looking at KyoAni they don't have that many anime done but they've done some of the best popular ones like Haruhi, K-on, and all of Key's previous work (except Angel Beats) Again, Angel Beats isn't by Key. Its by Jun Maeda, who was a part of Key. But Angel Beats is all him. Visual Art's does not equal Key, plus they are just their publisher so its not that weird that stuff for Angel Beats would sell there. Jun Maeda probably has a good relationship with them since he has worked at Key for a while. I think they are making a visual novel adaption of it though, but that would be Key's adaption of Jun Maeda's anime. So yeah, Angel Beats is not by Key. Visual novel adaption of an anime. sounds legit. If I'm not wrong, AB was first a Light Novel. |
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Oniichanz said: zeroyuki92 said: It's high for common VN,but for key it's pretty low. Then again I believe this thread is getting out of topic as usual. Let's just wait for the anime in 6 - 12 months, I guess. It's not exactly high, it's just decent, There are tons of other VN's/Eroge out there you know, and the company, Key, just happens to be one of those good VN companies, there certainly are dozens of better companies. Of course it's not the only company. But Key usually break six digit selling, which applied to almost all of it's previous VN (maybe excluding some fandisks). I guess it ranked along with Leaf as an old, respectable, and have a potential to rack a ton of sells. If I'm not mistaken Rewrite sold around 30k, and you can easily compare it to Key's previous sold list. But of course it didn't meant that it was an end of earth for Key or anything, but if Key can't exceed 100k or even 50k, there's only few more can (the strongest candidates are Leaf and TYPEMOON, I guess). Well, I'm just trying to explain my statements, and I'll drop this topic here. |
jmal said: SIeepwalker said: If I'm not wrong, AB was first a Light Novel. Angel Beats! was a mixed-media project like Milky Holmes. Multiple media were launched in relatively close proximity to one another as a concerted effort to push the franchise in multiple mediums at once. So there isn't really an "original" source medium in this case, unlike, say, Clannad where there was a visual novel that existed completely independent of anything else, until an anime came along later and was adapted from it. Thank you, I didn't knew that. |
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SIeepwalker said: If we go even more technical every project was an adaptation of the original Script written by Maeda Jun and by order of release the light novel was released first, then a 4-koma manga, then the anime and another manga serial. No Visual Novel for Angel Beats has been released or even officially announced but it has existed as a very loud rumor for a year or two now.jmal said: SIeepwalker said: If I'm not wrong, AB was first a Light Novel. Angel Beats! was a mixed-media project like Milky Holmes. Multiple media were launched in relatively close proximity to one another as a concerted effort to push the franchise in multiple mediums at once. So there isn't really an "original" source medium in this case, unlike, say, Clannad where there was a visual novel that existed completely independent of anything else, until an anime came along later and was adapted from it. Thank you, I didn't knew that. |
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Bakadomo said: It was more of a "we're trying to get a VN project running and Maeda Jun is interested" but nothing completely official. Visual Arts went on record later on claiming there was nothing final and that it wasn't a priority at the moment. This was around the time they were on the last stage of production for Rewrite and all.Actually, there was an announcement here on MAL that Angel beats is getting a visual novel adaption. |
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Bakadomo said: ActualGLoRY said: SeraVerte said: Seems like I'm the only one out of the loop, but I'm curious as to what is it that JC staff did (or which adaption), to earn them such an infamous reputation? I believe it is Shingetsutan Tsukihime. But I think it is less of the fact that it is JC Staff than it is that the people they have in charge of this have not really made anything with the quality that people are expecting from a Key adaptation. Although after finally completing Little Busters! yesterday, I think they would have to try to screw this up. So, I am going to keep my high expectations, and hope for a new favorite anime. But Tsukihime sold good? if i remember it was 13k? It's not because something sells well that it's good. |
Bakadomo said: Type-Moon fans are some of the most nitpicky assholes in existence though so the reputation is a big stain and probably the main reason they haven't tackled well-known VN's after that (they focused on Light Novels and Manga adaptations after that, with varying results). I might add, DEEN's reputation as a VN butcher also comes from Type-Moon fanboys' reaction to Fate/Stay Night. Lesson: don't touch a Type-Moon product unless you're ufotable (as proven with the very well received Kara no Kyoukai and Fate/Zero).Solkiskey said: Bakadomo said: ActualGLoRY said: SeraVerte said: Seems like I'm the only one out of the loop, but I'm curious as to what is it that JC staff did (or which adaption), to earn them such an infamous reputation? I believe it is Shingetsutan Tsukihime. But I think it is less of the fact that it is JC Staff than it is that the people they have in charge of this have not really made anything with the quality that people are expecting from a Key adaptation. Although after finally completing Little Busters! yesterday, I think they would have to try to screw this up. So, I am going to keep my high expectations, and hope for a new favorite anime. But Tsukihime sold good? if i remember it was 13k? It's not because something sells well that it's good. I can't argue with that, i've seen many shitty titles sell good. |
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ActualGLoRY said: SeraVerte said: Seems like I'm the only one out of the loop, but I'm curious as to what is it that JC staff did (or which adaption), to earn them such an infamous reputation? I believe it is Shingetsutan Tsukihime. But I think it is less of the fact that it is JC Staff than it is that the people they have in charge of this have not really made anything with the quality that people are expecting from a Key adaptation. Although after finally completing Little Busters! yesterday, I think they would have to try to screw this up. So, I am going to keep my high expectations, and hope for a new favorite anime. That's the best example you came up with? Tsukihime was released in 2003, budget was too low that even Typemoon accepted its low quality because of budget. Also If i'm not mistaken that was first Typemoon anime adapation, they were inexperienced, so even if JC Staff screwed up, there was nothing they can do. Here we have Visual Arts with some renowned anime titles and great budget and President is saying we know what we're doing, but this annoying fanbase is still crying. beleive me, if JC Staff screw this up, it's not their fault but Key's fault. JC Staff wanted to do this anime, they accepted offer, they can control everything they want. It's not like JC Staff is the boss here. espcially with all this criticism. JC Staff would love to get all help from Key, so they don't get all blame if this annoying fanbase screw up this title just becuase KyoAni is not doing it. |
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| What are they so busy with? I only saw 1 anime project they're producing. I don't suppose they're making Haruhi 3 are they now? |
| "Justice Never Dies!" - Kenji Endou, 20th century Boys |
| LOL, poor JC Staff, anyway... |
| Yay for Rita . GO J.C STAFF! Im just glad that someone actually bothered to come pick up Little Busters 5 years after the Visual Novel came out =/. I nvr thought this day would even come when they broke the 3 year mark. Im actually hoping J.C Staff takes their time to make Little Busters a masterpiece. |
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| I don't understand why all the hate for JC Staff. Sure they messed up on some anime in the past, but does that mean they are bad? No. Some of my favorite anime like Shakugan no Shana, Hayate no Gotoku!!, Azumanga Daioh, Toradora, and Nodame Cantabile were animated by JC Staff. Just the fact that they messed up Tsukihime causes them to deserve a no for Little Busters? Wow nice observation. If you say that, might as well we go through the distance and say "Hey Quentin Tarantino's movie, Four Room, is so terrible so any movie he directs in the future should be bad as well, right?" The fact people are saying this anime will be bad because it is not made by the same people is the same thing as saying the new Spider-Man movie will be bad even though I haven't watch it yet since it not directed by Sam Raimi. Fact: Also if anyone didn't know, a director is not in charge of the project except for the dialogue. Considering the dialogue already exist from the vn, he would not have much work to do except change a few line to fit. A producer is usually in charge of the whole project such as how the camera angle goes, character's expression, scenery, and etc. So everything we see visually is in charge by the producer. Looking at Kawase, Kouhei profile, who I think JC Staff put the best producer to this project, I don't think we will be disappointed in the visual aspect. |
polke45Jun 22, 2012 11:20 PM
| Fall? Excuse me while I go freeze myself. |
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phoenixalia said: Lol, ikr?....seriously, is the president of visual arts looking at MAL? |
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| is it gonna be aired in the fall? |
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| OMG YESSU. HNNG. :D |
| Well I love KyoAni's works but JC Staff's are not bad too so I'm not complaining. Definitely watching this! |
| Maybe all this hate will motivate JC Staff to do a decent job.. |
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