| Its up to you if you want to read it or not. I just made this for people who are having trouble understanding the ending. No one is right, and no one is wrong in my opinion. Its all speculation. Here is a copy and paste of my blog entry explaining the ending. (my take on it with pictures, quotes, and evidence) |
funkotakuOct 8, 2012 10:46 AM
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| Again, excellent explanation and interpretation of the ending. It was a really interesting read. (it was also cool how you added all the other possible possibilities as well) =p |
| Awesome post. But this is strange, Elen said: "These memories are enough for me to continue living" and after she comitted suicide using the poisonous flower.. |
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Glub said: Awesome post. But this is strange, Elen said: "These memories are enough for me to continue living" and after she comitted suicide using the poisonous flower.. I'm pretty sure she poison herself several months, maybe even years after she said that. She probably felt it was okay to live on at the moment, but as time passed by, it wasn't worth it. She made enough memories with him so it doesn't even matter anymore. (plus Inferno is still after her and she rather kill herself than have Inferno kill her off on their own) Again, just my opinion. xD |
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OriginANIME said: Its up to you if you want to read it or not. I just made this for people who are having trouble understanding the ending. No one is right, and no one is wrong in my opinion. Its all speculation. Here is a copy and paste of my blog entry explaining the ending. (my take on it with pictures, quotes, and evidence) Updated. |
funkotakuOct 8, 2012 10:47 AM
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Venneria said: Awesome OriginANIME. you gave me alot of great information. to think i knew this little about one of my top five. thanks. Haha no problem, glad I can help! Thanks for reading. :) Oh and feel free to leave a message on my blog entry everyone! Much appreciated, thanks guys! http://myanimelist.net/blog.php?eid=692059 |
funkotakuApr 9, 2012 2:38 AM
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| Nice. OriginANIME, thank you for sharing, very interesting. :) |
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| Excellent analysis! Your thoughts are really compelling and does a great job expanding the end's meaning. Thanks for the share! |
| "It is the emptiness that make the stars bright." "If you've known pain and hardship, it is easier to be kind to others." |
| Haha thanks, and no problem! Glad I can help. :) |
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| i agree with your later interpretation. I too believed she lost the will to continue to live, so ended up killing herself after Reiji's death |
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| Thank you so much for that explanation. I was sure that that flower had some sort of special meaning in the end, but I seriously had no idea that it was so poisonous. Phantom is one of the greatests series I've watched this year. Seriously, thank you so much once again for explaining the ending. Dramatic anime serie, all the way 'til the bitter end. |
| Disregarding all the haters (no offense intended here), I think your explanation is probably the one of the most coherent ones posted on MAL. Great job! Sadly, we'll never know what the *real* ending was. |
Dissent said: Disregarding all the haters (no offense intended here), I think your explanation is probably the one of the most coherent ones posted on MAL. Great job! Sadly, we'll never know what the *real* ending was. Haha thanks, and yeah, we'll never know what the "real" ending was. Everything is just an assumption made with some solid evidence, but still an assumption nonetheless. =p |
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| Nice condensed explanations... Still doesn't explain how the fuck could Reiji dies by a mongol bullet whereas he danced with yakuza and mafia bullets through out all the anime meh. I wonder how are the endings in the Visual Novel. I should give it a go. |
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| The biggest flaw I see here is the bullet casing and how you express it must be her own because it was too far from the road. That's not a problem at all. It's very easy for casings to be launched 10, 15, even 20 feet away from where they were fired. Especially in the case of a round fired through a suppressor, which chokes the gas that is released when a round is fired, which in turn creates more back pressure which will exit out of the ejection slot with the spent casing. What I think happened is that Reiji finally helped Elen find the place that would make her whole. A past; an existence outside of a life of death and despair. He knew inferno was tracking him, and having finally fulfilled the promise he made to one of the people he loves the most, could finally stop running. He stepped away from Elen because he knew his time had come, and didn't want her to bear witness to his end and ruin their final moment together, when she finally smiles. The man in the cart kills Reiji, and when Elen discovers him, she ends her life. She says the memories of him are enough for her to continue living, but earlier in the series she also says she has nothing and noone if Reiji dies, and could not go on to live without him. She has her memories and that will never change. Her entire will to live was driven by the love she developed for Reiji, and their plans together. Having killed the man who put her in a state of pure despair, escaping with the one she loves, and finally finding her home, where she came from, she can die in peace and forever be with Reiji. They've finally found peace. |
ShiveronSep 13, 2012 7:07 AM
༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Praise the Oppai ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ  |
drakere said: This is just a stupid addition and distasteful addition to the anime just to add a "shock" factor to the ending of the anime This never happens in the VN. Rest assured, they both live happily live ever after. Seriously, Zwei, an infamous assassin and survived impossible life and death situations and who can dodge bullets like dodging rain in a storm, is somehow found in the middle of who knows, Mongolia and caught off guard? Yeah right. Just a extremely bad way to shock viewers. Nothing more, nothing less. Personally I think the ending was great. I feel that maybe after months of feeling he was free, Reiji let his guard down. I think that maybe he knew death was coming for him and instead of worrying about survival (something that Inferno and Sythe used to control him) he tried to enjoy what time he had left with Elen as an act of defiance for the two years he spent as their slave. I also belive that Elen was shot. Overall great anime! I need to find a U.S. copy of the video game that started it all :) |
| This thread is stupid. You can't kill yourself by eating a geranium. The worst you could get is some nausea or irritations. |
| -Fixing- |
| Ha, thanks. I was like "da hell just happened?" |
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hhickey said: That ending made me so mad I stormed out of my living room! I really appreciate your thoughts on the ending because I was lost. I never understood the missing petal just assumed it was a symbol for losing Reji but your idea makes more sense. It would have been nice to have a happy ending but the bitter sweet and more realistic ending was needed. I know they are just characters but I really wished they could have grown old together. This show put forth effort in showing how fucked up the world can be at times so it's only fitting they didn't get a happy ending. Fact is most people like them never do. btw Geraniums aren't even deadly if eaten lol |
AvereOct 1, 2012 5:29 AM
| Sorry for butting in, but quick question. Phantom: Requiem for the Phantom has like a Mafia setting so I was wondering if you guys think it's better in dubs or subs ? |
| "However, by that point you'll have been torn into pieces." |
| Thanks again everyone for both positive and negative feedback, I really do appreciate it! I fixed a few things so feel free to check it out! :) - OriginANIME Matthew671 said: Sorry for butting in, but quick question. Phantom: Requiem for the Phantom has like a Mafia setting so I was wondering if you guys think it's better in dubs or subs ? Subs definitely better, though that's just my opinion. |
funkotakuOct 7, 2012 12:40 PM
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| Geraniums aren't toxic T . T though I like that as the idea of Elens death better. |
| how do we even know if hes dead? they kind of cut it off with out explaining i though it was the cart driver O_o who was stalking them at the ending. why! do we have to think hes dead? maybe he was tired and passed out? |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
| thank you for posting this, that was fun xDDD |
| Thanks originanime. Your theory makes sense. They're both dead for sure. Such a sad end, yet fitting for a series that is entitled "Requiem for a Phantom" Good, I wish people who read VN's would get it through their heads that things can change from one medium to the other. |
FarabeufOct 17, 2012 12:11 PM
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
hazerddex said: how do we even know if hes dead? they kind of cut it off with out explaining i though it was the cart driver O_o who was stalking them at the ending. why! do we have to think hes dead? maybe he was tired and passed out? Yeah he's really tired. So tired that he's taking a dirt nap :p |
| I really liked this show, however I would like to know how Elen got out of the water when she was "killed" by Reiji. Your explanation of the ending was really good, Origin, because it helped me to get over the first shock ;) Well my opinion, after I rewatched the ending: Elen and Reiji found that place together. There are scenes where they are definately together and talking to each other, up to the point when he gets shot. I think Inferno found them (things have to be done...), shot Reiji. We don't see how Elen escaped, but she did. Then she gets back to that point, thinking about the time with Reiji. And she decides to live on for him, holding the memories. I don't think she killed herself. She failed to do so before and she evolved her mind up to that point. So my opinion is, that she lives on to fulfill Reijis dream: that she can live a happy life. The bullet shell could be the old one, from the shot that killed Reiji. And as others already said: Geranium can not kill you and even is used for medication ;). With this explantion...I am okay :D Great show! |
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Hyunckel said: Nice condensed explanations... Still doesn't explain how the fuck could Reiji dies by a mongol bullet whereas he danced with yakuza and mafia bullets through out all the anime meh. I wonder how are the endings in the Visual Novel. I should give it a go. even great assassins have their blind spots.. that's where assassins find their chance, when your on your lowest guard.. this just shows that he's still human and btw.. i really think origin's idea is close.. though Reiji's place of death differs from Elen, (Reiji's area somewhat looks like a cliff or close to a cliff) |
tounoyaboysNov 17, 2012 12:14 AM
| The ending was pretty obvious since the start of the anime, it's not even worth telling my interpretation of it. |
OriginANIME said: Its up to you if you want to read it or not. I just made this for people who are having trouble understanding the ending. No one is right, and no one is wrong in my opinion. Its all speculation. Here is a copy and paste of my blog entry explaining the ending. (my take on it with pictures, quotes, and evidence) Awesome explanations, thanks a lot :-). This anime is vying in my head for top spot. In the past, St. Luminous Mission High School was uncontested, but now I'm not so sure. They're very different types of animes, but I just can't get some of the scenes from Phantom out of my head. My favourite scene in the anime (actually, probably in any anime) is the scene starting at about 21:35, where a certain someone is revealed to definitely still be alive and well: I play the musical piece in that scene on a regular rotation these days. |
| The bullet casing is among the flowers, is it impossible it to have just been a murder suicide thing? I know that's morbid but I think that the way they avoided showing the shooter or the shooting exactly is slightly suspect and that fact that he didn't call out to warn her is also pretty odd. A large part of Ryuji's prowess in fighting was that he had excellent instincts and to whoever said that they would be hunted for the rest of their lives by Inferno, I would've thought that two of the strongest assassins in the world could've killed the man in charge. This isn't a particularly well written response but if I leave it 'til later I'll just end up leaving it. I don't think that Elen and Ryuji would've split up, they were practically living for each other. The part with Elen fading away after Ryuji was shot also makes me thing that she shot him and then ate the poisonous flowerpetal and died. I would've liked for them to have survived to be honest, I think that they could've had a decent life together and that they would've been able to escape Infero or destroy them if they had chosen to. I also wish they hadn't killed Cal, I really felt for her and I think that they could've worked things out if they'd made an effort to... Still, I enjoyed the series and I'm glad I saw it. |
| Hachikuji: Araragi-san, you don't look even the least bit apologetic. You should at least say something after touching a girl's delicate chest! Araragi: *Clueless look* Thanks? Bakemonogatari, Episode 5. |
| I was really enjoying the anime, the ending is the segment you should always execute well, unfortunately it wasn't. A prime example of a failure to execute a last second twist ending. No matter how I interpret the ending, considering any theory (which you've done a good job on) it was still lackluster and disregards everything else; a shame, I was excited to watch this after seeing Nitroplus made this, after they handled Chaos;head (the VN) so well. |
BeryllusFeb 12, 2013 10:22 PM
| This ending was really depressing, it was a huge twist at the very end, I came here immediately to see what others had to say, well what I can say I fell better, but true it was a bitter sweet realistic ending. |
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