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Aug 11, 2008 10:29 AM
#1
Before you go on shouting 'omfg no wai u pervvvvv get laid 4 reel' let me put in my two cents. By the way, I am talking about the United States, as I have little knowledge of laws in other countries. Here are my reasons for wanting it to be legalized: -Restriction: If the government monitored all their activities they could instill weekly STD tests, set a minimum wage and make designated places, thus making a very risky market in which the whores themselves may have STDs and be addicted to drugs, relatively safer. Pimps pay their hookers with drugs (usually - I'm no expert on this), so if it was legalized, they would be paid with money, thus lowering the drug addiction rate, and freeing up rehab centers. -Tax 'em: Think how much money goes in and out of the prostitution business each day; you could eliminate the nation debt and the quality of cities with the money that you made off the taxing. -Redundancy: If somebody wants to pay for a hooker, they aren't going to say "Say, I want to pay for sex, but it's illegal! I guess I can't now." If somebody is going to do it, petty laws aren't going to stop them. Its going to happen anyway, so why not legalize it and put some laws in place. A reason that I am not so sure about is it may lower the rape counts in the United States, as sex will be easily available. I am not sure about this one - so don't hold me down on it. Give me your opinions. In my opinion, paying for sex isn't that bad of a thing. You can do it for free, but once money is involved, it's illegal? >_> Whats the difference? Please discuses and debate this civilly, as I don't want there just to be arguments of somebody saying "It's immoral so no" and somebody else replying "You fucking retard its not bad legalize it". That isn't going to get us anywhere. Remember - its and opinion - it can't be right or wrong, so don't get upset if somebody else has different view from you. If everybody had the same view on this, this topic wouldn't be here, because I would be paying for sex. |
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Aug 11, 2008 10:33 AM
#2
Short answer: yes. Long(er) answer: Why is it illegal in the firstplace? The sex trade is huge. It will always be needed, and there's no reason to try to prevent it other than zany Christian morals. It is legal here, though, so my view is biased (I even considered becoming an 'escort' at one point, the pay is incredible) but the US is silly. |
Aug 11, 2008 10:42 AM
#3
Asako said: Short answer: yes. Long(er) answer: Why is it illegal in the firstplace? The sex trade is huge. It will always be needed, and there's no reason to try to prevent it other than zany Christian morals. It is legal here, though, so my view is biased (I even considered becoming an 'escort' at one point, the pay is incredible) but the US is silly. I love prank calling escort services. They actually think I am old enough to get one. >_> It's fun to haggle with them and make strange requests "Yeah, it's my sons birthday party, he's turning 9..", "Do you have any Furry outfits?", "Does the massage have a happy ending?"... Every escort service I called asked for around 700 bucks for the whole night, and I usually could haggle them down to 400-500. But yeah, that is still a shit load of money. |
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Aug 11, 2008 10:55 AM
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Aug 11, 2008 10:57 AM
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Kionniko said: Yeah, I was going to quote him in this thread but I forgot exactly what he said. He fucking rules. |
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Aug 11, 2008 10:58 AM
#7
Legalize it, regulate it, and tax the hell out of it. I would rather people buy it knowing it was clean that sneak around and risk getting stds that they could then pass on to other people. Pewdie said: prostition shall always be illegal! end of story.. But why? Why do you think it should be illegal? |
Aug 11, 2008 11:34 AM
#8
It's already legal in my country. |
Aug 11, 2008 2:39 PM
#9
It's only illegal if you get caught. As if top politicians don't hire them. Pfft... |
Aug 11, 2008 2:55 PM
#10
Yes. I'm glad someone posted that video of Carlin, but for me, it's no less an authority than Robert Anson Heinlein who made a great argument for why prostitution should be legal, in his book "Glory Road". There's also Penn and Teller on Episode 2 of Season 4 of their show. Essentially, there's absolutely no reason not to, outside of traditional Church doctrine. Prostitution is legal in certain parts of Nevada, too, and everyone is in favor of it; the city that makes a fortune from taxing it, the patrons who don't have to worry about STDs, getting arrested, or being extorted for more money than previously agreed, as well as the girls and pimps themselves. |
Aug 11, 2008 3:02 PM
#11
Yes. I'm yet to hear a convincing argument as to why it should remain illegal in any country. |
Aug 11, 2008 3:07 PM
#12
Yeah. There's nothing really wrong with it in my opinion. True, it's morally incorrect, but prostitution is here to stay. It is the world's oldest profession. :D |
Aug 11, 2008 3:30 PM
#13
I sense you want alot of thing legalized Nathan. Yes, as long as the prostitute gets all the money. |
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Aug 11, 2008 3:52 PM
#14
It should be legal, there is really no economic drawbacks that could occur by legalizing it. Like everyone is saying religous ideals are keeping it illegal, but in time I think will eventually be legalized. |
Aug 11, 2008 3:57 PM
#15
I agree that it should be legalized and regulated. I remember back in high school, oh, 14+ years ago, I had a group assignment in my government class to pick an issue and propose new laws about it. We picked prostitution and argued pretty much the same points you listed above. I don't know why the class was so shocked o.O Once, for work, I had to call a brothel, the Moonlite Bunny Ranch (the one that had its own HBO TV series). Their telephone answering machine phone tree was rather hilarious. 'press 0 to speak to our hot, sexy naked operator, press 2 for directions, 3 for sex prices, 4 to make an appointment, 5 for our xxx movie information, blahblah... I press 0 for the sexy naked operator, and who picks up? ... a guy ^_^ I wonder if he was naked... anyway, legalizing it could be amusing.... |
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Aug 11, 2008 3:59 PM
#16
It should be, it's the best way to fight against the criminality and it will be safer for both the prostitute and the "customer" from every point of view, including health. |
Aug 11, 2008 4:01 PM
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yakyuu-addict said: It should be legal, there is really no economic drawbacks that could occur by legalizing it. Like everyone is saying religous ideals are keeping it illegal, but in time I think will eventually be legalized. Yeah, whatever became of separation of church and state? |
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Aug 11, 2008 4:05 PM
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Nathan-the-Axe said: yakyuu-addict said: It should be legal, there is really no economic drawbacks that could occur by legalizing it. Like everyone is saying religous ideals are keeping it illegal, but in time I think will eventually be legalized. Yeah, whatever became of separation of church and state? Did it ever even exist? |
Aug 11, 2008 4:06 PM
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Imenonoawai said: Nathan-the-Axe said: yakyuu-addict said: It should be legal, there is really no economic drawbacks that could occur by legalizing it. Like everyone is saying religous ideals are keeping it illegal, but in time I think will eventually be legalized. Yeah, whatever became of separation of church and state? Did it ever even exist? I think for about 9 seconds in 1873 it did, but otherwise I can't think of any other instances. |
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Aug 12, 2008 12:20 AM
#21
pfft, if they legalize it then I'll have to pay all these taxes i mean, the prostitutes will. |
Aug 12, 2008 10:52 AM
#22
MysteriousMerlin said: pfft, if they legalize it then I'll have to pay all these taxes i mean, the prostitutes will. Yeah, I'm not sure who they would tax actually, the prostitute or the customer. Probably both at like 30% say? |
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Aug 12, 2008 12:41 PM
#23
Yeah. Don't really see the big deal against it really. They're making it worse by making it illegal. |
Aug 12, 2008 1:11 PM
#24
Yes it should be, but it should be a registered trade. That way, the government (but not the American one, they wouldn't bother) can offer courses to those who are in prostitution and get a better job. They should be mandatory to always use a condom |
Aug 12, 2008 2:12 PM
#25
Maglor said: Yes it should be, but it should be a registered trade. That way, the government (but not the American one, they wouldn't bother) can offer courses to those who are in prostitution and get a better job. They should be mandatory to always use a condom Why not give them courses on how to be a better prostitute? :) Alright girls our first lesson will be on how to give oral sex correctly. Each of you will be sharing a volunteer.. I know if they did that I would be so into community service that I would never go home. :P |
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Aug 12, 2008 2:49 PM
#26
Nathan-the-Axe said: -Restriction: If the government monitored all their activities they could instill weekly STD tests, set a minimum wage and make designated places, thus making a very risky market in which the whores themselves may have STDs and be addicted to drugs, relatively safer. Pimps pay their hookers with drugs (usually - I'm no expert on this), so if it was legalized, they would be paid with money, thus lowering the drug addiction rate, and freeing up rehab centers. -Tax 'em: Think how much money goes in and out of the prostitution business each day; you could eliminate the nation debt and the quality of cities with the money that you made off the taxing. -Redundancy: If somebody wants to pay for a hooker, they aren't going to say "Say, I want to pay for sex, but it's illegal! I guess I can't now." If somebody is going to do it, petty laws aren't going to stop them. Its going to happen anyway, so why not legalize it and put some laws in place. When I had to do mock House of Representatives for my semester one AP Government final, these were points I used in the bill I wrote to enact legalised prostitution in the US. :D Sadly, the bill didn't pass because most people couldn't see past the "ewwww perv" mentality. |
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Aug 12, 2008 3:42 PM
#27
roseofmalice said: When I had to do mock House of Representatives for my semester one AP Government final, these were points I used in the bill I wrote to enact legalised prostitution in the US. :D Sadly, the bill didn't pass because most people couldn't see past the "ewwww perv" mentality. Quite true, US still sees sex as a "bad" thing while violence is out on the street, news, ... Ok, you don't have to roll porn clips in stead of the teletubies when the kids come home from school, but make it a normal subject of conversation. |
Aug 12, 2008 6:47 PM
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Aug 13, 2008 12:08 AM
#29
They aren't really "selling their bodies"; that implies the customers' money gets them complete control over the prostitute, permanently. I know it's the usual phrase, it's just occurred to me it's not very accurate. They're selling sexual services. Oh yeah, and it's not only women who are prostitutes. |
Aug 13, 2008 1:49 AM
#30
eh, let a 15 yr old offer his professional opinion xD Think of it this way, as long as prostitution is illegal these women are controlled and operated by a pimp, who will usually kill them if they try to leave. By legalising it the pimp is no longer needed and the prostitutes count as legal workers with proper rights. But I still can't understand why they do it, and whatever reasons they have they're usually a bad excuse for not having an education. |
Aug 13, 2008 2:22 AM
#31
sseth672 said: Think of it this way, as long as prostitution is illegal these women are controlled and operated by a pimp, who will usually kill them if they try to leave. That's a typical view of someone how actually is 15 years, not all women are controlled by "pimps"... sseth672 said: By legalising it the pimp is no longer needed and the prostitutes count as legal workers with proper rights. That is completely true. sseth672 said: But I still can't understand why they do it, and whatever reasons they have they're usually a bad excuse for not having an education. If you can't get a job because of you don't got an education, your color,... and you need to feed your children as a single mother, then you'd do anything to keep them alive... That's the basic of survival... |
Aug 13, 2008 6:28 AM
#32
Yes. Legalize it. The only thing keeping it illegal is a dated set of old Christian values and the stigma that sex is somehow a "bad" thing. As has been stated, legalizing it would do a lot more good than harm. Listen, you ninnies, you're only here because your parents shagged one night, so stop getting your undies in a bunch and legalize prostitution! :| |
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Aug 13, 2008 7:08 AM
#33
I've yet to see anyone post arguments against this, so I will. Even if I think that legalization has a stronger case, and would probably agree to legalization. Firstly I'd like to say that legalization would make the industry much more popular, believe it or not but people's choices are influenced by the law. The slippery slope argument. If this is legalized what other immoral things will be legalized? I consider this the low blow argument with no certainty, but certainly plausibility. I guess some people don't like the idea that if this is legalized polygamy might be next, or sexual abuse of animals, other things like this. The faith argument, if sex is easily available my marriage will be betrayed that much more easily. (Though really, if it was that easily betrayed in the first place... you're too prude or you're picking them wrong.) STD argument - Easily circumvented and perhaps improved by regulations. This is void. A flimsy argument, but people think that underground criminal rings will gain a lot of profit from the boost in popularity of sexual services. Additional Arguments for: Sex Slave industry would take a huge hit. No more importing 12 year olds to Canada and selling their 'services' under the table promptly before returning them to their horrible living conditions in some confined space with little to no privacy. tyvm. Okay, perhaps a little biased. But you get the gist and my own arguments against the arguments against legalization... |
Aug 13, 2008 7:51 AM
#34
As long as it is controlled into brothels and they are not roaming the streets. With the prostitutes having regular STD testing done along with the user. Then I do not see a problem. |
Aug 13, 2008 12:54 PM
#35
not to sound like a dick, but who cares about prostitutes? paying someone for sex...that's pretty lame. how about you learn some game, or omg outrageous right..sleep with someone that loves you. basically the best part of sex is when there's affection or love there, it makes it just that more intense. anyways, America would never ever let prostitution be legalized. think about it, if gay marriage cant even be fully legalized, how in the world would this fly. people would flip out. not even thinkable at this point in time. |
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Aug 13, 2008 1:01 PM
#36
Frequencity said: not to sound like a dick, but who cares about prostitutes? paying someone for sex...that's pretty lame. how about you learn some game, or omg outrageous right..sleep with someone that loves you. basically the best part of sex is when there's affection or love there, it makes it just that more intense. anyways, America would never ever let prostitution be legalized. think about it, if gay marriage cant even be legalized, how in the world would this fly. people would flip out. not even thinkable at this point in time. I have a hard time taking your post seriously due to the lack of capital letters. A lot of things that should be legal aren't, and I don't debate that it won't be legal any time soon. I'm just seeing what other people think on the subject, even though I know that our opinions don't matter to the government (when did they ever?). By the way, many people don't have anybody that loves them, and still want to have sex, or are dissatisfied with the performance of their partner, so how its it lame to pay somebody to give you something that you can't get. If all you got from sex was the psychological feeling of "oh this person loves me" I can say to you it wouldn't be as popular as it is. |
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Aug 13, 2008 1:12 PM
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Nathan-the-Axe said: If all you got from sex was the psychological feeling of "oh this person loves me" I can say to you it wouldn't be as popular as it is. if you re-read my post, I was inferring that its actually >>more<< enjoyable to have sex with someone you love & who loves you, as it makes the event >>more<< intense/enjoyable/lasting in my personal experience. I wasn't simply saying that the pleasure of sex only comes from the emotional standpoint or can equate to a simply "I love you" gesture. I guess my only response to your other comment is that plenty of people want certain things and can't have them, doesn't mean we should change the law or think that its okay. additionally, maybe I'm just confused here, but are you saying that if one is dissatisfied with the performance of their partner...prostitution is an option? edit: as to the tax question I believe it would go a little something like this: customer pays sales 'of service' tax to the state (unless it becomes federally maintained meaning a prostitute can operate in more than one state under whatever license they would get). Then on the prostitutes tax return for the year, it would just show as income tax through whatever sales they had during the year. This would be for independent prostitutes of course. If it were through a company, the state withholding would be just like at any other job for the prostitute. Its pretty interesting actually thinking about how tax would be applied, but I'm assuming that unless there's special dealings worked out, it would be similar to a sale of service type of thing (like a personal trainer or handyman/contractor). Plenty of these services are provided under the table tho so I believe there would be plenty of tax evasion =p |
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Aug 13, 2008 2:13 PM
#38
Hacksaw said: As long as it is controlled into brothels and they are not roaming the streets. With the prostitutes having regular STD testing done along with the user. Then I do not see a problem. Do you mean that you'd like street-walking prostitution to remain illegal? Because I don't think legalized prostitution would automatically get rid of that aspect. |
Aug 13, 2008 3:40 PM
#39
Depends really...Alot of prostitution has crime behind it..some girls were kidnapped and sold into it, etc....If it's a consentual thing that the women and or man is the willing prostitute and the buyer wants to buy this said person. Then yes, it's like ciggerets. People know the risks, it's a matter of them willing to take it or not. If they choose too, that's their problem. |
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Aug 13, 2008 3:42 PM
#40
Kionniko said: He's amazing. and I think it should be legal it's their choice to do it, and if someone chooses to sleep with a hooker and get an std, it's on them. |
Aug 13, 2008 3:46 PM
#41
Chavez said: It's already legal in my country. Expect a visit from me soon. Well if it was legal that would be awesome, because it would most likely be regulated. But porn nowadays is pretty much like prostitution. 1. Get a video camera 2. Pay a girl to do a video with you |
Aug 13, 2008 4:33 PM
#43
unholyindulgence said: and I think it should be legal it's their choice to do it, and if someone chooses to sleep with a hooker and get an std, it's on them. And on you, if they sleep with you afterwards. |
Aug 14, 2008 7:24 PM
#44
Personally I have never considered this subject. After reading your reasons as to why it should be legal, I would say I agree with you and it seems like it would be a good idea, but only in theory. It could work but we don't know that. I think that it should be legal for a few years at least to see how it would work out. I mean think about it; Communism isn't so loved now even though it's perfect in theory. |
Aug 14, 2008 8:04 PM
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Aug 14, 2008 11:22 PM
#46
Eternalsong said: i dunno if its legal in canada or not....but i think it should be legalized to protect ppl who enjoy the hobby? I for one...will pass V_V That is the first time I have ever heard participating prostitution referred to as a hobby. ^_^ |
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Aug 14, 2008 11:53 PM
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Aug 15, 2008 1:30 AM
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Aug 15, 2008 2:14 AM
#49
Frequencity said: I guess my only response to your other comment is that plenty of people want certain things and can't have them, doesn't mean we should change the law or think that its okay. additionally, maybe I'm just confused here, but are you saying that if one is dissatisfied with the performance of their partner...prostitution is an option? What about people who are mentally and/or mental challenged? Their bodies still function as normal bodies and they still have certain physical needs. Can't they have something every other person can have? It's a lot more difficult for them to meet someone. It doesn't mean 'cuz your dissatisfied with your partner , you don't love that partner. If you physical can't get what you need, but you don't want to leave your partner , prostitution isn't an option to solve the problem? I think that every person/couple should decide that for their own and should have the option. Is it actually true they place decoys in the streets to catch people who go to prostitutes? Reavery2k said: Personally I have never considered this subject. After reading your reasons as to why it should be legal, I would say I agree with you and it seems like it would be a good idea, but only in theory. It could work but we don't know that. I think that it should be legal for a few years at least to see how it would work out. I mean think about it; Communism isn't so loved now even though it's perfect in theory. In Belgium it's legal but the organisation of prostitution and the support of immigrants with the goal of prostitution is illegal. So they will allow it. So it does work and I think legalizing is a way to control it. It doesn't work in the sense of the government having complete control. That's just not possible, illegal stuff will keep happening but if it's legal the prostitutes will have some kind of protection and so does the people who go to prostitutes; then I think it should be legalized. And the only thing why communism doesn't work is 'cuz humankind is too selfish to make it work. |
Aug 15, 2008 8:13 AM
#50
I think it should be legal. I've always believed that people have the right to do whatever they like with their bodies, as long as they don't hurt anyone else. So I agree, regulayed prostitution is the way to go. |
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