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Mar 17, 2012 1:45 PM

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I'll never forget this series and specially this particular season, I loved it so much. I actually enjoyed this more than Bakemono.
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Mar 17, 2012 1:48 PM

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the only thing i liked about the tsukihi arc was the op song
didnt like this sequel very much, ill give it a 5/10
 
Mar 17, 2012 1:50 PM

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Last episode was really good.
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Mar 17, 2012 1:52 PM

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Teen Shinobu is really hot, actually Shinobu in any age/size is hot. Btw i still cant believe they manage to end the arc with this episode when Tsukihi only made minimum appearance throughout her arc.

Well im guessing the "continue" either means an extra in the blu ray or the Nekomonogatari. Still cant wait, and i seriously mean CANT WAIT for Shaft to animate the rest of the monogatari series. Wonder how many years that is gonna take, but i'll wait patiently.

feel exactly the same
i think this final was perfect, 10/10 for me
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Mar 17, 2012 1:54 PM

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LMAO! I totally knew I'd see a shitload of epic screams on these boards when i saw Senjougahara at the end. I had to take a double take myself. For a second she looked a bit like Kanbaru. I don't know. sure, i like long flowing hair. But i guess right now shorter hair is the "in" thing in Japan. As long as her personality is there it's all that matters.

Shinobu's second form is sweet as hell. As much as loli Shinobu was cute, her new current form is more "sexy" and i then could actually enjoy seeing her naked instead of wincing while saying "I'm watching for the dialogue" repeatedly.

Araragi doing his "i'm going to let you beat me up while bore you to death with my epic speech" routine was amusing. Especially when Shinobu is trying to keep a straight face when holding him up. funny stuff.

I don't get Japan and their "'I hate you,' but you mean a lot to me"" thing. So like if you aren't going to have sex with someone you tell them you hate them or something? Concept seems different to me. Like in the US there's various levels of Love. So i could say i love my sister. It doesn't mean i want to stick my dick in her. She's just family and a good friend. It's almost the opposite. In the US when your willing to say you hate someone it really means "i can't stand you stay away from me"
 
Mar 17, 2012 2:07 PM
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Wow! That fight was awesome... morbid, but awesome!
I liked the ending, even though I tend to hate "unfinished" wrap-ups like this, but meh...
Guess I prefer the Bake series, only because it was longer :P
 
Mar 17, 2012 2:09 PM
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Wow! That fight was awesome... morbid, but awesome!
I liked the ending, even though I tend to hate "unfinished" wrap-ups like this, but meh...
Guess I prefer the Bake series, only because it was longer :P


I'm not sure but we might get the same treatment as bake and get webcasted episodes that release in much larger intervals.
 
Mar 17, 2012 2:29 PM

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wow, it's already over ;/

koyomi got F*CKED UP during the fight lol, but his speech about his sisters and family was epic

also, im still VERY disappointed at the lack of senjougahara...

she got like a total of 15 seconds throughout the WHOLE episode, and she didn't even get to talk.
(still liked the beach scene at the very end though, just wished it couldve lasted a LOT longer)

cant wait for the rest of the monogatari series now!!! :D

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Mar 17, 2012 2:30 PM
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I can't complain, I saw this coming- SHAFT always has poor budgeting. Still a great series overall, and the ending was better than expected frankly.

Looking forward to more shinobu than Senjougahara in this year's Kizumonogatari.

You guys can't honestly claim you were 'trolled' out of a good ending? It's SHAFT, come on. They're charmingly annoying like that.


There wont be any senjougahara in Kizu.

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Mar 17, 2012 2:30 PM

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Oh man..great episode =o
Now let's see if we'll have another gatari series right? *-*
 
Mar 17, 2012 2:45 PM

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Wow, what a way to end this off. During the gory parts of Kagenui literally beating the SHIT out of Araragi, I had to turn my head away from the screen at some points. Blegh. Anyways, I was bothered by just how much Kagenui sounded like Onizuka Hime from SKET Dance! I mean, they have the same voice actors, but still.

Anyways, this episode was a wonderful ending to Nisemonogatari. Tsukihi Phoenix was much, much better than Karen Bee in my opinion.

Lastly, WHY DID GAHARA-SAN CUT HER HAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! First Hanekawa, then Karen, now Gahara-san.

Oh, and one more thing, Shinobu was extremely badass this episode. Can't wait to watch Kizumonogatari!
 
Mar 17, 2012 2:47 PM
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Oh, and one more thing, Shinobu was extremely badass this episode. Can't wait to watch Kizumonogatari!


I liked Gahara's short hair.
Shinobu is my favourite, she's so damn good at being an almighty loli.
 
Mar 17, 2012 2:51 PM

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About Kagenui's blabber about philosophy. Both of those chinese philosophers that Kagenui mentioned are Confucianist. Confucius, just laid out teachings for social order but didn't ponder on human nature so there was a dichotomy, or a division between 2 school of thought that interpret the nature of man, Mencius and Shun Tzu; the former believes that there is an inherent goodness among us but because of external factors, we are influence and eventually become evil, thus, we need education to nurture the four seeds, namely: Compassion, Shame, Respect, Knowledge of Right and Wrong. On the other hand, the later believes that all men are evil in nature and that we don't have 4 seeds in us, however, he believes that it is also education(environment and those who learn from it) that can make us good for with education we realize our true nature and we are able to correct it, and to finally, to do away with it.

Overall, Mencius think that men are naturally inclined to do good, but Shun Tzu argues that men are evil, and goodness is a conscious activity derived from learning our evil nature because it is the way to relate with others.


Well, that's just my interpretation about those 2 - to each his own.
 
Mar 17, 2012 2:57 PM

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awsome sequel, no complains for me 10/10

and happily waiting the koyomi vamp arc =)
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Mar 17, 2012 2:58 PM

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Great series ,loved the teen Shinobu ,Gahara looks like Kanbaru with short hair.
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Mar 17, 2012 2:59 PM
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awsome sequel, no complains for me 10/10

and happily waiting the koyomi vamp arc =)


Especially with Shinobu~

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About Kagenui's blabber about philosophy. Both of those chinese philosophers that Kagenui mentioned are Confucianist. Confucius, just laid out teachings for social order but didn't ponder on human nature so there was a dichotomy, or a division between 2 school of thought that interpret the nature of man, Mencius and Shun Tzu; the former believes that there is an inherent goodness among us but because of external factors, we are influence and eventually become evil, thus, we need education to nurture the four seeds, namely: Compassion, Shame, Respect, Knowledge of Right and Wrong. On the other hand, the later believes that all men are evil in nature and that we don't have 4 seeds in us, however, he believes that it is also education(environment and those who learn from it) that can make us good for with education we realize our true nature and we are able to correct it, and to finally, to do away with it.

Overall, Mencius think that men are naturally inclined to do good, but Shun Tzu argues that men are evil, and goodness is a conscious activity derived from learning our evil nature because it is the way to relate with others.


Well, that's just my interpretation about those 2 - to each his own.


I was actually wondering about this, your summary is nice- though I Found that the two of them just backing off was majorly anticlimatic. Just like how the con artist just left the city.
 
Mar 17, 2012 3:16 PM

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Koyomi took that beating like a boss.

Nice way to end even though it leaves wanting more.

Can't wait for the BDs to come out for archival purposes.
 
Mar 17, 2012 3:17 PM
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Koyomi took that beating like a boss.

Nice way to end even though it leaves wanting more.

Can't wait for the BDs to come out for archival purposes.


This reminds me of his fight with Suruga monkey in the first series, except this time it wasn't censored by rainbow paint :')
 
Mar 17, 2012 3:18 PM

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IAlready said:
About Kagenui's blabber about philosophy. Both of those Chinese philosophers that Kagenui mentioned are Confucian. Confucius, just laid out teachings for social order but didn't ponder on human nature so there was a dichotomy, or a division between 2 school of thought that interpret the nature of man, Mencius and Shun Tzu; the former believes that there is an inherent goodness among us but because of external factors, we are influence and eventually become evil, thus, we need education to nurture the four seeds, namely: Compassion, Shame, Respect, Knowledge of Right and Wrong. On the other hand, the later believes that all men are evil in nature and that we don't have 4 seeds in us, however, he believes that it is also education(environment and those who learn from it) that can make us good for with education we realize our true nature and we are able to correct it, and to finally, to do away with it.

Overall, Mencius think that men are naturally inclined to do good, but Shun Tzu argues that men are evil, and goodness is a conscious activity derived from learning our evil nature because it is the way to relate with others.


Well, that's just my interpretation about those 2 - to each his own.


I was actually wondering about this, your summary is nice- though I Found that the two of them just backing off was majorly anticlimactic. Just like how the con artist just left the city.
You can find out more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mencius
compare and enrich upon both info.

Essentially my take in it is that the reasoning of the fake being worth more due its efforts in mimicking the real are questionable for each person. You can value your fake as much I value my real but in thee end the composition is what really matters. Kaiki omitted that on purpose to focus on the one aspect of feelings/attachment. In other words Kaiki explained the concept of being "xxxHolic" one of valuing objects and the level of being attached to them. Which is interesting on its own.
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Mar 17, 2012 3:29 PM

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Gahara-san Why???? T_T

Anyways awesome series 10/10 :]
But.........Gahara-san WHY ;_;
 
Mar 17, 2012 3:31 PM

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Sigh why are so many of the girls getting short hair >__>

Overall this series was pretty enjoyable ^^. The close to incest moments were really funny and added a nice touch. Seeing Shinobu in her (semi) adult form was also a nice addition.

I don't know why I haven't though about this up til now, but how strong is Koyomi exactly? Every fight up til now he's gotten the crap beaten out of him >_>

After watching this, I'm getting the sudden urge to play an eroge with either imoutos or vampires.
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Mar 17, 2012 3:31 PM

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Please Nisemonogatari is next! I read the Light novel and I can't wait for it.

Shinobu when she is about 15 years old, I think. That's a good form for her, but I don't think she can survive in that form.

 
Mar 17, 2012 3:31 PM

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I don't know how to describe this fight. I know - AWESOME!

And Shinobu ;o ;o ;o Love!
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Mar 17, 2012 4:00 PM

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Good final episode to a fairly good adaption o/ greatly enjoyed Nisemono ! Hope the next adaption comes soon~
 
Mar 17, 2012 4:00 PM

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Kagenui's last line gave me the shivers. "Then, let me say something that Oshino would never say....good bye."

Perfect. Absolutely perfect.
 
Mar 17, 2012 4:08 PM
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Great conclusion, it was Platinum good. XD

The dialogue is usually great but this episode outdid itself, I couldn't ask for more.

... But why is everyone cutting their hair? is it due to Koyomi's tastes... well I don't agree with those. I hope the author at least lets Shinobu keep her gorgeous long blonde hair...

Anyway, I'll definitely be keeping an eye for the next installments.

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That ending....;A;

Debating over giving this a 9 or 10, I'll stick to 9 right now.
Ha, thought the same and with the same conclusion, I'm giving this a 9 too.

I would have given it a 10 if it hadn't been so fanservice heavy... Don't get me wrong, it was "nicely" done and I don't particularly dislike it, but it does take screen time that could be used otherwise and it can also be quite distracting.

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I don't know why I haven't though about this up til now, but how strong is Koyomi exactly? Every fight up til now he's gotten the crap beaten out of him >_>
Well, being an epic pouching bag has its merits.
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Mar 17, 2012 4:11 PM

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The whole anime was splendidly done. While there was a tid bit more focus on the ecchi part, the dialogues had been as good as Bakemonogatari. The kiss didn't seem to carry any malice in it, but it was still Tsukihi's first kiss. So it might have been pretty awful for her, but then again, if we just take that as a kiss shared between two, who love each other for being their family with no sexual desire behind it, it might seem pure and sweet.

Loved the anime through and through. Both Tsukihi and Karen are adorable little sisters any brother would cherish to have in their family.

Senjougahara in the end with short hair was T_T
But I love her anyways for what she is, her personality mainly. So, it wasn't that depressing like many of her fans felt like.

9/10 and probably will remain one of the best anime of 2012, despite the year isn't even into it's Q2 shows.

Cannot wait for the rest of the monogatari series to be animated. They better keep their promise or I will be sad. :'(

 
Mar 17, 2012 4:20 PM
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Great dialogue.

Probably my favorite show this season.
 
Mar 17, 2012 4:34 PM

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Siscon fanservice is amazing. "Isn't it hot having a sister who really isn't your sister?"

I guess I'm Platinum Happy with how this series went. The cast was amazing again and the comedy was brilliant. I also didn't mind the imouto fanservice.

9/10.
 
Mar 17, 2012 4:58 PM

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Loved "older" Shinobu in this ep, but why the hell do they have to ruin Senjougahara like that!? They already ruined Hanekawa's hair (though that was standable since I just don't like her), but Senjougahara is awesome with long hair so they really, really did a bad move by cutting her hair. Oh well, I just hope that it'll grow out in some sequel.
 
Mar 17, 2012 5:10 PM

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It's a great episode. I hope they will show fighting scene of shinobu and Yotsugi. I wanna Kiss-shot Acerola-orion Heart-under-blade kiss her ass in animation :P

 
Mar 17, 2012 5:25 PM

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Overall i enjoyed this season alot sad to see this end but even knowing we have the movie next i still kinda felt like something was missing i guess i was just expecting them to beat the Girls in some badass way but they just ended up giving up oh well still loved older Shinobu pray to god whenever we get another season she stays that way.


as i think alot of people would agree major rage factor of this season is everyone CUTTING THEIR GOD DAMN HAIR!
 
Mar 17, 2012 5:38 PM

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Good stuff overall. Karen bee felt dragged out a bit, but many of the conversations still kept my interest. 9/10.
Senjougahara still looks nice with short hair imo. xD
Now that I think about it, there was a severe lacking of Senjougahara in this series... it's supposed to focus on the sisters, but still. :P
 
Mar 17, 2012 5:41 PM

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Overall, I enjoyed the season more than last season, though this season have more... things I dislike.

It's a 2 step forward and 1 step back for me. But I definitely enjoyed this more than Bakemono... I really like how Koyomi is working so hard for his family, as well as the philosophy of Imposters might actually be more real than the real thing... Really got me thinking.
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I don't know anything about the novels but is there anything else that is a sequel to what we've seen animated so far or is it only going to start doing prequels? I kinda wanna see that girlfriend introduction.

Oh and short hair -1. She looks way too, I guess innocent that way with her smiling. I prefer her smirks :)
 
Mar 17, 2012 5:43 PM

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Great episode and a great conclusion of the series. I give the anime as a whole 10/10 but Bakemonogatari still was a little better.

Anyway I love the teen version of Shinobu cause she was awfully hot and cool. And the fight with Araragi was pretty good aswell, and the dialogues are great as usual.

And I think Senjougahara still looks pretty good in short hair even though it was a better when she had long hair.
 
Mar 17, 2012 5:47 PM

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NisiOisiN is a genius. I'm so lucky to have been blessed by his works.

Not gonna say anything. I already sold my soul to the 'gataries when I stumbled upon Bakemonogatari.
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Mar 17, 2012 5:48 PM

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Yozuru Kagenui: "Whatever you value...what you consider right is up to you. But don't force those ideals onto other people."

...What a !@#$ing hypocrite. She is just so full of shit. Those words should have been about herself rather than Araragi. "don't force your ideals onto other people"? That's exactly what she has been doing from the start.


Also, I hope Kaiki eats shit and dies in feces and a pool of his own blood.
 
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Hageshiikaze said:
I don't know anything about the novels but is there anything else that is a sequel to what we've seen animated so far or is it only going to start doing prequels? I kinda wanna see that girlfriend introduction.

Oh and short hair -1. She looks way too, I guess innocent that way with her smiling. I prefer her smirks :)
From what I hear there are fifteen novels, and shaft plans to animate them all. In other words, we'll have a lot more monogatari to watch(bake and nise are the first two, there are still neko, etc. so no prequels yet probably except kizu).
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Haha, I really enjoyed this episode, here's why:

-Koyomi got his ass kicked, BIG TIME!
-Teen Shinobu is a freakin' hottie
-Koyomi kissing his sister (Wincest FTW!)
-The reveal that Oshino, Kaiki, Yozuru were friends back in college ( -monogatari just blew my mind!)

Although I still think that Bakemonogatari was a little bit better, the sequel was highly entertaining nonetheless !
 
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I really liked how they wraped up the story here. Fight scene was well made and fitted with the big amount of dialogue we got during it. Great to learn more and more about these characters, i really want to see more Monogatari series animated. Can't wait for Kizumono already.

Those bgms at the beginning and when Koyomi was talking with Tsukihi near the end were masterpieces, need OST nao.

One thing i don't really approve of, Senjougara's haircut. (Some novel spoilers ahead)

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AHHHH... I WANT THE MOVIE. NEED MORE GROWN UP SHINOBU. TEEN SHINOBU NOT BAD EITHER. BUT NO FIGHTING SCENE FROM HER THIS SEASON. GRRRR. CAPS LOCK MAD.
 
Mar 17, 2012 6:11 PM

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This was a good ending, loved the talk about what family means to Koyomi. Also platinum mad twice in the same episode! Can't beat that.

 
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/waits for next season... or episode.

Anyways, I hope the Blu-ray version shows more.
 
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Kefkiroth said:
Hageshiikaze said:
I don't know anything about the novels but is there anything else that is a sequel to what we've seen animated so far or is it only going to start doing prequels? I kinda wanna see that girlfriend introduction.

Oh and short hair -1. She looks way too, I guess innocent that way with her smiling. I prefer her smirks :)
From what I hear there are fifteen novels, and shaft plans to animate them all. In other words, we'll have a lot more monogatari to watch(bake and nise are the first two, there are still neko, etc. so no prequels yet probably except kizu).


There's Koimonogatari (12th).

"Love story"

It'll be animated, SHAFT will deliver.

List of them from Wikipedia here:

1 November 1, 2006 Bakemonogatari (化物語 (上)?, a portmanteau of bakemono [monster] and monogatari [story, tale]) ISBN 978-4062836029
2 December 1, 2006 Bakemonogatari (化物語 (下)?) ISBN 978-4062836074
1 May 7, 2008 Kizumonogatari (傷物語?, a portmanteau of kizumono [something damaged, scarred or wounded] and monogatari [story, tale]) ISBN 978-4062836630
1 September 2, 2008 Nisemonogatari (偽物語 (上)?, a portmanteau of nisemono [a fake, impostor, or imitation] and monogatari [story, tale]) ISBN 978-4062836791
2 June 10, 2009 Nisemonogatari (偽物語 (下)?) ISBN 978-4062837026
1 July 28, 2010 Nekomonogatari (猫物語 (黒)?) ISBN 978-4062837484
2 October 29, 2010 Nekomonogatari (猫物語 (白)?) ISBN 978-4-06-283758-3
1 December 24, 2010 Kabukimonogatari (傾物語?) ISBN 978-4-06-283767-5
1 March 31, 2011 Hanamonogatari (花物語?) ISBN 978-4-06-283771-2
1 June 30, 2011 Otorimonogatari (囮物語?) ISBN 978-4-06-283776-7
1 September 28, 2011 Onimonogatari (鬼物語?) ISBN 978-4-06-283781-1
1 December 22, 2011 Koimonogatari (恋物語?) ISBN 978-4-06-283792-7
1 2012 Tsukimonogatari (憑物語?) Unreleased
1 2012 Owarimonogatari (終物語?) Unreleased
1 2012 Zokuowarimonogatari (続終物語?)
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Mar 17, 2012 6:22 PM
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BTW, there might be a point in fakes being greater than the real deal.

At least I've know fake idiots that take stupider decisions than real idiots...
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Mar 17, 2012 6:23 PM

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Shirou from Fate/Stay Night anyone?

Nisemonogatari and Unlimited Blade Works = same thing.
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I really love all the theories mentioned in this episode. Particularly the "all humans are born evil" one. Will look it up later. :O

Next up, movie!
 
Mar 17, 2012 7:07 PM
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I like Senjougahara better with long hair.

I wish we could have seen Shinobu fight and conquer.

That is all.

Good stuff, too bad it's over. I see no more content since Tsukihi's story is now done.
 
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Must everyone's hair be cut off?
 
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