| @baman we massacre people in games to win the fucking game, of cos we are just immature or fucking around. we arent talking about looking at young girls to win at life or to leave child porn on your roommates desktop wallpaper If i looked at gay porn every day and jacked off over it, and then told you i was straight as an arrow... what would you say Baman? you would call me a lying faggot |
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| People who like kids are not disgusting, so are those who like cute arts People who fail to self-regulate and behave like perverts are, and those who do the same with little kids. It happens more often in anon chat boards. |
| @Pocketasces You are out of your depth against Baman, let me tell you. Then again, I'd argue better than you even if I was restricted to punching the keyboard to type. |
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Pocketasces said: n attraction But i think most people that enjoy rape in porn would probably enjoy it in real life. i dont look at any porn that i wouldnt want to be involved in IRL, do you? That's the most stupid thing i ever heard. Most women have sexual fantasies and dreams about being raped, does that mean they actually want to get raped? I think not. I like to watch all kind of hentai. I even watch tentacle hentai. Do you think i want to see real monsters having extreme sex with people in real life? I'll fucking need 2 years psychotherapy if i saw that happen in reality. Almost all males have seen double penetration porn. Does that mean all men want their girlfriend to be simultaneously fucked by them and another guy? Personally i will even be creeped out by the possibility of my balls even touching the other guy's if anything else, but hell i don't give a shit seeing it in porn, i would still fap away. So i think your opinion is stupid and without much thinking. |
| @gogetters its frustrating that you dont understand the difference between actions and attractions i said people can enjoy porn without raping, and you said "thats exactly what i said" but it is absolutely not what you said. you caid they can enjoy rape porn without enjoying rape IRL. which is bullshit wanting to rape is different from raping. even rape perverts have morals. ify ou dont understand now, i am never getting through to you i guess about that difference. also, you are jusut plain wrong about 2d and 3d, if you enjoy 2d gay sex, you are still gay, and enjoy it 3d. if you enjoy 2d kiddies you enjoy 3d kiddies. if you are sexually attracted to a drawn picture, there is a sliding scale of quality until it becomes a photo. if you claim to like 2d kiddies, and the drawing is almost photo-like, is that still ok? what about a photo rendered to look like a drawing? if you are going to reply please atleast answer these questions otherwise i wont bother with this argument anymroe thx |
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| @ everyone i thought it was obvious when i said enjoy rape i didnt mean waiting in an alley to be beaten and violently raped. i meant they would enjoy it the same as it is in the porno.. controlled circumstance roleplay |
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Pocketasces said: @ everyone i thought it was obvious when i said enjoy rape i didnt mean waiting in an alley to be beaten and violently raped. i meant they would enjoy it the same as it is in the porno.. controlled circumstance roleplay Well that can't happen in real rape though. Real rape is more of bad drama when it actually happens in reality so basically your where full of shit when saying that there is a correlation. Personally i find your opinion insulting because i will never want to actually violate a woman by force and despite that i have no problem admitting watching rape manga or hentai because i think classifying me as a person who actually wants to rape women is ridiculous. Only the thought of the fear on a woman's face in such a real situation makes me feel extremely disgusted. So by no means do i actually want to rape anyone since rapist actually enjoy that pain they inflict on their victims. Now would i will be up to playing a rape sex game with my girlfriend is she likes it too? Yeah sure why not, but that isn't rape is it? It's as pretentious as the hentai scene so all we really have is a fetish for theater and not anything real. The coloration with killing in games was actually a good one. people don't play shooter games just to see the win in the end while they hate the killing in them. If that was really how it is they would pick some other game that simply rewards at the end and has no killings. We enjoy blowing all those enemy guys to pieces. We even enjoy playing war as kids and shooting each other with our plastic guns. Hell we enjoy it as grown-ups too but we are too ashamed to play war games in the backyard in our age. Do we really wanna be part in a real war and kill people? HELL NO! So in the end what are you talking about? You simply just realized that your correlation isn't working and now you are trying to patch it up. |
MonadJan 11, 2012 5:57 PM
Pocketasces said: I understand the difference between them.@gogetters its frustrating that you dont understand the difference between actions and attractions i said people can enjoy porn without raping, and you said "thats exactly what i said" but it is absolutely not what you said. you caid they can enjoy rape porn without enjoying rape IRL. No, I said a person can enjoy one without enjoying the other, or in other words; A person can like rape in their porn without liking or committing actual rape.also, you are jusut plain wrong about 2d and 3d, if you enjoy 2d gay sex, you are still gay, and enjoy it 3d. if you enjoy 2d kiddies you enjoy 3d kiddies. I'll say it again... You are stupid.if you are sexually attracted to a drawn picture, there is a sliding scale of quality until it becomes a photo. if you claim to like 2d kiddies, and the drawing is almost photo-like, is that still ok? what about a photo rendered to look like a drawing? A drawing and the characters they depict can never become real, so there is no sliding scale of quality. A photo rendered to look like a drawing still has an actual person in it. |
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| i guess i just dont understand you guys. i couldnt imagine enjoying something in porn that i wouldnt enjoy in real life.. i dont see the point to it if i cant put myself in that position.. then again ive never really understood hentai either.. i guess i am just way too normal.. i took these ideas from 2 key ideas that i believed to be solid. please if someone can give me a good final answer to this, i will be happy to accept that the high number of sexual deviants on this forum both as stated before: 1. the difference between lolicon 2D and 3D - if you are sexually attracted to a drawn picture, there is a sliding scale of quality until it becomes a photo. if you claim to like 2d kiddies, and the drawing is almost photo-like, are you still sexually attracted? what about a photo rendered to look like a drawing? 2. If i enjoy gay porn, can i claim to be straight?. according to your theories that you can look at whatever you want and enjoy it without enjoying it in real life, i can do this, and i am not gay IRL. thanks in advance, i will be happy to learn from your answers |
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FatherAnderson said: I personally think it's disgusting. I find the thought of someone molesting a child (and yes it is molestation even if she/he says yes) disturbing as I work with children daily and I have seen the after effects of such crimes. I agree but before we have debates over such topics we first have to establish the exist: What is a lolicon? Someone who likes 2D lolis only? Someone who likes lolis in general but simply likes their cuteness and not sexually? Or someone that wants to fuck little children? Basically a pedophile. After that we have to establish what is a pedophile. Is someone that finds a 16-15 year old hot a pedophile? According to law, yes. According to biology and psychology, no(well except if the 16 year old looks quite younger than her age). After that we have to also make the correlation of a rapist and a pedophile. Does being a pedophile means you will act on it? I think conceptual excuses when is about little children are over the board. No child can be conceptual so the fact is if you can hold back. Are pedophiles able to hold back or are they all acting upon their urges? |
MonadJan 11, 2012 6:24 PM
Monad said: I agree but before we have debates over such topics we first have to establish the exist: What is a lolicon? Someone who likes 2D lolis only? Some who likes lolis in general but simply likes their cuteness and not sexually. Or someone that wants to fuck little children? Basically a pedophile. After that we have to establish what is a pedophile. Is someone that finds a 16-15 year old hot a pedophile? According to law, yes. According to biology and psychology, no(well except if the 16 year old looks quite younger than her age). After that we have to also make the correlation of a rapist and a pedophile. Does being a pedophile mans you will act on it? I think conceptual excuses when is about little children are over the board. No child can be conceptual so the fact is if you can hold back. Are pedophiles able to hold back or are they all acting upon their urges? Lolita-complex used to be only associated with pedophilia in it's strictest sense. But now a person with Lolita-complex is someone whose attraction to children goes beyond parental affection be it sexual or not, 3D or 2D. It is usually just thrown under the broad banner of pedophilia. But you are NOT a pedophile if you think children are cute. Under law and medicine pedophilia means you have a sexual interest in children. Sure, I would have no problem with the lesser end of Lolita-complex as humans are wired to believe that children are cute and need protection. Yes, this topic started at that end but it definitely did not end up there. I am not going to play fake psychiatrist and go off on the whole urge topic as I am not very knowledgeable in that subject. I am only stating my personal opinions and the facts in my posts and if I don't know enough about the subject then I'm not going to say anything about it. |
FatherAndersonJan 11, 2012 6:27 PM
Pocketasces said: 1. the difference between lolicon 2D and 3D - if you are sexually attracted to a drawn picture, there is a sliding scale of quality until it becomes a photo. if you claim to like 2d kiddies, and the drawing is almost photo-like, are you still sexually attracted? what about a photo rendered to look like a drawing? 2. If i enjoy gay porn, can i claim to be straight?. according to your theories that you can look at whatever you want and enjoy it without enjoying it in real life, i can do this, and i am not gay IRL. thanks in advance, i will be happy to learn from your answers 1)Can't speak much about 2D and 3d lolis since my preferred girls even in 2D aren't much in the loli category but i have seen loli doujins and i didn't give much of a shit while if i saw pictures of a 8-10 year old being fucked in 3D i would be shocked as hell so i guess that kind of proves that there must be a difference. Speaking about photo-realism if i compare it to some hentai staff i like watching in 2D like tentacles and staff and i have to say that yes, the more realistic something looks the more i want to keep away from it. I prefer it to stay clearly in clear 2D, it just doesn't seem nice going 3D. On the other hand this isn't exactly the same as lolis and children since even if you like it in 3D is still far away from reality so i don't know. 2) I never liked yaoi but some guys that claim to be straight say they enjoy it so i can't answer that. But hey i will still prefer to see yaoi than a gay porn movie if i had to see one of them, so that again shows that 2D makes everything look a little different. |
MonadJan 11, 2012 6:26 PM
Pocketasces said: i guess i just dont understand you guys. i couldnt imagine enjoying something in porn that i wouldnt enjoy in real life.. i dont see the point to it if i cant put myself in that position.. then again ive never really understood hentai either.. i guess i am just way too normal.. i took these ideas from 2 key ideas that i believed to be solid. please if someone can give me a good final answer to this, i will be happy to accept that the high number of sexual deviants on this forum both as stated before: 1. the difference between lolicon 2D and 3D - if you are sexually attracted to a drawn picture, there is a sliding scale of quality until it becomes a photo. if you claim to like 2d kiddies, and the drawing is almost photo-like, are you still sexually attracted? what about a photo rendered to look like a drawing? 2. If i enjoy gay porn, can i claim to be straight?. according to your theories that you can look at whatever you want and enjoy it without enjoying it in real life, i can do this, and i am not gay IRL. thanks in advance, i will be happy to learn from your answers No, there is no sliding scale. Anime loli's aren't merely drawings of children, they are anime characters, they don't look like real people do. I mean, are you saying if you tweaked the body parts of the anime loli gradually so it became more and more like a real child? If so, I imagine at some point it would simply look malformed, and then it would look like a child. Most people would stop fapping when it looked like a monster. However, if you just drew an accurate picture of a child, then I imagine most people would stay away. 2) You're using an example that agrees with you, and then extrapolating it to cover everything. That's an incorrect way to try and prove a point. For example, using a different example, what's important on the rape front is that the girls in anime have no feelings, they aren't feeling violated because they aren't real (they also react differently to the rape etc.), but with real people, they will feel violated, and it'd be horrible to watch. What you've got to have in mind is that people who make the rape hentai want to make it attractive and sexy to the viewer etc., but in real life, it's not "staged", it's a gruesome, horrifying thing to happen. Therefore, people can enjoy the hentai, which involves rape, and 1) Not feel bad due to the fact it's victim-less and 2) Enjoy scenes that were designed and made to be enjoyed. No, it's not that you are way too normal, I don't like rape etc. but I can still understand the fact there is a difference. If there was an anime scene of a realistic rape, and someone fapped to that, then that'd be a different matter. |
InfiniteJan 11, 2012 6:22 PM
| using my example to prove a point is no different from you using yours, except i h ave infinate examples, and you dont have many. if i like asian porn i likek asians, if i like ladyboy porn i like ladyboys. i can go on.. anyway im talking to the people that said its ok to masturbate over a drawing as long as it doesnt have a real girl in it, because there is no 'victim' http://vkontakte.ru/photo3973413_191160873 if you can masturbate over this, you can masturbate over a photo. thats the difference between 2D and 3D, sliding scale was a bad way to put it, but where do you draw the line?? are you offended if you open up a pic and its a bit too life like? and my gay example is not for yaoi its for real porn. @fatheranderson, this is what i thought lolicon was.. i agree with you. who cares if you find children cute? if my mum has a baby girl and i think shes cute i am siscon? rofl |
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Pocketasces said: i guess i am just way too normal retarded.. i took these ideas from 2 key ideas that i believed to be solid. please if someone can give me a good final answer to this, i will be happy to accept that the high number of sexual deviants on this forum both as stated before: 1. the difference between lolicon 2D and 3D - if you are sexually attracted to a drawn picture, there is a sliding scale of quality until it becomes a photo. if you claim to like 2d kiddies, and the drawing is almost photo-like, are you still sexually attracted? what about a photo rendered to look like a drawing? 2. If i enjoy gay porn, can i claim to be straight?. according to your theories that you can look at whatever you want and enjoy it without enjoying it in real life, i can do this, and i am not gay IRL. thanks in advance, i will be happy to learn from your answers 1. 3D can never match 2D http://vkontakte.ru/photo3973413_191160873 if you can masturbate over this, you can masturbate over a photo. The fuck? That's nothing like a loli Also lolis don't have to be underage you know...  2. If you like 3D gay porn then yes ur gay if my mum has a baby girl and i think shes cute i am siscon? rofl Thinking she's cute doesn't make you a siscon idiot If you dote on every little thing she does, and want to keep her to yourself instead of letting her choose her bfs etc then you're a siscon |
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Pocketasces said: using my example to prove a point is no different from you using yours, except i h ave infinate examples, and you dont have many. if i like asian porn i likek asians, if i like ladyboy porn i like ladyboys. i can go on.. anyway im talking to the people that said its ok to masturbate over a drawing as long as it doesnt have a real girl in it, because there is no 'victim' http://vkontakte.ru/photo3973413_191160873 if you can masturbate over this, you can masturbate over a photo. thats the difference between 2D and 3D, sliding scale was a bad way to put it, but where do you draw the line?? are you offended if you open up a pic and its a bit too life like? and my gay example is not for yaoi its for real porn. @fatheranderson, this is what i thought lolicon was.. i agree with you. who cares if you find children cute? if my mum has a baby girl and i think shes cute i am siscon? rofl They key difference still lies in the fact that linked picture isn't real. Knowing that I'm sure someone out there could probably masterbate to it, if it is a real photo though, it does not make sense to assume anyone who likes lolicon, would lose site of it being a real person. The porn examples are flawed. I'll agree I would not watch two males in a homosexual porn, however consider this...when you watch man/woman porn, or even 2 men/woman or whatever combination you desire, you're still watching another man have sex. You are taking in a naked man regardless. Does this mean you like naked men? Course not, no more than rape porn means you would like to see an actual rape or engage in one, or watching "fake" incest porn means you want to commit acts of incest, or wathcing double penetration means you want to get another guy to have sex with your gf or looking at a loli means you want to see children in real life naked or engage in sexual acts with them. You have infinite examples, but you're still using things that exist in real life, aka real people, and comparing to something that does not, aka anime characters. Unless someone can not distinguish between what is real and what is not, I don't see any correlation between liking loli's and liking real children. We digest all sorts of things on a daily basis, that we wouldn't like in real life after all...it's called the entertainment industry. |
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| There's no real need to confess here. No body is interested in your private sexual fantasies. And there's no way you can convince the others who hate it. It's disgusting like scatology but there's someone who like it. You can say there's no harm done but it's disgusting to someone anyway. Bear in mind that, even for non-pedos, provided with enough sexual cues, they may have sexual reactions to kids. Imaginations constitute a huge proportion of humans' sexual stimulation. |
Pocketasces said: Using my example to prove a point is no different from you using yours, except I have infinite examples, and you dont have many. If I like Asian porn I like Asians, if I like ladyboy porn i like ladyboys. I can go on.. Anyway I'm talking to the people that said its ok to masturbate over a drawing as long as it doesnt have a real girl in it, because there is no 'victim' http://vkontakte.ru/photo3973413_191160873 if you can masturbate over this, you can masturbate over a photo. That's the difference between 2D and 3D, a sliding scale was a bad way to put it, but where do you draw the line? Are you offended if you open up a pic and it's a bit too life like? Also, my gay example is not referring to yaoi but real porn. What liberal use of the word infinateinfinite. Anyway, no, using my example was simply showing that what you were saying is not true for anything and everything. I have less examples than you, but mine refer to anime (and hentai), whereas yours don't. I would have thought a male enjoying Yaoi was gay, but apparently (referring to Monad's post) there are some who claim to be straight whilst liking Yaoi, I can't really explain that either. Going for a different argument, if I assume you are right, and anyone would want to have sex with an anime loli if they liked loli hentai, then they would be sexually attracted to a real life anime loli. However, as you may have noticed, there are no such things as real life anime lolis. You might be wanting to say "but real children are lolis!", but you are wrong. I've said this before, and I'll say it again; Anime Lolis and Real children do not look the same, if there was such a thing as real life anime lolis, then we would be in for trouble, but they don't. Just because people think a loli is attractive doesn't mean they think a child is attractive. You're not convinced they are different? Well, let's put it the other way round, I show you a hot woman, you are sexually attracted to her, I show you hentai of a hot woman, from what you've said, I assume you wouldn't find it that sexually appealing. "But they're the same!" as you might have quoted for the loli scenario, so why do you not find that appealing? Why indeed? Even if you aren't, there are a large (billions) amount of people who are attracted to real women but wouldn't be attracted to anime ladies. You ever wondered why? If it works that way, why not the other way round? As for drawing the line, people don't need to, they are attracted to lolis, which are in the anime medium, as the art becomes more real and less anime like, they'll lose their attractiveness. Anyway, I'm aware you wanted out of the discussion, but I'm finishing off. |
shintai88 said: Ideally if you want a Loli as a wife, I would go for the famed. "Raise Your Own Wife - Hikaru Genji Plan" Which is referenced in a number of anime and manga :P. The damn quote still makes me laugh to this day. I've had numerous dreams that revolved around this plan. |
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| I don't even know what a goddamn loli is. You mean those little girls that have cute clothes etc? And lolicon means a person who likes them? Can someone give me a vocabulary training session concering this loli stuff? :) Doesn't every guy like cute girls? Or am I a pedophile? xD Or are you talking about liking too young girls, that sort of pedophilia? wtf I don't get it. I think every guy on earth is a little perverted. |
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Sebulon said: I don't even know what a goddamn loli is. You mean those little girls that have cute clothes etc? And lolicon means a person who likes them? Can someone give me a vocabulary training session concering this loli stuff? :) A Loli is basically a 2D character that has a child-like appearance. Lolicon is a person who is attracted to lolis. |
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| I would like to bring the following to the attention of everyone in this thread: 1. You cannot punish someone for "Thought Crime" 2. There is a difference between watching something and actually doing it yourself. 3. Human sexuality is not necessarily a straightforward case of "one or the other". I think that if you you look over your own arguments while keeping in mind these points (particularly the first two) then you will quickly pick up on some fairly major flaws in your reasoning. |
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AnnoKano said: The sad part is, a lot of courts have already shown that yes, they can.1. You cannot punish someone for "Thought Crime" |
AnnoKano said: I would like to bring the following to the attention of everyone in this thread: 1. You cannot punish someone for "Thought Crime" 2. There is a difference between watching something and actually doing it yourself. 3. Human sexuality is not necessarily a straightforward case of "one or the other". I think that if you you look over your own arguments while keeping in mind these points (particularly the first two) then you will quickly pick up on some fairly major flaws in your reasoning. 1. I think you mean "you shouldn't be able to punish for a "Thought Crime" - Loli material is illegal here in the UK, so they can punish you for thought crimes. Also, Pocketasces was saying that people who were attracted to lolis would be attracted to children, rather than people who watch loli material should be punished. Of course you were addressing it to everyone, but he's been the only one arguing really. I do agree on the points though. |
Pocketasces said: Please just remain shocked that you're not representative of all humankind.i guess i just dont understand you guys. i couldnt imagine enjoying something in porn that i wouldnt enjoy in real life.. i dont see the point to it if i cant put myself in that position.. then again ive never really understood hentai either.. Pocketasces said: To be way too normal, I think some sort of prerequisite has to be being from China, with its retarded population growth rate.i guess i am just way too normal.. i took these ideas from 2 key ideas that i believed to be solid. please if someone can give me a good final answer to this, i will be happy to accept that the high number of sexual deviants on this forum both as stated before: Pocketasces said: Unfortunately, there is a stark difference from '2D' and '3D' and anime is drawn almost nowhere near reality. Furthermore, I wouldn't believe in a 'sliding scale' at all, as I don't think there is any form of continuous shift from 2D art to real pictures(i.e. it is necessarily discontinuous due to extremities in differences)1. the difference between lolicon 2D and 3D - if you are sexually attracted to a drawn picture, there is a sliding scale of quality until it becomes a photo. if you claim to like 2d kiddies, and the drawing is almost photo-like, are you still sexually attracted? what about a photo rendered to look like a drawing? Pocketasces said: 2. If i enjoy gay porn, can i claim to be straight?. according to your theories that you can look at whatever you want and enjoy it without enjoying it in real life, i can do this, and i am not gay IRL. thanks in advance, i will be happy to learn from your answers I do not see why there is a prohibitive factor introduced from liking 'gay porn' and one's sexual orientation. Baman said: Which is unlikely to be changed soon because it is much easier to convince others than a skin colouration difference does not make that person a lesser man, but it is much more difficult to convince others that an inexplicable attraction to the human young does not make that person a lesser man. Public stupidity has been on the rise since the rise of civilisation.AnnoKano said: The sad part is, a lot of courts have already shown that yes, they can.1. You cannot punish someone for "Thought Crime" |
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| Remember, cops have guns, cops are the ones that come for you when you have done something that has pissed off someone else. You don't need to be guilty of anything to have pissed off someone, you merely need to have pissed them off. Courts are places you end up in (forcibly thanks to cops with guns) where they TELL you what THEY think you did wrong, even if they have the facts skewed. And thanks to cops with guns, if they declare you wrong, it isn't going to matter what we here on MAL understand eh. Because they can make you suffer (thanks again to cops with guns). Remember, we don't need to care what a loli really is, in your mind, my mind or the other posters minds. It's only important what the uninformed non anime/manga fan's view point is. If you are declared a child fucking sick bastard pedo all because you had a fondness for flat chested overly young looking pieces of artwork in the end, you are most assuredly guilty of a horrible lack of wisdom if nothing else. Society barely tolerates homosexuality too by the way. Don't be fooled. They are not being accepted near as much as the PC police want you to think. We still use the term 'gay' as a form of insult and general purpose slag. |
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InfiniteRyvius said: I would have thought a male enjoying Yaoi was gay, but apparently (referring to Monad's post) there are some who claim to be straight whilst liking Yaoi, I can't really explain that either. Traps. Delicious little traps. |
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| Fine line between it. Look at it this way. Purpose: People who buy High Times or Treating Yourself. Are they reading the magazine because they have an interest in how marijuana can help with cetain medical conditions? Can you make a case that an artistic view of an image of a presumed adolescent being sexually assaulted into psychological submission is valid within society? I understand reading Playboy for the articles is okay, but the same really can't be said for Hustler or anything worse. Image: People who watch Pokemon may have an interest in becoming a pokemon trainer. Not you specifically, but others that are easily influenced. Same with Naruto and ninja powers, and basically any other show or game that can influence creative minds. Creativity that seems so real and is physically possible in real life may give those who are the kind that are easily influenced the idea. Same with bringing guns to school, setting things on fire, or even rape. If it is considered art then why isn't it freely posted in regular message boards, or even here, or promoted on such websites such as Google or Facebook if there's such a big following? Society: Talking about your favorite lolicon doujin isn't exactly a good water cooler conversation. And really, would you openly look for someone who shares the same interests out in public? Most likely you'd probably wait until someone does actually look instead and then maybe defend their interests, locking yourself in to be accepted by someone that shares the same views. Even if it may be views alone or if the other had other motives towards it. Degree: It's possible to overobsess over a certain thing (you know, the whole "otaku" discussion. Since the word is derogatory to some.) As art, it can be considered an easy outlet for those who are interested in that kind of thing to more of an extreme degree. Is it a good legal alternative for those who have those urges to have? Think of it as non-alcoholic beverages for kids or those electronic cigarettes that don't give off all that nicotine. Or maybe TLC already took care of that problem by making "Toddlers in Tiaras." Culture: Believe it or not, Japanese culture is not American culture. Different country usually means different way of lifestyle. While lolicon material may be allowed (to an extent?) people in America (you know, the majority in the country that DOESN'T get into anime/manga) really won't understand the situation. And I'm pretty sure there's a big chunk of Japan that doesn't approve of lolicon either. Anyway, yes I do think I'm taking the topic to an extreme. In actuallity, those who don't get the culture will do the exact same thing and take it to an extreme. Until child pornography AS A WHOLE can be laughed off in society, I don't think lolicon can be accepted with open arms. That's why ugly, fat, racist, religious, sexist, and gay jokes are still the funniest, no matter what you say. We passed those barriers and is now accepted that it exists on a normal basis, therefore people will laugh at those jokes. ----------------------------------- Solution: Keep it to yourself. ----------------------------------- |
Sukunai said: Remember, cops have guns, cops are the ones that come for you when you have done something that has pissed off someone else. You don't need to be guilty of anything to have pissed off someone, you merely need to have pissed them off. Courts are places you end up in (forcibly thanks to cops with guns) where they TELL you what THEY think you did wrong, even if they have the facts skewed. And thanks to cops with guns, if they declare you wrong, it isn't going to matter what we here on MAL understand eh. Because they can make you suffer (thanks again to cops with guns). Remember, we don't need to care what a loli really is, in your mind, my mind or the other posters minds. It's only important what the uninformed non anime/manga fan's view point is. If you are declared a child fucking sick bastard pedo all because you had a fondness for flat chested overly young looking pieces of artwork in the end, you are most assuredly guilty of a horrible lack of wisdom if nothing else. Society barely tolerates homosexuality too by the way. Don't be fooled. They are not being accepted near as much as the PC police want you to think. We still use the term 'gay' as a form of insult and general purpose slag. Pretty much. The law is a tool, not an omnipotent deliverer of justice. People would be wise not to confuse justice with law. |
TheResistance said: InfiniteRyvius said: I would have thought a male enjoying Yaoi was gay, but apparently (referring to Monad's post) there are some who claim to be straight whilst liking Yaoi, I can't really explain that either. Traps. Delicious little traps. The way you said that makes you sound like a sexual predator. |
| It doesn't matter if get off looking at manga/anime kiddies, but if you get turned on by kids in real life, you should go seek help asap. You can't understand the pain and suffering victims of pedophiles have to endure in their lifetime. |
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PurpleHurple said: RamenSoup43 said: People who watch Pokemon may have an interest in becoming a pokemon trainer. Not you specifically, but others that are easily influenced. Same with Naruto and ninja powers, and basically any other show or game that can influence creative minds. Creativity that seems so real and is physically possible in real life may give those who are the kind that are easily influenced the idea. Same with bringing guns to school, setting things on fire, or even rape. Though you didn’t explicitly say it, with that logic, it seems like you actually think a sexual preference is something that can be changed or created via the media? So if I watch enough Yuri, I may have the possibility of becoming a lesbian? That’s just stupid, pal. Desire for violence and sexual preferences are totally different, you know. An anime can’t cause people to become gay or lesbian. An anime doesn’t cause people to bring guns to school, engage in pyromaniacal activity, or rape some poor girl. I agree with anime, games, etc. in how they could awaken LATENT/SUBCONSCIOUS desires, but there’s just no way it can CREATE said desires out of thin air! You're not influenced. That's fine. I didn't say specifically you in the first place. Just because yourself isn't specifically influenced doesn't mean there's not someone else that is. Anyway, I think a sexual preference is influenced by EVERYTHING that a person goes through, right down to a preference of DFCs, best friend (girl next door) type, or barely legal, or even the dreaded not even close to legal. There's magazines specifically for that kinda stuff anyway (not sure about the last one though... unless you count doujinshi.) All within how strongly you feel in what you read. I mean, why the hell do you think stoners all of a sudden become rocket scientists when you ask them about what kind of weed is the best? And none of that "born that way" bullcrap. Something happens in a person's life to determine what kind of person they'd want to get with. Oh, and yeah, I do think desires can be created out of thin air. Lots of things just happen. People fall in love, get jealous, become socially withdrawn, start taking drugs, want to learn how to speak Japanese, want to kill somoene (by writing a name in a notebook... which caused a ban of Death Note in China back in 2005 since teachers saw it as a death threat from their students) spur of the moment crap. All it takes is SOMETHING to trigger it. I guess it's just about the same thing as awakening latent/subconscious desires. All I'm saying is I never met a person that loves to read cookbooks but will never have an interest in knowing the aspects of cooking. |
| I cannot force myself to find anything attractive or appealing in a 7 year old character, no matter how I look at it. I'm not disgusted by it though .. it just feels stupid, because you as a viewer know exactly why you are looking at the thing you're looking at and why it is there -.- |
natsukage said: Question is, should I be grouped together 'the same' as those child offenders? My answer is no. Most parents, especially women, find children cute. It's acceptable. Does that make them dangerous? No. As long as you don't go beyond "like", you're still the same as many people. Of course, you're treading down a dangerous road. Try to not like them too much. If you start thinking explicitly about 3d loli's, it's a good idea getting help. No offence. yeh children can be cute but not when there dressed in bikinis with perverted angles |
| Of course, it should be illegal. Think of all the [virtual] children! Also, we should make violent video games illegal because only sickos who would attack people IRL would play those sorts of games. |
| "When he will, the weary world Of the senses closely curled Like a serpent round his heart Shakes herself and stands apart." - A.C., Equinox I/I |
Yanoflies said: Admittedly, I'm a lolicon. It's quite a difficult thing to admit, and to be honest, but I'm not sure why (the admitting part). Thing is, I don't view lolies explicitly, (read: yes this is going to sound very clichéd) but rather innocently cute. I don't know if that makes me a bona fide lolicon (as the word tend to carry more meaning than I think it should). Pedophilia, in the medical lexicon, is considered "a mental disorder". Thing is, many people, including me, disagree with this. Homosexuality is no longer considered a mental illness and its classification in the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) was so similar that it would be better to call it the same rather than alike. I myself think that pedophilia is just one of many variations of human behavior. Many psychologist argue that (and no I'm not gonna cite references etc., this is a MAL discussion) pedophilia is a mental illness and that it is correctly defined, but I don't. I mean, psychologists admitted that homosexuality was only considered a mental illness because of society's norms. So why not the same for pedophilia (geez I hate that word, hate it)? I think that there's child abuse, and there's pedophilia. Two different things. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely hate child offenders (or any offenders for that matter). Probably if not definitely on my #1 list of most hated humans. Yes, I think that little girls are 'cute', but not explicitly. Trust me, if there's anything I'm sure of, it's that I would never harm a lolie. Question is, should I be grouped together 'the same' as those child offenders? I don't think I should. The thought of somebody taking advantage of someone makes me cringe. The thought of somebody taking said advantage over a person without the knowledge, awareness, power and authority to exert their own freedom makes me so mad I cannot find the voice inside me to word it. TL;DR: I'm a lolicon, disgusting? Well, f_ck you. You should not going around asking a question when you know you are not going to like the answer. Being a lolicon makes you a pedophile.But being a pedophile doesn't mean you raped or molested any little prepubescent kids.You may have a sick desire but as long as you do not act on that sick desire you won't be like the child molesters and rapist behind bars. |
| A lot of us like underage kids because we use to fuck kids a lot back then. Even though Lolicon isnt harmful,its probably best if it keeps being looked down as wrong in society and eventually forgotten. |
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RamenSoup43 said: You're not influenced. That's fine. I didn't say specifically you in the first place. Just because yourself isn't specifically influenced doesn't mean there's not someone else that is. I'm quite interested in 'someone else.' Due to the nature of things(derp derp societal issues), what's a minimal basis for anything is a statistical observation that paedophiles, child rape and the like are on the rise, with a(n) (in)direct link to lolicons. I call it reason. You might call it avoiding justice or what not. RamenSoup43 said: Call me stupid, but I don't see how stoners have anything to do with sexual preferences. One is preference. The other is acquirement of knowledge due to exposure. They do not compute well.Anyway, I think a sexual preference is influenced by EVERYTHING that a person goes through, right down to a preference of DFCs, best friend (girl next door) type, or barely legal, or even the dreaded not even close to legal. There's magazines specifically for that kinda stuff anyway (not sure about the last one though... unless you count doujinshi.) All within how strongly you feel in what you read. I mean, why the hell do you think stoners all of a sudden become rocket scientists when you ask them about what kind of weed is the best? And none of that "born that way" bullcrap. Something happens in a person's life to determine what kind of person they'd want to get with. There is a serious difference between: I like physics: it tells me the mechanism of what we see in the sky: the shining Sun, blue sky, red sky, and night sky. I know physics: I know what's the mechanism of what we see in the sky: the shining Sun(Fusion, dates back to Cosmology/Star formation, Quantum Mechanical Tunnelling), blue sky, red sky and night sky(all under scattering theory/optics/light theory) And not all who like 'something' will know 'something.' RamenSoup43 said: A trigger isn't thin air. What's thin air is a spontaneous event, like, for no good reason, all your air decided to go against the odds and simply decided to gather in a dense area. Probabilities dictate this might happen once perhaps... in 10^16^10 years?Oh, and yeah, I do think desires can be created out of thin air. Lots of things just happen. People fall in love, get jealous, become socially withdrawn, start taking drugs, want to learn how to speak Japanese, want to kill somoene (by writing a name in a notebook... which caused a ban of Death Note in China back in 2005 since teachers saw it as a death threat from their students) spur of the moment crap. All it takes is SOMETHING to trigger it. I guess it's just about the same thing as awakening latent/subconscious desires. Literally thin air, too. No sarcasm. RamenSoup43 said: Unfortunately, I'm not a chef, yet I already know that a cookbook and (aspects of) cooking can mean totally differently things. I'd assume the former to be a recipe book, and the latter could refer to temperature control, temperature flow, materials, tool(perhaps, especially the knife, as Japan shows) expertise, ingredients, taste theory, ...All I'm saying is I never met a person that loves to read cookbooks but will never have an interest in knowing the aspects of cooking. And yes, while a recipe book might tell you 'how' to cook something, perhaps even going as far as temperature readings in the oven(and telling you to get a suitable thermometer so you KNOW the temperature), it might not even bother telling you why that temperature is chosen, or what would a different temperature do or even, what that specific temperature does. Junigenmukyoku said: I think those who suffer from 'something' would know. It's just generic pain, and generic suffering. (see: child in Africa on EMT... ...)It doesn't have real quantifiable levels(that I know of...) although the closest I can come up with is brain activity and pain sensor activity. And I don't even know if we can measure that accurately.It doesn't matter if get off looking at manga/anime kiddies, but if you get turned on by kids in real life, you should go seek help asap. You can't understand the pain and suffering victims of pedophiles have to endure in their lifetime. xxangelchanxx said: I can't even begin to process the first sentence. Nor the second, either.A lot of us like underage kids because we use to fuck kids a lot back then. Even though Lolicon isnt harmful,its probably best if it keeps being looked down as wrong in society and eventually forgotten. |
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I can't even begin to process the first sentence. Nor the second, either. Probably referring to how alot of people banged their girlfriend in 8th grade. |
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| See what is called "Legal Loli" http://blog.livedoor.jp/insidears/archives/52518717.html |
bottle said: See what is called "Legal Loli" http://blog.livedoor.jp/insidears/archives/52518717.html Wow, it looked like that girl was gonna get molested by all those Japanese men. She also looked slightly retarded. >.> xxangelchanxx said: A lot of us like underage kids because we use to fuck kids a lot back then. Even though Lolicon isnt harmful,its probably best if it keeps being looked down as wrong in society and eventually forgotten. ....Um what? Hold on, having sex at a young age does not make you a pedophile. This is just an excuse to blow off the issue as something trivial, |
FatherAndersonJan 15, 2012 1:16 PM
| I don't know about you guys but, I wish i had like 3 Loli's of my own! (No I'm not a pervert although i strongly suggest it) I just think little Loli's are like the cutest things ever (I'm not gay either..Chill) haha |
| I lurrvvzz lolis, so cute and cuddly. How messed up am I? Oh and I only like the fake lolis not the real life kind. lol. |
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