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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Everyone fighting for peace, lead by Millia, with Dio.

The memory of the older soldier seems like Fam is really the one...

Last Exile's attack again. Then Dio released Millia's power to block the attack without everyone, including herself, realizing what happened.

Now they have chance to proceed into Last Exile. They've reached where that guy was with Sara.

ED for this ep. is Starboard [Silky Wind ver.], and next ep. is final ep.!!
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Mar 16, 2012 12:25 PM

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glad to see Sophia-san

4/4 8/10
 
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it's out early I see... now just for the subs to come out:D
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Wow episode was epic
Wish to know what Fam mother said?
 
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Sophia and Wina make their cameos in an epic climax as the Anatoray-Disith fleet finally arrives. Who would have thought we would see Silvius and Silvana fight side by side? We also finally get a confirmation that Silvius's Claudia unit operator is Lescius Dagobert since his face was not previously shown.

Final episode will be Grand master, which is also a tribute to the first series, because it is an anagram of "Grand Stream".
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(spoilers)
If rumors is correct, Fam may be the grand master key. When she the baby, two pilots try to protect her when the guild try to shoot the plane down. But she surive.
Grand Master can maybe rewrite the Exile.
 
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Didn't recognize Sophia at first o.O

Is Luscinia going to die? Things will then turn out like Code Geass. =P

I don't see the significant of mentioning Fam's mother. Besides that the old guy is her grandpa...

One more episode... happy end, peace, Grand Race, and Fam-Gise wins?
 
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arsonal said:
Sophia and Wina make their cameos in an epic climax as the Anatoray-Disith fleet finally arrives. Who would have thought we would see Silvius and Silvana fight side by side? We also finally get a confirmation that Silvius's Claudia unit operator is Lescius Dagobert since his face was not previously shown.

Final episode will be Grand master, which is also a tribute to the first series, because it is an anagram of "Grand Stream".


OMG, soooo good!
 
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Who would have thought we would see Silvius and Silvana fight side by side?


I was quite surprised and happy to see that scene, also the fact of seeing Silvana flying with Urbanus once again.

Can't wait to see how it ends and how questions are finally gonna be answered especially on Fam's true identity. I also wonder what Alvis will do as a fellow key to Exile (I hope they show season 1's Exile again just like in the first ep)
 
Mar 19, 2012 5:17 AM

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Silvana and Sophia made this episode awesome.
Also Sorush is back! :D
One more episode to go, hope Luscinia doesn't die, if he ends up having the same ending Delphine had it'll be disappointing.
 
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So in the end, Luscinia’s big plan to achieving world peace basically boils down to threatening everyone to stop fighting or he’ll blast them away with his big cannons. Looks like we have a big fan off Schneizel el Britannia and his Damocles plan in the house. And we all know how THAT plan ended.
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gandalf8 said:
So in the end, Luscinia’s big plan to achieving world peace basically boils down to threatening everyone to stop fighting or he’ll blast them away with his big cannons. Looks like we have a big fan off Schneizel el Britannia and his Damocles plan in the house. And we all know how THAT plan ended.


lol true XD

This episode was really awesome...if only the whole show was like this and if only Fam wasn't so annoying in the beginning >_>
Anyway Sophia has really changed a lot XD
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So in the end, Luscinia’s big plan to achieving world peace basically boils down to threatening everyone to stop fighting or he’ll blast them away with his big cannons. Looks like we have a big fan off Schneizel el Britannia and his Damocles plan in the house. And we all know how THAT plan ended.
I honestly don't see it that way. If you try to see the bigger picture, what is the real problem that made the world breaking a part and fighting each other? If I would suggest something it would be, they don't know their real enemy. What Farahnāz was doing was trying to accept everyone and create peace in a peaceful way as possible. But thing didn't go as it should be because people don't understand that "peace" when someone hands it to them with 2 hands without asking anything in return. So what Luscinia is doing right now is the opposite of what Farahnāz was doing but with the same "gaol". Becoming the biggest enemy of all them and turning them against himself. And then he present the world with one option(actually 2).
First, accept my ideal of Peace or you all die.
Second, fight for your own ideal of Peace.
Whichever option the world choose, Luscinia is the winner because his goal is NOT to win the war but to create a peace for the world.

P.S. Starboard(Silky Wind ver.) is awesome too, can't wait to get that.


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Good action. :)
 
Mar 19, 2012 7:15 PM
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Siva said:

Whichever option the world choose, Luscinia is the winner because his goal is NOT to win the war but to create a peace for the world.


The Celestial Being ideology.
bla bla bla
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Plot full of convenience and some wonderful action cliches. Ah well, pew pew boom boom.

Luscinias actions reminded me of Lights plan to bully criminals to obedience with the death note. His idealism (war is a solution for global lack of resources) seemed delusional initially, but it seems he actually had the muscle to pull it off.

Of course it turns out he never truly abandoned the late empresses ideals, he just has a very Lelouch-like solution how to to reach them. As Siva mentioned before: he wins either way, either everyone unite to defeat him and hopefully build a basis for mutual trust, or he wins and forces disarmament. Quite interesting, even if the presentation was somewhat lacking.

Is it too much to hope for a novel ending?
 
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Yeah, that didn't look anything like Sophia.
 
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So........ we have to believe that they designed their best ship with a cannon that when you fire makes a hole in your own ship and then you can't use it anymore??
And millia 3 episodes ago was an idiot who couldn't even prepare a sandwich and 2 episodes later she is the leader, creates strategies and leads everyone in battle??
This anime keeps getting worse with each episode.
 
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guidodi said:
So........ we have to believe that they designed their best ship with a cannon that when you fire makes a hole in your own ship and then you can't use it anymore??


They designed all their exiles to be controlled by reading poems to little girls, what else would you expect?
But it seemed like hole was regenerating, maybe cannon can grow back?
 
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LOL, you are right. At least there is only 1 episode left.
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I remember a line from Delphine talking about overpopulation or a lack of resources or something like that. Luscinia is just following the same philosophy the guild has always had.
 
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Siva said:
gandalf8 said:
So in the end, Luscinia’s big plan to achieving world peace basically boils down to threatening everyone to stop fighting or he’ll blast them away with his big cannons. Looks like we have a big fan off Schneizel el Britannia and his Damocles plan in the house. And we all know how THAT plan ended.
I honestly don't see it that way. If you try to see the bigger picture, what is the real problem that made the world breaking a part and fighting each other? If I would suggest something it would be, they don't know their real enemy. What Farahnāz was doing was trying to accept everyone and create peace in a peaceful way as possible. But thing didn't go as it should be because people don't understand that "peace" when someone hands it to them with 2 hands without asking anything in return. So what Luscinia is doing right now is the opposite of what Farahnāz was doing but with the same "gaol". Becoming the biggest enemy of all them and turning them against himself. And then he present the world with one option(actually 2).
First, accept my ideal of Peace or you all die.
Second, fight for your own ideal of Peace.
Whichever option the world choose, Luscinia is the winner because his goal is NOT to win the war but to create a peace for the world.

P.S. Starboard(Silky Wind ver.) is awesome too, can't wait to get that.


Ya except all of this could have been avoided in the first episode by just letting Sara know that she was not simply giving land back to her people but instead sending in troops to invade and kill the current inhabitants of the land. Luscinia and others chose to keep this information from her in order to have their own agendas and ideologies met. The poor girl thought she was making everyone happy but instead made herself and her nation get labeled as evil tyrants bent on world domination. Many innocent people could have survived by a simple treaty between the nations or a surrender of Sara's power in the name of peace.

I thought the ending and Luscinia's actions would have a bigger more meaningful purpose but it's just turning out to be a remix of season one's ending. Instead of the guild trying to control everyone it's now Luscinia, only with a slightly different purpose. I'm a bit disappointed.
 
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Ya except all of this could have been avoided in the first episode by just letting Sara know that she was not simply giving land back to her people but instead sending in troops to invade and kill the current inhabitants of the land. Luscinia and others chose to keep this information from her in order to have their own agendas and ideologies met. The poor girl thought she was making everyone happy but instead made herself and her nation get labeled as evil tyrants bent on world domination. Many innocent people could have survived by a simple treaty between the nations or a surrender of Sara's power in the name of peace.

I thought the ending and Luscinia's actions would have a bigger more meaningful purpose but it's just turning out to be a remix of season one's ending. Instead of the guild trying to control everyone it's now Luscinia, only with a slightly different purpose. I'm a bit disappointed.
Letting Sara knows his plan would be simply turning her into a ruthless ruler instead of just him being evil alone. Yes, the poor girl has to suffer all this but in the end her path is already carved for her she just have to simply walk forward with a winning bottom waiting for her to press on and all this is done without having her giving a single order to kill anyone.

If a simply treaty between the nation would work then Farahnāz wouldn't have to die. Surrendering her power would earn nothing but even more chaos because other nations would want to be the new leader.

With only one more episode to go I don't think I can expect much but I don't think that Luscinia's actions was only to create peace because this wouldn't solve another problem that the world is having right now. Even with peace being restored but the lack of resources is still there and the world is heading its end.

For now we know why the Guild was created and became too powerful but we still have no idea(IIRC) why the Exiles were created and left behind.


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guidodi said:
So........ we have to believe that they designed their best ship with a cannon that when you fire makes a hole in your own ship and then you can't use it anymore??

Looks like typical experimental technology to me. New weapons in particular usually don't work as well in the field as they did on the firing range.

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And millia 3 episodes ago was an idiot who couldn't even prepare a sandwich and 2 episodes later she is the leader, creates strategies and leads everyone in battle??
This anime keeps getting worse with each episode.

Hmm. I disagree. Millia was pretty irrelevant for the first 10 or so episodes, but since episode 13 her resolve hardened considerably and she's been steadily turning herself into a leader and did lead forces in battle in previous engagements, so this was not sudden change in character ability.
 
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guidodi said:
So........ we have to believe that they designed their best ship with a cannon that when you fire makes a hole in your own ship and then you can't use it anymore??

Looks like typical experimental technology to me. New weapons in particular usually don't work as well in the field as they did on the firing range.

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And millia 3 episodes ago was an idiot who couldn't even prepare a sandwich and 2 episodes later she is the leader, creates strategies and leads everyone in battle??
This anime keeps getting worse with each episode.

Hmm. I disagree. Millia was pretty irrelevant for the first 10 or so episodes, but since episode 13 her resolve hardened considerably and she's been steadily turning herself into a leader and did lead forces in battle in previous engagements, so this was not sudden change in character ability.


I know she lead the forces in other engagements, it didn't make sense then and and it has even less sense now, even if she has more resolve you don't learn how to lead an army in a day. It is the battle to determine what will happen to the world and you have an entire army with generals and they decide to let a kid lead the final assault?
 
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So an entire nation bow to the little girl Sara does make sense to you?


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I know she lead the forces in other engagements, it didn't make sense then and and it has even less sense now, even if she has more resolve you don't learn how to lead an army in a day. It is the battle to determine what will happen to the world and you have an entire army with generals and they decide to let a kid lead the final assault?

When you are royalty you don't need experience or talent.
 
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guidodi said:
So........ we have to believe that they designed their best ship with a cannon that when you fire makes a hole in your own ship and then you can't use it anymore??
And millia 3 episodes ago was an idiot who couldn't even prepare a sandwich and 2 episodes later she is the leader, creates strategies and leads everyone in battle??
This anime keeps getting worse with each episode.
Her status is leader, but she just states the common sense stuff or her subordinates just ask "yes" or "no" confirmation.

Now go make me a sammy bitch! Leadership =/= great cook
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I loved the action scenes in this episode but there were a few things that bothered me.

1. They let 1/3 of their fleet get killed with that first beam shot when they had an exile they could use as a shield. Sure it paid out in the end because they targeted a city for no good reason, but there was no way they could have known that at the time. I would hate to serve on one of those ships if I knew that my commanders would let 1/3 of us die instead of using our defense.

2. It may be possible to gain peace by putting gun to everyone’s head but that won’t fix the underlying problem that caused the war. There are too many people on the planet. They need major agriculture reforms and other policies if they want to fix it peacefully or let the wars run their course and have that reduce the population.

3. They should have kept Sorush dead. They just undermined the most powerful moment of the series in my opinion.
 
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Ya except all of this could have been avoided in the first episode by just letting Sara know that she was not simply giving land back to her people but instead sending in troops to invade and kill the current inhabitants of the land. Luscinia and others chose to keep this information from her in order to have their own agendas and ideologies met. The poor girl thought she was making everyone happy but instead made herself and her nation get labeled as evil tyrants bent on world domination. Many innocent people could have survived by a simple treaty between the nations or a surrender of Sara's power in the name of peace.

I thought the ending and Luscinia's actions would have a bigger more meaningful purpose but it's just turning out to be a remix of season one's ending. Instead of the guild trying to control everyone it's now Luscinia, only with a slightly different purpose. I'm a bit disappointed.
Letting Sara knows his plan would be simply turning her into a ruthless ruler instead of just him being evil alone. Yes, the poor girl has to suffer all this but in the end her path is already carved for her she just have to simply walk forward with a winning bottom waiting for her to press on and all this is done without having her giving a single order to kill anyone.

If a simply treaty between the nation would work then Farahnāz wouldn't have to die. Surrendering her power would earn nothing but even more chaos because other nations would want to be the new leader.

With only one more episode to go I don't think I can expect much but I don't think that Luscinia's actions was only to create peace because this wouldn't solve another problem that the world is having right now. Even with peace being restored but the lack of resources is still there and the world is heading its end.

For now we know why the Guild was created and became too powerful but we still have no idea(IIRC) why the Exiles were created and left behind.


I don't think you fully understand what I'm saying. Letting Sara know wouldn't have turned her into a ruthless ruler...not telling her already did that. People outside of her country see her as a ruthless tyrant. They don't know she has no idea what's going on. If she had known at the start it would have given her a chance to make righteous changes to please both her people and other country's. Instead of taking over a country and forcing them to follow your rules and laws she could have set up alliances and made deals that would please everyone.

Again, if she had known from the start she would have had more support from the generals and it would have been easier for her to step down and distribute her power equally with other country's that clearly have no problems allying with her when they know she's not going to sneak in and take over their land.

I just think this whole story could have been solved in 5 episodes.
 
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I think I didn't word myself right last time.
You have your point in your theory that Sara would have try your way of acquiring peace. But that is not what Luscinia trying to achieve. And I don't think any body in the show have ever thought that Sara was the one who ordered the killing spree because most of her power was under Luscinia's control. Keeping her in the dark is the best way to achieve his goal without letting her getting in the way.

Why didn't Luscinia think your theory would work? Well, wasn't that was what Farahnāz did last time and end with losing her own life? Even if Luscinia let Sara try her way, it might be right that other country would ally with her and thinking she is just a little girl and she wouldn't sneak on us but in turn no one can tell once she lost her power, by distribute her power equally, no one wouldn't want to sneak on her instead... we are talking about a world that is heading its end due to the lack of resource after all. And there is no telling that Glacies would come and join hand in hand with everyone.

I don't think Luscinia's goal was to gain peace by simply patching thing up with everyone. He is trying to fix the world by turning it up side down and make it change.
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Yeah, that didn't look anything like Sophia.


She got a new hair stylist and ditched the glasses.

guidodi said:
So........ we have to believe that they designed their best ship with a cannon that when you fire makes a hole in your own ship and then you can't use it anymore??
And millia 3 episodes ago was an idiot who couldn't even prepare a sandwich and 2 episodes later she is the leader, creates strategies and leads everyone in battle??
This anime keeps getting worse with each episode.


You are an idiot. Didn't you noticed that when the girls reached there at the center said the ship was unfinished? Also when the laser canons had such problems it was mention by the crew of Silvana that it was strange.
And Milia has become more capable than simply making a sandwich a lot more than 3 episodes ago. Learn to count and it's called character development. It happened in-frond of your eyes with all the things she had to think about and live through and you still didn't notice? Why did you think they made all those episodes with her struggling to learn stuff and her feelings of her sister's actions? How much must they spoon feed every intellectually incapable of getting even the most basic stuff like yourself? Do you need big bold letters over their heads explaining what they are doing too?
 
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What does character development and the fact that she matured a little have anything to do with leading an army? I am not saying she didn't change, she did.
But It is not a matter of resolve, if you have 50 generals that spent their hole life fighting you are not gonna let a 14 years old girl lead the army in the battle to decide the fate of the world. IT IS STUPID.
 
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But It is not a matter of resolve, if you have 50 generals that spent their hole life fighting you are not gonna let a 14 years old girl lead the army in the battle to decide the fate of the world. IT IS STUPID.
She's royalty. That gives her the right. Check your history books.
 
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Just checked man and no record of 14 years old girls leading an Alliance of several countries againts a super power in a battle to decide the fate of the world.
I suposse you think Sara should lead the Ades fleet too since she is loyalty and not leave that task to the Generals.
 
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Just checked man and no record of 14 years old girls leading an Alliance of several countries againts a super power in a battle to decide the fate of the world.


Hell. Are you really going to split hairs and require examples of leading an alliance to save the world???

Hell. off the top of my head is Joan of Arc, and she wasn't even royalty.

also off the top of my head, Alexander the Great was leading independent commands to suppress revolts when he was 16.

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I suposse you think Sara should lead the Ades fleet too since she is loyalty and not leave that task to the Generals.


Ass. I NEVER said I thought it was smart. I said it was a historical right of royalty to lead armies, and there were examples of it happening. If you're going to be that way, there's no point in me trying to answer your original question. I see no need to talk with somebody who's not going to take my responses in a reasonable manner. If you disagree with my answer, that's fine. Being a smart ass about it is not.
 
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Bah. I don't know why I bother here - not worth the aggravation.
 
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Hey Sorush is still alive in his own his flagship? I though he died back in Boreas. WTH?

Vincent, Sophia and even Wina on the old Silvana came through on the nick of time. Decisive entrance for Anatoray-Disith! That's not the Sophia I remember though, and I miss the old her. X( Anyway I'm still glad they showed up.

Did Urbanus upgraded their pointy and very sharp bow to diamond or what? Since Urbanus can break Exile tentacles now, they charged through one of the tentacles head-on and they shredded it like it was made of very brittle paper! Or maybe because the Grand Exile is not complete as Fam and Gisey commented while inside it's belly?

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Whichever option the world choose, Luscinia is the winner because his goal is NOT to win the war but to create a peace for the world.


The Celestial Being ideology.


And implemented like Zero Requiem.

All right, one last hurrah for the next episode! XD
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Did Urbanus upgraded their pointy and very sharp bow to diamond or what? Since Urbanus can break Exile tentacles now, they charged through one of the tentacles head-on and they shredded it like it was made of very brittle paper! Or maybe because the Grand Exile is not complete as Fam and Gisey commented while inside it's belly?


I wondered, too - even if it's not finished, why would that affect these tentacles in a way that lets the Urbanus cut through it like butter?
Maybe cause it's charged with extra awesomeness. You know, cause it comes from the first season and so on.
 
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i knew it, falling down a clift means still alive...

anyway, who is controlling the exiles? Luscinia or Sara? Millia or Dio? so many questions
 
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So........ we have to believe that they designed their best ship with a cannon that when you fire makes a hole in your own ship and then you can't use it anymore??


They designed all their exiles to be controlled by reading poems to little girls, what else would you expect?


Hah hah, great rebuttal! Though guidodi still has a point. Mmm, I think by this point I don't care anymore. I mean, it makes more sense than a lot of stuff in this series, so for me it's good enough. My standards for this show have dropped considerably, and I think I'm happier with it as a result.
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Oh boy this sure was an epic episode, let's see what the last episode has to offer but well this sure was good!
 
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Sorush is still alive. I'm not even going to ask how he survived...I mean Dio's alive even after getting flung out of his vanship while in the Grand Stream.

Anatoray-Disith to the rescue! If Sophia didn't introduce herself, I wouldn't have known it was her haha. And the Urbanus is just ramming tentacles now? Talk about power-ups.

One more episode. Why do I feel like Fam's going to talk about getting along and then Luscinia will miraculously give in?
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Episode that compensates disappointments occurred in the past.
Narratively will also be a bit late, but brings back the old knowledge and the combat is nice.
Drawings and animations very valid.
Yay !!
Now I sling on the last episode, I'm a little curious to see the end now.
 
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So Sorush is still alive and using one of the Giant Exiles weapons leaves a giant hole in the hull of the ship and yet they keep using it. Rather convenient. The Grand Exile being unfinished does explain why it was still on the planet.

The battle was a bit difficult to follow, I didn't get the sense they were even in trouble when Anatoray came to the rescue.
 
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