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Mar 14, 2012 4:15 PM

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bcmilk said:
Have to say the BGM at the end of Kagura's fight was EPIC but not as Epic as Pride! I just love that song....

Btw Zessica's elemental powers are "Her power is the ability to shoot an Energy Blast shaped like a hand" (taken from wiki). Doesn't this sound like Silvia?! Maybe she's the part of Celiane/Silvia that is strong and can fight but has no memories or smell of them and Mikono is the weak but understanding part of them? No clue.

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bcmilk said:

Btw why is silvia scared of Apollon? I mean he did die for the world and leave her behind.... its not like she betrayed him and left him to die and now he's seeking revenge. Why the hell is Kagura so obsessed about KILLING mikono/silvia?


I'm on episode 7 ATM rapidity catching up. I don't care if I see spoilers. So I sometimes read ahead in discussions and such. So I haven't seen this episode yet but from what I know with observing people (don't ask why- I have my reasons ^^; nuf said...) and seeing many things over the years in and out of anime regarding reincarnation.
I wanted to post this here now rather than tomorrow when I'll likely get caught up because the next few days will be busy and I might forget.

My guess on the answers those questions is this:



True. But in all fairness silvia was a child (aged 15?) and they didn't make a child so what else was she supposed to do?! She's young, strong and had her whole life ahead of her but Apollo just had to die. -sigh- (though in this doujinshi i read he came back for her in 12,000 minutes and they did something very nice :P) Silvia probably had to continue her lineage to pass down the blood of Apollonious and Celiane and to hope for another reincarnation. Kind of a stupid thing to be mad about, right?



I am also thinking that their both Silvia- so there we seem to think the same way.
^^; I don't remember saying she was mad-(In the sense of being angry)- I did say that "Silvia might be frightened because of the repetition of falling madly in love with the same man, then having him ripped from her over and over again...."- I meant Madly in love,(example- Sailor Moon & Prince Endymion, or Romeo & Juliet ect...) That's the only time I mentioned mad.
However if she and Apollo were soul mates which is usually the case in these reincarnation romance things) then she wouldn't have been happy with moving on, and having a family. She wouldn't be mad per say but she would be likely sad even if she was married/in a relationship with a friend.

The question was about her fear of him. I was responding with the idea that Mikano was frightened of Kagura which seems evident in all episodes I've seen where they've met so far. And even if she did have to continue the blood line, she could still be afraid of having to go threw the same thing over and over again.
Fear isn't reasonable, and it's very hard to get around if it's a deep seeded fear. Often people are afraid-know why they are and that they shouldn't be-(Though in her case Kagura is creepy at times- so if I were her I'd be afraid reason or no reason lol) -and their still frightened. That's the kind of fear I meant when I mentioned her fear-it's a soul deep fear that she can't explain but also she feels other emotions, either regret or love or both, from what I've seen of her confusion *Shrugs* It's just my thoughts on the matter.

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Mar 14, 2012 7:19 PM
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Oh no- I meant I was wondering why Apollo would be so mad at Silvia for doing that. I hate how Kagura keeps on saying "my wench". WOMEN ARE NOT THINGS AND MEN DO NOT OWN WOMEN.
Its funny how only a few people know the existence of Kagura in Neo-Diva
 
Mar 14, 2012 7:32 PM

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bcmilk said:
Oh no- I meant I was wondering why Apollo would be so mad at Silvia for doing that. I hate how Kagura keeps on saying "my wench". WOMEN ARE NOT THINGS AND MEN DO NOT OWN WOMEN.
Its funny how only a few people know the existence of Kagura in Neo-Diva
I'm sure that there are others who agree with you, but it did play its role identifying his backgrounds and culture that he came from.
 
Mar 14, 2012 10:20 PM

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bcmilk said:
Oh no- I meant I was wondering why Apollo would be so mad at Silvia for doing that. I hate how Kagura keeps on saying "my wench". WOMEN ARE NOT THINGS AND MEN DO NOT OWN WOMEN.
Its funny how only a few people know the existence of Kagura in Neo-Diva



Lol yeah, I agree about how he keeps saying "My wench" My personality is more tsundere/Zessica (Though I have better fashion sense than her ^^;) like and if anyone called me that they'd probably get a fist in the face. I can't stand it.
I had thought you were saying Silvia was mad. Hmm, well I don't think Apollo is mad either.

If anything I thought that part of his reincarnated personality (Kagura probably) Might resent what happened to them in their previous lives. Resented having to leave her 2 times.
So in that regard I think he'd be mad at himself for not finding some other way (Though I don't see how he could have) and he might be mad at fate.
I didn't mean that he might want to kill her because he was mad at her, possibly just that he was angry at their hopeless situation each time, and possibly if he changed something in the cycle I mentioned originally that maybe they'd be able to be together.

Like if he killed her then himself(though he doesn't look like he's planning to off himself ATM), but it's just an idea.
I'm basing this on what I've seen of him so far and other stories I've seen about reincarnation in other formats or things I've read about it(The reincarnation factor is what originally drew me to the main series- and why I loved it- if it didn't have that I may not have been able to finish the series).
 
Mar 15, 2012 3:38 AM

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Just hope it'll be explained why Zessica has an ability like Cayenne
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Mar 15, 2012 9:45 AM

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Just hope it'll be explained why Zessica has an ability like Cayenne


Past life. Her ability is called "impact."
 
Mar 15, 2012 12:01 PM
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Jin x Yunoha is such a cute couple. ♥
 
Mar 16, 2012 7:22 AM

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Does anyone know the name of that insert song Akino starts to sing when Kagura was breaking free from the guys holding him on Altea(Sp?) close to the end of the epi.- It's different from the op and ed songs also it's not Genesis of Aquarion which was inserted in another episode....and I really love it.
 
Mar 16, 2012 7:52 AM
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Does anyone know the name of that insert song Akino starts to sing when Kagura was breaking free from the guys holding him on Altea(Sp?) close to the end of the epi.- It's different from the op and ed songs also it's not Genesis of Aquarion which was inserted in another episode....and I really love it.


"Eve no Danpen" (イヴの断片 Ivu no Danpen?, "Fragment of the Eve") by AKINO from bless4 (ep. 4, 6 & 11)

Kimi to kegawareta Eve no Tame wo
For you and the tainted Eve
Boku no Adam ha sennen mo tomeru
My adam will stop a thousand years

Then it goes onto talk about how Eve took a bite out of the forbidden fruit (apple).

Can't understand with all the talking... T.T

Then it goes For you and the tainted Eve, My adam will scream?
That line just reminds of a Kagura.

Kimi wo dakishimetai, Hanaretakunai, Arasowanaide, Sasayaite
I want to embrace you, don't want to separate from you, please don't fight, whisper to me
Boku wo/ga hitsuyounannda to ne
That you need me
Tsumibito
Sinner

That''s all I can get from the BGM with all the voices and stuff. I guess Eve - mikono/Silvia - committed a sin?
From the other episode BGM I gather that Adam is def Kagura (because of the ref to screaming and shouting). The other thing that stands out is the word "For YOU and the tainted Eve" who the frick is "You"?! Could it be Zessica or Sirius/Cayenne ?
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Mar 16, 2012 9:33 AM

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First time I see an episode discussion filled with mostly wall of texts.

You guys are thinking too much yo. But it's definitely better than overload of one liners.
But lol I sense NTR too, even though they haven't reached official gf/by status yet.

I also believe their souls are probably divided into parts. Toma is still a troll as ever and Fudo is like a god, the man knows everything and just leaves everything to kids. What a guy.

Pretty good episode to get the plot more fleshed out.
 
Mar 16, 2012 9:41 AM
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Thess said:
Magito said:
Just hope it'll be explained why Zessica has an ability like Cayenne


Past life. Her ability is called "impact."


doesn't that sound a bit like apollo/apollonius's power blasts? along with her flaming slap? like flaming mugen punch.
i personally these 3 characters - amata, zessica, shrade are combos of toma-sirius-apollo cause the later 3's souls merged at the end of OS.

so zessica perhaps seeing the vision in the mirror at the same time as mikage's rose/portal with kagura is because zessica might have toma's abilities as well or rena's.

shrade has sirius's appearence but toma's soul.
 
Mar 16, 2012 10:43 AM
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Zessica being Toma's reincarnation would be the best twist ever
 
Mar 16, 2012 12:48 PM
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Zessica being Toma's reincarnation would be the best twist ever


but that would mean she won't get any love and that would suck cause she is cute and actually a nice girl.
 
Mar 17, 2012 12:12 AM

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bcmilk said:
windeen-windy said:
Does anyone know the name of that insert song Akino starts to sing when Kagura was breaking free from the guys holding him on Altea(Sp?) close to the end of the epi.- It's different from the op and ed songs also it's not Genesis of Aquarion which was inserted in another episode....and I really love it.


"Eve no Danpen" (イヴの断片 Ivu no Danpen?, "Fragment of the Eve") by AKINO from bless4 (ep. 4, 6 & 11)

Kimi to kegawareta Eve no Tame wo
For you and the tainted Eve
Boku no Adam ha sennen mo tomeru
My adam will stop a thousand years

Then it goes onto talk about how Eve took a bite out of the forbidden fruit (apple).

Can't understand with all the talking... T.T

Then it goes For you and the tainted Eve, My adam will scream?
That line just reminds of a Kagura.

Kimi wo dakishimetai, Hanaretakunai, Arasowanaide, Sasayaite
I want to embrace you, don't want to separate from you, please don't fight, whisper to me
Boku wo/ga hitsuyounannda to ne
That you need me
Tsumibito
Sinner

That''s all I can get from the BGM with all the voices and stuff. I guess Eve - mikono/Silvia - committed a sin?
From the other episode BGM I gather that Adam is def Kagura (because of the ref to screaming and shouting). The other thing that stands out is the word "For YOU and the tainted Eve" who the frick is "You"?! Could it be Zessica or Sirius/Cayenne ?


Thank you ^^ I understand Japanese a bit but some of her words were too distorted for me to hear perfectly with all the talking (As you pointed out). I listen to an anime radio on the net and they allow music requests- so I wanted the name so I can look for it whenever they ad it to their song listings.
I think Your thoughts on what the song means are probably right also... it sounds about right to me. I just hope they start explaining things in the next few episodes.

It's getting a bit depressing being so confused about who is who and having so many characters turning up who could be this or that person. At this moment- the only thing I'm sure about (Fairly sure about anyway lol) is that Alicia is probably Amata's mother. And their possibly both related to Silvia (I think).
 
Mar 18, 2012 5:56 AM

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gosh there’re too many gy characters in this anime.
kagura & the holeguy are exception.
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Mar 18, 2012 10:40 PM

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gosh there’re too many gy characters in this anime.
kagura & the holeguy are exception.

Kagura may not be gay, but he's what? A random screaming beast whose only purpose in this series so far is to shout "kuso onna"?
But yeah, pretty much everyone else in this show is gay with few exceptions like Andy.

I'm still liking this show, but this episode is plain trash.
 
Mar 19, 2012 1:53 PM

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Yeah I find kuso onna very annoying. It sounds completely derogatory. gg could've easily translated this as "my bitch", there's a nice pun to that (Kagura is like a dog, too so...)

Andy is definitely awesome, just because of his awesome hole quotes.
And Fudo Gen, shit man, this dude is just plain awesome as ever. I can't even pinpoint why. Is it that he just happens to know everything? He's immortal? His hilarious speech?

Not sure why the comment on too many guys. You do have an entire planet lacking females... it's part of the plot.
 
Mar 22, 2012 6:09 PM

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Does anyone know the song playing when Kagura stated that "I want to kill her and crush her... etc"?
 
Mar 26, 2012 12:58 PM

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Hinochi1994 said:
Does anyone know the song playing when Kagura stated that "I want to kill her and crush her... etc"?
It has be said like 4 post above yours. Wait for the OST I suppose.
 
Apr 15, 2012 12:26 PM

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meh didn't like this episode. it had less character development and focus. they barely touched anything with Jin or even Andy. hell even Amata got little time.damn dude pay some attention to Zessica.

I can't say I care much for Kagura or Mikage. especially Mikage. I don't even know what the hell he is, other than some lame plot device to make Kagura powered up and crazy. I also didn't care for uber powerful Kagura.
 
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Zassica: I forgot my juice. *drinks*
Andy: Indirect kiss!

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ffs this is what i was afraid off from the beginning.. So Kagura most likely is Appollo after all. That sucks to be honest ... :-(
I hoped that Amata's solar wings meant something but then again it still can be something like splitting of Appolonius'/Apollo's soul during reincarnation or something. But for now it just feels terrible...
Zessica is out of the game with unrequited love left to torment her in her free time,
Amata is close to unrequited Love
Mikono has no idea what's going on
Kagura is going to enjoy his "afternoon meal" and looks pretty much powered up and he has freaking winds!! OMG i don't (wanna) know what's going on anymore
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meh didn't like this episode. it had less character development and focus. they barely touched anything with Jin or even Andy. hell even Amata got little time.damn dude pay some attention to Zessica.

I can't say I care much for Kagura or Mikage. especially Mikage. I don't even know what the hell he is, other than some lame plot device to make Kagura powered up and crazy. I also didn't care for uber powerful Kagura.


you didn't see prequel ? This episode hinted A LOT, maybe more then any previous episodes Kagura might very well be Apollo's reincarnation which would mean he and Mikono are meant for each other and they can revive machine from Sousei no Aquarion which is basically GOD to be controlled by Apollo and it can do things they can't imagine yet
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Kagura love!

Maybe I should've watched the one before but I guess I will do it backwards, completely addicted!

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bcmilk said:
Why the hell is Kagura so obsessed about KILLING mikono/silvia?


THIS! THIS! Is what keeps me from shiping MikonoXKagura. In this episode he says:
"I want to kill her... kill her, and hold her in my arms... I want to break her... my Silvie".
That does not sound like the start of a healthy relationship.


I was getting seriously annoyed by Kagura's random shouting regarding his "smelly wench." Seriously, I realize that it's opposite for him, that smelly=good and not-smelly=bad or whatever, but calling someone a wench? =_= Well wench is a just the word the translators decided to use, but I'm sure anything alone the lines of wench is just degrading. I wish he would just shut up. Funny, because I love the seiyuu for Kagura in a lot of the other anime he voices for (Yoshino, Yuuta, Natsuki, Daryl) but wow. He's obnoxious in Aquarion Evol. And I'm pretty sure it's not going to get any better.
 
Mar 20, 2013 6:02 AM
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Sigh. The Kagura fellow is one obnoxious and uninspired character. All he does is scream and punch and say he wants his woman.

This episode wasn't as funny as previous ones. I hope they get back to the campness of previous episodes.
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Mikage is just SADISTIC, but I can't hate him. I actually find him to be very entertaining.

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So Kagura is Apollo after all! But then who is Amata? And Mikono isn't like Silvia >_<
So my guess is like everyone else', Apollo's soul split into two and maybe Silvia split into Mikono and Zessica? Unless Zessica has nothing to do with this, which I think she does..
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is some ntr action gonna happen soon?

I have to confess that as much of a NTR fan as I am, I would not be fond of Amata being NTR'ed...
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Mikage...or should I say Toma....haven't you learned anything from the last time? This won't end well for you.
 
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Yeah, I think the Andy Warhol thing and think I mentioned it ages ago.

Also, Kagura stuff was crazy turning in to a demon dog and biting Mikage/Toma and Toma playing with Kagura and sending him to Earth, using all his emotions and love. He is still an evil genius.

Amata is so cute when he blushes and Jin! awww. Mikano!

It was crazy when she saw Kagura in the water instead! and heard his voice D:
 
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