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Sep 5, 2008 8:12 PM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Episode was a lot better than last one. Lots of action and very graphic. I feel a bit sick > <
 
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Oct 20, 2008 4:57 PM

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I agree the last one was bleah...
this one is also bleah, only in a different way.
 
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This episode, graphic as it was, it gave us a little background of Batou. We learned of his involvement in the conflicts of South America right after WW4. This conflict will aslo be touched upon in 2nd Gig and the two CIA operatives which will be introduced to us will also have roles to play in 2nd Gig.

Jungle Cruise gives us a better understanding of Batou, he may be all brute and guns blazing but to his credit, he still will not stoop low to the level of criminals in his search for justice.

Fine episode.
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Nov 21, 2008 7:53 PM

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Nov 25, 2008 7:17 AM

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Way better than the last episode.
 
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Mar 21, 2009 9:57 AM
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Is anyone else bothered by the blatant anti-Americanism in this episode??
 
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Mar 31, 2009 10:35 AM

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gatotsu911 said:
Is anyone else bothered by the blatant anti-Americanism in this episode??


no.
 
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May 4, 2009 11:33 PM

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Sohei said:
gatotsu911 said:
Is anyone else bothered by the blatant anti-Americanism in this episode??


no.



Nor me


I liked this episode as I am quite warming to batou as a character

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Jun 13, 2009 8:14 AM

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I liked this episode as I am quite warming to batou as a character
Same here, I'm starting to like him the most out of the Section 9 team.
 
Aug 4, 2009 11:43 PM

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this was definitely one of the sicker episodes, but hey they got the bad guy
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Aug 6, 2009 5:24 PM

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Very jacked up episode. It was good, but....still, jacked up.
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Nov 14, 2009 7:54 AM

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I like this episode the most so far. I'm really starting to like Batou. He looked like such a badass in the scene where he was in the jungle firing that mini gun.
 
Nov 15, 2009 4:13 PM

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YEh quite graphic for those of soft heart.... It was a great episode... After all we met Batou's past... an unknown past til this chapter... so this tiugh guy has a soft spot... not surprising... what's surprising is what he did in the past... How come he didn't finished with this Marcus guy before... Why he left him free? Dunno but that mistake in his past provoked this awesome episode

Shirt like skinned people... Ouch that gotta hurt tonnns.... BTW... It didn't look so gross at the beginning... But when they showed it more graphically I almost choked in my own surprise XD... Loved the resolution.... Batou you're the man!!! And Motoko is the girl!!!

Those CIAguys can go to hell... and yes there's some anti-Americanism... but heck, here they deserved it!! After all they made that Marcus (??) guy!

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Nov 20, 2009 2:04 PM

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What makes it really sick is that the american government has done this kind of shit in the past and is probably still doing it (not that Japan hasn't done its share of fucked up shit, of course).

Batou is badass, I thought he had lost it but I guess I underestimated him.
 
Jul 29, 2010 10:55 AM

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I'm loving Batou more and more. He's such a bro.
 
Sep 23, 2010 5:34 PM

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I want to throw a punch at those two CIA
Even when I was in crowd, I was always alone
 
Sep 30, 2010 3:14 AM

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I feel sick... But I liked the episode.
 
Nov 7, 2010 4:38 PM

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Very different episode from the last, though still great. The directing is excellent, and I think that this episode grows on me more each time I watch it.
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Nov 17, 2010 10:19 AM

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What was great about the 'gore' is that this episode isn't graphic. Instead, the direction is creative enough to emphasize how gruesome and shocking a skinned torso is without showing anything beneath the shoulders.
That was some pretty blaring political commentary, though-with the American 'Empire,' the CIA doing fucked up shit, and the Japanese-American agents as manipulative doormats with little humanity.

I loved the touch of dark humor at the end. While the crazy guy is being led up the stairs, Togusa won't go NEAR him, even with a gun. Then the CIA guys venture that they 'only have two return tickets!', and Togusa flies back on screen to flip out at them. All presented from a slightly distant view, allowing a smooth transition to Batou and the Major's more serious talk.
 
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Kvakond said:
This was heavy..


What? Is there something with the earth's gravitational pull in the future?

10 pts for the reference
 
Mar 23, 2011 6:33 PM

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A great, action packed episode. I personally enjoyed last episode a lot, but this one was very good as well.

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I want to throw a punch at those two CIA


Same, those guys really pissed me off. I hope they eventually get what's coming to them.
 
May 5, 2011 12:23 AM

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American Empire. American Imperial Navy. WTF is going on here?
 
May 15, 2011 3:07 PM

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Good episode, one of the better ones, IMO.
Such junk...
 
May 15, 2011 5:25 PM

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American Empire. American Imperial Navy. WTF is going on here?


In the Ghost in the Shell universe the USA was divided into three seperate nations after WW3.

The USA, the Ameri-Soviet Union and the American Empire (which is the most powerful).
 
Jul 25, 2011 12:59 AM
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Zepwich said:
Kvakond said:
This was heavy..


What? Is there something with the earth's gravitational pull in the future?

10 pts for the reference

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gatotsu911 said:
Is anyone else bothered by the blatant anti-Americanism in this episode??

Not really. Our gov't does immoral stuff quite often actually and deserves to be criticized sometimes.
 
Aug 28, 2011 4:17 AM

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really love this episode, not only we had learn Batou's past but the way he handled till the end is just badass. i would have probably killed the guy point blank without even talking to him.

oh the gruesome part was bad but the women screaming was the worst. seriously this is just some fucked up shit and i will not be surprised if things like this still happen in today's world.

really love it, this is why we need more anime's like this. the way they show it and how they set the pieces together flows really well. im starting to like this Stand Alone episodes. though Complex ones are the best :)

all in all another amazing episode. definitely ranking up to be one of my favorite animes of all time ^^
 
Aug 28, 2011 4:24 AM

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gatotsu911 said:
Is anyone else bothered by the blatant anti-Americanism in this episode??


why do you care really?? is it because for once american's are the bad guys and not the good old innocent country protecting themselves but retaliating in a more gruesome way??

it's the same thing happening in other media. if the russians are the bad guys it's all okay, but if it there's a movie showing how americans are the bad guys and killing everyone merciless now it's anti americanism??? wow just wow the ignorance is very staggering

plus it's only an anime?? so what are you trying to prove???

stop trying to think the US is all goody good and the hero of the world. it's far from it especially people outside of US.
 
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gatotsu911 said:
Is anyone else bothered by the blatant anti-Americanism in this episode??


Yeah I was. And of course everyone else here will say no because they are all weeaboo's.
 
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loneinthesnow said:
gatotsu911 said:
Is anyone else bothered by the blatant anti-Americanism in this episode??


Yeah I was. And of course everyone else here will say no because they are all weeaboo's.


Lol, did you made an account to complain about it?
 
Nov 16, 2011 6:52 AM

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Brutal and brilliant episode. When an episode makes you chilly and fear for the characters you know it's a good one.

I'm really liking how the episodes are becoming more character-specific, this offers greater development to the characters and a great in-depth look into their pasts and what's going on in their minds. I hope more characters get episodes like this, although I know not all of them will due to importance to the plot.

Somehow this reminds of Cowboy Bebop.

gatotsu911 said:
Is anyone else bothered by the blatant anti-Americanism in this episode??


Funny how people can be so one-sided and can only look in a straight line. Easy to forget the countless times Japan, Germany, South America, Eastern Europe and many other cultures are presented as the "enemy". But no one ever mentions the blatant "anti-Japanism" or "anti-Russianism" in other media.

I'm not complaining about it, but you need to grow up if you are bothered with this. This is entertainment, it's not something else trying to make a point.
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loneinthesnow said:
gatotsu911 said:
Is anyone else bothered by the blatant anti-Americanism in this episode??


Yeah I was. And of course everyone else here will say no because they are all weeaboo's.


it's pretty simple to turn a blind eye to what the masses feel is 'unpleasant', or not and eventually concede to indifference. but the bottom line is, every country is corrupt, whether it being their top officials or the majority, and no one is completely innocent.

like Veethorn stated, some of us seriously need to open their eyes and accept that it's ultimately entertainment, more so because it's Japanese entertainment, that you're watching.
 
Mar 3, 2012 3:41 PM

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Getting skinned alive. Damn, must suck.

Good Batou episode by the way.
 
Jun 5, 2012 3:28 PM

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More than freaking us out with the images, they showed the reactions.

And well... humans can do messed up shit.

I liked this episode! I liked last episode as well, but in a different way.

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loneinthesnow said:


Yeah I was. And of course everyone else here will say no because they are all weeaboo's.


Lol, did you made an account to complain about it?


That's what I thought.

And I think it's because America is a bit known for their wars. And more famous. Usually you see more of the US than Canada, Britain or other countries. You just don't really get the "war" image from other countries. Plus in anime, most "foreigners" in Japan are from America. Even like transfers students/ main characters, if from overseas, usually it's America, so... Well, actually, alot of people hate on the US. Just enjoy the episode.

Glad Batou didn't shoot the guy. :)

Rewatching Edit, 2016: Wishy washy reply I made there. Point being, it's not anti-American in this case. They just happen to be American.
That's like telling me The Pianist vilified the Germans just because it's a Holocaust film. Not the point. I'd say nationalists are the ones complaining here.
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Jun 13, 2012 11:05 PM

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Just wanted to drop in and say I loved this episode. Even though it was 24 min long it felt like I was watching a short movie. Excellent pacing + character development. So far this show is quickly becoming one of my top 10 favorite animes.
 
Jul 12, 2012 2:17 AM

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Great episode and pacing with this one. They give you just enough to want to learn more about batou's past all the way to the end that it keeps you at the edge of your seat the whole time.

I was bothered by the way america is portrayed in here, but it is just entertainment in the end. I'd be lying if it didn't bother me since I am from here, but this is all fiction to begin with. I'm sure all countries have done their fair share of messed up stuff. The important lesson here is to question your government and help prevent messed up things.
 
Jul 28, 2012 6:30 PM

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Best episode so far. Easily! Pretty intense and heavy stuff. :)
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Sep 5, 2012 6:02 PM
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I am re-watching all of Ghost in the shell;
I can simply say this.. I knew how this episode ended.. I knew how "cringing" it can be;
Second time watching it.. was exactly like the first time; I had my thoughts going a mile a minute.
The ending where he shoots and says "My war is over" Is so powerful; and the way he walks away after the whole thing (when he climbs the last stair he actually runs) he's obviously upset about his past, and he's glad he changed in a way and isn't psychologically destroyed like the rest of the operatives. I'm sure Marco + Batou were friends since they were all assigned in the same Operation, they probably had to converse with each other to keep their humanity. but after the operation they all stopped contacting; so imagine your friend going insane.

On the way America is portrayed.. it's actually very common in a lot of anime to show that America is a corrupted source of military power and does underhanded techniques and such; It's because of the whole situation of Pearl Harbor; Japanese used planes to attack naval boats and used surprise attacks, and then the USA retaliated by attacking civilian lives, sure it's war but again. They mention that it was after the war to throw in fear. Same thing USA did to Japan; they invoked fear to stop the war between them. (Just my thoughts)

Heavy burdens on Batou; I'd say he's always been my favorite character. He just looks badass and the way he was and the way he is.. it's like two different people and it's amazing how he changed for the better but still has all the badass training. It's like; a special forces character uses his training in daily life to better people, and not better the country.

I'd have to say, episodes that revolve around Batou are probably the most deep; and it's crazy how they can be, mainly because he's the rugged kind of guy, who solves something and then picks up all the regrets all over again and moves on and has a heavy burden but still somehow keeps going.
 
Oct 5, 2012 8:24 PM

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I thought he was going to be more of a challenge to take down, but I guess not haha. What a gross way of demoralizing people D=.

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Oct 16, 2012 9:53 PM

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What a monstrous episode, at times I feel bad being a citizen of the America Empire, oops, I meant America.

Seeing those poor girls getting strip off of their skin and later found out they had to watch themselves. What a monster, he makes Jason/Freddy look like generic character's from a horror movie, oops again.

Can't hate the soldier 100%, because the America Empire is partly to blame.
 
Oct 23, 2012 10:34 AM

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Nice episode!!!! I really thought Batou will shoot the suspect.. was so relieved when he didn't.
 
Dec 20, 2012 3:37 PM

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Well this sure was a quite fucked up case, good story though fucked up a bit :p I'm waiting for a new arc to start though!
 
Dec 21, 2012 9:55 AM

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Woah, can't believe how assfaced those guys from the CIA were. Characterization 10/10
 
Dec 22, 2012 6:06 AM

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A very good episode. Brutal, bloody but also touching. Also CIA guys pissed me off royal. Somebody could skin them too.

 
Dec 31, 2012 10:54 PM

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Damn, what a sick episode. That guy's hobby of flaying people alive....is just sick.
 
Apr 25, 2013 12:26 PM
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i cldnt stop muting the show every time someone was tortured i dislike tht stuff its horrid i cldnt imagine how u cld stay concious with tht kind of pain i nrly stoped watching this episode im glad some background info was given to batou
 
May 28, 2013 2:41 PM

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A Sick guy with a Sick hobby. Finally got to see some background on Batou.
 
May 29, 2013 3:13 PM

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alot of action int this one
 
Jun 20, 2013 1:01 AM
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Great episode; really atmospheric, lots of action, good backstory details. Gripping stuff.
 
Jul 3, 2013 3:14 PM

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reminds me of an episode of Dexter or Hannibal.
 
Dec 12, 2013 3:54 AM

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This episode...is just so moving. The American CIAs are just...douches.
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