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Dec 15, 2011 2:04 PM

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...awesome. I always thought Miu was the cutest out of all the girls IMO.
 
Dec 15, 2011 2:34 PM

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Maybe the next episode Shingo will have a Affair xD, being the Lad he is shoudn't be a problem. Then have a open ending or Drama at the end :L, yep just watched School Days go figure :L

More Harem's should look at this show and think a harem ending SUCKS ! :)
 
Dec 15, 2011 2:53 PM

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im glad it didn't turn out to be harem, im so sick of those harem endings where its undecided or they all just share the guy, this anime is proof that a harem ending isn't always the best ending and you can make a perfectly good ending without a harem
 
Dec 15, 2011 3:03 PM

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At this point, I want to see a hentai OVA version of this show.

Hell, that's what "Princess Lover" did.
And, that was the ONLY thing that saved me after watch THAT series!!
But if they did that, he'd need to go SUPER-PIMPIN' in that one!!!
(Either that or go all BAD END like most hentai.)
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Yeah...I watch hentai!
Blame my ex-girlfriend for that one!!
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Too Much ANIME......Not enough LIFETIME!!!!!!
 
Dec 15, 2011 3:11 PM

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I am not pleased with the ending we got. I very rarely care in these seemingly generic VN adaptations but this one I really enjoyed and I hate to see it end this way. Oh well...I guess that's that. Bravo to Manglobe for implying something though...I didn't think we'd get that in this show.

However, it did bring back the fun of a good shipping war. It's been quite a while since I've cared about one of those.
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Dec 15, 2011 3:14 PM

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FifthAveSensei said:
At this point, I want to see a hentai OVA version of this show.

Hell, that's what "Princess Lover" did.
And, that was the ONLY thing that saved me after watch THAT series!!
But if they did that, he'd need to go SUPER-PIMPIN' in that one!!!
(Either that or go all BAD END like most hentai.)
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Yeah...I watch hentai!
Blame my ex-girlfriend for that one!!


Your ex taught you well and I do want a H-OVA of this.

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I am not pleased with the ending we got. I very rarely care in these seemingly generic VN adaptations but this one I really enjoyed and I hate to see it end this way. Oh well...I guess that's that. Bravo to Manglobe for implying something though...I didn't think we'd get that in this show.

However, it did bring back the fun of a good shipping war. It's been quite a while since I've cared about one of those.


Miu wasn't my first choice but it made the anime turn out better than I thought, an average VN with a slightly above average anime adaptation.


 
Dec 15, 2011 4:18 PM

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Lmfao, dat script. I swear.
 
Dec 15, 2011 5:15 PM

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Miu is such a whore.
JK, DON'T HURT ME.
 
Dec 15, 2011 5:16 PM

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Wow that i didnt really think they'd actually do it.~

hahaha
Also whenever i see a huge rant i think yumekichi =D

 
Dec 15, 2011 5:23 PM

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or they all just share the guy


How is that not the best ending? Pimpin ain't easy, and should be praised when accomplished...
 
Dec 15, 2011 6:26 PM

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Tenchi_Ryu said:
kamikaze_1996 said:
or they all just share the guy


How is that not the best ending? Pimpin ain't easy, and should be praised when accomplished...


Looked pretty easy for him from where I'm standing!!
But, like most guys in harem animes, he didn't even HAVE A F***ING CLUE the girls were HOT & BOTHERED over him!!
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OK....I admit I'm JEALOUS!!
But, I least I'm admitting it!!!
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Dec 15, 2011 7:32 PM

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I was watcing this, thinking "I'm gonna be so disappointed when they don't do it."

And then...

I wasn't.
 
Dec 15, 2011 7:36 PM

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The friendship of Airi and Sana (along with the maid and the little sister) has been better than Miu and Shingo.
 
Dec 15, 2011 7:56 PM

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Shingo got dat ass.
 
Dec 15, 2011 9:27 PM

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I like how last episode the discussion was all about emotion and drama and this episode has deteriorated into the last 30 seconds of assumed sex, for the most part...

But, I'm also on the lonely boat of finding more joy out of watching hugging, kissing, and "assumptions" then actually seeing sex. Given what people have said who have gone through the VN, I think they went as far as they could, given the overall tone of the show. Tasteful and got the message across...obviously.

Wish they would end the series here instead of the semi filler episode which should be an OVA instead of the finale. But, maybe it will be more than what we assume it to be. Doubt it.
 
Dec 15, 2011 9:31 PM
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prismheart said:
The friendship of Airi and Sana (along with the maid and the little sister) has been better than Miu and Shingo.


This isn't exactly the deepest of characterizing shows so it makes sense that a deconstructed tsundere and the only other partially developed character interacting would be more interesting than the rest. You've seen them grow, suffer, and develop over the course of the show. Comparatively, your two romantic leads are about as well-rounded as cubes stuck in peg holes and have evolved as much in 11-episodes as a slug has progressed in crossing the Sahara, that is to say they haven't. At all.

A large part of the charm of this show, to its boon or detriment, is that its supporting cast has proven to be brilliant and the real driving force of the story. This is simply how the scenes and times were handled, with much of your first half devoted to Airi, and your second to Sana, and it is their changes that drove the plot. Your main characters, on the other hand, have remained static and their interactions are dependent on others, but not each other, to hold meaning. Shingo and Miu interacting is more or less Shingo helping female-Shingo, or Miu being helped by male-Miu. They are far too similar (read: identical) to really create any sort of interesting or contrasting dynamic which tends to grab people's attention or shake the proverbial cage to get the plot moving. Shingo and Miu together, as we saw this episode, don't really amount to much more than blushes, ass, and sex, and the actual fruit of the episode was everything else.

The cat metaphor really is accurate, aside from color they are identical.
 
Dec 15, 2011 9:38 PM

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Venats said:
prismheart said:
The friendship of Airi and Sana (along with the maid and the little sister) has been better than Miu and Shingo.


This isn't exactly the deepest of characterizing shows so it makes sense that a deconstructed tsundere and the only other partially developed character interacting would be more interesting than the rest. You've seen them grow, suffer, and develop over the course of the show. Comparatively, your two romantic leads are about as well-rounded as cubes stuck in peg holes and have evolved as much in 11-episodes as a slug has progressed in crossing the Sahara, that is to say they haven't. At all.

A large part of the charm of this show, to its boon or detriment, is that its supporting cast has proven to be brilliant and the real driving force of the story. This is simply how the scenes and times were handled, with much of your first half devoted to Airi, and your second to Sana, and it is their changes that drove the plot. Your main characters, on the other hand, have remained static and their interactions are dependent on others, but not each other, to hold meaning. Shingo and Miu interacting is more or less Shingo helping female-Shingo, or Miu being helped by male-Miu. They are far too similar (read: identical) to really create any sort of interesting or contrasting dynamic which tends to grab people's attention or shake the proverbial cage to get the plot moving. Shingo and Miu together, as we saw this episode, don't really amount to much more than blushes, ass, and sex, and the actual fruit of the episode was everything else.

The cat metaphor really is accurate, aside from color they are identical.


Damn that is pretty right on when you think about it. That is one of the reasons why I was disappointed in the Miu arc getting the green light. There was a lot more development/quality time dedicated to characters like Airi and Sana. I as well found the episodes or segments focusing on, as you call, the supporting cast to be much more appealing than Shingo-Miu interaction. But to each their own I suppose.
 
Dec 15, 2011 9:43 PM

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I really wanted Miu x Shingo, but I felt sorry about Sana...
Still, nice ending for an anime
 
Dec 15, 2011 9:56 PM
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Never thought Miu has such a nice rack. Never knew she's quite bold. Started thinking dirty after the club room scene with Shingo and Miu.

This ep alone bumped the score for this show by a whole point for me. H-ova pretty please? ;D
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Dec 15, 2011 10:42 PM

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I'm not going to ship one way or the other, but I have mixed feelings about this conclusion. Half-way through the series, I thought Miu was the cutest of the girls, and was actually hoping for a Miu ending, but the way we got there didn't feel right at all. If the producers had resolved Sana's relationship with Shingo before he declared his love for Miu, then this ending could have been a happy one, at least. Instead, we are left with the sour aftertaste of a sad conclusion to an unrequited love. :(

Turns out, Sana may have become my favorite character of this show. At least when compared to everyone else, she actually had some character development. I'm so glad that Airi was there for her when she most needed comfort, and I'm also glad that she was able to move forward after everything she went through.

I know the producers cannot aim to please everyone, but at least I wish they had handled the events properly, because, even for Miu fans, I'm sure this ending feels more sad than happy. Given the events, a Sana ending would have been the happier one.
 
Dec 15, 2011 11:22 PM

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I was really hoping for Airi, I loved her route the most in game..
This really left me with uneasy and bad feelings.
 
Dec 15, 2011 11:42 PM

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at first i thought the girls in their winter outfits looked hawt..but then dat butt grab & more happened, i can honestly say i can live with this ending but of all people wasn't expecting miu to be so into it lol.

Geegee to everyone else for getting over it and moving on i agree i think that was the focus of this episode
 
Dec 15, 2011 11:42 PM

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Kaeyuki said:
I was really hoping for Airi, I loved her route the most in game..
This really left me with uneasy and bad feelings.

I agree. Wanted it to be Shingo and Airi T_T
Producers y u no choose good route?
Even a side story/OVA featuring her route would be great
 
Dec 16, 2011 1:49 AM

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I didn't like Sana at first, but the combination of her and Airi in this episode was just an exceptional watch. Miu x Shingo was just boring to watch, there's really nothing that interesting in that relationship personally. It's just pure lovey-dovey, that's all there is to it. A really flat relationship and not much else to it.

This episode only made me fall for Airi even harder. She was, personally, the most interesting character right from the start and to see her character possess even more depth (especially when she was trying to support Sana when no one else bothered to catch on what was happening), alongside with the rest of the female cast (save Miu) just fills me with hope that deep, fleshed-out characters can still be created and developed in such a phenomenal way.

To be fair, I'm not really angry about this ending so much more that I'm merely disappointed; I think pretty much any one of the other characters deserved that spot more than Miu and it would have been interesting to see how they would have handled that. Other than Airi, I would have been interested to see the Sakuno/Angie routes carried out but that's what the VN is for I suppose.

Last episode, please don't be screwy. End it off on a less awkward and more heart-warming tone. Please?
Will I fall in love someday? I wonder?


 
Dec 16, 2011 2:13 AM

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Aww, what a cute episode. <3

I wonder if they actually had sex?
 
Dec 16, 2011 2:38 AM

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I think they might pull a Amagami or Clannad here that an OVA with a different girl or the series goes to the 20s cause no final date has been posted


YES PLEASE!! .. Lol, I feel like unsatisfied if i dont see those girls end up with the main guy.. =/
 
Dec 16, 2011 3:01 AM
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haha thats sweet
 
Dec 16, 2011 3:42 AM

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Easily the best episode so far.I loved to see how much Sana changed positively.

Airi really doesn't seem the same we saw in the first episode,I mean she was all over Shingo now she said that she hasn't fallen in love with anyone seems like her memories are gone away or something like that.
 
Dec 16, 2011 3:56 AM

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haven't seen a kiss scene like that in a while.
 
Dec 16, 2011 5:42 AM

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Easily the best episode so far.I loved to see how much Sana changed positively.

Airi really doesn't seem the same we saw in the first episode,I mean she was all over Shingo now she said that she hasn't fallen in love with anyone seems like her memories are gone away or something like that.


She distanced herself from Shingo to keep her being hurt like Sana. That's what I felt. She was interested in him, but nowhere at Sana level yet.
 
Dec 16, 2011 6:27 AM

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and I'm also glad that she was able to move forward after everything she went through.


Did you miss the line when she said she's going to be foreveralone?
 
Dec 16, 2011 7:43 AM

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I want to play the VN so badly can some translate the VN pls
 
Dec 16, 2011 9:06 AM

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Did you miss the line when she said she's going to be foreveralone?


I guess that depends on each other's definition of moving forward. In my case, the fact that Sana was able to get back to her cheerful form and face Shingo again after what happened is definitely a good sign.

Also, I don't think that saying something like she is going to be alone forever is that serious. It was more of a on the spur of the moment kind of thing. I mean, until this point, Sana and Airi have been in an all-girls high school, so this is the first time they have fallen in love with a guy. Surely they will be able to find another important person in their lives. When I was heartbroken, I thought the same thing, and I'm sure other girls have done the same, but nothing stops us from falling in love again later on, right? ;)
 
Dec 16, 2011 9:47 AM
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Aishia said:
but nothing stops us from falling in love again later on, right? ;)


"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." ;)

(Actually, don't listen to this jaded, bitter old man.)

Hmm. "That scene" everyone seems to be stuck on was for me possibly the least interesting of the episode - yea, all kinds of things were implied; whatever, fill in the blank as you wish (I guess my interest in this show is different from most others). Anyway, while I would have been disappointed had Shingo went with Sana, I do definitely feel that Sana and Airi were the most interesting characters of this show and, possible new stuff in the last episode not withstanding, Sana was the best developed of all the characters. That's why I'm going to watch it again with the subtitles when I get a chance next week.
 
Dec 16, 2011 10:31 AM

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So... The end of that episode was a little surprising. As a female, I enjoy romance and the lovey-dovey, but I'm not gonna lie- that was... unexpected.

<3 I love this anime. It's so good. It's wrapping up so nicely~
 
Dec 16, 2011 11:41 AM

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great episode!!
Setsuna200 said:
I think they might pull a Amagami or Clannad here that an OVA with a different girl or the series goes to the 20s cause no final date has been posted and Maji de has one now and this one had one originally but now its gone so what to think and what to do

that.would.be.great.!!
 
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>implying this was not all planned by manglobe to sell more PSP games.

I mean in japan Sana is the fan favourite, and making Miu's route the canon end in the anime was a way to force her fans to seek out the PSP game since she is the heroine there and has no route in the original PC version. And while checking amazon's current top games...yeah JUST AS PLANNED
 
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>implying this was not all planned by manglobe to sell more PSP games.

I mean in japan Sana is the fan favourite, and making Miu's route the canon end in the anime was a way to force her fans to seek out the PSP game since she is the heroine there and has no route in the original PC version. And while checking amazon's current top games...yeah JUST AS PLANNED
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very smart planning from the directors.
more sales will make more demand for the show to be carried on perhaps who knows
Sana is becoming one of my favs now when she isn't a man hater lol
 
Dec 16, 2011 12:10 PM

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Venats said:
prismheart said:
The friendship of Airi and Sana (along with the maid and the little sister) has been better than Miu and Shingo.


This isn't exactly the deepest of characterizing shows so it makes sense that a deconstructed tsundere and the only other partially developed character interacting would be more interesting than the rest. You've seen them grow, suffer, and develop over the course of the show. Comparatively, your two romantic leads are about as well-rounded as cubes stuck in peg holes and have evolved as much in 11-episodes as a slug has progressed in crossing the Sahara, that is to say they haven't. At all.

A large part of the charm of this show, to its boon or detriment, is that its supporting cast has proven to be brilliant and the real driving force of the story. This is simply how the scenes and times were handled, with much of your first half devoted to Airi, and your second to Sana, and it is their changes that drove the plot. Your main characters, on the other hand, have remained static and their interactions are dependent on others, but not each other, to hold meaning. Shingo and Miu interacting is more or less Shingo helping female-Shingo, or Miu being helped by male-Miu. They are far too similar (read: identical) to really create any sort of interesting or contrasting dynamic which tends to grab people's attention or shake the proverbial cage to get the plot moving. Shingo and Miu together, as we saw this episode, don't really amount to much more than blushes, ass, and sex, and the actual fruit of the episode was everything else.

The cat metaphor really is accurate, aside from color they are identical.


Venats......THANK YOU for being SPOT ON!!
The points you make are ALL of the issues I have with this series!!
Especially your point about the Shingo x Miu route not being well-rounded.
At the start of the show, both characters were enjoyably to watch.
Somehow the writers, in an attempt to re-route the show to get them together,
turned them into a cliched awkward couple that was PAINFUL to watch!!
Even the watching Miu's flirty mother's character made me want to stab my eyes out!!!
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In another post, I said I wanted a Hentai OVA just like the one done for "Princess Lover".
If we are lucky, the writer for that will give Shingo x Miu some emotional depth these writers refused to give them!!!
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Dec 16, 2011 1:24 PM

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FifthAveSensei said:

Venats......THANK YOU for being SPOT ON!!
The points you make are ALL of the issues I have with this series!!
Especially your point about the Shingo x Miu route not being well-rounded.
At the start of the show, both characters were enjoyably to watch.
Somehow the writers, in an attempt to re-route the show to get them together,
turned them into a cliched awkward couple that was PAINFUL to watch!!
Even the watching Miu's flirty mother's character made me want to stab my eyes out!!!
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In another post, I said I wanted a Hentai OVA just like the one done for "Princess Lover".
If we are lucky, the writer for that will give Shingo x Miu some emotional depth these writers refused to give them!!!


Is this how you saw his post? I found his post pointing that Shin and Miu are meant to be together perfectly. The similarities are so big that almost make them pale as characters, so when they are together, you see a perfect bland Mr. & Mrs. Plain couple.

I think it was intentional like that, Shingo being with a bland choice like Miu, while it's perfectly not wrong to do that. But Miu and Shingo being together really brought out the characteristic of Sana and Airi, and the realistic ones at that, and that's why there's a lot of people really appreciate the pairing. Not just only a cute romantic story, but also a melancholic, deep and beautiful maturation between boys and girls, and of course, that lovely friendship as well.
 
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Zavie said:
FifthAveSensei said:

Venats......THANK YOU for being SPOT ON!!
The points you make are ALL of the issues I have with this series!!
Especially your point about the Shingo x Miu route not being well-rounded.
At the start of the show, both characters were enjoyably to watch.
Somehow the writers, in an attempt to re-route the show to get them together,
turned them into a cliched awkward couple that was PAINFUL to watch!!
Even the watching Miu's flirty mother's character made me want to stab my eyes out!!!
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In another post, I said I wanted a Hentai OVA just like the one done for "Princess Lover".
If we are lucky, the writer for that will give Shingo x Miu some emotional depth these writers refused to give them!!!


Is this how you saw his post? I found his post pointing that Shin and Miu are meant to be together perfectly. The similarities are so big that almost make them pale as characters, so when they are together, you see a perfect bland Mr. & Mrs. Plain couple.

I think it was intentional like that, Shingo being with a bland choice like Miu, while it's perfectly not wrong to do that. But Miu and Shingo being together really brought out the characteristic of Sana and Airi, and the realistic ones at that, and that's why there's a lot of people really appreciate the pairing. Not just only a cute romantic story, but also a melancholic, deep and beautiful maturation between boys and girls, and of course, that lovely friendship as well.


Really now?
I'm not disputing the emotional characteristics of Sana and Airi, I'm talking about abandoning the male lead Shingo's character to do so.

To re-quote from his post:
Venats said:
Shingo and Miu together, as we saw this episode, don't really amount to much more than blushes, ass, and sex, and the actual fruit of the episode was everything else.


They should have just focused on Sana and Airi's characters and made this a YURI series!!
They might as well have made and kept Shingo as a secondary character then!

Now that think about it, I had the same concerns about the first episode of "Ga-Rei: Zero".
That really irritated me!!
But, at least they didn't keep that going for half the series and then suddenly change direction!!
That's what I feel they did in this series!!

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My post had little to do with who or what is better paired together as it was merely an analysis on the construction of this show and its characters. If you look at them individually, they are all cookies cut from a convenient and common mold but two of them grew to be something more noticeable from the rest. Whether we like it or not, that was where the character of the development of this show was, in those two characters. Sana is a cookie cut from the modern tsun mold but she grows, falls apart, and learns, Airi is a more classical rendition of the tsun and she underwent similar treatment but not quite to the same extremes. Comparatively, Ange and Sakuno were non-existent, Miu has as much depth as a two-dimensional plane, and Shingo wasn't exactly a complex figure. There were signs or what I'd have thought hints to a bit more depth to Shingo's character when he'd divulged his weakness to Airi, but that never matured into anything, and his character remained static through much of the show.

Hence, we as viewers are more drawn to the two characters that had any real character to them. If you remove bias and favoritism of "I won!" or shipping wars or what have you, I wonder just how many people would genuinely care for any of the other cast in this show. From a personal stand point as I am not about to offer a completely objective analysis and I'd like to thrown my opinion out there, this show's greatest weakness lies in its characterization. It was so lopsided that I was and am truly left without much care for the main characters of the show. You could entirely remove them from the plot, which is an ironic thing to say because that is in a way what the episode did, and I wouldn't bat an eye. If the last episode doesn't even have Shingo or Miu in it, it will probably be as interesting as if it had because they are no longer the center pin around which the plot moves. Sana and Airi were developed around Shingo, and Miu for the former, but without conflict there's no dynamic to make the latter two characters stand out as main characters or even be interesting.

Perhaps the best way to look at this show is not that Shingo and Miu are main characters but that Sana and Airi are the actual main characters, because they have displayed every attribute necessary for the job. Odd to a degree but it makes sense. They could have handled their transitions better from Airi to Sana, without leaving the former in the murky zone of off screen development, but they did a decent enough job. It could have been a far better job, though, and I'm left with a flavor in my mouth that longed for something more to come out of Shingo to really make him standout more as a real character. He really could have been a male lead, in general, of the year if only his character had had a bit more of a dynamic to it but he was ultimately left as a fairly bland character that was more of a plot device around which things moved than an individual person. Whether or not we call the show about Airi and Sana, the fact that Shingo was the only male draws our attention to him more than any other character because he is unique. In this sense, I really do feel that they did a poor job with making him interesting to fit his unique position.

Why any of you are taking what I said to mean either that Miu and Shingo are meant or not meant to be together is a bit beyond the point, and to some degree you're twisting my words.
 
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Venats said:
My post had little to do with who or what is better paired together as it was merely an analysis on the construction of this show and its characters. If you look at them individually, they are all cookies cut from a convenient and common mold but two of them grew to be something more noticeable from the rest. Whether we like it or not, that was where the character of the development of this show was, in those two characters. Sana is a cookie cut from the modern tsun mold but she grows, falls apart, and learns, Airi is a more classical rendition of the tsun and she underwent similar treatment but not quite to the same extremes. Comparatively, Ange and Sakuno were non-existent, Miu has as much depth as a two-dimensional plane, and Shingo wasn't exactly a complex figure. There were signs or what I'd have thought hints to a bit more depth to Shingo's character when he'd divulged his weakness to Airi, but that never matured into anything, and his character remained static through much of the show.

Hence, we as viewers are more drawn to the two characters that had any real character to them. If you remove bias and favoritism of "I won!" or shipping wars or what have you, I wonder just how many people would genuinely care for any of the other cast in this show. From a personal stand point as I am not about to offer a completely objective analysis and I'd like to thrown my opinion out there, this show's greatest weakness lies in its characterization. It was so lopsided that I was and am truly left without much care for the main characters of the show. You could entirely remove them from the plot, which is an ironic thing to say because that is in a way what the episode did, and I wouldn't bat an eye. If the last episode doesn't even have Shingo or Miu in it, it will probably be as interesting as if it had because they are no longer the center pin around which the plot moves. Sana and Airi were developed around Shingo, and Miu for the former, but without conflict there's no dynamic to make the latter two characters stand out as main characters or even be interesting.

Perhaps the best way to look at this show is not that Shingo and Miu are main characters but that Sana and Airi are the actual main characters, because they have displayed every attribute necessary for the job. Odd to a degree but it makes sense. They could have handled their transitions better from Airi to Sana, without leaving the former in the murky zone of off screen development, but they did a decent enough job. It could have been a far better job, though, and I'm left with a flavor in my mouth that longed for something more to come out of Shingo to really make him standout more as a real character. He really could have been a male lead, in general, of the year if only his character had had a bit more of a dynamic to it but he was ultimately left as a fairly bland character that was more of a plot device around which things moved than an individual person. Whether or not we call the show about Airi and Sana, the fact that Shingo was the only male draws our attention to him more than any other character because he is unique. In this sense, I really do feel that they did a poor job with making him interesting to fit his unique position.

Why any of you are taking what I said to mean either that Miu and Shingo are meant or not meant to be together is a bit beyond the point, and to some degree you're twisting my words.


Venats....let me apologize up-front if you feel I twisted your words in ANY way!
I do STILL agree with your point about the shingo & miu pairing as not being well rounded, though!!
I also agree when say that Ange and Sakuno were "non-existent".
That really irritated me!
I really liked Sakuno and wished they had given her more to do in this series.
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FifthAveSensei said:
Venats said:
My post had little to do with who or what is better paired together as it was merely an analysis on the construction of this show and its characters. If you look at them individually, they are all cookies cut from a convenient and common mold but two of them grew to be something more noticeable from the rest. Whether we like it or not, that was where the character of the development of this show was, in those two characters. Sana is a cookie cut from the modern tsun mold but she grows, falls apart, and learns, Airi is a more classical rendition of the tsun and she underwent similar treatment but not quite to the same extremes. Comparatively, Ange and Sakuno were non-existent, Miu has as much depth as a two-dimensional plane, and Shingo wasn't exactly a complex figure. There were signs or what I'd have thought hints to a bit more depth to Shingo's character when he'd divulged his weakness to Airi, but that never matured into anything, and his character remained static through much of the show.

Hence, we as viewers are more drawn to the two characters that had any real character to them. If you remove bias and favoritism of "I won!" or shipping wars or what have you, I wonder just how many people would genuinely care for any of the other cast in this show. From a personal stand point as I am not about to offer a completely objective analysis and I'd like to thrown my opinion out there, this show's greatest weakness lies in its characterization. It was so lopsided that I was and am truly left without much care for the main characters of the show. You could entirely remove them from the plot, which is an ironic thing to say because that is in a way what the episode did, and I wouldn't bat an eye. If the last episode doesn't even have Shingo or Miu in it, it will probably be as interesting as if it had because they are no longer the center pin around which the plot moves. Sana and Airi were developed around Shingo, and Miu for the former, but without conflict there's no dynamic to make the latter two characters stand out as main characters or even be interesting.

Perhaps the best way to look at this show is not that Shingo and Miu are main characters but that Sana and Airi are the actual main characters, because they have displayed every attribute necessary for the job. Odd to a degree but it makes sense. They could have handled their transitions better from Airi to Sana, without leaving the former in the murky zone of off screen development, but they did a decent enough job. It could have been a far better job, though, and I'm left with a flavor in my mouth that longed for something more to come out of Shingo to really make him standout more as a real character. He really could have been a male lead, in general, of the year if only his character had had a bit more of a dynamic to it but he was ultimately left as a fairly bland character that was more of a plot device around which things moved than an individual person. Whether or not we call the show about Airi and Sana, the fact that Shingo was the only male draws our attention to him more than any other character because he is unique. In this sense, I really do feel that they did a poor job with making him interesting to fit his unique position.

Why any of you are taking what I said to mean either that Miu and Shingo are meant or not meant to be together is a bit beyond the point, and to some degree you're twisting my words.


Venats....let me apologize up-front if you feel I twisted your words in ANY way!
I do STILL agree with your point about the shingo & miu pairing as not being well rounded, though!!
I also agree when say that Ange and Sakuno were "non-existent".
That really irritated me!
I really liked Sakuno and wished they had given her more to do in this series.
fifth... there was devloment since the begining of the show for miu and also hints for her win.there was a few hints in the first episodes which make it clear miu win.the first hint is We see him take special notice of Miu in episode 1 the second hint is she's the only girl he blushes about in Episode 2 when recalling his introduction to her the third hint he was start worry about her in episode 5 even here plot was still backround until half-way through episode 6. so they did it a little well
 
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Is it just me or did anyone else not really get into the last kissing scene. I feel like there was no passion or actual love, It just felt bland. Now with the Toradora kissing scene in the end, Now that, THAT was perfect. That truly made me feel happy. Whatever, I thought the series was okay nothing special but i'm not exactly sure what the last episode could be about, I mean Shingo already sealed the deal.

P.S. Whoever hasn't watched Toradora should go watch it all right now.
 
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Tomodachi5 said:
Is it just me or did anyone else not really get into the last kissing scene. I feel like there was no passion or actual love, It just felt bland. Now with the Toradora kissing scene in the end, Now that, THAT was perfect. That truly made me feel happy. Whatever, I thought the series was okay nothing special but i'm not exactly sure what the last episode could be about, I mean Shingo already sealed the deal.

P.S. Whoever hasn't watched Toradora should go watch it all right now.


Yeah my thoughts exactly, there was no passion shown but more like teenage hormones with Miu wanting more and Shingo sealing the deal. The build up for it seemed more forced and awkward than love.

I think the last episode is probably going to give more focus to the side characters as Shingo and Miu are pretty much complete
 
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Tenchi_Ryu said:
kamikaze_1996 said:
or they all just share the guy


How is that not the best ending? Pimpin ain't easy, and should be praised when accomplished...


in real life of course it aint but in the anime world its become a bit cliche, i also hate how they make the girls look like total whores who are crazy for their boy and would even share him just to keep themselves happy, if i was truly in love with someone i wouldn't want to share them with anyone no matter what the circumstances and who i will be sharing with
 
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elior1 said:
FifthAveSensei said:
Venats said:
My post had little to do with who or what is better paired together as it was merely an analysis on the construction of this show and its characters. If you look at them individually, they are all cookies cut from a convenient and common mold but two of them grew to be something more noticeable from the rest. Whether we like it or not, that was where the character of the development of this show was, in those two characters. Sana is a cookie cut from the modern tsun mold but she grows, falls apart, and learns, Airi is a more classical rendition of the tsun and she underwent similar treatment but not quite to the same extremes. Comparatively, Ange and Sakuno were non-existent, Miu has as much depth as a two-dimensional plane, and Shingo wasn't exactly a complex figure. There were signs or what I'd have thought hints to a bit more depth to Shingo's character when he'd divulged his weakness to Airi, but that never matured into anything, and his character remained static through much of the show.

Hence, we as viewers are more drawn to the two characters that had any real character to them. If you remove bias and favoritism of "I won!" or shipping wars or what have you, I wonder just how many people would genuinely care for any of the other cast in this show. From a personal stand point as I am not about to offer a completely objective analysis and I'd like to thrown my opinion out there, this show's greatest weakness lies in its characterization. It was so lopsided that I was and am truly left without much care for the main characters of the show. You could entirely remove them from the plot, which is an ironic thing to say because that is in a way what the episode did, and I wouldn't bat an eye. If the last episode doesn't even have Shingo or Miu in it, it will probably be as interesting as if it had because they are no longer the center pin around which the plot moves. Sana and Airi were developed around Shingo, and Miu for the former, but without conflict there's no dynamic to make the latter two characters stand out as main characters or even be interesting.

Perhaps the best way to look at this show is not that Shingo and Miu are main characters but that Sana and Airi are the actual main characters, because they have displayed every attribute necessary for the job. Odd to a degree but it makes sense. They could have handled their transitions better from Airi to Sana, without leaving the former in the murky zone of off screen development, but they did a decent enough job. It could have been a far better job, though, and I'm left with a flavor in my mouth that longed for something more to come out of Shingo to really make him standout more as a real character. He really could have been a male lead, in general, of the year if only his character had had a bit more of a dynamic to it but he was ultimately left as a fairly bland character that was more of a plot device around which things moved than an individual person. Whether or not we call the show about Airi and Sana, the fact that Shingo was the only male draws our attention to him more than any other character because he is unique. In this sense, I really do feel that they did a poor job with making him interesting to fit his unique position.

Why any of you are taking what I said to mean either that Miu and Shingo are meant or not meant to be together is a bit beyond the point, and to some degree you're twisting my words.


Venats....let me apologize up-front if you feel I twisted your words in ANY way!
I do STILL agree with your point about the shingo & miu pairing as not being well rounded, though!!
I also agree when say that Ange and Sakuno were "non-existent".
That really irritated me!
I really liked Sakuno and wished they had given her more to do in this series.
fifth... there was devloment since the begining of the show for miu and also hints for her win.there was a few hints in the first episodes which make it clear miu win.the first hint is We see him take special notice of Miu in episode 1 the second hint is she's the only girl he blushes about in Episode 2 when recalling his introduction to her the third hint he was start worry about her in episode 5 even here plot was still backround until half-way through episode 6. so they did it a little well


I don't wanna KEEP doing this but.....
I could also make the argument that there were hints for Airi, like when they take bath together,
or Sana, like when Shingo burns his hands to save her posters.
I could even argue for hints over Sakuno like when she wants to take a bath with him.
BUT, those arguments would be MOOT because my issue is not WHO he ends up with, but HOW the WRITERS choose to get there!!
I really do appreciate the job they did with Airi and Sana's characters, as well as the seiyuu that voiced them.
But again, I CAN'T stand the way the WRITERS treated Shingo's character
and seemed to turn him into a secondary character in the end after giving him
SO MUCH of the focus at the beginning of the series.
The same thing goes for Ange, Sakuno and even Miu-sempai,
who they just turned into a girl with emotional problems because her CAT DIED!!
REALLY?!!.....I was expecting her mother sexually abusing her or something!!!
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Let me clear about my last post, as it is almost time for my daily nap.
(The nurses are REALLY strict here in the old folks home!!)

It's REALLY hard for me watch a series unless I like the characters.
It's even harder to watch one after I BEGIN TO DISLIKE the characters.
I really liked Shingo's character.
Intelligent and cognisant of his surrounding and the people around him.
But, after awhile he turned into the usual CLUELESS JACKA$$ I find (AND HATE) in most harem animes!
If watch a harem series, it is usually IN SPITE OF the male lead, not because of them!!
That's why I BLAME THE WRITERS here.
The Shingo at the beginning of the series would have known if Sana or Airi were feeling slighted
and would have been honest with them about his feeling for Mui-Sempai even if it meant hurting them
because he cares so much about them and their feelings!
(To be honest, I skimmed through the un-subbed episode 11, so maybe I missed something. If he did tell them, then I missed it!!)
They HAD the chance to create a show with a male lead I could REALLY ROOT FOR!!
Instead, they choose to give me the guy I usually wanna punch in the face!!!

OK....the nurses are breaking out the hose again!!
Till tomorrow children!!!
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Tomodachi5 said:
Is it just me or did anyone else not really get into the last kissing scene. I feel like there was no passion or actual love, It just felt bland. Now with the Toradora kissing scene in the end, Now that, THAT was perfect. That truly made me feel happy. Whatever, I thought the series was okay nothing special but i'm not exactly sure what the last episode could be about, I mean Shingo already sealed the deal.

P.S. Whoever hasn't watched Toradora should go watch it all right now.


The kissing scene was kinda interesting but I think its bland now as well. I wonder how the series will end tho. Shingo seems to have been rushed. It explain his actions in ep 10. He basically forced himself on Miu and with only 12 eps, there isnt enough time to see Uyruu remorse or feeling about his actions towards the other girls.

Shingo and Miu are cute together but pains me to see Airi and Sena feeling down. The part where Angie, Sana, Airi, and Sakuno are hanging are the playground makes me want to beat up Shingo even more. Airi says she's not going to fall in love anymore makes you wonder if she will ever get relinquish her feelings for Shingo. Imma just go off an a whif and say good harem with bad ending.
 
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