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Mar 18, 10:55 PM
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I finally finished watching season 3 after 7 years.
 
Mar 22, 10:09 PM

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Just finished all three seasons within this week (still need to see the OVA/Specials/Movie), but gotta say I much preferred the first and second seasons over this one. It was hard to keep track of what's going on, and I didn't really understand why Yuji's plan was a bad thing. A world where humans and denizens coexist? Sounds pretty great to me, yet everybody's trying to stop it? I really did not like Yuji being made the enemy, and wish Shana could've gone back to the school life. Yuji didn't even say goodbye to his parents or friends. Everything just felt lackluster, but I made it through.


Honestly, if I had to choose between Kozumi or Shana, I'd choose Kozumi, since she can actually age and not look 12 forever lol.
 
Mar 22, 10:18 PM

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Did sakai yuuji parents and friends remember him and shana?


I was wondering that. He's no longer a torch, so his existence is back, yet none of his friends or parents seem to notice his absence in the end. It'd be nice to get a special or some OVA that would expand as an epilogue, because the end just looks like Kozumi got the short end of the stick. She'll never see Shana or Yuji again, Hirai is oddly amazingly friendly with her for some unknown reason, and everybody associated with the Crimson world (aside from Sato and Marjery) are gone. I guess, the series would've been better if Ike, Yuji's best friend, had been a support character along for the ride, like in Bleach with Ichigo's friends.

Sigh, so much potential from this show, yet so many loose ends. I'm assuming the light novels expand more on this world, but I'll never get to read them.
 
Mar 22, 10:25 PM
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Frosty said:
I didn't really understand why Yuji's plan was a bad thing. A world where humans and denizens coexist? Sounds pretty great to me, yet everybody's trying to stop it?
As said during episode 15

We will join this war. Because however disagreeable it may be, what the Snake of the Festival said earlier is true. We the four Gods of the Earth have been told what truly caused the storm in the rift, the omen of great catastrophe by the Flamen Warrior Sky Heart. And that cause is Tomogara changing humans into the unstable energy known as power of existence. The world is unbalanced with every concrete existence is loses. As a counter event the storm is formed within the rift. If the God of Creation goes to the new world with the Tomogara the unstable energy will be brought back to this world and the storm shall die down. But if they cause havoc in the new world as they do in this world then eventually a return to catastrophe. We who live on this side will have no business policing what they choose to do on the other side. Still we the Four Gods of Earth will fight the Snake of the Festival, the God of Creation. Because this world, Guze and the new world in the rift are all part of the greater world. We the Four Gods of the Earth will fight against the selfish mind creating a new innocent world
Yuji indeed planned to go to Xanadu and create a way for coexistence but the law to prevent Tomogara from killing people wasn't originally planned at all until Justus was revealed. For all the Flame Haze knew the Tomogara would continue killing humans as they have for centuries but now without punishment or even some kind of surveillance since its a Paradise made for them to do anything they desire. The Flame Haze aren't fighting to stop coexist but to make the New World and the balance of all Worlds stable as you can see being expressed in episode 21

Yeah.... The reason we still keep on killing and killing and killing you guys! This war is an execution ground upon which everyone is killed!
I could slay thousands... tens of thousands... hundreds of thousands... or even a million, the desire to go to the new world will never dwindle. So we will kill as many beasts who know the taste of humans... any pests that know the feel of it. We'll eradicate the experience of feasting upon humans as much as possible! For the good of the soon-to-be newborn world!

Listen carefully you with power. We will depart, and you will search for your new sanctuary
There may not be any but there may be some. Those that gathered here, Listening to their inner desire shall die as such.
Those who survive will live and remember what they just saw. The ultimate fate of beasts that know the taste of humans. How the pests that know the feel of eating humans ultimately ended up. But the birth of the new world will continue. Even after those that survive today go to the other side. In the future, many newly spawned Tomogara are likely to travel to the new world. There you will become an emissary of the past. You will turn into an elder who used to eat humans. You shall talk about the past under the stars, upon vehicles, at parties and in bed. How those who used to eat humans met merciless death while trying to cross over to your world. Its a fact. It will result in the formation of a taboo. We are here to create that history. We are here to bring death to as many as possible. Today is the end of an era for Tomogara. The last day of eating humans. Guze no Tomogara, those that live on this world with us. This is how we continue to make this world, Guze and the future of all the worlds, even including within the rift. Now and forever
 
Mar 22, 10:30 PM

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Yes, this does help clarify it a bit, but what was stopping Yuji from talking it over with Shana and the others, and implementing the 'no-kill' rule in the first place? I get Yuji had a huge amount of guilt within him, but I'm assuming if he had just decided to restrict the denizens' freedoms, they would stop respecting him/Snake as their God? Sorry, this season was just confusing for me, as it just felt like they were trying to extend a short arc into 24 episodes, when it could've done with less.
 
Mar 22, 10:58 PM
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Frosty said:
Yes, this does help clarify it a bit, but what was stopping Yuji from talking it over with Shana and the others, and implementing the 'no-kill' rule in the first place? I get Yuji had a huge amount of guilt within him, but I'm assuming if he had just decided to restrict the denizens' freedoms, they would stop respecting him/Snake as their God? Sorry, this season was just confusing for me, as it just felt like they were trying to extend a short arc into 24 episodes, when it could've done with less.
Revealing everything could endanger the creation of Xanadu. As Johan said in episode 19. Yuji didn't believe love was strong enough to overcome such a obstacle. He only trusted in himself and decided to hold all responsibility for his actions and team up with Bal Masque which he believed would lead to his ultimate goal. The Flame Haze and Guze no Tomogara had been at war for over 3000 years now. Simply talking and coming to an agreement at that point is impossible.

Yuji implementing a no kill law wouldn't have caused less respect either I believe since he made sure to not let any human be consumed in Misaki City and Tomogara still followed him. Xanadu not originally having any restrictions is because thats the kind of God Snake of the Festival is. As you can see during his parting words with Yuji. ”Sakai Yuji. Im fond of your strong philosophy and support it, as well. But in the end, you know what sort of God I am. So I will permit your actions since I approve of desires. Even if no else approves of them I will.”
Or you can rewatch his speech from episode 14

The point is that is that Snake of the Festival wants a world his people are free to do whatever they want in and Yuji wants a world where he no longer has to worry about the safety of his family and friends along with finally ending the mission of the Flame Haze so Shana wont just be a tool.
He had to make certain sacrifices so to be able to work with Snake of the Festival. Even Snake of the Festival made compromises with Yuji and with held information from his Trinity as you can see when Bel Peol and Sydonay felt uneasy about it during the beginning of the season.
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Aug 15, 3:27 AM

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What a disappointment this season was. It made me dislike Yuuji so much that I can't see this as a good ending.
 
Aug 30, 4:15 AM

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Tihis series was soo good ... story and character development wise Xd
OP and ED Themes were also great as well
Was filled with emotions after finishing this series and a satisfying ending :>
9/10 I would recommend to watch
The ED song for this final episode really fits in well and a rlly good song, heres a link :> (just hope it dosent get taken down :3)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A2V0Mq6J70
 
Sep 23, 6:32 AM

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Finished rewatching this iconic series once again... For such a long living series and escalating to such scale, invoking so many plots... I really wish there was some epilogue, how everyone turned ut on earth, what life in xanadu was like, how people coped with the reality of people they'd never see again, etc.
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Oct 13, 8:07 PM

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Dammit I'm so pissed off....



Overall...I didn't like this season nearly as much as the first two. Waaaaaaaaay too convoluted and Yuji's Face Heel Turn was idiotic. The best part was Margery and Keisaku actually doing it. xD I wanted them to get together....but was shocked it actually happened. LET ALONE SEX.

Rofl, good for you, boi.
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