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Feb 20, 2012 8:01 PM

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Orulyon said:
I think if it was Vincent it wouldnt be a troll, and we know Jun loves to troll us. I believe that Vince did hate Alice and even killed Cheshire, but for sure he didnt kill her, c´mon, it must have been B-Rabbit who killed her, and B-Rabbit is probably Oz. In chapter 20, Oz says in a berserk moment that "he will destroy Alice", so it makes sense. But then, again, didnt Alice died murdered by scissors? if it was B-rabbit, it doesnt make sense to use scissors...
I thought Jack could have killed her, but then, if it was Jack, then why did he got so mad with Glen in the flashback and yelled "You want to use Alice?!". I believe if there is anything genuine in Jack´s heart its only two simple things: Lacie and Alice( simply for being Lacie´s daughter, its enough). I dont think it was Jack even if he doesnt give a shit about others.
but iam certainly curious how B-Rabbit became Jack´s chain...for that i do have a hint on chapter 20
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But B-Rabbit is Oz... what do you mean probably? Yes he did say "I'll destroy Alice if it makes her happy, I'll destroy everything that makes you sad!" I believe Oz would kill her with scissors because he could hide those better than hiding a giant scythe especially if he was in his plush rabbit form. But since Alice was falling from the ceiling (it seems in the memory) then how ... ?

I think when he said "You want to use Alice!?" because he needs her to talk to the Intention who can grant his wish. Without Alice he can't fufill his plan to bring back Lacie (or fufill her wish) Also Revis said he could use Alice however he wishes... it makes me wonder if he honestly cares for Alice or if it's merely a facade to get to the Intention.

He gained his Chain from the Intention because he learned about Celia's Chain, became interested and wanted one so learned a way to enter the Core in order to meet with the Intention have tea and cookies, call her a glutton, and obtain a Chain for himself... (which would be Oz, also couldn't it have been the Intention who was calling Oz her friend? Since it seems that of the two the Intention loves "dollies" more ? So then she would give Oz as a present to Jack for being her friend? Okay... now I'm just going off track. ) Okay I get it. Also Oz's body is Jack's so it could just be Jack's memory that Oz is seeing.

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Gil + Leo + Vince = Baskervilles
Bakservilles - Vince = Defected to get his wish granted
Vince + Jack(Oz) = Master and Servant
Alice ... all alone. On neither side because she does not know this Glen and not with Oz because ... well if he DID kill her... why would she?

If Jack does really care about Alice, then it would also be for their friendship and not only the fact that Alice is Lacie's daughter. If he truly doesn't care about her though, then it's to keep her alive to continue seeing the Intention to get closer to granting his or Lacie's wish. the Will loves Jack? More like obssessed ahaha.

Oh damn, there is too much going on in Pandora Hearts. Jun... why you make us think so much ?!
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Feb 21, 2012 7:14 AM

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You didn't say anything ... ?
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Feb 21, 2012 7:30 AM
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I know it missed off the end of my message- computers seriously messed up

In the opera house Rufus Barma was telling Alice that she wanted to forget her memories because they were too painful and if she remembered she'd want to die. So something really traumatic must have happened to her and maybe she asked Oz to kill her cause she couldn't carry on? They did make a promise that Oz would always help when she was in need... I don't know, I'm still peeling bits of my brain off of the wall
 
Feb 21, 2012 9:58 AM

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Yeah, I think Oz would kill Alice if he thought she wanted him to and if it would make her happy. Of course, we also don't know if he actually did.

We also don't know if Alice would die if Oz does. I mean, prior to her fading in 65, I would never imagine that her personal existence would be affected by the loss of B-Rabbit power. I mean, she's existed perfectly fine on her own before, so I don't see how being separated from that power would do anything except turn her human again. But yeah, her fading is troubling... we still don't know why that's happening, though, or where she's going.

The same question can be asked of Alyss, though. She doesn't want to be Will of the Abyss anymore... does that mean she'll die if she stops being WotA? does she want to die? I think there must be a way to separate both Alice and Alyss from the powers that got attached to them, and just have them be human.
 
Feb 21, 2012 12:35 PM

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cielleia said:

But Alice also has a twin sister and Zwei (Noise) has another personality that shares her body called Echo which could also symbolize twins. Their Chain is called Doldum in reference to the Tweedle twins. Also, when Gilbert brought out Raven they ran off.

Tweedledee and Tweedledum ran away from the giant Crow in the story and never got to start their battle over the brand new rattle.


Ok because English is not my mother language, and I didn't read the Alice novel this was a new thing for me.

cielleia said:

Also I thought.
Jack = Lewis Carrol, as he loved kids just like Jack does.


That was the writer of the real story, right?

cielleia said:

Oz = White Rabbit (that's it's name)

Glen = The Red King because it would make sense in that Miranda loves him (his head I should say) and wants his head. If she is counted as the Red Queen, which connects her to the Chain also known as The Queen of Hearts. It would make sense because all three, Red Queen/Hearts, Miranda and the Chain all loved heads.

Duke Barma = The Caterpillar, knowledgeable in every subject.

Echo&Noise aka Zwei = Tweedle Twins

Who is the watchmaker you mentioned for Jack? & There's only one rabbit but there is a March Hare which is similar to a rabbit.


These are usefull stuffs, thx^^ The watchmaker probably my mistake, because there was an Alice manga where a watchmaker was a main charachter, or could be said it was a shinigami thing, and I thought that the real Alice story has something similar too, but I was wrong^^"

cielleia said:

So far, still not sure about Lacie's return although I don't think she'll come back but rather help Jack move on. Why? I dunno.


Well Lacie had some stuffs in her mind I think...
 
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These are usefull stuffs, thx^^ The watchmaker probably my mistake, because there was an Alice manga where a watchmaker was a main charachter, or could be said it was a shinigami thing, and I thought that the real Alice story has something similar too, but I was wrong^^"



Yes I know that manga too. Altough in the novel there's no watchmaker the white rabbit is always late and always checks his pocket watch. (so watches might come from that line :) )
 
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Yes I totlly agree with this! When Zai's son was born the doctors said there was something wrong with him... maybe because he was a child of misfortune???
 
Feb 25, 2012 9:43 AM

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About Oz killing Alice. I also think he did as it was pretty much openly said earlier.
Here and on the next page.
Yura was trying to recreate the tragedy of Sablier and it was so similar that Vincent had a flashback earlier, then read what Oz is thinking on those pages.
At first I thought those were Jack's memories, but then all the other chapters came out.
As for Vincent, that would be way too obvious. The scissors were bloody because he killed her cat, but technically he could have just left them there(he didn't have them in the Abyss). Not to mention that it's pretty hard to kill someone with scissors.
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Feb 25, 2012 9:55 AM
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About Oz killing Alice. I also think he did as it was pretty much openly said earlier.
Here and on the next page.
Yura was trying to recreate the tragedy of Sablier and it was so similar that Vincent had a flashback earlier, then read what Oz is thinking on those pages.
At first I thought those were Jack's memories, but then all the other chapters came out.
As for Vincent, that would be way too obvious. The scissors were bloody because he killed her cat, but technically he could have just left them there(he didn't have them in the Abyss). Not to mention that it's pretty hard to kill someone with scissors.


I'd completely forgot about this, but you're right, he pretty much confesses to killing Alice!! This story just keeps getting sadder and sadder!!!

Also, IF Vincent is Zai's real son, that would make Ada his sister... who he dated! :S
 
Feb 25, 2012 9:59 AM

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I'd completely forgot about this, but you're right, he pretty much confesses to killing Alice!! This story just keeps getting sadder and sadder!!!

Also, IF Vincent is Zai's real son, that would make Ada his sister... who he dated! :S


Except he didn't really like Ada anyways he thought she was weird and ... well a Vessalius. He only dated her to make Gil happy and to get to Oz, I believe ? I know for sure about that Gil getting off his back though.
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Feb 25, 2012 11:00 AM
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WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You mean PH chpater 70 has only been released in OV don't you??????????? cuz i can't find the english version anywhere !!!!!!!!!!!! can't understand anything of the raw version T_T
 
Feb 26, 2012 12:36 PM
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I'm betting that it really is Oz who killed Alice because in chapter one, she stated that http://www.mangareader.net/350-24630-35/pandora-hearts/chapter-1.html Oz stayed by her side whenever she was sad, but a few pages after that, http://www.mangareader.net/350-24630-38/pandora-hearts/chapter-1.html she said that she would never forgive him. For what? Possibly killing/ betraying her...

Then a few pages after that, she said that she was going to teach him feelings of disparity,etc. negative feelings hinting that he didn't feel feelings when he was in his chain form, but now that he's "human", he has gained that sense.
Makes sense? OTL Gomen, I'm bad at explaining things. XD
 
Feb 26, 2012 3:07 PM
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Wtf did I just read?

^is my reaction. This manga will never cease to amaze me profoundly.
 
Feb 26, 2012 3:32 PM

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My mind is so blown right now, O_O the whole entire chapter; sorry ahead of time if these sound like dumb questions, so if Oz is the B Rabbit that makes him a chain from the abyss right? then how the does the whole connection between him and Alice work, or the seal for that matter. I'm so lost right now, Also if that body doesn't belong to Oz then how is he inside of it, so many questions XD.
 
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Haaah, Jun...Stop breaking my mind every chapter, my mind can't take it anymore! Dx
So many things that's going on, so many twists here and there...

I want to read more! D8

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Feb 26, 2012 4:27 PM
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So if Oz is a chain, then does that mean he's a chain within a -

/shot

Now if we can only get an anime remake based solely on the manga.

My life will be complete.

Shit just totally got real.
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Feb 26, 2012 4:40 PM

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OH SH*T
 
Feb 26, 2012 5:43 PM

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Maffy said:
Wtf did I just read?

^is my reaction. This manga will never cease to amaze me profoundly.


This is how I feel.
 
Feb 26, 2012 5:57 PM
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Anyone have any theories on why does Oz have a contractor seal if he is a chain?

And well, if Zai switched his newborn son for the Oz we know, then he's certainly responsible for B-Rabbit's comeback, right? Maybe Zai offered his own son's body to be the vessel for B-Rabbit's soul or something, and the true Oz is gone because of that... although I have no idea why the Baskervilles would want to bring B-Rabbit back.

idk o.O
 
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Chains don't have to be that much different from humans. Many chains used to be humans. The Baskervilles are more chain that human, and they're perfectly capable of forming contracts with other chains. And, on top of this, Oz is in a human body - not his own, but in Jack's "container" - so I don't see why it's so strange that the body could make a contract. It's more of a contract between Jack and B-Rabbit than between Oz and himself. Of course, there's still something strange about this body, since its blood tastes different from that of a human. But, even so, we're back to the fact that Baskervilles form contracts all the time.
 
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Maffy said:
Wtf did I just read?

^is my reaction. This manga will never cease to amaze me profoundly.


This is how I feel.

same here.
 
Feb 26, 2012 8:13 PM

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I can't believe Mochizuki-sensei mindfucked us. Again.
Oz... is B-Rabbit... Like Neiru2012 said, it does make sense with the theories that had been running around my head... I just never expected it.

And Jack. I'm beginning to like him less, but I still don't know. He does lie in this chapter, absolutely lie, when he says he doesn't know about Alice to Glen. Everything else he says throughout the chapter were half truths, and maybe that can be construed as a truth in some way- I don't know. I do think he cared about Oswald, but he feels that Oswald has become Glen and abandoned himself.

While it is possible that Oz/B-Rabbit killed Alice, I still see no absolute evidence. The scissors we saw still could mean something, and definitely hints that Vince was up there at some point. However, the part that @Wapplesieat mentioned was a very good point. At the beginning, in Oz's "Dream", he sees Alice, in what might be the dress she wears during the Tragedy of Sablier. However, when he angers this Alice, she changes into her B-Rabbit clothes and threatens to slowly torture and kill Oz. I'm not sure what this means yet.. The idea that is floating around right now is that Oz did kill her, and that Alice/B-Rabbit represents himself, his own self-hatred at having killed the one he loved most. (Similar to Vincent's "A wretch I want to kill one of these days" comment to me~)

But what happened to the original Oz Vessalius? Oscar told Break that Zai took the baby away, and Break theorizes that the baby was exchanged with another. I had a theory that maybe they merged B-Rabbit Oz with the baby Vessalius (after all, he still looks like a Vessalius), but not so much when I remembered the whole 'body remembers' spiel. Plus, Oz says himself he's an odd contractor. His seal is always visible, but unlike Break's, it is not fully completed, and it doesn't have the same effect on his body. Maybe, like it keeps telling us the Abyss can, the Abyss rewound Jack's body and spit him back out? (I'll find a reference later)
So I'm really unsure about what happened to Zai's son, though I guess it could be Vince. Since Gil and he aren't twins, it's plausible, and maybe that is part of why his mother threw him out.
(And the masquerade mask here is interesting...)

Also doesn't Zai look a little like this guy who is tailing Jack in a memory? Just sayin'...
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This chapter mind boggles my head, so then what is alice? According to the 3rd old glen (the one with blonde hair, revis) alice was born out of the abyss (along with the other alice) and returned to the human world, so then that would mean she's human and was able to perhasp return return to the abyss freely after she died? who is that on page 44-45? is it alice or lacie? i cant tell. so then it would make sense if oz was the b-rabbit and alice was trying to get out of the abyss but needed oz's power to do so, and the fact that alice/lacie knows the bunny on the last page of this chapter means that its probably alice who probably has power of the abyss and turn oz (the bunny) into a chain, so then if thats the case then who's oz/jack's body really belong to? and how did jack die? this mess will probably be cleared up nxt chapter
 
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Too much mind fuck. Cannot comprehend. I'm going to have to reread the beginning of this arc since only one chapter comes out each month and I tend to forget things during each month.
 
Feb 26, 2012 10:12 PM

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what a shocking chapter....many people guessed Oz is a chain...but I never thought he would be B-Rabbit!! i wonder what will happen to him or what will Alice think of him from now on~ Can't wait!
 
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Daw, somebody else already noticed... anyways, the dress Alice was wearing when she was shown dead (http://www.mangareader.net/350-24649-3/pandora-hearts/chapter-20.html), was the same one in Oz's flashback fun in 59 (http://www.mangareader.net/pandora-hearts/59/11) meaning that it's very proable that Oz killed Alice.
Also, while Vincent possibly being Zai's son may be interesting, the doctor's saying something is "wrong" could also mean that he may've been stillborn (or something), right? (I think that might make sense...)
...Another thing, "Oz" would probably be derived from "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz" right? And, correct me if I'm mistaken, didn't the wizard come from a foreign land (or something)? (Suddenly Oz's name makes that much more sense... >_>")
Ah, on the whole "Alice fading" thing, I know that she's probably somehow connected to the B-Rabbit's power and all that, but I'm still not sure exactly how... (Does she solely exist because of them? Are they only responsile for her material form? Is she able to still coexist with Alyss without them? Who exactly set this up? (Yay, food for thought (with no answers.)
...Oz's life really sucks in this chapter. XD
 
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Holy Crap! JACK!!!! I was you absolute most loyal fan and NOW NOW I'm doubting you...

I can't believe...sigh....

Vincent can't be Zai's son because how then would he be alive 100 years ago?
I would say that Zai was there then too, but I would think Oscar would know if his little brother was someone coming from the past. Unless Oscar is really as crazy as the rest of the cast...):

Sigh...I am kind of actually terrified how it will all end...the other day I was dreaming theories and I actually came up with an ending that made me feel sick. I wonder if Breaks Red eyes are going to bring more meaning? Or also if there is some importance to Gil & Vinces real mother?

Whatever my predictions tend to be wrong....

I hope Jack has a hearts, and I hope Oz didn't kill Alice...maybe Miranda did? As revenge?

ALSO! Oscar, Oz, Ada and Zai...I have to add the first three are common Victorian era names whilst Zai is not.
 
Feb 27, 2012 12:26 AM

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Aw, man. My head just exploded. :-o. Poor Oz. Best manga ever. Damn jack, I am so annoyed with you right now!
 
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iciclepop said:
Shion97 said:
Maffy said:
Wtf did I just read?

^is my reaction. This manga will never cease to amaze me profoundly.


This is how I feel.

same here.

I definitely agree... I'm still pretty speechless but this was such an amazing chapter! It answered many questions while raising a bunch of other ones at the same time... I can't wait for the next chapter! I hope that Jack somehow redeems himself in the coming chapters. :( He used to be one of my favorite characters, so seeing this twisted side of him emerge is quite saddening!
 
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shit hit the fan^^
 
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I can't think straight...but I'll give it a try. (I read tons of interesting stuff on this topic but too lazy to quote kejdhfkmhksajd)

If Oz killed Alice, as some said, there's clear hints...if he did...then Jack did it, since he's the contractor...Now, why? I can't connect the dots...Alice was a "piece" of Lacie, how would killing her help him retrieve Lacie? Even in his mad mind, that doesn't seem to make sense...there's something missing...
Ok, officially, Jack is a very disturbed person. :S Still, he is very calculating...he didn't went on a rampage, he planned things kashdkamhskdj MIXED FEELINGS

Oh Glen(Oswald) said he used Oz-B-Rabbit to break the chains. What chains? So Jack caused the whole tragedy? So what did Vincent do?

This hurts...what happened to Oz...it seems like all of Alice 'friends' have horrible stories.
That 'Alice' that appears in this chapter talking to Oz the stuffed animal...was she Alice or Alyss? (I can never tell apart OTL) She seemed Alyss to me.
Poor Oz...Poor Oz...Poor Oz T_________________________T

I felt the bomb was coming but how can one be ready for this...

We had Jack, Lacie , Glen, Alice, Oz...who's next? ajkdhmkdhafmsud

One more thing...what's Gil going to do now...I'm worried, this may get even "worse" than it already is ;_;



 
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This chapter left me thinking all day grr.So what i really want to know is why was alice alive as the b-rabbit..if it was Oz who killed her but at the same time isnt Alice actually bound to the Abyss and that's why she became b-rabbit or was it something that Oz did as b-rabbit in order to save her...Also i dont get what's the whole point of her memory lost and where they really scatered..and when they were in the meomry with chesire why did Jack want Alice to cling to that memory....I was also thinking if Gil was to be the next vessal for Glen and Vincent was the child of misfortune was Jack angry at Oswald for that he is going to make Gil send Vincent to the abyss like Oswald did with Lacie....also there is the same rabbit doll like the one in this chapter in the first chapter when Oz first met the will of abyss but it seemed that the doll was alive.


Also on the page where the ground shaked and Glen attacked Jack must have been the shock that happened when Vincent opened the Door and the tragedy occured
 
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Ill maintain my theory that Jack contracted with Oz with the help of Alyss, since in chapter 20 Jack is on Alyss´s room in the Abyss and its a memory of Oz, which means, Oz was there too.

Also does anyone can see in this chapter, what is Jack holding in this page?
Because it seems to me two things: rabbit ears...or...scissors.
It could be plushie Oz...or it can be the scissors that were used to kill Alice.
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Rianri said:
I can't think straight...but I'll give it a try. (I read tons of interesting stuff on this topic but too lazy to quote kejdhfkmhksajd)

If Oz killed Alice, as some said, there's clear hints...if he did...then Jack did it, since he's the contractor...Now, why? I can't connect the dots...Alice was a "piece" of Lacie, how would killing her help him retrieve Lacie? Even in his mad mind, that doesn't seem to make sense...there's something missing...
Ok, officially, Jack is a very disturbed person. :S Still, he is very calculating...he didn't went on a rampage, he planned things kashdkamhskdj MIXED FEELINGS

Oh Glen(Oswald) said he used Oz-B-Rabbit to break the chains. What chains? So Jack caused the whole tragedy? So what did Vincent do?

This hurts...what happened to Oz...it seems like all of Alice 'friends' have horrible stories.
That 'Alice' that appears in this chapter talking to Oz the stuffed animal...was she Alice or Alyss? (I can never tell apart OTL) She seemed Alyss to me.
Poor Oz...Poor Oz...Poor Oz T_________________________T

I felt the bomb was coming but how can one be ready for this...

We had Jack, Lacie , Glen, Alice, Oz...who's next? ajkdhmkdhafmsud

One more thing...what's Gil going to do now...I'm worried, this may get even "worse" than it already is ;_;


Perhaps Alice tried to stop the tragedy?? Not sure how relevant this is, but during the reinactment, Alice was shouting "Don't let Oz destroy anything else" and then Oz commented that the events were 'exactly the same'. Maybe during the original tragedy, Alice told Jack not to let Oz destroy anything else and Jack told Oz to kill her because she would have prevented him getting Lacie back??? Yes, I also agree things are gonna get even worse!! :'(


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So what i really want to know is why was alice alive as the b-rabbit..if it was Oz who killed her but at the same time isnt Alice actually bound to the Abyss and that's why she became b-rabbit or was it something that Oz did as b-rabbit in order to save her


Yeah, I think this is pretty possible! Maybe Oz transfered all his powers to Alice so that she wouldn't die and over time, (maybe when his seal moves) the powers have slowly began to return to Oz, Jack did say that he was waiting for Oz to become more powerful.

Also, if Oz is B-rabbit, is he good or bad????
My mind is still mush!!
 
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I want to read this thread so badly, but I don't have time.
I just came to say that this chapter was perfect. I can't believe what I just read.

Pandora hearts is perfect, <3
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Also does anyone can see in this chapter, what is Jack holding in this page?
Because it seems to me two things: rabbit ears...or...scissors.
It could be plushie Oz...or it can be the scissors that were used to kill Alice.

It's probably the B-rabbit plushie, doesn't look like scissors.
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Also, if Oz is B-rabbit, is he good or bad????
My mind is still mush!!


I dont think Oz is bad, because it seems Jack kinda forced him to kill others, like he said in this chapter "Stop. I dont wanna kill them!" but Jack has the power to make him obey because he was his chain. Jack was probably the responsible for the tragedy and I believe Vincent was just a pawn for everything...

But who told him how to open the door was Miranda, and we know she wanted Glen´s head and Jack never gave her that, she be pretty pissed off and used Vince (since Jack kinda liked Vince and vice versa) to obtain her goal...
Anyway,
Probably it was not even Jack who killed Glen, but it was Oz under Jack´s command.
Now if he killed Alice I dont believe it was under Jack´s command...perhaps he wanted to help her so much that ended up killing her. We saw berserk Oz in chapter 20, so psycho as Jack. in fact its scary that not just their looks match but their personalities as well, since its like Jack would do everything for Lacie the same way Oz would do for Alice, no matter what. Also the angsty, hopeless Oz when he used to be depressive, resembled a lot Jack before Lacie found him.

I believe Jack will do everything to make Lacie´s wish come true, so...

anyway, to whom belongs Oz current human body? To Zai´s son? to Jack?

and wtf are Revis´s experiments about? T_T

And OMFG, next chapter Gil is gonna go berserk (that gun!!!!), now that he knows the truth, he will become Oz´s ENEMY. Leo wont die now, im really sure of it, Gil will save him.
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Great chapter!
And more mysteries!
I need to reread this manga sometime... A month gap always confuse me, in Pandora Heart's case.
 
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Now if he killed Alice I dont believe it was under Jack´s command...perhaps he wanted to help her so much that ended up killing her. We saw berserk Oz in chapter 20, so psycho as Jack. in fact its scary that not just their looks match but their personalities as well, since its like Jack would do everything for Lacie the same way Oz would do for Alice, no matter what. Also the angsty, hopeless Oz when he used to be depressive, resembled a lot Jack before Lacie found him.

and wtf are Revis´s experiments about? T_T


Yeah, I also think it's possible Oz killed her as a way of helping her. Rufus Barma mentioned if she regained her memories she'd want to die, so maybe something really bad happened to her and Oz wanted to protect her
Revis' experiment was to see whether humans could handle the power of the abyss- that's why Lacie got pregnant.
 
Feb 27, 2012 11:49 AM

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Now it all seems to fit together............Those scenes with Break where he is in chapter 9 this and the next page also this one + the next its something like what Oswald felt about Jack D:
Im interested what Glen meant when he said 'you used its powers to break the chains' is that why Oz is the key...hmm im confused

~~ And a lot of referance have been made that Oz is B-rabbit this and this and this there is so much xD
i love how Jun has cleverly put this all from the begining and it really does make the rereading value go up alot
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Feb 27, 2012 1:41 PM

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Oz being the B-Rabbit was surprising, to me at least.

We need more answers here.
 
Feb 27, 2012 1:51 PM

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Orulyon said:
I believe Jack will do everything to make Lacie´s wish come true, so...

and wtf are Revis´s experiments about? T_T

What is Lacie's wish?

And Revis experiment was to see if the core of the abyss could get into a body and posses it. He was only planning to use one kid for this, but ended up that Alice and Alyss were both born.
 
Feb 27, 2012 1:55 PM

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Liinah said:
Orulyon said:
I believe Jack will do everything to make Lacie´s wish come true, so...

and wtf are Revis´s experiments about? T_T

What is Lacie's wish?

And Revis experiment was to see if the core of the abyss could get into a body and posses it. He was only planning to use one kid for this, but ended up that Alice and Alyss were both born.


In this chapter Jack talks about Lacie´s wish, but it was not yet revealed what was her wish, it is something Revis told only to Jack, as well as the experiments (Glen does not know anything about it, Revis told only to Jack).
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Feb 27, 2012 2:21 PM

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I LOVED THAT CHAPTER!

“Girls can wear jeans and cut their hair short and wear shirts and boots because it’s okay to be a boy; for girls it’s like promotion. But for a boy to look like a girl is degrading, according to you, because secretly you believe that being a girl is degrading.”—Ian McEwan, The Cement Garden (1978)
 
Feb 27, 2012 2:54 PM
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I hope this isn't a stupid question....
If Oz is the B-Rabbit, how is.. um.. how is Alice the B-Rabbit?
 
Feb 27, 2012 4:14 PM

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That explains why Oz could wield the power of B-Rabbit so well. Instead of it seeming like Oz was being assisted by B-Rabbit's power like other contractors and their chains...It seemed like he possesed the original power and if I remember correctly...wasn't Alice the one who suffered when Oz used B-Rabbit's power?

Thats a good twist...not completly mind blowing up pretty cool. I suspected that Jack was the psycho.

So the people wanted to kill Oz for what he did as B-Rabbit...but how the hell did he become Oz Vessalius!!??
 
Feb 27, 2012 11:05 PM

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>read chapter
>my face when
 
Feb 28, 2012 12:41 AM

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Alice wearing the same dress in Oz's memory as she did during the Sablier tragedy just means he was there. And he was there, in her room, all the time. Doesn't necessarily mean he killed her. Jus'sayin'!

Somebody prolly already mentioned this possibility, but, maybe Oz did kill her. Maybe she asked him to after finding out what Jack and/or Glen want from her, or maybe Oz just thought that's what she wanted. Maybe Jack then walked in on dead Alice and B-Rabbit next to her, and contracted with B-Rabbit there. Maybe that's why he was crying the whole time, since his only means of getting Lacie back was dead.

I don't believe that, though, and I hope that's not true. Just throwing out a crazy theory. And it's probably contradicted by other things, such as Vincent's insistence that Jack was trying to protect Alice all through the tragedy, and Yura's confirmation of that during his reenactment. There's also the question of whether Oz becoming psychotic in B-Rabbit mode (such as in Cheshire dimension and elsewhere) is the result of Jack's yandere-ness or B-Rabbit's own personality, which influenced Jack instead of the other way around.

Ultimately I think it's futile to speculate since Jun is bound to do something none of us will expect.
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Feb 28, 2012 12:59 AM

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Neiru2012 said:

Somebody prolly already mentioned this possibility, but, maybe Oz did kill her. Maybe she asked him to after finding out what Jack and/or Glen want from her, or maybe Oz just thought that's what she wanted. Maybe Jack then walked in on dead Alice and B-Rabbit next to her, and contracted with B-Rabbit there. Maybe that's why he was crying the whole time, since his only means of getting Lacie back was dead.


Now that you mention it, there was this and the following pages...
 
Feb 28, 2012 2:42 AM

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Striderfang said:
So the people wanted to kill Oz for what he did as B-Rabbit...but how the hell did he become Oz Vessalius!!??

it was a body swap im sure of it xD this
 
Feb 28, 2012 3:57 AM
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I've always been wondering why Gil and Vince look so different when they are supposed to be brothers, it would kinda make more sense if Vince was really Zai's son. I don't even know what to think anymore, the story is so unpredictable.

I'd like to see Vincent's face when he realizes that Ada is his sister though.
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