Armiga21 said: America really needs to give up these kinds of shows, since they never work. Censorship killed the first series something fierce, to the point you can't kill people on screen in a fighting series? God, imagine if Death Note couldn't kill anyone, or Cowboy Bebop? They should stick to comedy shows like Spongebob which don't require more mature writing than they can get away with on a kid's channel. So you're telling me that this show didn't head into dark territory? That just because there weren't any on screen deaths, it didn't have an obviously darker side to it? There was some pretty damn dark stuff, and it's not like there were no deaths throughout the series, it's often noted that characters died |
Armiga21 said: No more darker side than Spongebob or any other Nickelodoen cartoon does. Haha, okay. I'm pulling out of this debate because it's completely obvious now that you're a complete and utter troll. Ya blew you're not very good cover. |
Now I see. Dictionaries define anime as a style because it is clear to any reader that anime has no distinguishing style that could be reproduced outside of Japan. At the same time, it is clear that Avatar does not have the non-existent style of Anime. Anything animated show produced in Japan automatically get the tag of anime. Beyond that there's no definitive style anime has that can be replicated unlike the physical goods you noted. Stitch! is an anime while Lilo and Stitch:The Series is not. If we only had your definitions to go by then neither would be anime because anime "style" is absent. However if you read the definitions to mean animated goods from Japan then we are back to the point that country of origin is the determining factor. Right, because dictionary editors prefer ambiguous definitions. It fits your vague attempt to argue anime style without any examples. I will say there are common motifs, themes, art styles, and other things that can be found in various anime but none of those are necessary for an anime to be considered anime. All that matters for English speaking countries is that Japanese animation = anime, anything that is not Japanese animation is not anime. |
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| I am excited for Legend of Korra, but a few things bother me. One, why bother ending the first series on a cliffhanger? Not a major one sure, but having Zuko demand to know where his mom is with a fierce intensity and then to never answer that question is just obnoxious. Even some kind of movie or whatever, giving the GAang one last adventure would have been a better ending. Two, how did they suddenly get this magical steampunk metropolis? Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann got away with randomly building a city in no time at all because Gurren Lagann is ridiculous. They never even tried to hide how ridiculous they were. Avatar has never been this ridiculous, so how did this sudden burst of technology happen? It bothers me. Not enough that I can't suspend belief and watch it anyway but agh. D: Why not just stick to the old setting, while slowly introducing the changes as they're happening? Suddenly putting them in what looks like Manhatten is just a tad jarring. These two things worry me but, I'm still excited and I'll still watch it. Just...eh. I don't know. We'll see. |
Winter said: Two, how did they suddenly get this magical steampunk metropolis? A lot of technological advancement can be made in just 70 years. Especially after a 100 year long war ended. |
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verdstein said: Anime_Name said: ...many words... All that matters for English speaking countries is that Japanese animation = anime, anything that is not Japanese animation is not anime. OK OK! Now go write your own dictionary so that people other than us anime freaks will know the truth. And please enjoy your cookie. o_O That's not my definition. It is how the term 'anime' has come into use in America and other English speaking countries. Those definitions were sufficient enough to describe what anime is and where it comes from. It's only the people that want to reject how the term is used for English speakers and try to weasel around the importance that country of origin plays in the phrase "Japanese style." |
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Winter said: One, why bother ending the first series on a cliffhanger? Not a major one sure, but having Zuko demand to know where his mom is with a fierce intensity and then to never answer that question is just obnoxious. Even some kind of movie or whatever, giving the GAang one last adventure would have been a better ending. Which is why I question the people who say "rare US show which reached it's ending". I suppose technically, but a lot of unresolved and it was pretty poorly handled. One can throw together a half-assed finale quite easily, as Danny Phantom showed us given Butch Hartman only knew the series was cancelled one episode before the last one. Two, how did they suddenly get this magical steampunk metropolis? Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann got away with randomly building a city in no time at all because Gurren Lagann is ridiculous. They never even tried to hide how ridiculous they were. Avatar has never been this ridiculous, so how did this sudden burst of technology happen? It bothers me. Not enough that I can't suspend belief and watch it anyway but agh. D: Why not just stick to the old setting, while slowly introducing the changes as they're happening? Suddenly putting them in what looks like Manhatten is just a tad jarring. I must wonder if that's Nickelodoen's influence. I mean "Republic City" sounds like some cheesy superhero local. Combined with the more American 20s or whatever looking setting, I have to wonder if Nickelodeon made them tone down the 'Asian-ness' of the first series. The original Avatar series wasn't that popular, and got mediocre ratings, perhaps they attribute it to the Asian-ness and are trying to make it more western in this version in hopes of wider appeal. Though given how inaccurate the Asian influence of the first series was presented, I wouldn't say that's too bad of a thing.. better to not try than try and make a fool of one's self, after all. Or whatever that saying is. |
TitanXLJan 18, 2012 12:49 PM
SergioSource said: Seriously, another battle of opinions? Hope you keyboard warriors don't shed much blood -.- Its been going on for awhile. I already gave up and there still going. And i made the question lol |
nezumisora said: really really excited ! i was so sad when avatar ended but now, the empty hole in my heart will be filled again~ KOOORRRAAAAAAAAAAA. I feel the same. Finally someone gets me lol |
| Really looking forward to it |
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| Totally excited about it. Can't wait. Avatar the Last Airbender was the best Nick show in the past 10 years. Their premise for the new series is very very intriguing. |
| It's out. You all know that right? Well, you can watch it online, anyways. |
| I thought it wasn't bad. I like the new Avatar; her personality is the opposite of Aang, but she's fun and won't just stand by and watch. Though she's reckless and a bit ignorant. She'll learn. It's sad to know that other than Katara, all of the previous cast have passed away. But I'm enjoying the new characters so far. The episode did feel a bit rushed, but I believe it's because they only have like 24-26 episodes planned for Legend of Korra? The only thing I disliked about it was the rushed feel and the setting. I'm not sure why, but all the more "modern" aspects and all the buildings bother me. I think it's because I'm used to the real "fantasy" feeling that Airbender gave off. A shame, but I think it will be interesting. It seems like any battles (like the one Korra started) that take place will cause lots of damage and problems. A few questions: Did Toph kept her last name? And why did the daughter take Toph's (maiden) name? Whatever happened to Zuko's child(ren), as well as Sokka's? How did it become so modern in just 70 years? (From the previous setting, I mean...) (correct me if I'm wrong on the 70) I'm looking forward quite a bit to see the new cast, because the previous cast was great so I'm expecting a lot from the new characters as well. (We need a Zuko!) |
MirorinMar 18, 2012 6:11 PM
| HOLY SHIT IT STARTED!? AFL:HASDFLKJASDGHLKAJSDGLASKJFGA:SKLJFGAS WHY AM I ALWAYS LATE TO THE PARTY MUST WATCH NOW |
| ._. total blue balls right now |
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 Lin is going to be an awesome character. I assume Toph kept her name because the Bei Fongs are such a well-regarded family. 70 years is a long time, and it's plenty to advance to the 1920s era that Republic City is currently at now. The rest of the world will certainly not be like that, as shown at least with the North/South pole. Remember that the fire nation 70 years before was pretty advanced technologically, as seen with its warships. Once the nations became one, the knowledge shared between all nations and benders is more than enough to get them to where they are at now. It also helps that a lot of people know how to metalbend now for construction purposes. I'm sure we'll see Zuko and Sokka's possible children at some point. (: Personally the episode didn't feel too rushed to me. It is the first half of an hour-long premiere, and since this is a sequel the producers can assume that a large percentage of viewers are already familiar with the Avatar world and decided to jump right into the main story. |
| (◕ᴥ◕し) Hello! Did you know? Barnacles have the largest penis to body size ratio of the animal kingdom. |
| Just finished watching it, man the creators are god level trolls. Overall I'm looking forward to this series and can't wait to see the rest of it. |
| Anyone else wanna smack that kid when Anyways, there's a lot of classic Avatar humor flying around here. The one grandson with his chewing on Tenzin's head and the "Unhand me strange woman!", along with sparkly bush man. While it was very different, it still had an Avatar feel to it, I liked it. Korra is pretty cool too, it's just sad seeing that so many characters died... |
| awesome but it is not anime, is it? |
alphal00t said: awesome but it is not anime, is it? Country of origin United States So no, it`s not an anime, and Avatar will never be classified as an anime. |
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| It was good, but some parts were kinda cheesy. I'll keep my eye out for this one. |
Kipcha said: This!Three words. Cannot. Freaking. Wait. I love the Avatar series and I'm hoping this series will be as good as the original. |
| My apologies, children, for I am afraid I cannot save you all. |
| Just watched the leaked episode and can say it was funny and interesting but I'm not a big fan of change and 70 years later is a big change for me and I just miss the old charas :< Almost all of them sohuld be dead T.T Just sad T.T But at least it doesn't seem to be a bad spin off so that's good <: |
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Salinga said: Lin is going to be an awesome character. I assume Toph kept her name because the Bei Fongs are such a well-regarded family. 70 years is a long time, and it's plenty to advance to the 1920s era that Republic City is currently at now. The rest of the world will certainly not be like that, as shown at least with the North/South pole. Remember that the fire nation 70 years before was pretty advanced technologically, as seen with its warships. Once the nations became one, the knowledge shared between all nations and benders is more than enough to get them to where they are at now. It also helps that a lot of people know how to metalbend now for construction purposes. I'm sure we'll see Zuko and Sokka's possible children at some point. (: Personally the episode didn't feel too rushed to me. It is the first half of an hour-long premiere, and since this is a sequel the producers can assume that a large percentage of viewers are already familiar with the Avatar world and decided to jump right into the main story. Alright. I don't mind the rushed feeling I got. Didn't affect me too much, it was just that I did notice it. I'm think I'm just nitpicking because I'm forgetting it's a 24-ish episode series this time. But I mean, 70 years to build parks, telephone wires and a few other things. It's fine, though I do personally prefer the "fantasy" feel. Hehe, I thought that too about Toph's daughter. And it would ruin the fun if she took the father's name, if the producers ever decide to reveal him. :D I don't really consider Avatar an "anime". I feel it's more of a cartoon with anime aspects and Asian influence. Well, if MAL ever decides to list it on here (I doubt it), then I will accept it as an anime. |
| @Armiga21 no one cares if you dont like it you didnt even like the first season so why are u commenting here alot of ppl love Avatar and you complaining about it won't change anyones opinion as for art as you say its very forgettable its the best art i've seen in a western cartoon |
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| @Armiga21 Why did you even bother watching it, when you clearly didnt like the first one? The chances of the sequel/spinoff matching the original let alone being better is slim, so how did you think you were going to change your mind? Also the way your trying to make it sound as if western cartoons are inferior is making you look like a weeaboo. |
| Armiga21, enough. You made your point more than clear in terms of how American-americation has never appealed to your tastes in entertainment the way Japanese animation has. We can literally google your username and "American animation/cartoons" to find threads that have restated your very thoughts on the topic if any of us felt like it. I'm not against disagreement or constructive criticism towards any part of American animation. The problem is the way you express your opinions have nothing to provide other than a means to provoke people and make the same arguments based on this topic that ultimately lead to nowhere, the same way every other topic like this on the internet has lead to. |
HypeathonMar 19, 2012 8:22 PM
| I watched the 1st episode and it was as good as I hoped it would be, and it definetly had the same feel as the old series. With the series only been I think like 24 eps I can see why they skipped her other elemnts trainning except wind. Hopefully we might get a flash back of her trainning at some point. Now waiting in anticipation for the next episode. |
Armiga21 said: I did what I do with all anime: watch an episode and judge it and gave my thoughts. Judging an anime by watching only 1 episode... Awesome review plan |
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