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Aug 28, 2008 12:59 PM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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What an episode. Hoshino blows off Tanabe, and then Hakim betrays Hoshino. Who knew he, after such resolve, just wanted to save his homeland, just like Lavie, and like the new Claire. It looks like heading to Jupiter will be delayed and/or impossible this time around. I wonder what Hoshi will do now?
 
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Sep 5, 2008 4:47 AM

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So many things happened O_O
 
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Oct 23, 2008 5:06 AM

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i'd been expecting it for awhile, they certainly dropped enough hints. i am kinda surprised that neither of them died tho.
 
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Nov 5, 2008 2:58 PM

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I knew Hakim wasnt what it seemed!
Hachimaki and Tanabe were told the same thing ._.
 
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Feb 16, 2009 8:14 AM
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man I knew hakim was up to something.
 
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Apr 17, 2009 9:21 PM

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Now Hachi and Tanabe can be reunited!
 
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Feb 21, 2010 7:42 AM
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I just wish Hoshino dies.
 
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May 17, 2010 6:48 PM

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I knew Hakim was up to something....but wow, he actually got the chance to do it. I think Hachirota still cares for Tanabe, but he is confused or something right now. Towards the end it looked like Hachirota might change for the better.
 
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May 18, 2010 12:01 PM

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Hachirota being there at the time of the explosion is going to make him seem quite suspicious. And maybe Colin is trying to romance Tanabe? One thing is for sure, if Hachirota makes it back to Seven, things are going to get interesting.


 
Jun 16, 2010 4:17 AM
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That credits music can be really inappropriate sometimes.

*explosion*

"HAKIM!"

*bouncy pop tune*
 
Jul 17, 2010 11:08 PM

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It's a scary day indeed when I sympathize more with the terrorists than the men who are following their dreams. But cold people with no soul or humanity scare the crap out of me.
 
Oct 13, 2010 8:05 PM

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Farewell video for Hachi and shoving off Tanabe, what more can you ask with Hachi's attitude

I don't understand why Hakim, would target Von Braun?.. not the main center or what
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Oct 20, 2010 3:14 PM

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Too much mixed episode. Hakim showed up his cards, Claire is getting rebel and Technora is on fishy matters. Let me swallow that, please.

watkinzez said:
That credits music can be really inappropriate sometimes.

*explosion*

"HAKIM!"

*bouncy pop tune*


hontou. X-D
 
Jan 20, 2011 6:27 AM

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Things are getting quite interesting..I really look forward to the next episode..Poor hachimaki.He has nowhere to go now..He has Trouble trouble Trusting people including Himself.What do you guys think?
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Jan 20, 2011 6:29 AM

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Things are getting quite interesting..I really look forward to the next episode..Poor hachimaki.He has nowhere to go now..He has Trouble trouble Trusting people including Himself.What do you guys think?
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Jan 23, 2011 1:47 PM

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aero said:
So many things happened O_O
Ditto!! All i can say is emotions rose pretty high
 
Apr 4, 2011 5:54 PM
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Bombing a space operation to prevent the growth of first-world nations? Damn Hakim is an idiot. For every dollar/euro spent on space travel, far more was wasted on pet projects and corrupted embezzlement, and certainly more was spent on military research and development that's increased when terrorist attacks occur.

Yeah, it's definitely a great idea to destroy a finished product that will only be repaired, wasting even more funds. Oh, and stereotype his desperate nation as a bunch of terrorists, further cementing their separation from the ruling class.

I hope Hachi reports that attack so Hakim can rot in prison.
 
Jun 12, 2011 12:09 AM

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damn all this for terroism
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Sep 6, 2011 8:14 PM

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Hmmm, that explosion at the end didn't seem that big! Certainly smaller than the #2 module blast on the moon! Maybe they'll have it fixed up in just a quick montage!

More adventures for DS-12 abound methinks!
 
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Luthimal said:
Bombing a space operation to prevent the growth of first-world nations? Damn Hakim is an idiot. For every dollar/euro spent on space travel, far more was wasted on pet projects and corrupted embezzlement, and certainly more was spent on military research and development that's increased when terrorist attacks occur.


Maybe that's true nowadays, not necessarily in the world of Planetes (Considering their situation, they probably spend a ton on space research), but I think arguing wether Hakim's actions are wrong or right is not the point, the idea is to present the conflict that comes with this one sided development
 
Jan 30, 2012 10:53 PM

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I was hoping to see Hoshino die, such a lame ass character.

On the other hand I can sympathize with Hakim and Claire (coming from a country that may not be third world but still has a large gap between the rich and poor).

The world of Planetes is not that different from our own.

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Feb 29, 2012 8:19 AM

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Now Hachi and Tanabe can be reunited!
 
Apr 3, 2012 12:52 PM

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Hachi, that's what you get when you choose to ignore all those horrible facts of the humanity.

And if I was Tanabe, I would so just forget about Hachi, but I think Hachi will need Tanabe in the end.
 
Jul 1, 2012 4:31 AM

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I hope the next time Tanabe sees Hachi, she punches him in the face. Its less than he deserves. I believe giving up everything for your dream is okay on some level, but good god at least tell the poor girl you're done with her.

Also, go Claire and Hakim. They see reality, Hachi and Tanabe are naive optimists, but in the end, everyone is fighting for something they really believe in, even though it can seem misguided to other people. What a great show!
 
Jul 11, 2012 7:56 AM

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Hakim, what a backstabbing asshole! How exactly destroying spaceship will help to solve poverty in his country? Or is it just revenge? Why not go and fight military then! Next he'll blow up some medical research center because "only developed nations will reap benefits of healthcare!"
Seriously, this series is great, but I fear that in the end Hachi will learn a lesson that love is more important and humanity need to stop to develop and expand, leave space and degrade back to bronze age in order to live in harmony with Earth.
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Jul 12, 2012 6:43 PM

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The first "accident" was probably deliberate on Locksmith's part and now with this terrorist act they can blame the first incident on others as well. It's all about the politics. Maybe they'll even make a connection with the poorer countries to push for support in the rich ones. It's an unusual series in that the issues discussed are much more interesting than the bland characters. Particularly Tanabe has had no function in the story after the romance ended.
 
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I believe giving up everything for your dream is okay on some level, but good god at least tell the poor girl you're done with her.

Seriously! Or Tanabe should tell him it's over.
 
Jan 25, 2013 4:59 AM

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oh boy what a development, that ending was insane!
 
Dec 1, 2013 9:28 PM

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matmetal said:
Luthimal said:
Bombing a space operation to prevent the growth of first-world nations? Damn Hakim is an idiot. For every dollar/euro spent on space travel, far more was wasted on pet projects and corrupted embezzlement, and certainly more was spent on military research and development that's increased when terrorist attacks occur.


Maybe that's true nowadays, not necessarily in the world of Planetes (Considering their situation, they probably spend a ton on space research), but I think arguing wether Hakim's actions are wrong or right is not the point, the idea is to present the conflict that comes with this one sided development
It clearly doesn't apply to the world of Planetes since they are making a profit (and quite a large one at that since they have a monopoly on materials no longer found on earth) mining things in space. Unlike reality where that is not yet a reality (although it could be in a few decades).

By the way, knew Hakim was a terrorist . . . Also Hachi should get the hell out of there, Feel like he is in a position to get blamed for all of this. And hopefully he will realize how much of an ass he is after this.
 
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Mirorin said:
jackitsu said:
I believe giving up everything for your dream is okay on some level, but good god at least tell the poor girl you're done with her.

Seriously! Or Tanabe should tell him it's over.
Totally. He needs a punch or two.
 
Jun 7, 2014 10:39 PM

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That line about being miserable was fantastically voiced.

Planetes dub gooo~!
 
Jul 12, 2014 2:59 PM

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Good story and all, just find the VA for the protagonist quite annoying.


 
Jul 22, 2014 10:47 AM

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Well isn't this a hefty little episode. I'm glad that we're finally seeing the true weight of the series.

Like a lot of people here, I knew Hakim was up to know good. It's unfortunate as I wish they could've gambled a bit more on his character and had him go the other way (I mean, making a man from the middle east a terrorist is such an obvious move.)

The decision isn't wrong. I just find that the way they wrote the roots of aggression they gave the third world country representatives (Hakim and Claire) weren't as complex as they could've been. Bitterness towards first world countries for their capitalist plights is still too flat for something this ambitious, I find. Mind you, this is coming from a guy who lives in a third world country.

The story is playing with extremes here. Both the aggression and the self-centered dreams are a bit too extreme, although admittedly, the concoction is still very potent. Can't say I like all the little details, but the big picture is still marvelous to look at.

Edit: I take back what I said about the root being too flat. After watching a couple more episodes, it made more sense to me. I guess it takes a bit longer to sink in.
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Zankyou no Terror
 
Jan 17, 2016 5:50 AM
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Von Braun no more, Hachimaki.
 
Apr 27, 2016 2:07 PM

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Fucking hell hoshino have become an annoying shitty character, hope he goes back to who he was before
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Jun 28, 2016 11:07 PM

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Naruhodo! Only the elite country will gain advantage of the resources in Jupiter. I learned a lot!

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Jul 1, 2016 3:39 AM
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Hachimaki having doubts if getting to Jupiter is the correct choice for him?

Also there is Hakim who is setting up a bomb to damage the Von Braun. Hachimaki catches him red handed but isn't able to stop him. If Hachimaki stays in that place all the attention will be brought to him as it looks like he did the bombing.
 
Aug 19, 2016 11:04 PM

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Why did I feel a sense of satisfaction as Hoshino was betrayed?
 
Jan 15, 2017 7:20 PM

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i really hate how Ai is considered the "worse option" or the last resort for Hachi... i genuinely hope they break up in the end but i know it's probably not gonna happen.

completely forgot about that old man with the cancer again, wonder how Hachi will react.

i also like the addition of Colin, he's an entertaining character

uguhughug i hate Hachi so much, such an annoying character. he was alright in the first few episodes but he got more and more annoying as episodes progressed

by the way, the first accident caused the deaths of all the workers there right? wasn't the ninja group there? whoops

yeah i was kind of suspecting of Hakim being a suspicious character by some previous signs. i kinda like him even more now, he has a good reason for his cause

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Why did I feel a sense of satisfaction as Hoshino was betrayed?

same...because he was being a selfish brat and betrayed his friends
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So the only guy from a place coded as our Middle East turns out to be a terrorist. That's some crazy inventive writing right there! Pure genius. Also, definitely not an ass-pull.

Seriously though, what happened to my charming little show about collecting trash in space?

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Now Hachi and Tanabe can be reunited!

If I was merely apathetic to this pairing before, now I'm actually sick of it.
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Mar 16, 2018 1:03 AM

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really glad they're focusing on the third world vs first world narrative

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It's a scary day indeed when I sympathize more with the terrorists than the men who are following their dreams. But cold people with no soul or humanity scare the crap out of me.


agreed


 
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Hachimaki went full insufferable. He is still talking with his own image, he acts as if the ship 'belongs' to him, and as long as he can be in a fast ship, he is indifferent to the suffering of the people on Earth, wow. He was even a jerk to Tanabe too, what a fall to a character that was kind of cool.

The Debris Section also ended up on the news again, they were used to give notoriety to a supposed terrorist attack, planted to cover the accident. The spoiled rich brat from the start was back, but since he wasn't the focus he didn't have the time to be insufferable, only annoying. Hachimaki, and Tanabe are truly part of the lucky ones, it's funny of Hachimaki to say that he is miserable too to someone like Hakim. Sure, his father was absent, but he had a home, education, a mother, a brother, and more opportunities than many. I wonder if the ship was really put out of commission with those bombs. I don't agree with Hakim's ways, but like that random character said during the first tests, people should take care of Earth, and of what they already have first.
 
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LeeTailor said:
So the only guy from a place coded as our Middle East turns out to be a terrorist. That's some crazy inventive writing right there! Pure genius.

Haha, I was thinking the same thing
 
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Such a jerk in this arc.
 
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