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Poll: Shakugan no Shana III (Final) Episode 15 Discussion

Jan 28, 2012 6:12 PM
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cardin said:
Serabukai said:
Psh, all the flame hazes are so weak willed. Literally almost everybody but the main characters with the exception of Francois all ran in circles and died. I'm suprised none of the non main character Flame Haze knew how to fly, cast unrestricted spells, and do so awesome wide range damaga. They were all contracted to gods weren't they?

Not really. There's 3 types of denizens: Normal, Lords and Gods. Gods can bend reality which is what the Snake probably plans to do. There's only 3 of them in the show so everyone else is lord-class or below.

Strange thing is, why can the Snake exist in the world but Alastor can't? It seems odd that the Flame Hazes are crutched by having their lords all sealed on in a vessel, can't the lords do anything?
Alastor can actually how up if he really had to since Shana proved herself strong enough to handle Alastor's power without dying but the Flame Hazes limit themselves to just channelling their Crimzon Denizen's power due to the amount of power of existence they'd need to use otherwise. Let's just say it like this, the Crimzom Denizens from Bal Masque have no qualms of just killing human' existence, on the other hands Flame Hazes don't have that option. For example, the Flame Hazes that "died" their Denizen partners didn't die, they just returned to their homseworld. When a Bal Masque member dies, they die, they don't just teleport back to their homeworld. This is actually the reason why Shana and the other God that fought Sidonay are actually not as strong as a full-powered Snake of the Festival. Alastor, fully manifested, could probably take out the Snake himself seeing as he's the God of Destruction but he's not gonna risk it.

In essence, in this war you could argue one side is fighting no holds-barred and the other is fighting with a hand tied behind their back.

Jan 30, 2012 3:20 AM

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why no OP and ED video this time -__- but the ED song is from kawada mami too. it should be awesome but the character voice didn't end so it's hard to hear it. *sigh*
Feb 12, 2012 7:31 AM

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Season 3 is like a completely other anime, I'm missing the old stuff.
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Feb 13, 2012 4:01 AM

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Sad to see the bridgebuilder die. He was one of the only flame hazes that I was liking.
Feb 15, 2012 3:32 AM

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Now the Flame Haze army have their first two big-name casualties. Strong ones, too. It's a shame that the episode Centerhill got to show off his abilities was also the episode that he died.

The other was the commander Samuel. Well, at least he died with a bang, taking out a big bunch of enemy grunts with him, using the tower that he was maintaining that collapsed with his death. Good retreat plan. Had it failed, the rest of the army might as well have been annihilated then and there with the exception of the strongest handful of them.

It's good to see Margery back in fighting form for the action. J.C. Staff must be pulling out the stops for the Final season by continuing the animation even while the credits were rolling for this and the other episodes.
Feb 17, 2012 8:49 PM

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Was that girl giving that guy a bj in the beginning?
Mar 20, 2012 10:38 PM

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Man re-watching this was such a great idea. I'm enjoying it a lot more compared to when I was watching it ongoing. xD

Sydoney still staying strong after vsing everyone at once, what a boss. =p
Apr 25, 2012 4:48 AM
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I must have missed something in this season or forgotten something from previous seasons but I don't get that, why do they want to stop creation of another world?
I can't stop feeling that flame hazes just wants to fight while they don't have to. It seems like all that huge scale war was pointless massacre because Yuuji and his god mate simply want to build separated home world for each species so they don't ever need to fight each other again while Flame hazes just want to keep things as they are, where humans get eaten everyday and flame hazes can come and do hero like actions by getting rid of those who were hungry. Ofc there's possibility of things going wrong but damn i find myself cheering on Yuuji side while all important characters in story seems to be opposed the idea.
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Jun 22, 2012 4:46 PM

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So the gods of the motherlands finally decide to help out. Damn Centerhill is pretty strong. Can't wait to see the other 3 gods of the motherlands.

And yes Margery FINALLY makes her triumphant return. I am so glad she is back in the game.

I take it that other guy that sweeped shana and wilhemina flying by was another god of the motherland flame haze. That is just my guess. Anyways an ok episode. Does anyone else think that the the gods of the motherland think they are like the shit, they act so arrogant like they own the damn world, at least that center hill does. Why they did not even lend a hand during the war is beyond me.
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Aug 13, 2012 6:01 PM

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This is such a good season!

This ep was rather boring though.
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Apr 11, 2013 3:39 PM

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Damn that was heartwarming scene for Samuel.
Oct 28, 2013 7:12 AM

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It's madness to create a new innocent world?

Where is the reason we are suppose to be rooting on the flame hazes, I know from the past Trinity is not good, but what has led us to believe Yuji is not.

I say make Xanadu and if something bad happens, stop it then.
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Dec 6, 2013 8:21 AM
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Every show of every season has a terrible episode or three. This is one of those episodes. Nothing really happened in this episode and we didn't even have that much screen time of either Yuji or Shana.

There's only so much I can care about characters that are randomly introduced a few episodes over characters I've known for over 2 seasons. But seeing Margery and Sydonay in action again was a plus.
Jan 7, 2014 6:59 PM

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If creating the other world is harmless and why the fuck do they not just let them do it!
Apr 7, 2014 4:35 PM

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That god guy was pretty cool in the end. Too bad he served as a sacrifice :/
Same for Samuel.

Their plan was pretty clever, to create two lures. But they had to sacrifice two of the best Flame Hazes, they only gained time...

The fighting was pretty cool. Centerhill was fighting so carelessly xD

Sydonay is such a beautiful motherfucker. I'll be sad when he'll die :(

Old nun should have been the sacrifice >:(
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Jun 17, 2014 10:42 AM

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The Death Scenes are well done.
Sep 2, 2014 6:10 AM

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CenterHill and Samuel is gone...
so it continues...
Sep 29, 2014 2:11 PM

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Great episode and the deaths were very heartfelt. I know we haven't known the characters for long but the scenes still had an emotional impact, time to regroup, recoup, and fight on!
Oct 25, 2014 4:15 AM

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CenterHill, one of the hyped up Four Gods, got pawned? Okaaay. I'd like to see the other three Gods now.
Nov 30, 2014 6:12 PM
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I'll never understand the "power levels" of people in this series

one second this "god" is teleporting around 1 shotting people, the next hes losing to Sydonay, who was able to take on a bunch of strong flame hazes at the same time including shana, who in turn was able to actually inflict damage on yuji? (after getting casually destroyed by him at the beginning of the season all while he was fending off multiple other flame hazes)

in any event this whole war was kind of retarded, as soon as the trinity got back why didn't they join in? They let all the flame hazes that came out with them start killing off people while they just started chilling. Except for Sydonay of course who comes after letting them get the upper hand to start running away.

Lucky for them sabrac wanted to die or he would have soloed the entire army himself.
Mar 28, 2015 1:40 AM

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Don't know what's wrong with everyone else. The other seasons were so slow-paced most of the time and boring. I really like that this series has drifted anyway from the slice of life/school elements. The thing i'm not liking is Kasumi getting left behind, since she had been so important up to this season. I guess I just like action series more than slice of life series, so this season has been great.
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Nov 27, 2016 2:56 PM
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Do not really like this season that much, but art is godly sometimes
Jun 15, 2017 2:55 PM

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Goodbye Center Hill, we won't forget your sacrifice.
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Dec 1, 2017 5:15 AM

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What is so wrong with Yuki's/Snake plan by having Denizens going to a world where it's ran by power of existence. This way humans will no longer be sacrificial pawns in this war. Flame Haze's wanting to continue comes to not much surprise. I remember how they acted like they could care less about humans. Who's really the good guys here? It's so headache inducing because I'm supposed be siding with these Flame Hazes. Yet I can't find a reason to side with them at all. I get that their reason for living as Flame Haze's is to fight. Okay? So you'll continue waging war instead of just living a peaceful life. Unless this Snake person has something evil hidden behind it, I don't see a reason to oppose. Even the Four Gods stated how it was harmless. But then Wilhelmina brings up the possibility that they may act up sometime down the future. What the hell? That's what makes you continue this fight. There's no saying whether or not this would reoccur. If it does then you just fight them. Simple as that. This way you can continue to live just in-case they act up again. Flame Haze's at this point are just being selfish. Shana has regressed unfortunately but it's whatever. To be honest I'm just continuing to watch just because I've made it 3 seasons in at this point.
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