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Feb 29, 2012 12:41 AM
#101
Vinter said: corbenic said: Cool spoiler there. Not really a spoiler if they advertise it on the box. And in almost every ad for the game on the internet. And in official dlc trailer. And in promo articles surrounding the DLC. And in preorder pages. Defiance said: Fai said: Ugh, people will believe anything. You do know that rediculous amount includes things like the 140$ keyboard that just give you the collector assault rifle, right? As a matter of fact, all the physical swag that you can get(shown here) with "DLC" attached to it amounts to $630, and that's not including the figure sets. The only reason people actually believe this stat from the gaming news organizations(in this case, destructoid) is because fucking idiots like you won't do your research. You might as well be drinking the Fox News Koolaid for all I know.Mass effect III if you include all dlcs, ALREADY costs around 870$... Seriously though, people are just looking for reasons to hate this game because of it's immense popularity. They know it's going to be big and they are looking for a reason not to buy it themselves. All I can do is plead that people not be stupid and get caught up in the random hate. Yes, Origin sucks and is the main reason people don't want to buy ME3, but don't go looking for shit that doesn't even exist as a reason to dislike the game. Question 1 : Does a DLC make game more complete and add things I would not have without it? YES. Question 2 : Do I need to buy those items to get the dlc? YES. Question 3: do people care about overpriced razor lame character figurines and all that other stuff? NO. QUestion 4: Will people buy all that lame money-milking stuff purely because of codes? YES. Thus the full game price. This DLC concept is just as ridiculous as adding DLC codes to soda and chips. Gogetters said: 2. Play the game before you say it's not any good. Reading an entire script for the game and gasping at its vomit inducing b-movie cliches and horrible writing quality akin to Dragon Age II was enough. Playing the incredibly streamlined commercial gearsofwars-y demo only sealed it all. |
Feb 29, 2012 3:19 AM
#102
Fai said: All that DLC does is give you an additional in game retro weapon(and its the same item for every purchase) lol, it does not change your experience of the game in the slightest. You are just looking for a reason to bitch and moan. You wouldn't even admit in your post that you were mistaken and just followed what some asshole on the interwebz wrote. The fact that I have pointed it out to you and didn't refute a single thing in my post just shows how ignorant you are choosing to be.Defiance said: Fai said: Ugh, people will believe anything. You do know that rediculous amount includes things like the 140$ keyboard that just give you the collector assault rifle, right? As a matter of fact, all the physical swag that you can get(shown here) with "DLC" attached to it amounts to $630, and that's not including the figure sets. The only reason people actually believe this stat from the gaming news organizations(in this case, destructoid) is because fucking idiots like you won't do your research. You might as well be drinking the Fox News Koolaid for all I know.Mass effect III if you include all dlcs, ALREADY costs around 870$... Seriously though, people are just looking for reasons to hate this game because of it's immense popularity. They know it's going to be big and they are looking for a reason not to buy it themselves. All I can do is plead that people not be stupid and get caught up in the random hate. Yes, Origin sucks and is the main reason people don't want to buy ME3, but don't go looking for shit that doesn't even exist as a reason to dislike the game. Question 1 : Does a DLC make game more complete and add things I would not have without it? YES. Question 2 : Do I need to buy those items to get the dlc? YES. Question 3: do people care about overpriced razor lame character figurines and all that other stuff? NO. QUestion 4: Will people buy all that lame money-milking stuff purely because of codes? YES. Thus the full game price. This DLC concept is just as ridiculous as adding DLC codes to soda and chips. Also, so what if they add dlc content? Bethesda has been doing it for ages, you make it seem like Bioware is some sort of monster that is doing something completely unheard of. Not to mention those "overpriced" razor items that you say nobody wants have sold out, don't get mad bro just because you can't afford them. |
Feb 29, 2012 4:45 AM
#103
Defiance said: Fai said: All that DLC does is give you an additional in game retro weapon(and its the same item for every purchase) lol, it does not change your experience of the game in the slightest. .Defiance said: Fai said: Ugh, people will believe anything. You do know that rediculous amount includes things like the 140$ keyboard that just give you the collector assault rifle, right? As a matter of fact, all the physical swag that you can get(shown here) with "DLC" attached to it amounts to $630, and that's not including the figure sets. The only reason people actually believe this stat from the gaming news organizations(in this case, destructoid) is because fucking idiots like you won't do your research. You might as well be drinking the Fox News Koolaid for all I know.Mass effect III if you include all dlcs, ALREADY costs around 870$... Seriously though, people are just looking for reasons to hate this game because of it's immense popularity. They know it's going to be big and they are looking for a reason not to buy it themselves. All I can do is plead that people not be stupid and get caught up in the random hate. Yes, Origin sucks and is the main reason people don't want to buy ME3, but don't go looking for shit that doesn't even exist as a reason to dislike the game. Question 1 : Does a DLC make game more complete and add things I would not have without it? YES. Question 2 : Do I need to buy those items to get the dlc? YES. Question 3: do people care about overpriced razor lame character figurines and all that other stuff? NO. QUestion 4: Will people buy all that lame money-milking stuff purely because of codes? YES. Thus the full game price. This DLC concept is just as ridiculous as adding DLC codes to soda and chips. It does not matter if its unimportant, they are still strpping away content away from the full game. Also have you ever heared about the "From ashes" DLC? This DLC gives you a Prothean squadmate and a quest where they give information of the prothean civilization and how they were destroyed by the reapers, if you actually played Mass effect you would know that the protheans are actually a very important race, in fact one of the most important races in the story. In other words they are selling you as DLC something thats part of the main story and whats worse is that they are selling this the day the game comes out, so they are pretty much selling you an incomoplete product, so stop saying the DLC they are selling is unimportant shit beacause thats false. http://uk.xboxlive.ign.com/articles/121/1219156p1.html And also its true that other developers also sell DLC, but that does not stop this from being wrong. And whats worse is that the DLC comes out the same day the game is released, which means they stripped the content out of the full game and sell you an incomplete product in order to sell it as DLC and milk the shit out of the consumer. You see even if I were rich I would not buy this shit simply beacuse bioware is taking me like an idiot. LOL paying 870 dollars so you can get the complete game. You do realize you can buy like 12 games with this amount of money right? Also I do not remember any game that has 870 dollars worth of DLC |
Raziel1991Feb 29, 2012 5:43 AM
Feb 29, 2012 6:02 AM
#104
I don't get the people who complain about the fact that there is DLC on day one. If they published it just a few months later, no one would complain at all. Also, you could play ME2 without Zaeed and Kasumi, so why do you need the Prothean for ME3 that much? And if you were never told of the Prothean you wouldn't complain either about something being ripped out of the game. Would you be happier if they just putted the DLC in the main game straight away and just made the game more expensive? Surely you wouldn't complain then. If you don't want to pay the money, then don't buy the DLC. You can still enjoy the game. |
Feb 29, 2012 6:53 AM
#105
Assassin9399 said: I don't get the people who complain about the fact that there is DLC on day one. If they published it just a few months later, no one would complain at all. Also, you could play ME2 without Zaeed and Kasumi, so why do you need the Prothean for ME3 that much? And if you were never told of the Prothean you wouldn't complain either about something being ripped out of the game. Would you be happier if they just putted the DLC in the main game straight away and just made the game more expensive? Surely you wouldn't complain then. If you don't want to pay the money, then don't buy the DLC. You can still enjoy the game. Because the game lore does not focus on kasumi or mercenaries. It focuses on protheans. Imagine playing Knights of The Old republic...however! Malak is DLC ONLY!... Thats the level this is Thats the thing, They should NOT have made it more expensive. Games are already highly overpriced It does not make ethical sense to cut out parts of the game. Also, no, you still can't enjoy the game as ME3 is using the Origin spyware system. NOt to mention that, frankly, there's not much to enjoy in the entire game. The only reason I was ever considering buying ME3 after the atrocious news about its "Features" and the leaked full script of the game making me vomit was because my ocd compels me to complete game franchises I play. By the current value of ME3 I would have waited till game drops into bargain bin for 20$ or so( So I could buy it at its actual value), but the huge idiocy of DLC and games atrocity and online-drm and origin-requirement made sure I won't buy the game for at least few years. |
Feb 29, 2012 8:18 AM
#106
Also, previous times when BioWare pulled this, like with ME2, the DLC was free. This time they're literally removing content they've already made, from the game, and trying to sell it back to us afterwards. Imagine buying a painting, lets say a handmade Mona Lisa copy by some famous painter. And when it's delivered, they take out some scissors and cut out a big piece of it. Then they turn around and go: "If you want this part with the face on it you're going to have to pay extra." It's fucking ludicrous. |
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Feb 29, 2012 9:46 AM
#107
Fai said: akari13x said: Well if you buy the collector's edition of ME3 it comes with the DLC along with all the other "goodies" for only 20 bucks extra.. so for those who buy the regular edition they want the DLC for free when we who buy the collector's edition have to pay extra? lol if you don't want to pay for the DLC then don't get it, it's not going to be a ridiculously important part of the game anyway, that's why they make it DLC. sure it's nice to have some extra characters and missions and what not, but it's not a mandatory thing to complete the game, especially the DLC they supposedly cut from ME3. If you want it, buy it. if you don't wanna spend the money then don't get it. I understand that it's annoying but that's how it's gonna be with DLC. Not ridiculously important part? One of DLC's is a friggin PROTHEAN CHARACTER. You know, character from a race around which the entire lore revolves? THAT is exactly what takes this whole dlc fiasco way too far and it was already wayu too far. When one buys a game one expects a FULL game and not a PART of it. And ME3 is not even a good game, so I should pay an extra few hundred just so I could have a complete game by which I will most likely be horribly disappointed? There's a line in business ethics. EAware has crossed it long time ago. I see your point, but there's nothing you can really do about it. It's Bioware's game and they can do whatever they want with it. Some people care about what they're doing and some people don't. Some people will think that spending the extra 10 or whatever amount of dollars on the DLC is worth it because that's what they enjoy and find value in it, and others like you who don't have an interest in ME3 wouldn't want to pay the money for it. Do I wish it free and a part of the main game? Duh, of course, that'd be awesome to get that DLC for free, but is that how it works? No. But to me spending the extra 20 bucks on the DLC and the other things that comes with the Collector's Edition is worth it because that's what is of value to me. From here it's all about opinion really and what you think holds value to you. |
Feb 29, 2012 9:54 AM
#108
You can get ALL the DLC (Not including Amalur Demo DLC) by Pre-Ordering the Digital Deluxe Edition or the N7 Collector's Edition from Origin and the Art of the Mass Effect Universe from Barnes and Noble. Both Digital Deluxe Edition and N7 Collector's Edition is $79.99, Art of the Mass Effect Universe is $26 dollars. Grand total - $105 http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Downloadable_Content#Mass_Effect_3 This $870 crap is including stuff which is not DLC and is not what the average person would buy. $44.99 Liara figurine $80 4 Mass Effect 3 toys $59.99 Mass Effect 3 controller $209.99 Chimera 5.1 Headset $34.99 Mousepad $79.99 Messenger Bag $24.99 iPhone case $79.99 Mouse $139.99 Keyboard So, no, the "complete" game is not $870 dollars. I'm going to copy Totalbiscuit here by saying that DLC is fine if it's not taking development time away from the game. The art team has nothing to do the last few weeks, so creating new armor and weapon models and slapping them onto some already existing programming is perfectly fine for day 1 DLC. The Prothean character; however, is not and should have been part of the game. |
GogettersFeb 29, 2012 10:05 AM
Feb 29, 2012 10:12 AM
#109
akari13x said: others like you who don't have an interest in ME3 wouldn't want to pay the money for it. What makes you think we don't care? Just because our commitment to our principles of what is and isn't acceptable behaviour is stronger than our desire to play the game, that doesn't mean we don't want to play it. It doesn't mean we haven't played the other games and loved them, and waited with bated breath to see how the trilogy ends. I just means we're not willing to stand for being screwed over. This isn't just about Mass Effect, this is about the industry as a whole. This kind of shit should NOT be tolerated by anyone. |
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Feb 29, 2012 10:51 AM
#110
Vinter said: akari13x said: others like you who don't have an interest in ME3 wouldn't want to pay the money for it. What makes you think we don't care? Just because our commitment to our principles of what is and isn't acceptable behaviour is stronger than our desire to play the game, that doesn't mean we don't want to play it. It doesn't mean we haven't played the other games and loved them, and waited with bated breath to see how the trilogy ends. I just means we're not willing to stand for being screwed over. This isn't just about Mass Effect, this is about the industry as a whole. This kind of shit should NOT be tolerated by anyone. I understand where you're coming from, I think I worded what I meant wrong, sorry. But sure yeah it pisses me off too but it's not like I can really do anything about it you know? This is how society works and everything is about money. Like yeah I think it's a rip off to pay 80 dollars for some Collector's edition but I only bought that version because I wanted the new character and missions, this was way before the whole controversial DLC with ME3. Sure it's fucked up cutting it and then selling it back, but this is how the gaming industry works, it's all about money and unfortunately if we want to play games we like and want then we're going to have to pay what the industry wants, unless we go on bargain sites or something and get it for cheaper. Trust me I agree, it's pretty messed up, but I don't really think that we can do anything about it, unless a mass amount of people boycott video games to where it'll put a huge dent in the industry but that's not going to happen because not enough people are going to be willing to do something like that. It's just something that we're going to have to deal with I guess. |
akari13xFeb 29, 2012 11:04 AM
Feb 29, 2012 1:07 PM
#112
Fai said: Vinter said: corbenic said: Cool spoiler there. Not really a spoiler if they advertise it on the box. And in almost every ad for the game on the internet. And in official dlc trailer. And in promo articles surrounding the DLC. And in preorder pages. Somehow, I haven't heard of it before. It's not in the preorder page, and I was under the impression that that DLC trailer was leaked. But I try to avoid getting too much pre-release info about games nowadays because they reveal so much in trailers and other promo that it really detracts from the experience. It's not a great practice if you ask me, not for plot focused games at least. I.e. I didn't watch any trailers for ME2 and I was genuinely surprised about Legion. I actually didn't know about him and it was a good feeling to find out. Gogetters said: I'm going to copy Totalbiscuit here by saying that DLC is fine if it's not taking development time away from the game. The art team has nothing to do the last few weeks, so creating new armor and weapon models and slapping them onto some already existing programming is perfectly fine for day 1 DLC. The Prothean character; however, is not and should have been part of the game. The problem with this attitude is that you have no way of knowing such things. Whether it was developed after release or cut out from the game before going gold, or maybe something in-between. What can you rely on? Developers' word, rumours? |
Feb 29, 2012 1:55 PM
#113
corbenic said: The problem with this attitude is that you have no way of knowing such things. Whether it was developed after release or cut out from the game before going gold, or maybe something in-between. What can you rely on? Developers' word, rumours? Except the character lines are in game's script already(the whole script leaked long time ago) and the character exists in the game world you just can't even get or talk to him without dlc. The naivety of some people is astonishing. |
Feb 29, 2012 2:13 PM
#114
Fai said: corbenic said: The problem with this attitude is that you have no way of knowing such things. Whether it was developed after release or cut out from the game before going gold, or maybe something in-between. What can you rely on? Developers' word, rumours? Except the character lines are in game's script already(the whole script leaked long time ago) and the character exists in the game world you just can't even get or talk to him without dlc. The naivety of some people is astonishing. So is the one-track mind of some. I was talking about the modern DLC practice in general. |
Feb 29, 2012 2:14 PM
#115
ME1 is mediocre ME2 is good We don't know what ME3 will be like, stop judging things on demo And the saves are the best thing. |
Feb 29, 2012 2:21 PM
#116
Feb 29, 2012 2:37 PM
#117
akari13x said: Well, since the Prothean's lines were supposedly leaked while the game was in development, I think it's safe to assume it was cut during.That video was so true actually. But was the DLC actually cut from the game or was it developed during/afterwards? I'm just confused because I've read mixed things about it. |
GogettersFeb 29, 2012 2:40 PM
Feb 29, 2012 2:41 PM
#118
Gogetters said: akari13x said: Well, since the Prothean's lines were leaked during the development, I think it's safe to assume it was cut during.That video was so true actually. But was the DLC actually cut from the game or was it developed during/afterwards? I'm just confused because I've read mixed things about it. Woww, that's pretty messed up.. I mean regardless I'm still going to get the N7 Collector's Edition because it comes with it and I want it ;_; but yeah I definitely agree with that guy though it really is all about exploitation and a lot of us buy into it unfortunately :( |
Feb 29, 2012 3:01 PM
#119
nathanr said: ME1 is mediocre ME2 is good We don't know what ME3 will be like, stop judging things on demo And the saves are the best thing. Here's a hint. Saves don't matter at all the same no matter what save you load. You killed Rachni queen? Oh well, reapers got another one out of nowhere. Udina or Anderson? Does not matter, anderson still dies and Udina is still given the post and indoctrinated.and so on and so on. Not surprising, considering everything leads to just three possible endings ripped off from Deus Ex Lets see: A) you destroy the jump gates and reapers and technology is set back far far in the galaxy. B) you take over the reapers. C) you merge with the reapers making them into angels, since reapers are already pretty much god-created thing, helping all races |
Feb 29, 2012 5:06 PM
#120
Oh well, so there are three different endings at least, then why the bitching and whining? I mean, assuming they are at least not all activated from three different consoles right after the final boss, yea? |
Feb 29, 2012 5:09 PM
#121
Fai said: Thats the thing, They should NOT have made it more expensive. Games are already highly overpriced Good job failing economics, video games are the cheapest they've ever been in history right now. |
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Feb 29, 2012 5:29 PM
#122
Fai said: You seem to take an awful lot of interest in a game you say you don't care about/hate >_>.nathanr said: ME1 is mediocre ME2 is good We don't know what ME3 will be like, stop judging things on demo And the saves are the best thing. Here's a hint. Saves don't matter at all the same no matter what save you load. You killed Rachni queen? Oh well, reapers got another one out of nowhere. Udina or Anderson? Does not matter, anderson still dies and Udina is still given the post and indoctrinated.and so on and so on. Not surprising, considering everything leads to just three possible endings ripped off from Deus Ex Lets see: A) you destroy the jump gates and reapers and technology is set back far far in the galaxy. B) you take over the reapers. C) you merge with the reapers making them into angels, since reapers are already pretty much god-created thing, helping all races |
Mar 1, 2012 12:44 AM
#123
Baman said: Oh well, so there are three different endings at least, then why the bitching and whining? I mean, assuming they are at least not all activated from three different consoles right after the final boss, yea? Actually they kind of ARE all activated on the console in the very end when you reach the reaper ai core, which for some reason is inside the citadel station. Its literally three dialogue options. And game almost punishes you for chosing the two others and not the third one that makes no sense at all... Thats the problem. But why should be it surprising considering we are talking about the game which explained Reaper existence as "God created them loL!1111oneone" |
Mar 1, 2012 6:34 AM
#124
Fai said: nathanr said: ME1 is mediocre ME2 is good We don't know what ME3 will be like, stop judging things on demo And the saves are the best thing. Here's a hint. Saves don't matter at all the same no matter what save you load. You killed Rachni queen? Oh well, reapers got another one out of nowhere. Udina or Anderson? Does not matter, anderson still dies and Udina is still given the post and indoctrinated.and so on and so on. Not surprising, considering everything leads to just three possible endings ripped off from Deus Ex Lets see: A) you destroy the jump gates and reapers and technology is set back far far in the galaxy. B) you take over the reapers. C) you merge with the reapers making them into angels, since reapers are already pretty much god-created thing, helping all races oh well it still feels good that feeling that you create your own history and such |
Mar 1, 2012 6:38 AM
#125
"God created them loL!1111oneone" Does that make them the Jews? I KNEW THE JEWS CAME FROM SPACE |
Mar 1, 2012 11:20 AM
#126
Fai said: Because the game lore does not focus on kasumi or mercenaries. It focuses on protheans. Imagine playing Knights of The Old republic...however! Malak is DLC ONLY!... Thats the level this is Thats the thing, They should NOT have made it more expensive. Games are already highly overpriced It does not make ethical sense to cut out parts of the game. Also, no, you still can't enjoy the game as ME3 is using the Origin spyware system. NOt to mention that, frankly, there's not much to enjoy in the entire game. The only reason I was ever considering buying ME3 after the atrocious news about its "Features" and the leaked full script of the game making me vomit was because my ocd compels me to complete game franchises I play. By the current value of ME3 I would have waited till game drops into bargain bin for 20$ or so( So I could buy it at its actual value), but the huge idiocy of DLC and games atrocity and online-drm and origin-requirement made sure I won't buy the game for at least few years. Last time I checked, I was trying to save Earth from the Reapers, not reconstructing the prothean civilization. Lol, then they needed to cut the Reapers out, that's the same thing as removing Malak. I'm not going to argue the fact that games are expensive, it's a self powering circle, games are expensive, so people download more, which makes a game more expensive to produce, which makes it more expensive, and that results in people downloading more. Who is going to break this circle? I know about Origin, but ME3 is worth it for me. I've stucked more then 30 hours in ME, about 40 to 50 hours in ME2, and I'm not going to stop because Origin is a bitch. Too bad it isn't on steam, but I think that I'll need to ignore that. I didn't read the script, I want to be surprised, or if it's true what you claim, disappointed. But I liked the action from ME2 better then that of ME, so I'm already happy with the action of ME3. Not to mention the possibility to actually play it along with my father and friends instead of just discussing it. And finally, more people enjoyed the demo then were disappointed with it. That's the same approach as I had with some games I liked, to let them drop till they were cheap (like Prototype and Duke Nukem). However, ME3 is a game I really want, so it's worth the €50,- for me. |
Mar 1, 2012 12:40 PM
#127
because my ocd compels me to complete game franchises I play. bs, OCD doesn't work like that |
Mar 1, 2012 4:32 PM
#128
Assassin9399 said: I'm not going to argue the fact that games are expensive, it's a self powering circle, games are expensive, so people download more, which makes a game more expensive to produce, which makes it more expensive, and that results in people downloading more. Who is going to break this circle? I know about Origin, but ME3 is worth it for me. I've stucked more then 30 hours in ME, about 40 to 50 hours in ME2, and I'm not going to stop because Origin is a bitch. Too bad it isn't on steam, but I think that I'll need to ignore that. I didn't read the script, I want to be surprised, or if it's true what you claim, disappointed. But I liked the action from ME2 better then that of ME, so I'm already happy with the action of ME3. Not to mention the possibility to actually play it along with my father and friends instead of just discussing it. And finally, more people enjoyed the demo then were disappointed with it. That's the same approach as I had with some games I liked, to let them drop till they were cheap (like Prototype and Duke Nukem). However, ME3 is a game I really want, so it's worth the €50,- for me. I like the way you think! ^_^ Agreed. |
Mar 1, 2012 4:33 PM
#129
killed or not, I'm still going to get it simply because I still have saves from 2nd part |
Mar 1, 2012 5:04 PM
#130
nathanr said: I KNEW THE JEWS CAME FROM SPACE So Jews=Reapers? I would completely endorse this game if the underlying message was anti-Semitic. |
Mar 2, 2012 1:01 AM
#131
Assassin9399 said: Fai said: Because the game lore does not focus on kasumi or mercenaries. It focuses on protheans. Imagine playing Knights of The Old republic...however! Malak is DLC ONLY!... Thats the level this is Thats the thing, They should NOT have made it more expensive. Games are already highly overpriced It does not make ethical sense to cut out parts of the game. Also, no, you still can't enjoy the game as ME3 is using the Origin spyware system. NOt to mention that, frankly, there's not much to enjoy in the entire game. The only reason I was ever considering buying ME3 after the atrocious news about its "Features" and the leaked full script of the game making me vomit was because my ocd compels me to complete game franchises I play. By the current value of ME3 I would have waited till game drops into bargain bin for 20$ or so( So I could buy it at its actual value), but the huge idiocy of DLC and games atrocity and online-drm and origin-requirement made sure I won't buy the game for at least few years. Last time I checked, I was trying to save Earth from the Reapers, not reconstructing the prothean civilization. Lol, then they needed to cut the Reapers out, that's the same thing as removing Malak. I'm not going to argue the fact that games are expensive, it's a self powering circle, games are expensive, so people download more, which makes a game more expensive to produce, which makes it more expensive, and that results in people downloading more. Who is going to break this circle? I know about Origin, but ME3 is worth it for me. I've stucked more then 30 hours in ME, about 40 to 50 hours in ME2, and I'm not going to stop because Origin is a bitch. Too bad it isn't on steam, but I think that I'll need to ignore that. I didn't read the script, I want to be surprised, or if it's true what you claim, disappointed. But I liked the action from ME2 better then that of ME, so I'm already happy with the action of ME3. Not to mention the possibility to actually play it along with my father and friends instead of just discussing it. And finally, more people enjoyed the demo then were disappointed with it. That's the same approach as I had with some games I liked, to let them drop till they were cheap (like Prototype and Duke Nukem). However, ME3 is a game I really want, so it's worth the €50,- for me. I could care less about reapers themselves. ME was always about exploration, finding out stuff about prothean civilization, exploring the universe than fighting bugs and squids in generic cover shooting. Game expenses have NOTHING to do with that. A mainstream game recoups its production costs within first few hours of sales. Its not about cycle its about the greed. Origin is a spyware that allows EA to access your personal info and influence the way the ads are displayed in your computer. Its also highly inneficient and I would never ever ever install it on my pc without setting up a VM. It also acts as an online DRM, another huge NO NO. So overpriced DLC that cuts off important game content + spyware+ online drm... You see thats where we differ. I see the "bromultiplayer" as a huge negative, something that diminishes the value of this game, turns it into even more generic mainstream thing. It makes it feel like they are completely and utterly neglecting the singleplayer in favor of turning this franchise away from awesome rpg roots into more generic experience i would never touch like battlefield or gears of war. |
Mar 2, 2012 4:01 AM
#132
Fai said: I could care less about reapers themselves. ME was always about exploration, finding out stuff about prothean civilization, exploring the universe than fighting bugs and squids in generic cover shooting. Game expenses have NOTHING to do with that. A mainstream game recoups its production costs within first few hours of sales. Its not about cycle its about the greed. Origin is a spyware that allows EA to access your personal info and influence the way the ads are displayed in your computer. Its also highly inneficient and I would never ever ever install it on my pc without setting up a VM. It also acts as an online DRM, another huge NO NO. So overpriced DLC that cuts off important game content + spyware+ online drm... You see thats where we differ. I see the "bromultiplayer" as a huge negative, something that diminishes the value of this game, turns it into even more generic mainstream thing. It makes it feel like they are completely and utterly neglecting the singleplayer in favor of turning this franchise away from awesome rpg roots into more generic experience i would never touch like battlefield or gears of war. Indeed, that was ME, and not ME2. But I prefered ME2 way more then ME. ME2 had a bit of exploration, but the whole Mako thing was fun to do once, twice perhaps, like on Virmire. But other then that, it was boring to get information where I didn't really care about. I like the idea of saving the galaxy more then discovering facts about an extinct race. What I love about Mass Effect 2 is that it combines action with RPG in a way that you have both. Exploring? I play Skyrim if I want to explore, Skyrim has a much better looting system and more freedom. And did you even finish ME? Because the whole story was about stopping Saren, not finding out why the protheans were all extinct. Sure, you need the protheans for the story, but they were never the most important thing. It's about money. This whole world is about money. Also, why are you so sure? Did you look at how much the whole production costs, and did you calculate it if they are making that much money? Do you really know that, did you see the facts or are you just claiming it? Then don't buy it. Simple as it is, but because you don't like Origin doens't mean that Mass Effect is crap. Mainstream? No, it doesn't have a PvP multiplayer, which is mainstream. It's nothing like CoD. And even if it was mainstream, what's the problem with that? The multiplayer affects the singleplayer, and you don't even need to play the multiplayer. I'll giive you an example, namely Assassin's Creed. It has a multiplayer that's original, and the multiplayer is totally unnecessary, it just adds fun. I think it's the same with the ME3 multiplayer. You don't need to play it if you don't want to, but you can play it when you feel like it. Btw, I respect your opinion, but I just disagree :3 |
Mar 2, 2012 5:34 AM
#133
JonyJC said: nathanr said: I KNEW THE JEWS CAME FROM SPACE So Jews=Reapers? I would completely endorse this game if the underlying message was anti-Semitic. It's not just the Reapers Turians are German Batarians are Mexican Vorcha are Arabians and last, but not least Krogan are niggers(sterilize them!) |
Mar 2, 2012 6:57 AM
#134
Jennifer Hepler is one of the worst things that happened to Bioware the amount of crap spewing out of that women's brain is astounding. To be fair she is the symptom not the cause if it wasn't her writing shitty stories like the gem that was Dragon Age 2 it would be someone else. I would prove this by quoting her but I don't care anymore. |
Mar 2, 2012 7:21 AM
#135
Uhh... it's not like I'm looking forward to you or anything... baka game! >_o edit: The running & walking animations are beyond being hideous. Been a while since I've seen ones looking that awkward. |
Mar 2, 2012 9:31 AM
#136
JonyJC said: Jennifer Hepler is one of the worst things that happened to Bioware the amount of crap spewing out of that women's brain is astounding. To be fair she is the symptom not the cause if it wasn't her writing shitty stories like the gem that was Dragon Age 2 it would be someone else. I would prove this by quoting her but I don't care anymore. huh this makes no sense |
Mar 2, 2012 11:27 AM
#137
Mass Effect 3 Launch Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG2mdZ23eP8 *drools* |
Mar 2, 2012 11:51 AM
#138
they trully are pushing the whole "bros! action! gears of war! sex!" marketing....*sigh*. I half expected a linkin park song to pop up in that trailer. |
Mar 2, 2012 1:35 PM
#139
Fai said: Um, all 3 game have been action RPGs with sexual elements. I think you are just too dumb to realize it because of your massive hardon for bashing ME3. Every post I see from you just spews idiocy with you just looking for something to bitch about.they trully are pushing the whole "bros! action! gears of war! sex!" marketing....*sigh*. I half expected a linkin park song to pop up in that trailer. Do tell me what the game is supposed to be like in your infinite wisdom. Should we make it all a teeny melodrama like the past 10 FF games? Should we revert the gameplay back to ME1 where the controls were wonky? |
Mar 2, 2012 1:46 PM
#140
Defiance said: Fai said: Um, all 3 game have been action RPGs with sexual elements. I think you are just too dumb to realize it because of your massive hardon for bashing ME3. Every post I see from you just spews idiocy with you just looking for something to bitch about.they trully are pushing the whole "bros! action! gears of war! sex!" marketing....*sigh*. I half expected a linkin park song to pop up in that trailer. Do tell me what the game is supposed to be like in your infinite wisdom. Should we make it all a teeny melodrama like the past 10 FF games? Should we revert the gameplay back to ME1 where the controls were wonky? Controls were okay in ME1, the balance was off but controls were okay.l And compare ME1 trailer to this trailer. This is the ME1 launch trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqBpRJ7qgaM Heavy on breathtaking visuals and story line. No inception WHAAAAAAM Horns. NO baysplosion, no "OMG THIS IS EDGY CHECK IT OUT" sex scene focus. No annoying child war orphan deaths, What it did have? A portrayal of a compelling antagonist, epic confrontation, exploration and dramatic scenes. As I said, ME3 launch trailer so far is VERY oriented at console shooter crowd. Its like "LOOK! A WAR! LOOK SOME SEX! LOOK HE JUMPS AND STABS STUFF!!! LOOK ONE-LINERS WITH CUSS WORDS! LOOK HOW SPECIAL HE IS! WE ARE EDGY! BUY US!" And yes, I do not like what they did with ME3, so sue me. I tolerated, barely tolerated ME2 because there were still parts I liked and even though game lost anything rpg-y about it and majority of new characters were unbearable, I wanted to see how it all ends. ME3 is pretty much a generic dudebro game of REALISM! and WAR!...nothing what attracted me to this franchise is there and I am not sure on whether I will buy this game or will it join t he dead franchises for me like dragon age. |
Mar 2, 2012 3:47 PM
#141
It's no worse than that ME1 trailer. Complaining that if focuses on action and war when war is the setting of the whole game, valid complaint there indeed. And hey, at least there's no dubstep in this trailer. What I don't understand is how this invasion on Earth takes such a long time that Shepard can take his time travelling around the galaxy gathering allies and undoubtedly doing many other things on the side as well. |
Mar 2, 2012 5:04 PM
#142
corbenic said: It's no worse than that ME1 trailer. Complaining that if focuses on action and war when war is the setting of the whole game, valid complaint there indeed. And hey, at least there's no dubstep in this trailer. What I don't understand is how this invasion on Earth takes such a long time that Shepard can take his time travelling around the galaxy gathering allies and undoubtedly doing many other things on the side as well. Hence why I can't comprehend on WHY It starts with a war and focuses on it instead of focusing on PREPARATION for it, with war being the final act. The only explanation I can muster is that that way there would not be enough baysplosions. I would rather have entered ME3 a year before the war, going around the universe, collecting tech, calling in favors, exploring ruins of prothean civilization, uncovering prothean and reaper history, dealing with some badguy antagonist who has his own goals, etc, with everything leading to a final act being reapers arrival and an actual war. The very fact that it skips the INTERESTING things like exploration of universe's secrets (also the main selling point of this franchise for me) in order to get to "hey look,explosions" that lasts entire game, defying any logical sense(how the hell is earth still standing by the end of the game for sheppard to return save it?), drives me away from this game. Another selling point for me was CHOICES and how they affect everything. Bye everything however me3 is taking DAII approach to choices in that you can make whatever choices you want, you will still be locked into chosing one of three endings |
AhenshihaelMar 2, 2012 5:08 PM
Mar 2, 2012 9:05 PM
#143
Fai said: I would rather have entered ME3 a year before the war, going around the universe, collecting tech, calling in favors, exploring ruins of prothean civilization, uncovering prothean and reaper history, dealing with some badguy antagonist who has his own goals, etc, with everything leading to a final act being reapers arrival and an actual war. The very fact that it skips the INTERESTING things like exploration of universe's secrets (also the main selling point of this franchise for me) in order to get to "hey look,explosions" that lasts entire game, defying any logical sense(how the hell is earth still standing by the end of the game for sheppard to return save it?), drives me away from this game. Another selling point for me was CHOICES and how they affect everything. Bye everything however me3 is taking DAII approach to choices in that you can make whatever choices you want, you will still be locked into chosing one of three endings Ya I was also looking forward to having amassed a huge fleet ready to meet the reapers entering the milky way...but w.e. I mean my one character is a huge racist and spent the last two games trying to weaken the other races while making humanity stronger. So when I found out that ME3 would start off with Earth already getting its ass kicked and cerberus out to kill shepard The story and gameplay ratio weren't as realistic in ME2 as they were in ME1 in my opinion. It looks like ME3 will be similar to ME2 in that regard. I mean, earth is getting attacked and yet we can take the time to travel the galaxy to look for fule and war assets? Oh and the fact that Shepard STILL has to prove himself to everyone for the persuasion meter to unlock charm/intimidate options is completely retarded. After everything shep did in ME1 and ME2, regardless of playing as a paragon or renegade, almost everyone in the damn galaxy should know what the hell he's capable of......*sighs*...In the end Ill buy this game and enjoy playing it. But at the same time, with all the trends they've been showing in their recent games, I just have this to say...."fuck you bioware"....lol who am I kidding, Ill still buy their games later anyway lol |
Mar 2, 2012 10:17 PM
#144
The only thing I think is completely bullshit is how two copies of the exact same thing give you different amounts of DLC depending on where you preorder from. I personally work at Best Buy, so obviously I am going to buy the collectors edition from my place of work yet the exact same collectors edition will have an added armor set and two bonus weapons at gamestop. That is where they start to lose me. |
Mar 3, 2012 1:05 PM
#145
corbenic said: It's no worse than that ME1 trailer. Complaining that if focuses on action and war when war is the setting of the whole game, valid complaint there indeed. And hey, at least there's no dubstep in this trailer. What I don't understand is how this invasion on Earth takes such a long time that Shepard can take his time travelling around the galaxy gathering allies and undoubtedly doing many other things on the side as well. Apparently, Reapers are getting their asses kicked by the defenders of humanity Super Saiyans |
Mar 3, 2012 9:15 PM
#146
Defiance said: The only thing I think is completely bullshit is how two copies of the exact same thing give you different amounts of DLC depending on where you preorder from. I personally work at Best Buy, so obviously I am going to buy the collectors edition from my place of work yet the exact same collectors edition will have an added armor set and two bonus weapons at gamestop. That is where they start to lose me. Tried to preorder ME3 CE last week but realized its sold out, like, everywhere. Luckily was able to get an extra copy from Bestbuy that had ordered more than their preorder count. No bonuses though. |
Mar 3, 2012 11:41 PM
#147
Jrittmayer said: I wouldn't buy from Gamestop regardless. They are the fucking Darth Vader of the gaming retail, the ultimate product pushers. I can almost assure you Gamestop paid a shit load of money to EA to get those extra DLC on their version.Defiance said: The only thing I think is completely bullshit is how two copies of the exact same thing give you different amounts of DLC depending on where you preorder from. I personally work at Best Buy, so obviously I am going to buy the collectors edition from my place of work yet the exact same collectors edition will have an added armor set and two bonus weapons at gamestop. That is where they start to lose me. Tried to preorder ME3 CE last week but realized its sold out, like, everywhere. Luckily was able to get an extra copy from Bestbuy that had ordered more than their preorder count. No bonuses though. But yea, the collector's editions are mighty scarce now. |
Mar 3, 2012 11:46 PM
#148
soooo stoked |
Mar 4, 2012 2:04 AM
#149
lol Biowares forum is down, bioware has been banning everyone from their forums who said something bad about Mass effect 3, even the people who made constructive crticism towards the game. Bioware is filled with inmature kids, they cant accept any sort of criticism towards their work |
Mar 4, 2012 2:54 AM
#150
Saw an ME3 stream yesterday (with some of the worst streamers I've seen but I'll tell more about that later) I saw a few positive things but also some rather worrying details. For one, the level design seems to have improved, there was a chase sequence and one level was on a battlefield with seemingly wide open spaces. Even at its best, ME2 levels were somewhat claustrophobic and uneventful, you spent so much time fighting in crowded city structures and ships. Now, what worries me is that the dialog choice prompts have been significantly reduced, it doesn't even matter if the conversation takes place in a calm environment like Citadel. Deus Ex: HR this is definitely not. In fact they seem to have thrown out Neutral dialog options altogether. Bravo Bioware, force that false Renegade/Paragon dichotomy right in our faces. Now the stream.. wow. So these streamers were trying to be some kind of "gaming journalists" which is why they got their copy early, but all I could hear from the player was "Gaah, I'm so lost in this ship" and "That cutscene was sooooo long, let me get to the shooting!" That is the market you're trying to reach, Bioware? At some point your target group expansion is going to end and you'll have to cater to your established fanbase, and I'll be damned if I'm going to play an RPG which has been influenced by these kinds of people! However, the complaint about the long cutscenes is sort of ironic, because there were only maybe 2 prompts for player input during the whole meeting with the new council, I can understand if one gets bored. If you had given more choices to the player (who in that stream's case actually *WAS* an FPS player completely new to Mass Effect), maybe they would actually stay awake throughout the whole thing |
VegreaperMar 4, 2012 3:02 AM
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