Questions about Fate/ Stay Night

ideoidiom said:
You've never downloaded anything in parts?

... are you new to the internet?

silver_gospel said:

No i havent but i think i can handle it. What I meant is how many Visual Novels of Fate stay night are there. Mika just said that there are plenty. So i wanna know how many. If thas fine with you...

ideoidiom said:
You've never downloaded anything in parts?

... are you new to the internet?

Leon-Gun said:
There's 1 (Fate/stay night) and the sequel (fate/Hollow Ataraxia). All the info I gave you was either from the VN or officially released Type-Moon extra material.

The info on the swords comes from my knowledge of King Arthur's tale however.

Also, there will be a port to PC of the PS2 All-Ages version of Fate/Stay Night (Fate/Stay Night Realta Nua) soon. From what I hear it will be released in 3 separate packages, one for each route (Fate, Unlimited Blade Works, and Heaven's Feel).

And since I think this is a common source of confusion for many watchers who aren't used to Type-Moon's stories, All Visual Novels, Light Novels and games in general written by Kinoko Nasu are related in some way or another. He created this rule that all of his stories exist in parallel dimensions in a broad interconnected fiction fans call Nasuvere. There's even a type of "True Magic" that allows it's user to travel through such dimensions at will and there's one character that can do so. As such, there's no one true route and all routes happened...that's how it goes.

And just as a parting shot, the anime only differed in 1 arc, just one (Caster/Sakura arc). Everything else follows the Fate route more or less, even the ending.

ideoidiom said:
I sent you a link.

silver_gospel said:

Ya know... I watched Unlimited Blade Works... But just saying, Archer, his identity can't be just a imaginary figure that was formed by shiuro. If so, then the anime would go as the movie. Another thing is that how did Shiuro become a servant? Well what im basically saying is that in the anime. Archer's identity can't be his imaginary ideal... which basically creates a different story from the very very begining.

silver_gospel said:


So what you're saying is that the movie the anime the visual novels that have different routes all happen differently in different dimensions? So basically there are more than one Holy Grails.

Leon-Gun said:
Nah, he's literally another Shirou. a Shirou that follows his ideals and became the ideal itself. That's what he meant. But if you're asking how did he become a Servant, he just made a contract with the world and became a Counter Guardian. This is slightly different than being a Heroic Spirit. Counter Guardians are summoned by the world to stop disasters that threaten it but the only way they have to do this is by killing and killing and killing. Hence why Archer's soul became twisted with only the desire to die and to kill himself.

I guess you can say that although even in one world the "Grail" of Fuyuki is one from amongst hundreds of potential Holy Grails. None of them have been confirmed as a True Grail and even the Grail of Fuyuki is not really the Holy Grail. It's just a gate created by magi.

insan3soldiern said:
You find out most of this in the Visual Novel. I'm sure it's confusing when you haven't experienced if for yourself, but it'll make sense in context.

Leon-Gun said:
Nah, he's literally another Shirou. a Shirou that follows his ideals and became the ideal itself. That's what he meant. But if you're asking how did he become a Servant, he just made a contract with the world and became a Counter Guardian. This is slightly different than being a Heroic Spirit. Counter Guardians are summoned by the world to stop disasters that threaten it but the only way they have to do this is by killing and killing and killing. Hence why Archer's soul became twisted with only the desire to die and to kill himself.

I guess you can say that although even in one world the "Grail" of Fuyuki is one from amongst hundreds of potential Holy Grails. None of them have been confirmed as a True Grail and even the Grail of Fuyuki is not really the Holy Grail. It's just a gate created by magi.

silver_gospel said:

k... Hey how long does it take to complete Fate/Stay Night with Realta Nua? About how long? Oh and is this the first Visual novel or is it second?

insan3soldiern said:


As has already been said there is only two Fate/stay visual novels. Fate/stay night and Fate/hollow Ataraxia. And, I'm personally only speaking about Fate/stay as Ataraxia hasn't been fully translated yet, so I haven't read it yet.

Oh, and the person Saber is seen fighting in her dream is actually her son. Again, the visual novel goes into more detail and does these sequences you talk about much better. HE just got her feminine looks.

silver_gospel said:

I WOULD LMAO IF I SEE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE MAY AS WELL DRESS LIKE A GIRL! how did Saber get married... I kinda thought she loved Shirou... Like only him you know what i mean? Ok I guess... that would show up in the visual novel huh? SO Fate/Stay Night with Realta Nua isnt a visual novel?
I got a link that says i can download though..

insan3soldiern said:


I'm not sure what you mean. Fate/stay night with the Realta Nua patch is still very much a visual novel. All it does is add voices (except for sex scenes), new music tracks, and added effects. Oh, and there is an extra ending that you get for Saber that requires quite a bit of work.

belatkuro said:
So basically this thread is a beginner's guide to the VN with tons of spoilers about it.
Okaaayy....

Carry on.

belatkuro said:
So basically this thread is a beginner's guide to the VN with tons of spoilers about it.
Okaaayy....

Carry on.

belatkuro said:
So basically this thread is a beginner's guide to the VN with tons of spoilers about it.
Okaaayy....

Carry on.

insan3soldiern said:


Yeah, I was getting that feeling too. This thread is very, very spoilerific. I tried to avoid spoilers as much as possible, but I'm afraid I'm not innocent either.

MissileSoup said:

A topic asking questions about the ending is obviously bound to be full of spoilers. There's no reason to avoid spoilers to the Fate route. The OP should really just go play the VN if he's so interested in the story, before asking these questions

silver_gospel said:

So making sure...Fate/ stay night is the novel itself, and Realta Nua itself is just a patch... i c...

Leon-Gun said:
BTW, I don't think we even need much knowledge about Fate to know the Arturia questions. Save for the genderbending of Arthur into Arturia by the writer and the further changes this creates (like an alternate explanation for Mordred, King Arthur's son) everything else is basically more or less similar to the King Arthur legend. This includes thngs like Arthur's obsession with the Grail, his loss of the Sword in the Stone, the betrayal of Lancelot and Guinevere (Arthur's Queen-consort), Morgan la-fay's,Arthur's half-sister, conceiving Arthur's child. And Arthur's incestually-conceived son, Mordred, leading a rebellion and dying at Arthur's hand (not before mortally wounding Arthur). Even the last scene of Fate, where Bedivere returns Excalubur to the Lady of the Lake, is a very well known part of the myth.
And on further looking, I think I see where Caliburn comes. Caliburn is the original name for Excalibur before the name was mistranslated through the years, yet in F/SN it is used to name the Sword in the Stone. Funny that.

And btw, the less you want to know how Morgan managed to get pregnant from Arturia the better. That particular detail is so...futa-related. xD

silver_gospel said:
I'm gonna download VN after i finish restoring my pc since it got infected by this retarded Fake Anti-Virus... so this game im assuming is fun and will take a while. xD just what i need to kill time. Also you guys are a great help xD THX!

Still feel weepy that Saber disappeared, i really hate the ending... even after 24 hours.... :'(

Jeez... fate stay night is really confusing without the visual novel...

Ok again, thx for the help, i got my better understanding of Fate stay night

Btw... you know how in Unlimited Blade Works, archer reveals that he's Shirou's ideal wat so eva. Any ways he used that ideal and became what he is now... So basically he won't exist withot SHirou right? So why did he say he fought many people and protect many people but regretted it... Shouldn't he not even be living without Shirou's imagination? Or is he just another spirit that has no form and just decided to take that ideal and created Archer...

Ok so the UBW, archer is fake wat so eva, but if hes like made from Shirou's ideal then it wouldn't make any sense in The anime... does that mean that his identity is differ from UBW and the anime?

Sry, the question didnt make alot of sense, but i tried my best... XD

Leon-Gun said:
Nah, let's put it more clear. He is Emiya Shirou, but not the current Emiya Shirou. Heroic Spirits/Counter Guardians can be from the past, present or future. Archer EMIYA comes from a future where Emiya Shirou died and became a Guardian Heroic Spirit. Thus, he's Emiya Shirou, just not the current Emiya Shirou. an Emiya Shirou from a future time.

Like I said, the whole :I became the ideal" thing is mere sophistry from Archer. He's just trying to make his speech sound cool. He's Emiya SHirou, nothing else.

Leon-Gun said:
Nah, let's put it more clear. He is Emiya Shirou, but not the current Emiya Shirou. Heroic Spirits/Counter Guardians can be from the past, present or future. Archer EMIYA comes from a future where Emiya Shirou died and became a Guardian Heroic Spirit. Thus, he's Emiya Shirou, just not the current Emiya Shirou. an Emiya Shirou from a future time.

Like I said, the whole :I became the ideal" thing is mere sophistry from Archer. He's just trying to make his speech sound cool. He's Emiya SHirou, nothing else.

Leon-Gun said:
Nah, let's put it more clear. He is Emiya Shirou, but not the current Emiya Shirou. Heroic Spirits/Counter Guardians can be from the past, present or future. Archer EMIYA comes from a future where Emiya Shirou died and became a Guardian Heroic Spirit. Thus, he's Emiya Shirou, just not the current Emiya Shirou. an Emiya Shirou from a future time.

Like I said, the whole :I became the ideal" thing is mere sophistry from Archer. He's just trying to make his speech sound cool. He's Emiya SHirou, nothing else.

Leon-Gun said:
Archer doesn't have a Noble Phantasm no. His swords are all fakes. He has a Reality Marble which is "considered" his Noble Phantasm (Unlimited Blade Works). I'd say something like "his body isn't literally made out of swords" but I guess he literally has Avalon mixed with his body and his body does turn into metal blades when injured so yeah, it's complicated and all that.

ideoidiom said:
You don't have an external harddrive? FSN doesn't need to be 'installed', as long as you have all the system files in a folder. Unless you're worried that a virus might transfer to your new computer or whatever.

Leon-Gun said:
Archer doesn't have a Noble Phantasm no. His swords are all fakes. He has a Reality Marble which is "considered" his Noble Phantasm (Unlimited Blade Works). I'd say something like "his body isn't literally made out of swords" but I guess he literally has Avalon mixed with his body and his body does turn into metal blades when injured so yeah, it's complicated and all that.

ideoidiom said:
Leon is the master. =)
I guess I really missed a lot of details when I skimmed through it.

Leon have you played Tsukihime?

Leon-Gun said:
...and Plus Disc and Kagetsu Tohya. I've also played Melty Blood. as well as played a bit of what's been translated of Hollow Ataraxia. I've also read around for extra info since a lot of details are actually added in Character Material and stuff like that.

silver_gospel said:

can you find Character Material in Wikipedia?

ideoidiom said:
So is Tsukihime any good? Well, using FSN as a benchmark. I find it hard to process the outdated art and the lack of voice acting, but if the story is any epic, I'd give it a try.

ideoidiom said:

What's your favourite route in Tsukihime?? (Is there one that doesn't involve vampirism?) I'm thinking of playing only Akiha, Kohaku, and Arcueid, in that order.

belatkuro said:
You cant play it in that order. The 5 routes are grouped in 2 sides, Near Side and Far Side. Near Side is Arc and Ciel, Far Side is the Tohno residents.
You have to finish one Near Side first before you can play the Far Side and Kohaku's route will only be unlocked after Hisui's. So yeah.
My favorite route has to be Arcueid's.

ideoidiom said:
I'm downloading a saved file. I don't feel like playing Ciel and the srs maid. Unless they have spoilers, of course (do they?), but I've been told that their routes branch off early and are pretty distinct.

insan3soldiern said:


I don't know if I'd recommend this, Ciel's route was good. Really good, in fact, and I'm no fan of her character. I think every route is more or less necessary, as they expand on the world of Tsukihime. Also, Hisui's route is one of the ones I alluded to when i was mentioning the routes I *heard* were the best in the title. With Kohaku being the other.

Anyway, of the three routes I've read (Arcueid, Ciel, and Akiha) I'd probably go with Akiha's as my favorite. I just liked how it focused on the Tohno family it felt very, I dunno, personal. Oh, and every route seems to deal with Vampirism in some capacity.

Leon-Gun said:
They do, but the Tohno were more supernatural in general than just vampires. Akiha was my favorite heroine but Hisui's route is indeed very good, although you have to be ready for some "non-action" parts. It's more about backstory than action in her route.

Also, something I forgot to say, if you play Tsukihime, the suggested way to play it is: Arcueid-Ciel-Akiha-Hisui-Kohaku. You need to play either Arcueid or Ciel to unlock AKiha/Hisui but Ciel spoils almost ALL of Arcueid's route. and in the case of Akiha/Hisui, Hisui spoils most of the secrets of the Akiha route and you can't play Kohaku unless you play Hisui's.