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Yumekichi11 said: I am assuming that either Archer is up to something or it's something else that most likely may surprise me but usually if assassin is really dead than I don't see any other explanation than Archer up to something. He made it really obvious from the first chat on how dissatisfied he is with his current master and how interested he is in Kirei. He implyied it from the first second he talked to him. The talks between those two characters are what saves each one from their usual blandness and makes them interesting to me :) |
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| What the usually the discussion threads for each episode would fill up with a BUNCH of posts. Seriously spooky that nothing is happening at the moment. |
| Another dialogue-filled episode. So it's possible to retain your command seals back even if you have no servant. Need to know more about this Holy Grail. |
| so next season, we expect mass killing spree of every characters right? |
gamerguy50 said: episode was kinda boring, the chats are fine and all especially from the episode before this, but the giglaxkotomine and saberxiris chats were blah-ish Actually, this dialogue was necessary in my opinion for what's going to happen and is giving you a good idea of what Gilgamesh is plotting. All this dialogue and the Chessboard was a Huge hint for the viewer. All we knew for FSN and F/Z so far is that Gilgamesh is a bad ass with overwhelming ego. It's good to know more about this character. Good episode! Kiritsugu made a 'kind of' good recap of the situation of everyone. Good that he considered Lancer having a new Master so he's prepare to it. I love how they all consider Berserker's master isn't a threat but his servant seems good so it's best to leave him be for now. Berserker was Epic in his fight with Gilgamesh in some of the previous episode ! *-* Speaking of Gilgamesh... This discussion was awesome and telling us so much ! The pieces on his chessboard were telling us so much, actually... First, he's saying he's got something else of interest what is he holding ? The Chess pieces of a dude with a Sword as Saber ! This is nothing new tho since he made that pretty clear in the previous episode and was also obsess with her in FSN. But after that... Watching Gilgamesh tossing the 'Tokiomi' Chess Pieces like that was priceless. Like that, Shameless !  It's pretty much like... 'I won't have a master and you won't have a Servant, let's make a team !' Gilgamesh is awesome. He's not happy with his current master so why stay stuck with him !? Tokiomi is clueless. He doesn't think Kirei have any interest even 'secret' in the war and he's not aware that Gilgamesh is ready to toss him aside. Looks like he was ready to make a move in the beginning of the show tho. I can't wait to see how this turn out. Gilgamesh is being one of the most interesting character with Kirei. Already knew Tokiomi was going to die (Watching FSN tells you this much lol) but I'm starting to wonder how he is going to die... and it's probably going to happen soon at this rate. I'm also thinking that Kirei and Gil might have something to do with it. Can't wait until I have some answer ! =) Really getting interesting ! Shame it's the end of the season already =( |
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| Another top-tier episode. Gilgamesh and Kirei's conversations are definitely some of the most satisfying things I've ever seen. I actually liked this episode better than last week's. Sounds like the beginning of the Caster battle next week and that should end with an amazing cliffhanger. |
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Thess said: Synoptic said: Archer says this (not his exact words but exact in meaning): "There are no servants available for you to take so, you must STEAL one." He then proceeds to pick up a piece from the board. Not only that. See which Master's piece he had knocked down the board? Gilgamesh's so shameless with his unsubtle self-promotion. Was wondering if anyone else noticed the piece knocked down |
Merciless said: Thess said: Synoptic said: Archer says this (not his exact words but exact in meaning): "There are no servants available for you to take so, you must STEAL one." He then proceeds to pick up a piece from the board. Not only that. See which Master's piece he had knocked down the board? Gilgamesh's so shameless with his unsubtle self-promotion. Was wondering if anyone else noticed the piece knocked down Heheh, I did. Anyways, another good episode as always. |
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| Great episode building up the season finale of Fate\Zero. The long dialogue between Gilgamesh and Kotomine Kirei made the episode. Big things are going to happen between them, that's for sure. This is one of the reasons I just love Gilgamesh's badass attitude and intelligent. Totally messing up Kirei's head. Seeing the Command Spell appear on his hand again was indeed expected, cause Kirei isn't done entirely yet. Loved the Store room scene in this episode, where a certain summoning forever enchanted the place from the beginning. I wonder if Irisviel will do a proper clean up to the house. Hmm. Seeing the preview, some heavy stuff will going to happen that will wrap up the season with one giant cliffhanger. Then we will have to wait until the Spring Season starts for us to enjoy the 2nd season! |
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| Good to see the future Emiya household - though it looks like it could use some cleaning. The dialogues are tense and intriguing as always. Can't wait to see what the next, final episode of the season, will bring. Should be exciting. |
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ElementSponge said: What the usually the discussion threads for each episode would fill up with a BUNCH of posts. Seriously spooky that nothing is happening at the moment. Wait for those guys that read light novel to come here...they'll fill the space :P |
| Oh mai Gilgamesh. You actually got solid screentime this episode. Go figure it'd be the second to last episode for this season, though. |
| Im slightly confused... Assassins all dead, but in the OP we see Saber fight one of them. Was this a load of crap? |
Kratos_Ortega said: Great episode building up the season finale of FateZero. The long dialogue between Gilgamesh and Kotomine Kirei made the episode. Big things are going to happen between them, that's for sure. This is one of the reasons I just love Gilgamesh's badass attitude and intelligent. Totally messing up Kirei's head. Seeing the Command Spell appear on his hand again was indeed expected, cause Kirei isn't done entirely yet. He's not just messing with his head. He truly likes Kirei and finds him interesting. He's pretty polite and thoughtful in how he interacts with him (informal, but not rude for Gil's standards). He discusses things and never dismisses him. He willingly (and without whining about it) spends his time with him and seems to enjoy himself in his company. Also (for Fate/Zero Ending) mad_man said: Im slightly confused... Assassins all dead, but in the OP we see Saber fight one of them. Was this a load of crap? It's an opening... |
| 3 main point in this episode assassin really dead iris move to shirou fsn house kirei got command spell |
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kamina99 said: Agreed. Easily one of the more intelligent and interesting dialogues I've witnessed.great episode, no fighting, but giglamesh's talk with kirei was really interesting. VioLink said: I concur.You would think they would give us a build up episode before the last of the season. |
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| it was good for a info/ build up ep. |
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| Like everyone else, I really liked the dialogue between Gil and Kirei. Using the chess pieces to illustrate Gil's points was a nice touch. I also liked seeing the very, very familiar house that Saber and Irisviel moved to. Really cool scene. |
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Thess said: Yup, it's s as you say. And Gil isn't messing with Kirei's head at all. Gil got interested in Kirei "because" he was already funny in the head as you would say. Kirei is a good example of not believing what you preach. He actually knows exactly what brings him pleasure but he dismisses it because of what he's been taught. That's why Gil pressures him to not see pleasure with a narrow mind.Kratos_Ortega said: Great episode building up the season finale of FateZero. The long dialogue between Gilgamesh and Kotomine Kirei made the episode. Big things are going to happen between them, that's for sure. This is one of the reasons I just love Gilgamesh's badass attitude and intelligent. Totally messing up Kirei's head. Seeing the Command Spell appear on his hand again was indeed expected, cause Kirei isn't done entirely yet. He's not just messing with his head. He truly likes Kirei and finds him interesting. He's pretty polite and thoughtful in how he interacts with him (informal, but not rude for Gil's standards). He discusses things and never dismisses him. He willingly (and without whining about it) spends his time with him and seems to enjoy himself in his company. Also (for Fate/Zero Ending) As other mentioned, the chessboard with the seven servants was a good way of very precisely hinting what all of us Fate fans already know. In a very non-specific way he basically said "Just kill Tokiomi and I'll join you since you won't find anyone better than me". |
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| Gil's conversation with Kotomine was terrifying and ominous. Shit is going to go down, and what's sad is that we will have to wait until the spring season to witness it all. Gah! |
| Gilgamesh certainly is an evil little King of Heroes. And Saber coming to Shiro's future house was pretty nice too. |
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| That conversation was at the end was intense. I had to watch the last minute or so of it a couple of times because Gilgamesh is awesome. When it fades into his eyes...pretty powerful and creepy. Decent and necessary info episode all the way through. |
Llama765 said: Decent and necessary info episode all the way through. Agreed. I think the whole show "enjoyability" is about making you care for the characters. If you don't care that much about Iri/Saber or Gil/Kirei, than the episode was boring. But with Rin as the exception, most talks in all episodes matter for the plot. The people REALLY frustrated with the anime seems to be the ones who read the novel and wanted every dialog to make it, not so much the need-more-action folks. |
| It was a fascinating episode and I was engrossed all throughout. Gil and Kirei's conversation was so carefully constructed, I lost myself in it, and had to re-watch it two more times! Finally a servant is defeated! I wonder what happened to the Caster hunt? And, in the end, when Gil picks up one of the chess pieces...does that mean that Kirei wil take Lancer from Kayneth's wife?! Cant wait for the next episode! And cant believe that the next one is the last....spring seems so far away... |
| Emiya's house is the new base of Iresviel this explains why Saber became the servant of Emiya in Fate/Stay night that magic cycle was the one from Iresviel. Things are starting to come together and there are becoming more interesting. I wonder how Kirei got that mark and what his new objectives will be. |
| Nice episode. I liked the talk between Kirei and Archer, it was good to see Kirei being dragged off his usual self, now I'm just expecting for next week :) |
| Man that Gil's speech was epic, it was like the whisper of the devil into kirei's ears lol. And it's nice to see how Shirou's house looked like when it was first bought. |
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OS_Christina706 said: And, in the end, when Gil picks up one of the chess pieces...does that mean that Kirei wil take Lancer from Kayneth's wife?! No. He was holding the 'Archer' piece and dismiss the piece that should be his real master; Tokiomi. He's actually saying that Kirei should get rid of Tokiomi and take himself, Gilgamesh as his new servant. |
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Bouum said: OS_Christina706 said: And, in the end, when Gil picks up one of the chess pieces...does that mean that Kirei wil take Lancer from Kayneth's wife?! No. He was holding the 'Archer' piece and dismiss the piece that should be his real master; Tokiomi. He's actually saying that Kirei should get rid of Tokiomi and take himself, Gilgamesh as his new servant. Ahhh I wondering what was the true meaning behind Archers speech after Kirei got his command seals back. But if he has his command seals tho, he must already have a servant tho. Also Im worried Irisviel. She's lost her sense of touch. |
NightzXIII said: Ahhh I wondering what was the true meaning behind Archers speech after Kirei got his command seals back. But if he has his command seals tho, he must already have a servant tho. Doesn't seems that way. All the servant in the Grail War at this moment have a Master and Assassin is dead. He's having the Command Seal because the Grail wants him the fight again in the War. That's the point of Gilgamesh saying that he have to 'steal' a Servant from someone to keep on fighting. He have the Command Seal to command a servant but he doesn't have the servant YET ! ;) He need a good servant because he needs to win to find what his goal is... At First, he had no goal but Gilgamesh pretty much made one for him. Good Manipulation. But it's not only that. Gil seems to really 'like' Kirei somehow but he dislike Tokiomi. Look like the whole thing is going the way Gilgamesh wants it to go... =) |
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riesza said: He did use Iri's circle as a makeshift summoninc circle, which is partly why his link to Saber came out incomplete. But yeah, he summoned Saber because of both Avalon and because his ideals are just as foolish and self-destroying as hers. They're both beings that killed themselves (or in case of Shirou had nothing anymore) and submerged on the ideal of helping others no matter what.Aversa said: Emiya's house is the new base of Iresviel this explains why Saber became the servant of Emiya in Fate/Stay night that magic cycle was the one from Iresviel. Things are starting to come together and there are becoming more interesting. I wonder how Kirei got that mark and what his new objectives will be. It's because of Avalon, not because of the magic circle. |
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| Dude, i feel cheated! All of the Fate/Zero episodes so far felt like they were a few minutes long xD Oh God, it's going to be a painful season of waiting, but alas i'll have to satisfy myself with the New Prince of Tennis or something remotely close to the epicness of F/Z. Okay, i know you guys are gonna hate me for this , but the Gil/Kirei scene was just... my first thought was 'And here come the fanart', okay i lied it was the seond thought , the first being : 'Eeeep Gilgamesh! I love this guy'. And when Gil said : ''Now you must steal a Servant (...)'' i could almost HEAR him saying something along the lines of ''So, come and steal me Kirei'' xDDD Yeah, and Archer didn't pick up a chess piece that was an actual Archer figure on purpose or anything.... |
xAwakeAlivex said: Okay, i know you guys are gonna hate me for this , but the Gil/Kirei scene was just... my first thought was 'And here come the fanart', okay i lied it was the seond thought , the first being : 'Eeeep Gilgamesh! I love this guy'. And when Gil said : ''Now you must steal a Servant (...)'' i could almost HEAR him saying something along the lines of ''So, come and steal me Kirei'' xDDD Yeah, and Archer didn't pick up a chess piece that was an actual Archer figure on purpose or anything.... Why would anyone? Both Gilgamesh and Alexander the Great are pretty famous figures in the homosexual community (before Fate, I mean the epic/historical versions) because of their bisexuality (leaning on the homoromances side). Heck, Saber herself was married to a woman. The fanart has been increased thousandfold about the came since that talk of pleasure while Gilgamesh used the symbolism of that glass strategically placed between Kirei's legs in episode 6. It wasn't accidental... You should be glad he didn't make those "aaah" pleased noises with the wine like he did in the CD drama... that was so borderline erotic. |
DraconisMarch said: kamina99 said: Agreed. Easily one of the more intelligent and interesting dialogues I've witnessed.great episode, no fighting, but giglamesh's talk with kirei was really interesting. It's nice to agree with you sometimes. :) Awesome episode, hopefully we get an incredible cliffhanger next week lol xD |
| It will be nice to make the last ep 1hour long like Code Geass(although that was just 2 ep combined). Oh, and a different Op and Ed, not that the current one is bad. These changes will make the last one excellent, but too bad it wont happen. |
| "Why do I always realize it... when I've already lost it..." -Guts, Berserk "Some things are beautiful because they cannot be obtained." -Gilgamesh, Fate/stay night "We are constantly living in a peaceful world that somebody else won for us. Even if it were only a day of peace, I will be grateful for its value." - Minashiro Tsubaki, FAFNER "Screw you, future me!" -Makise Kurisu, Steins;Gate "We used to show off by waging wars and whatnot." -Watashi, Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita "Call me Moses. I'm going to part the sea of students before your eyes." -Moses?, Valvrave "Time is guilty." -Andō & Tomoyo, INOU-Battle |
| So once again, having seen the sheer quality that Ufotable put into this series, can I ask that they do a remake of FSN? It just doesn't make sense that the prequel is so outshining the main series... |
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rodac said: So once again, having seen the sheer quality that Ufotable put into this series, can I ask that they do a remake of FSN? It just doesn't make sense that the prequel is so outshining the main series... My dream is for them to do Heaven's Feel. It'll be the perfect sequel for Zero (since it's closer in mood and darkness and has a more sensical resolution for Kiristugu's ideals in Shirou). |
| Not going to comment about the cuts. Though they didnt bother me as much in this episode as they did last episode. But anyways, the highlights of this episode for me was Gil and the chessboard ^^ Gotta admit though: the last part (with them showing Gil's eye) was a pretty powerful scene. One more episode until we have to wait till April for the 2nd part >_> |
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sallym613 said: Not going to comment about the cuts. Though they didnt bother me as much in this episode as they did last episode. The cuts didn't bother me because they added that chessboard of symbolism to convey the same. Now that's how they should adapt stuff to get it less dense in an anime and have impact. |
| Episode kinda confused me on the whole servant/master thing now. F/S Night gave me the impression that masters kept their command spell when their servant died. :o |
Day2Dream said: Episode kinda confused me on the whole servant/master thing now. F/S Night gave me the impression that masters kept their command spell when their servant died. :o They do. Kirei's the son of the moderator, he could have his removed (also, he can remove command spells). Until the Holy Grail trolled him. |
ernst said: It will be nice to make the last ep 1hour long like Code Geass(although that was just 2 ep combined). Oh, and a different Op and Ed, not that the current one is bad. These changes will make the last one excellent, but too bad it wont happen. You think their OP/ED is bad? I understand your opinion but they're the best combination that I've heard, other than Puella Magi Madoka Magica. Not only that, the animation fits well. Also, I don't think they were disappointed with how the OP/ED turned out considering it both made it into the top 10 charts of 2011 within a week of their release. You can check it the top ranks for 2011 in the news section. |
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-Mika said: ernst said: It will be nice to make the last ep 1hour long like Code Geass(although that was just 2 ep combined). Oh, and a different Op and Ed, not that the current one is bad. These changes will make the last one excellent, but too bad it wont happen. You think their OP/ED is bad? I understand your opinion but they're the best combination that I've heard, other than Puella Magi Madoka Magica. Not only that, the animation fits well. Also, I don't think they were disappointed with how the OP/ED turned out considering it both made it into the top 10 charts of 2011 within a week of their release. You can check it the top ranks for 2011 in the news section. I believed I mentioned their not bad, but since it will be the last for the season it will be nice to have some changes. For example: continued version of OP song(like in 2nd part Gurren Lagann), giving Caster more scene in the OP(he has played a lot of parts and seems to be the focus of last ep). Just to give it a more "finale" feeling. |
| "Why do I always realize it... when I've already lost it..." -Guts, Berserk "Some things are beautiful because they cannot be obtained." -Gilgamesh, Fate/stay night "We are constantly living in a peaceful world that somebody else won for us. Even if it were only a day of peace, I will be grateful for its value." - Minashiro Tsubaki, FAFNER "Screw you, future me!" -Makise Kurisu, Steins;Gate "We used to show off by waging wars and whatnot." -Watashi, Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita "Call me Moses. I'm going to part the sea of students before your eyes." -Moses?, Valvrave "Time is guilty." -Andō & Tomoyo, INOU-Battle |
| Yet another interesting conversation between Kotomine and Archer; It makes me wonder who is the master that Archer hinted Kotomine should kill so he can use their servant. Looking forward to the "last" episode; i wonder how they are gonna stop it, probably some form of cliffhanger :(. |
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