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Poll: NHK ni Youkoso! Episode 22 Discussion

Nov 21, 2015 5:28 AM

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So he had the same day dram twice? You horny bastard!

Damn it Satou! When a girl starts crying in front of you say something! Anything don't just sit there staring!

Inb4 Misaki breaks Satou's legs so she can take care of him.
Dec 11, 2015 8:00 AM

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SacredFactor said:
Escapes me how Satou is able to painfully ignore Misaki like some sort of object in the background at every moment.

Satou is dense, but I do understand how a somewhat dense person could ignore a Misaki. Let's not forget they've been "together" for almost a year now, and she has revealed absolutely NOTHING about herself. Meanwhile Satou has frequently hinted, both to the audience and to Missaki, that their relationship would improve if he actually knew something about her. When he once asked her upfront, she replied with lies.

I felt sorry for her too this episode, but you can't pin it all on Satou. Also, the misunderstading is unfortunate, but the truth is Satou would not have survived out there without Senpai, and he himself in fact proved to be quite the bro, the way he handled her proposition.

TheBuddahman said:
So was Satou daydreaming when Hitomi proposed to have an affair or did i really happen? It the answer to this even clear? Please someone clear things out cause if Hitomi was indeed about to cheat her husband while pregnant with their baby this is way too fucked up?

It did not happen, because it was Satou who realised Senpai was really happy (and an affair would ruin that). Also, I wonder whether Senpai meant she was allready pregnant, or intended to get pregnant. The former would still be pretty fucked up, considering her intentional saké binging.
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Dec 19, 2015 6:08 AM

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One of the best eps of the series. I don't think any character was displayed likeably here (Misaki's selfishness ordering Satou to do what she wants, Satou's selfishness in leaving Misaki, Hitomi's selfishness in trying to drag Satou down with her). One of the few episodes in the 2nd half where the story telling was pulled off flawlessly and to great effect - we see Misaki and her grand masterplan starting to unravel.
Dec 20, 2015 6:07 PM

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Hmm.. I see where this is going.

I find it strange how little Satou thinks of Misaki's presence in his life at this stage in the series. He's right to be wary of her after the things she said on episode 13 and with how little she's revealed of herself, but I do think she's revealed enough hints about her past to be concerned for her and not ignore her outright, not to mention the endless compassion and patience she's shown to Satou, but oh well.
Modified by Koybz, Dec 20, 2015 6:13 PM
Jan 8, 2016 7:45 PM

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Hitomi is going to be a psycho mother, lord help that child
Mar 24, 2016 5:20 AM
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May 1, 2016 1:04 PM

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I'm starting to hate Satou, he is being such a piece of shit to Misaki, it infuriate me !
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May 22, 2016 12:42 AM

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THIAGO said:
Hitomi is going to be a psycho mother, lord help that child
yeah, probably gonna teach the child about conspiracies and sh*t

On a side note, how much of that "interaction" with Hitomi was real or dream? Misaki was pointing out that she saw Satou and Hitomi leaving the hotel? Am I missing something here? I thought that was all in Satou's mind or sth
May 26, 2016 12:40 PM

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Sato's ringtone kinda grew on me. I wonder where can I download his ringtone lol.

Damn those Sato x Senpai scenes were mindfucking me. Good thing it was just his imagination. Poor Misaki about to snap. Seem like she was the one with the biggest issue.
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May 27, 2016 1:46 PM

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My 2nd rewatch, and I can never get enough from this awesome drama.

Misaki is THE ONE who really needs help and Sato's support, she really is just fool girl and not honest with herself. Since they met, and maybe much before that, Misaki already knew "enough" about Sato and his life. She knew awful lot information about Sato, and yet Sato don't know much about her (Misaki lives in that awesome house which is on the hill and that she scare violence, atleast when going for her)

Misaki's obsession "project" continue, atleast for few more episodes,
Modified by Gaichi, May 27, 2016 1:53 PM

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Aug 20, 2016 10:59 AM

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Lmao, Satou having a fantasy in the middle of the street there.
I actually thought the second fantasy was real for a second.

Oh cmon... just like Kimi there just has to be a random animal dying close to the end of the show. :(

A great way of showing that Misaki needed the help all along instead of trying to help.
Sure in turn she's helping Satou aswell but Misaki clearly had some terrible youth (flashbacks of a man hitting her? probably father)

Wonder what she meant by captive at the end there.
Sep 11, 2016 1:46 PM

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Satou just keeps screwing things up, doesn't he? Poor Misaki!

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Sep 25, 2016 9:47 PM

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The last few episodes have gotten very philosophical... I've been assaulted by existentialism :P
Oct 8, 2016 6:27 PM
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Heavy episode, and those 2 scenes were like moments ripped straight out of a hentai. But I couldn't help laughing at the shot where Misaki runs off from Sato's apartment, the angle she's at along with how it looks like she's walking and they just sped it up. OMG, it had me laughing so hard at a sad scene...thanks animators.
Oct 29, 2016 5:04 PM

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These past few episodes have been really good. Hope they don't fuck up the ending.
Nov 30, 2016 10:22 AM

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Damn, I got trolled even the second time with his delusions XD

Senpai gave a shock to Sato XD

Ah, so Yamazaki's really taking that his family business huh? Really sad to see that :(
Jan 10, 2017 3:56 PM

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Why did Satou not explain the situation to Misaki? Why was he not concerned about her when they got separated in the crowd?

I have a guess: he totally takes her for granted. She probably doesn't even register as an actual person to her, as he barely knows anything about her. Not that he has actually tried to get any answers out of her in the second half of the series. I'm not defending him, I'm just trying to find an explanation.

JolieJoli said:
One of the best eps of the series. I don't think any character was displayed likeably here (Misaki's selfishness ordering Satou to do what she wants, Satou's selfishness in leaving Misaki, Hitomi's selfishness in trying to drag Satou down with her). One of the few episodes in the 2nd half where the story telling was pulled off flawlessly and to great effect - we see Misaki and her grand masterplan starting to unravel.

I like this interpretation, even though I didn't enjoy the episode all that much.

Misaki is finally showing her true colors. Though I think Misaki's development now came a little too late, it's still better than nothing.
Modified by LeeTailor, Jan 10, 2017 4:08 PM
Feb 2, 2017 2:38 AM

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i've rewatched the scene a few times and i still can''t tell for sure if senpai really asked him for an affair or he was just fantasising again...
Feb 17, 2017 7:45 PM
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MikeHunt69 said:
i've rewatched the scene a few times and i still can''t tell for sure if senpai really asked him for an affair or he was just fantasising again...

Just watched this, pretty obvious that the affair line was 100% in Sato's head. He was fantasizing just as he did before about a way to get with Hitomi. But even during his own fantasy, and unlike the 1st time, he realizes that she's as happy as she can be at that moment and that if he ever had a chance with her, that chance is long gone. He even audibly says it, "Senpai, you really are happy now, aren't you?". The transition from "Do you want to like, have an affair?" to that line would make absolutely zero sense, and be completely out of character for Hitomi.
Apr 3, 2017 3:20 AM

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Satou shouldn't lie to Misaki in the first place, it's not like he did something bad with senpai.
Jun 13, 2017 10:02 PM

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Dis girl jumping to conclusions >.>
Jun 15, 2017 7:34 AM

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Andyis said:
Satou should just try to cheer up misaka by complimenting her or something. I mean wow she's crying in front of you

my thoughts is wrong with this dude? lol

she's almost beggining him to let her into his life jeez

but nooo he is just fantasizing about that senpai bitch, pisses me off

anyway 5/5, don't let my comment fool you i love this anime, extremely interesting stuff going on

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Jun 25, 2017 4:12 PM

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A sad episode. Misaki is really feeling unneeded by Sato, which is understandable. Senpai's visit was just... Nothing really. She's all ready to be a normal person and that's that. And Yamazki may get his shit together too.

Sato is kind of all out of options, and Misaki has the reveal of her plan next episode. Can't wait!

One bad thing is that the already average animation took a hit this episode. The faces, most visibly Senpai's look a bit off. It could have been to do with the lighting, but I did notice a reduction in quality. And I usually don't notice when this reportedly happens to an anime.
Jul 6, 2017 5:02 PM
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I could see this ending in a few ways -

1) An inconclusive ending - everyone just continues to exist and no one is happy about it.
2) Misaki turns out to be the final antagonist and Sato escapes from her clutches.
3) Misaki ending where they realize their love for each other.

Given how messed up both of them are, I'd actually prefer #1 or #2 over a happy ending, just for the story's sake. It all depends on what kind of message they're getting at.
Jul 10, 2017 1:06 AM
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22 episodes later and this guy is still fucking mentally retarded
Aug 14, 2017 11:13 PM

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Ehhhh Misaki suddenly went full yandere or at least mentally ill?

Sep 9, 2017 9:56 AM
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That was a very good episode but I felt so sorry for Misaki-chan
Nov 15, 2017 9:09 AM

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"Knockers..." And an uncensored pair at that. Second one we've seen in the series. Still don't know why they blue-balled us for 18 episodes before deciding to draw nips.

Sato actually kept himself pretty put together in that large crowd despite being a hikikomori, thanks to his senpai. Misaki was the one freaking out. Though she definitely got the wrong idea about Sato and his senpai.

Though Sato kept fantasizing about getting some with his senpai, this isn't a gal game...she's not going to expose her nips for her old hikikomori friend right before she gets married (and she's pregnant!). There might have been some hope for them to be a good couple in high school, but now Sato needs Misaki.

"If there was a God, he'd probably be too evil to help us out anyway." Wow, Misaki. Legit feel the same way about religion.

Yamazaki's probably getting wasted to drown out his emotions and live with being on the ranch.

"Free milk!"

Misaki: Free...milk? CRAWLING IN MY SKIN

Misaki shouldn't worry; obviously, Sato is going to occasionally want something that isn't milk or cheese. He still needs her. I hate to see her cry and break down like that. :(

"You might not know it, but you're my captive." ?!?!
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Aug 22, 2018 5:31 PM

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I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised about Misaki when everyone in this show clearly has some major issues lol
Sep 12, 2018 11:00 AM

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Holy tits! So this was a goodbye to senpai, and we got to learn that she and Yamazaki finally start to get a grip on their lifes, even if there's still a long road ahead. It was nice seeing that, even if I wish there'd have been more development for that. But holy fuck, I hate Misaki. And I hate what I'll expect to be the ending to this series. I hope the next two episodes don't ruin this series further for me...
Nov 12, 2018 2:15 PM

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Could Satou get any dumber? I'm so frustrated >_<

At least FINALLY there's gonna be more screentime for Misaki and her side of the story, that's what I was waiting for all this time.
Apr 26, 8:46 AM
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Really heavy episode. Not really sure where to start even... Probably Kashiwa-senpai.

The imagination scenes really fooled me, I really really thought they went to that hotel and I especially really thought she asked if he wanted to have an affair. While watching I was already thinking "I'm going to need to see myanimelist later to see if that was real", because honestly I thought that line was real and Satou answered with that question about her being happy. With a lot of you people on this discussion, I agree that Satou and Senpai could've had a life together if they had got together in high school (now that I remember, wasn't there a scene on the last days of Senpai at school that she locked the door, took off her vest, and kissed (?) him?). Anyway, as sad as it is (and I am REALLY sad about it), they can't be together anymore. Senpai really seems to have mental problems and needs some stability in her life, which I think Jogasaki and her coming child can give her. Satou is still troubled and can't give her that support. Really sad, and I became even sadder when I realised this episode and that whole event was their parting ways... I hope they do get to meet again in 10 years and they're all happy and stable! ("Sayonara, Senpai.")

Misaki. I hate how Satou didn't even THINK of her when he got lost and then met Senpai. It's like she's not important at all to him, even though fact is without her none of this would have happened and he would still be a real heavy hikikomori. Also, I first thought that her reaction seeing was simply being heartbroken because she misunderstood and she actually had feelings for him. I'm sure that's part of the case, but not fully the reason why she became so depressed, down, and sad. Finally, we see a deeper glimpse into her personality and life. It would seem to me that she had family problems, from the flashes I'd say divorced parents, domestic violence, alcoholism, possibly suicide or at least suicide attempts? Really makes me feel sad for her... Why did Satou have to lie about meeting Senpai? What is wrong with that? Why did he have to go and say it's some middle-aged guy? That doesn't make any damn sense.

Maybe for a lot of people, Misaki seems really selfish and insecure, especially her saying to herself that Satou is way lower than him and trash and all that and that he needs her, which gives her a reason for existing and living. Yeah, it's selfish, but I think it stems from her insecurity. I understand the feeling of being insecure, of feeling like you have no reason to live, to exist. That the world doesn't need you. Nothing, no one needs you. Even if you were gone, there'd be no change. You don't matter. That's what she's feeling. First, it was Senpai. From her eyes, it would seem that Satou doesn't need her as his only companion left. Second, the call with Yamazaki. She thought he still needed her for food, but he doesn't either. When she asked whether that meant he didn't need her anymore, I was CRUSHED.

Then the scene in the park. All her statements about suffering, pain, God, belief. I can really feel her pain, her suffering, what she's thinking, why she's thinking, the sadness, the grief, the depression. It was really heartbreaking. But Satou just sat there, while she was clearly showing for the first time (sincerely) that she NEEDED him, she needed SOMEONE. When I first began watching, I thought it was going to be Satou needing her help. But it turns out, they need each other's help and they help each other. Why did he just sit there? I see parallels with the scene where he was on the rooftop with Senpai in high school. She was crying after she broke up with her boyfriend, and he just sat there (again, sad, since if he had comforted her then, they might have got together). Misaki seems to be losing it. I'm curious and afraid to see what happens next with her and their relationship. I'm disappointed we didn't learn MORE about her, but at least it's starting, and with Senpai and Yamazaki's stories ended, I think we'll focus more on her.

As for Satou himself, can't really say I hate him. Life seems to be looking kind of better for him now, at least slightly. He was really stupid for not remembering Misaki at all during that time, but can't really HATE him. I hope he realises that Misaki is really meaningful to him in his life and that he needs to stop with Senpai and accept that that part is gone.

Overall... one of the best episodes in this series. After some less good episodes, I'm happy to see such a good one! This more serious tone is really the reason why I keep watching this series, and I'm only sad because there are only two episodes left... I really hope the ending isn't a cliffhanger and that it really is meaningful... (kinda hoping it's a happy ending for everyone to be honest). 5/5

P.S. Animation was a little weird. I'm not sure, but it was Senpai's face, especially before they parted ways. I'm not sure if it's because the animation was weird or because I'm just really not used to seeing her smiling.

P.P.S. Wow, this post got really long! Just shows you how much this episode had though.
May 17, 6:41 PM
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Satou's senpai is really a bad influence to him. Poor Misaki, Satou is still clueless and only interested in the food she brings.

2 episodes left!
May 18, 1:32 AM
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I just can't feel anything for Misaki. She dragged herself into this. Satou might be stupid, but he wasn't wrong this episode. I actually like his interaction with Hitomi more than with Misaki even though it's unhealthy af. To be fair, I also don't consider Satou x Misaki a healthy relationship. It's just weird.
Aug 14, 9:45 AM

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Damn poor Misaki. Satou did a bad thing.
Nov 1, 3:23 AM
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So I guess Sato x Misaki isn't going to happen, considering we see no indication of interest or appreciation from Sato.
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