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Sep 6, 2008 6:10 AM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Tachikoma went exploring :D
More of a laid back episode, but still good.
 
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Nov 22, 2008 6:19 PM

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This was generally bad. Towards the end got better though
 
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Nov 27, 2008 12:58 AM

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This episode is good. Gives a good explanation of why the Tachikomas are not only child like in voice but of consciousness. They may have super intelligence and immense data gathering capabilities but still are like children learning new stuff each day and they have this insatiable appetite to learn. They are innocent like Miki but will have to come to terms with everyday aspects of life like losing a loved one. Through that experience, the Tachikoma was trying to rationalize death on its own terms.

"We practice selective annihilation of mayors and government officials, for example, to create a vacuum, then we fill that vacuum. As popular war advances, peace is closer"
 
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Jun 25, 2009 1:14 AM

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A bit random I felt but an okay episode overall.
 
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Aug 5, 2009 12:17 AM

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well that had a sad beginning, but from bad deeds can come some good, by going out the tank found the brain thing and they stop others from falling prey to it
the only way to stop a gamer from playing is either: beat them, or wait until they get bored (though 2% percent suffer seizures
 
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Aug 16, 2009 7:45 AM

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i like this episode
 
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Sep 30, 2009 6:38 PM
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I think this series is starting to get a bad case of "Making Shit Up As It Goes Along". That and ludicrous plotting. A movie so good that nobody can stop watching it?? REALLY??? That's about as believable as Monty Python's "The Funniest Joke in the World". This isn't The Twilight Zone, so why is it acting like it?
 
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Nov 17, 2009 4:53 PM

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Lol.... It's kinda tiring to see this kind of episodes... I agree they're sometimes lame, but hey we need them to understand the GitS world a little bit more.... I found the first half hilarious... Loved the Tachikoma helping the girl... and being a quick handed guy hahahaha... Stealing that cyber-brain was so unexpected of him

I completely agree with Leibstandarte.... We have to meet the things ne? Hahahaha.... Oh the most incredible part was when Tachikoma faked to be an adult ahahahaha that was a nice way to deceive the youg cops XD... But I wonder... who was following Miki and Tachikoma? was that a younger version of Motoko?

The movie part was weird... to say the least... but hey that part is what brought to the whole episode the GitS feel... I really liked that one... hey feelings exist... And sometimes they glue you to someone or something... Can't agree less with Motoko too... But I was worried for her... But I'm relieved to see her okay now :P

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May 16, 2010 11:27 AM

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I liked this episode. But in my opinion Tachikoma is entertaining to watch...
 
Jun 24, 2010 6:29 AM
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That... wasn't as terrible as I thought it would be, considering the episode started with a Tachikoma doing a Brum. That said, they could have at least tried to thematically tie the two seemingly random stories together.
 
Jun 25, 2010 9:30 AM

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Not sure what everyone is talking about - this episode was probably my favorite episode of the series because it was so much more philosophical.

The first half prepped us for the later half of the episode - how is death taken in the world of GITS.

The second half was about the difference between reality and the virtual world - is it really better to live in an eternal virtual world or is reality the more truthful way to live your life.

Overall, I think this was the best episode ever.
 
Aug 1, 2010 10:15 PM

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I agree with you there. I really liked this episode, mainly because of Tachikoma. <3
 
Aug 14, 2010 1:16 AM

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hmm. Salinger again. The story about the goldfish is nearly the same as in "The catcher in the rye".

 
Oct 2, 2010 7:45 PM

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Wonder what the movie was to make the Major cry
Even when I was in crowd, I was always alone
 
Nov 7, 2010 4:45 PM

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It's always amusing for people to call an episode that doesn't have action terrible.
"Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job."

- Geralt of Rivia
 
Nov 8, 2010 6:54 PM
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insan3soldiern said:
It's always amusing for people to call an episode that doesn't have action terrible.


A lot of things with and without action are terrible. Why is it amusing?
 
Nov 8, 2010 11:48 PM

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watkinzez said:
insan3soldiern said:
It's always amusing for people to call an episode that doesn't have action terrible.


A lot of things with and without action are terrible. Why is it amusing?



I'm looking at this episode and I'm seeing great writing, directing, and interesting ideas. Other people(generalizing here) look at it and see "NO Explosions=FAIL"

How is that not amusing?

But, looking at your anime list. I see this doesn't apply to you. So, what did you not like about this show and episode?
"Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job."

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Nov 9, 2010 2:27 AM
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I honestly don't remember. :P I never liked the Tachikomas, so that might be part of it.

The problem for the show overall was that I never got invested in the characters, so neither the action nor the emotional moments held any weight for me. The jargon-filled main plot didn't help either.
 
Mar 24, 2011 9:46 AM

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aero said:
Tachikoma went exploring :D
More of a laid back episode, but still good.


I enjoyed it as well, not much happened but I don't see a need for action in every episode.
 
Apr 3, 2011 9:00 PM

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I actually liked this episode (:
 
May 24, 2011 4:19 PM

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Want to see that film :D .
Such junk...
 
Jun 9, 2011 8:07 AM

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Tachikomas are awesome!! I could watch only them and it would still be great anime :)
 
Aug 29, 2011 12:28 AM

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love the episodes :)

man seeing Motoko cry just tells you how that movie is sooo good :)

it's actually interesting to see that people are willing to go to virtual worlds just so they can escape the harsh reality that is waiting for them.

though they didn't explain the girl that was following her both Tachikoma and Miki

love the world and atmosphere of the anime =)
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Nov 1, 2011 6:50 AM

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Wolfxzer0 said:
Not sure what everyone is talking about - this episode was probably my favorite episode of the series because it was so much more philosophical.

The first half prepped us for the later half of the episode - how is death taken in the world of GITS.

The second half was about the difference between reality and the virtual world - is it really better to live in an eternal virtual world or is reality the more truthful way to live your life.

Overall, I think this was the best episode ever.

Totally This Episode Is Indeed Fantastic

 
Nov 16, 2011 3:13 PM

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Sweet episode and cute first half, pet/animal stories always get me :(

The dream sequence, brilliant.
 
Nov 22, 2011 4:49 PM

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PrinceHeir said:
love the episodes :)

man seeing Motoko cry just tells you how that movie is sooo good :)

it's actually interesting to see that people are willing to go to virtual worlds just so they can escape the harsh reality that is waiting for them.

though they didn't explain the girl that was following her both Tachikoma and Miki

love the world and atmosphere of the anime =)


The girl following the Tachikoma was the major in one of her many different bodies.
"Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job."

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Mar 3, 2012 5:16 PM

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Confucius said:
Wonder what the movie was to make the Major cry
 
Jun 20, 2012 3:19 PM
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oh boy.Robots having feelings,my sci-fi experience says that is almost always bad news -_-
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Jul 12, 2012 3:42 AM

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The tachikoma's are still learning it seems in this episode. Not sure, but maybe they will learn how to feel later in the series?

As for the second part, very interesting story there. The director was really dedicated to his work, it was too bad it was never made, but would the impact of the movie be the same as it would have been in the box? Guess we'll never know. Either way, it seems that movie must have been really touching if people don't want to ever leave. Wonder if that investigator ever got out of there.

Great episode all in all. Very well done!
 
Jul 21, 2012 5:24 AM

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I enjoyed this. The first part used so many Ghibli movie clichés that it was a bit embarrassing although enjoyable. The second half had some vague philosophy/criticism about the meaning of entertainment... or not really philosophy but musings that Theodor Adorno might have approved.
 
Oct 5, 2012 9:18 PM

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Wow, anime little girls are soo awesome. So many little girls I meet are snobby assholes D=.

"I like to expose what people hide. I'm an intellectual rapist." - Furudo Erika
 
Dec 21, 2012 10:35 AM

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Great episode, the first part was just to epic, I love those blue little tanks especially their voice actor! The second part was also quite interesting, lets see what's next!
 
Dec 21, 2012 11:32 AM

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That episode felt so cyberpunk: adventurous and techy, yet with deep implications.

And Kusanagi crying? It was touching to see her display something like sensibility.
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Dec 22, 2012 8:13 AM

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Damn Tachikomas are cute. All that exploring was interesting. I really liked this episode.

 
Jan 1, 2013 11:07 AM

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A bit of a weak episode but still a nice watch. So cyborgs can cry huh ;o
 
Feb 27, 2013 6:03 PM

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Stark700 said:
A bit of a weak episode but still a nice watch. So cyborgs can cry huh ;o


Well she wasn't a cyborg there. It was a virtual world. It was just her brain image there.
 
Mar 24, 2013 12:47 PM
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Why wouldn't the cyborgs cry? I don't see how it is surprising to you.

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May 29, 2013 6:32 AM

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It was an relaxing episode. But the switch from Tachikoma adventure to the filmmaker's case was too fast. Tachikoma's <3
 
Jun 11, 2013 8:11 AM

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5/5

Good episode, which can bind in an interesting way the two stories.
 
Oct 16, 2013 7:25 AM

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Motoko is a freakin' tsundere!
 
Oct 26, 2013 3:59 AM
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I remember seeing this when I was 8 or 9 and going "wow, I'm watching a mature anime and I'm understanding things surprisingly well." and then falling asleep after the graveyard scene.
 
Nov 19, 2013 1:37 PM
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Cutest tank I've ever seen.

Huh...who'd of ever thought a sentence like that could ever be said? Regardless, a good episode in my opinion. Had a very "feel good" feel to it, which was kind of nice.
 
Dec 14, 2013 5:23 PM

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Good filler. It was nice to the takochima (don't know if spelled right...) reacting to the world. The realisator story was kinda sad too.
«Time is passing so quickly. Right now, I feel like complaining to Einstein. Whether time is slow or fast depends on perception. Relativity theory is so romantic. And so sad.»
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Jun 10, 2014 4:56 AM

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Another episode undocked from the main theme, but great to deal with certain issues such as the escape from reality and what makes a man different from the machine. In addition, the plot characterizes even the largest and most Tachikoma.
Motoko seems to do the hard, but in the end he has a heart that beats too.
The Tachikoma nice and cute while crying. Drawings and discrete animations.
 
Aug 15, 2014 9:09 AM
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Ni_Go_Zero_Ichi said:
I think this series is starting to get a bad case of "Making Shit Up As It Goes Along". That and ludicrous plotting. A movie so good that nobody can stop watching it?? REALLY??? That's about as believable as Monty Python's "The Funniest Joke in the World". This isn't The Twilight Zone, so why is it acting like it?


Don't think about the how but the why. What was the messages this episode wanted to transmit? Wondering if details makes sense isn't really important. Worldbuilding isnt the most important part of good storytelling imo.

Thought it was pretty solid!
 
Nov 21, 2014 12:51 AM

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Charming episode. I really love the character building parts of the show more than Laughing Man episodes. I'm really curious about Major's past
 
Jan 15, 2015 6:31 PM

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I would agree with Major that escapism is a waste of time, and harmful. I can understand its use as a coping mechanism, but it still isn't healthy. Entertainment is indeed meant to be transitory. It isn't meant to encompass one's being.

I liked learning about the tachikomas and the theme setup, but the tone shift into second half was what made this a great episode imo.
 
Feb 3, 2015 9:47 AM

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The Tachikoma are so cute and inquisitive, I love them. Second half of the episode was awesome.
 
Mar 28, 2015 12:08 PM

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They should've focused more on Tachikoma i love those mini-tanks lol... the first half was fantastic. The second half on the other hand... I didnt like it... though a movie that doesnt have a beginning or end sounds... interesting.
 
Apr 16, 2015 8:49 AM

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Loved how that moe robot changed its voice to scare off the dem police dudes. Overall okay episode but it gets better in the second half and near the end.
 
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