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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- At the beginning of the chapter was a little boring because it had been centered on useless Yoshida, what gave me nostalgia was a part of Hecate, but the end was very interesting. Oh yeah, Yoshida now if it will be useful, it will do what many We had wanted in the second season seems to be sacrificed. |
| So, it's time to start the last volume of novel. Also, Yoshida'll activate Hiralda and |
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abaanda said: so she is going to help the flame hazes?? if yes then shes so retarded Nope. She will be useless like before. |
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| Hecate, my favorite character of this show, other than Shana. That was an inglorious end, I always thought that she would be one of the few that survived. I guess that the part the really caught my attention was Lemi's revelation that he wanted to speak to her again and this true ambition. Anyway, things are finally getting even more exciting. And now Yoshida is next, or will she survive? Can't wait for next week! |
| Beginning was pretty boring but the ending was freakin epic! I can't wait until next week! >:( |
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| Another horrible episode where I feel disgust for the Flame Hazes. Yoshida having doubts is understandable but Yuji has not really put alot of pressure on her or anything. I'd like to think he isnt forcing her to help him, it was her own choice sort of thing. All the Denizens heading towards the Star of Darkness was expected, after all it's a gateway to paradise for them to leave peacefully but then of course we get the Gods of the Earth who turn up to make things go sour. I facepalmed when the Watery one told them all to go back to the Crimson realm when she started slaughtering them, are they not leaving for another realm which will leave the Earth unharmed already? What difference does it make if you kill them or not? I really found myself asking that. The guy in the poncho was worse, he looked to be driven by nothing more than hate and the thrill of killing. This is not how a good guy is supposed to be portrayed, hell even an Anti-Hero is not quite so full of dark intentions. Shana had very few lines this episode but the few she had just made me think that she is essentially the new nun. I'm sure I heard the nun spouting crap like "We have to stop them because if we dont who will?" sort of stuff. I'm struggling very hard to sympathise with anyone other than Yuji as he is the one sacrificing everything to try and make everyone happy where we have the "good guys" who seem to be out to do nothing more than mindless slaughter. On a side note, Hecate disappearing for the Grand Order was a bit of a downer, she always was one of my favourite characters but at least she served her purpose instead of a cheap death like im sure some of the generals of Bal Masque are going to have to suffer in the next couple of episodes. |
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| Well, decent one, but still it was enjoyable. Next ep will be intensified, and I wonder what will Yoshida do seeing that she will use the item she got from Pheles. |
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| The 4 gods of the earth are really, really cool... /endsarcasm Why am I incapable of liking any of the new characters they brought out this season? |
| Great, another Yuji/Shana conversation-fight coming up. |
| Aside from the things i have mentioned before, since like others i really don't sympathize with the Flame Hazes, the thing that is bothering me is that assuming they will win which is a predictable cliche plot twist in stories like this how are they gonna at least make it resemble being "realistic" because while nothing about this show is "real" they should at least give reasonable explanation for their turnaround, as i don't see Shana outsmarting Yuji unless they pull total plot BS, because in all the seasons Shana was never the one creating plans, Yuji was so for her first "plan" to beat his seems like BS to me. The "Gods" really are unlikeable, for me its a split between the crying psycho and the poncho guy, i mean seriously... what about them says "good" when they are supposed "good guys" against the oh so "evil" Bal Masque. Last note is that Yoshida really is bothering me already, she needs to die (not gonna happen, but it really should) i mean her hesitation is fine and all, i would even say reasonable but its everything else that adds up... Ajunky said: Riptos said: The sad part is that her sacrifice will have been in vain when the Grand Order is stopped by the Flame Haze, which is the most likely event.On a side note, Hecate disappearing for the Grand Order was a bit of a downer, she always was one of my favourite characters but at least she served her purpose instead of a cheap death like im sure some of the generals of Bal Masque are going to have to suffer in the next couple of episodes. This, its the unfortunate ending that seems very likely, yet another reason why i want Yuji's side to win even though i can safely say that i doubt it will happen. Ajunky said: -FlameHaze- said: The Flame Haze are not fighting for a permanent fix, but simply to maintain the status quo. They care about the balance, not about good and evil.TsukiumiFanboy said: The flame haze are fighting because the world the denizens wish to create is only a temporary fix, in as much as 10, even a 100 or 1000, maybe even 10,000 years, the world they created will effect the real world, the flame haze are fighting for a permenant fix, not a temporary one.i really wish i could understand why the flame hazes are fighting it would make this more enjoyable but right now all i see are a bunch of people fighting just for the hell of it while the denizens are trying to fix the problem The Flame Haze's fighting reasons are arguable, but to say its for the status quo would be fairly accurate, the Denizens aren't fighting for temporary solutions anyway, the thing is that once they create Xanadu their supposed paradise and live there the link between the current world and Xanadu will be cut off so if the Denizens cause trouble in Xanadu the Flame Hazes couldn't interfere, but like you said it would take thousands of years and them even causing trouble isn't even guaranteed; so here is a question which i brought up last forum. What is better? 10,000 years of paradise and no wars, or an eternity of crap and an endless war which the Flame Hazes have no ending in sight for? granted that question seemed bias but that's more or less the scenario and why most here disagree with the Flame Hazes in general, its like Yuji said of Shana, they are tools in every way and form. |
InfiniteDestinyFeb 10, 2012 5:33 PM
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| Hecate didn't die, everyone just be quiet and leave me alone. *Covers ears* |
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| Still have a couple more episodes to see why the flame hazes are acting the way they are (even though they have given some reasons). They might seem ruthless but so were the denizens for the past two seasons and it's really only the very top that pushed for this paradise, the rest are just going along because it sounds like a good deal to them. |
| Lol people might be surprised by the true ending. I can't help but lol every time I read comments here and how off people are at predicting the end. Even though the OP song clearly spoiled about all the major events that will happen at the end, either explicitly or symbolically... Don't worry, Yuuji isn't letting us down :D |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| If there is anything this show knows how to do is leaving a cliffhanger that makes the 1 week wait as painful as possible. I LOVE THIS SHOW! wakka9ca said: I can't help but lol every time I read comments here and how off people are at predicting the end. You cant blame them, before the final novel came out no one knew how this was going to end, and needless to say it was a fairly interesting ending that I wasnt expecting but I wont spoil more than this. |
TsukiumiFanboy said: i really wish i could understand why the flame hazes are fighting it would make this more enjoyable but right now all i see are a bunch of people fighting just for the hell of it while the denizens are trying to fix the problem I know right i hate flame hazes with a passion. So closed minded and hate change they act like their gods. They all need to be annihilated including Shana. I hate all of a sudden she thinks she a boss but was dumb for the 1st 2 seasons. |
wakka9ca said: Lol people might be surprised by the true ending. I can't help but lol every time I read comments here and how off people are at predicting the end. Even though the OP song clearly spoiled about all the major events that will happen at the end, either explicitly or symbolically... Don't worry, Yuuji isn't letting us down :D yeah, i read the last novel, and i cant help but laugh at some of the predictions people are coming up with, then again, before i read it i was like that too xD. I like the ending, but i wonder if they will change certain aspects of it in this anime. Anyways, cant wait for next weeks episode. |
| arrrgh makeing me wait D: this anime is so evil , another week i cant function normal . love it tho :3 |
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| Nice episode, can't wait for next one :D |
| I don't understand why people can't see why the Flame haze are fighting, are we even watching the same show? Xanadu will be a copy of the real world down to the human that lives in it. It will not have flame haze because flame haze are created by lords of Guze that link themselve to humans and even though Yuji can create a copy of the world he cannot just recreate link from tomogara that live in Guze to these corresponding human copy. The tomogara won't have to eat human as there will be plenty of power of existence in the air but it is something in their nature and no matter for how long they will supress it someday they'll just do it again. Xanadu will be a closed space. It's like trapping psycho terrorist in a room with all the money and power they want but also a switch to destroy the world. They'll have fun for a while but then they'll press on the switch for fun. They could go at war at any moments and break the balance and nobody in Guze or the human world would be able to do anything about that, everyone would just die. The tomogara are barbaric and have been living eating off human for thousands of years. Because we have been shown a few intelligent tomogara that talk about subject such as peace and freedom the whole public have been antagonising Shana and her group, that's a little weak imo. Yuji's vision is a just a dream and could even be a base to work on a real plan but the way he is doing it and the huge risk he is taking is something very dangerous. Yuji and even the snake of the festival are good guys but are a bit too much optimist. Both group should totally talk it over but so far I beleive that Shana's group is the one doing the right thing. |
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| Wait, why wouldn't the Humans/Flame Hazes not be able to do anything if all hell started breaking lose 100, 1000, 10 000 years from now? They'll be just doing the exact same thing as they are doing now! But by then, humans probably will have Gundams to help shoot down those "terrorist" monsters. Damn, my logic wins. Pew, pew. |
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Kurogashi said: Wait, why wouldn't the Humans/Flame Hazes not be able to do anything if all hell started breaking lose 100, 1000, 10 000 years from now? They'll be just doing the exact same thing as they are doing now! But by then, humans probably will have Gundams to help shoot down those "terrorist" monsters. Damn, my logic wins. Pew, pew. Human can't fight against tomogara no matter what they do, a simple fuzetsu would get rid of any human trying to do something. Flame Haze won't exist in Xanadu and neither people from the real world nor Guze will be able to enter Xanadu. That also mean that everyone in Xanadu won't be able to leave it. Basically Xanadu will be a closed space that can still affect the three world. If the balance is endangered in Xanadu (which will someday for sure no matter how much time it takes) then nobody will be able to do anything. |
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| To everyone: Both sides are equally justified. Maddo_scientisto said: then nobody will be able to do anything. False. As you will see later. The Denizens' argument in this case are actually overall stronger than the Flame Haze. Of course, many hidden laws of the new world hasn't been revealed yet so you can't blame the FH Again, I won't discuss anything due to spoilers... Short summary: the new world is BETTER than this one because denizens are not longer DOOMED to consume humans. There is actually a NON-ZERO possibility of coexistence. Of course, who are going to reinforce that? Can't spoil too much right :P |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| i think there are some misconception here. flame haze are no defender of justice they are just keeper of the balance. And problem in Xanadu are bound to happen. Meh even adam and eve still cause problem eventhough they have everything in paradise and it only took 2 people and we got something like millions of tomogara. Problems are bound to happen. anyway , the Woman from the 4 gods annoy the hell out of me. Hope someone kill her. And did anyone notice yuji and shana are smilling when they met ? i wonder why. |
| great episode can't wait for the clash between Yuuj/Sairei no Hebii and Shana and more of the 4 gods wonder if they will drag out this war hopefully not! can't wait for next episode! |
| lol, this anime definitely likes it cliff hangers, cant w8 for the next ep |
| needs more development. i'm going to miss master throne T_T |
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| yeahh the 3 remaining of Four Gods of The Motherland showed their powers like a boss shooting stars; it's like a shower flame from the sky, yeah... stars morphing lake water into fishes and trap their enemies inside and BOOM they're gone summon some creepy creature that eat tomogaras, then duplicate for each tomogara eaten. so the next episode yoshida will use that giralda eh? honestly i don't want her to use that. WHYY?!?!?!?! |
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| The tomagara seem to be fighting for a REASON! To stop this ongoing cycle of war and remain in PEACE! But WTF Flame Haze! W T F! Why are you fighting. For REVENGE and HATRED that's what the four god's that just came in SAID! WTF Flame Haze are so EVIL...hate them so much |
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| Oh yeah this is getting epic, final fight has begun! Loved the way the battle is starting, can't freaking wait for the rest. The way the three Gods of the Motherland was introduced one by one in the fight was great, made it so intense. Looking forward to see what Chiara do too, really liking her character. Rooting for the Flame haze's side, dno whats up with all the hate on them. Just when I was wondering when Pheles was going to get involved and what she was planning, the preview shows Yoshida using her pendant. Looks like she's got her mind made up, wow. |
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pololaduchili said: Not to mention that in this new world, there will be no flame haze Ok, can't hold myself further without some clarifications. Again, that assumption is not really correct lol. Snake never said he denied the new world flame hazes... I feel J.C. Staff did a poor job explaining clearly Yuji's logic. This is how Snake/Yuji justifies the new world. The new world Xanadu is a STRICTLY better world than the current one, where tomogara no longer need to consume humans. This means: 1 - the current world is doomed because there can be NO compromise with the current situation (i.e. no diplomatic arrangement can be made between tomogara and flame haze because tomogara must consume human existence to survive) 2- a new world starts with a better standing compared to current one because now consuming humans is entirely OPTIONAL. There is possibility of diplomatic arrangements and creation of a system to prevent Tomogara from consuming humans. People misunderstood that the new world will be governed by tomogara that will do whatever they want. That's not true but I will not say anything more than this because it will be too obvious as spoiler. I think I kinda already spoiled people with this post... Also, the Snake is NOT EVIL. He does NOT DESIRE the destruction of the world. He only GRANT WISHES. To assume the Snake is trying to backstab Yuji is like saying your computer is trying to kill you (well someday it might... but you get the analogy: Snake is a PASSIVE entity) |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| Oh well, I will believe people here and try not to dig anything up out of curious for the better future :D So Yuji hasn't shown everything yet? This better be good or I am really disappointed. I am not a fan of Shana show but I am certainly really like this direction right now. |
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| Awesome episode. That's the 2nd one in a row. I'm finally enjoying this and getting my good old SnS vibes. How long will this last though? The first 16 episodes sucked so much, this season is nearly impossible to save. The evil flame haze are once again doing their thing. Hope the good guys (Tomogara) win. Finally Hecate's purpose was explained. Always wanted to know what she was all about in the previous 2 seasons. |
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| Finally know where Hecate is for, Yoshida will use that thing and summon that woman. Next episode some battles! |
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| I must say, Eastedge's entrance was epic. The music didn't hurt, either. Incoming Pheles is great too, always wanted to see more of her. A great episode! |
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| Farewell Mamiko Noto. *sniffles* Once again Yoshida exemplifies knowledge beyond anyone else in the anime. I can't wait to see what actions she takes. |
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| Can somebody post here Eastedge's chant? I'm watching in Russian, but I need the English version too. |
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