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| A Brit, a Sumerian and a Greek walk into a bar. Rider showed Saber that she was just small prick in front of Alexander.  Archer/Gilgamesh was right. Saber looked like she was raped. Funny. But otherwise, when the fuck will they fight? 5 days and 6 hours remaining, and we are no closer to the holy grail. 2 more episodes remaining. Waver should have joined the drinking party. Even if he is not of the legal age. I mean come on, if Archer's drink was THAT GOOD, I would have gladly helped myself to some of it. |
 Without change,we end up becoming the very person we hate. I was dead until the moment I met you. I was a powerless corpse pretending to be alive. Living without power, without the ability to change my course, was bound to lead me to a slow death. |
Broderic said: Ionian Hetairoi translates to eternal partners, "partners" was the name of Alexander's heavy cavalry. In Greek its Αιώνιοι Εταίροι but if i were to write it in greeklish it would be something like Aionioi Etairoi though for the ω we usually use w cause its closer in shape but that wouldn't make any sense to someone who doesn't know the Greek Alphabet. Thank you for the explanation! OT:This episode was really amazing, really restored my faith in the series, which was shaken when I saw that like nothing is going to be resolved in this 13 episodes. |
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| The whole thing with the assassins attacking really screwed up an otherwise decent episode. They must be the worst assassins in the history of assassins. They arrive in hiding. They totally have the drop on three of their opponents. And then, instead of attacking from the shadows, they announce their presence and have a brief conversation before allowing themselves to be attacked. That's not how assassination works. |
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| Greek Ancient History: The clash of Macedonians and assassins. I changed my opinion more about Rider. My favourite charater from this series. |
| further proof Iskander is best boi Gilgamesh seems to have more uses than expected. Also I like how he just doesnt give a fuck sometimes. Other times he is a little bit annoying though. The scene is kinda hillarious though, just sitting there drinking. |
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| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| VOTE FOR RIDER PLEASE! This is so entertaining to watch xD |
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| Judging by Archer's personality I seriously bet that he's gonna spill the wine on Rider's face lol. But seems he isn't brave enough for one to call the Rider a pretender and mongrel. Funny how there's so many army that charges yet Saber,Archer, and the other doesn't collide with them. Finally there's a gap between Saber and Rider. If they get all friendly forever, I doubt the battle will start. |
| He who smiles in a crisis has found someone to blame. |
| Brooooo. I'm just putting it out there that this is one of my favorite single episodes of anime. From a triple Matrix level fight between Kirei and Kiritsugu, to the mindfuck level of Kiritsugu being stuck in the Grail. Great shots, great scenes, overall trippy and suddenly depressing, and I loved it all. |
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| Pretty fun episode seeing them talk over some drinks and Rider showing his badassery. |
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| it's interesting seeing the different viewpoint on how a King is supposed to act. I agree with Rider that a King can't constantly save people because he's going to be able to save them forever. He needs to lead them, guide them on the correct path, this way when the King is gone, his followers would be able to save themselves instead of crumbling because their leader is gone. but i also agree with Saber on the topic of regret. there's nothing wrong with regretting your past actions which has cause the demise of your kingdom. that ionioi thing in the end is frickin badass! and is it just me or does one of those soldier/servant looks like adult!waver???? |
| Rider's take was some utter nonsense right there. "If you rule your kingdom selflessly and prioritize your people over yourself, you won't be envied and therefore no one will strive to be like you. You failed your duty as a king." and other stupid shit to justify his megalomania and disregard for his people in the name of conquest. At least it's historically accurate. I see many people agreeing with him and a few voices of reason in this thread objecting. It's really interesting how people can be persuaded easily even to such obviously fallacious reasoning simply because it was presented well. I am concerned about humanity if MAL users represent the average person in terms of intellectual capability. |
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| Gathering of the kings...hmmm..rider phantasm...pretty nice |
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| Great episode. I really like Archer's character design and armour but personality wise, I find his arrogance a bit unlikeable even if it's fitting for his character. I'm kinda neutral on Saber but I do really like Rider, he has a good mix of serious principles and light-hearted fun...but Lancer's still definitely my favourite one <3 Also, how on earth is any servant going to defeat that whole army?! |
  🔥 🔥 🔥 . 阿良々木 暦, 傷 物 語 . 🔥 🔥 🔥 Build a man a fire and you'll warm him for a night but set a man on fire and you'll warm him for the rest of his life... - H E N D Y - |
| rider is the most interesting character of them all |
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| Shitttt rider's noble phantasm gave me chills. The conversation between kings was interesting. I adore Rider and Archer pov but if I were going to be a king, I think I will be like Saber. |
| Watch aria the animation and it's sequel. |
| Damn, Rider's Ionian Hetairoi Noble Phantasm was awesome as hell. Didn't think I'd see the Macedonian army in an anime lol Not sure I agree with Archer's and Rider's conceptions of kingship. I'm more inclined to believe in Saber's ideal. |
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| Gilgamesh is so fuckin fun to watch lmao |
| This anime shit is addictive |
| Rider is coming. Saber and Rider talk. lol at Gil appearing. Zasshu. Gil walked all the way there. lol Gil bringing out the good stuff. Rider wants true incarnation? Saber's wish. Tokiomi and Kirei. Tokiomi's order to Kirei. LMAO at Gil cracking up. Gil likes Saber's deflowered face. Assassin appears. They came 100 deep. Dat Reality Marble. I always loved this episode. 3 kings gather and share their beliefs. I love how everyone is sitting looking normal then you look at Gil and he bright as fock. lol I love how Rider changed into his normal outfit then he did the Gainax pose with the wind blowing his cape. |
| If you see that my post is exactly 1 month old (or more) from when it was posted... Don't waste your time, especially when you want to reply with something petty & insignificant. Assume that I've moved on (because I have). |
| From the moment Iskander aka Rider arrived in this show, he became my favourite character and this episode just took him to another level. He's just so fucking cool. What a great king. Saber got roasted so hard this episode. |
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| Good for Saber, other than that another dull ep. Most of it was just to set up Rider so he would show his secret moves anyway |
| Saber roasted lmao |
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| Rider's Noble phantasm is insane |
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| I love this series, but this episode was pretty awful with its message. The way Saber was presented was laughably bad as it doesn't make sense why KING ARTHUR of all people does not believe in her own path and gets mocked by literally everyone. She should have said to Rider "fuck you this is the path I believe in, you have no right to preach your bullshit selfish ideals to me". I also hate how the series glorifies Rider's selfish ways as "this is how a king should be" when that is completely subjective to the ruler at hand. I don't get what the story is trying to say by presenting Rider as this guy who is always right. Is the message that "being a tyrant is good if you're fair and kind to your people"? What a load of crap. Gen rarely misses, but this episode is truly a massive failure for him. People really be thinking this episode is peak just cause "muh philosophy" whilst ignoring how the message is ridiculous, and the way it's conveyed is unrealistically preachy. |
Nano201102Jan 9, 2023 8:32 AM
Nano201102 said: I totally understand you. And worst thing is all these folks praising him as if he is the ultimate truth. Kings are remembered for their honor, not greed.I love this series, but this episode was pretty awful with its message. The way Saber was presented was laughably bad as it doesn't make sense why KING ARTHUR of all people does not believe in her own path and gets mocked by literally everyone. She should have said to Rider "fuck you this is the path I believe in, you have no right to preach your bullshit selfish ideals to me". I also hate how the series glorifies Rider's selfish ways as "this is how a king should be" when that is completely subjective to the ruler at hand. I don't get what the story is trying to say by presenting Rider as this guy who is always right. Is the message that "being a tyrant is good if you're fair and kind to your people"? What a load of crap. Gen rarely misses, but this episode is truly a massive failure for him. People really be thinking this episode is peak just cause "muh philosophy" whilst ignoring how the message is ridiculous, and the way it's conveyed is unrealistically preachy. Can't blame them, saber is shown to be wrong in tropey way. Instead, she could've just stand by her ideals. Then, I bet those praising rider will be left with confused faces. Author only wants to force their propaganda which is presenting rider in right light, meanwhile, saber is being looked down. |
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| Rider defeat Assassin with his noble phantasm, bringing Assassin out from the shadows and onto his turf of the desert plains, where his mass armies and loyal followers await. Well-deserved too, Rider just wanted to share a drink with them, to which they rudely declined, and also ruined his new shirt. But Rider also defeats Saber, with “You saved your people, but you did not lead them.” I remember thinking this episode was boring, one of the worst ones, because all there was was talk. Now, I think this might be the best episode of both seasons. This clash of ideals was riveting to watch, with Rider coming out on top; for now at least. And of course you gotta love Gilgamesh who is just calmly sitting there throughout it all, apart from the odd remark or two. Anyway, that was whatever version that was on Crunchyroll. The extended cut looks to be FIVE minutes longer. I’ll be back after watching it, to see if there’s anything significant that was missed. edit: So nothing of utmost importance seems to have been cut out, but the scenes that were omitted sure help round out the episode even better. For one, Tokiomi and Kotomei discussing sending Assassin in to gauge Rider's strength. No major points were left out, but a few lines here and there which did flesh out their conversation even a bit more. Gilgamesh has a little more to say, most importantly being him commenting on Saber's expression looking like a virgin who was just deflowered in bed. To which he goes: ME LIKEY. Also I'm not going to bother to go back and check, but I think they also left out Gilgamesh saying that he will be the one to kill Rider himself, to which Rider enthusiastically accepts. More or less small things, but it still elevates each scene. Gonna ditch crunchyroll. The next episode looks to be 4 minutes longer than whatever TV version crunchyroll has decided to have. |
BetaMaleUltraFeb 16, 2023 4:04 PM
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| I never thought Rider was cool until today! |
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| Def Best episode so far for this season! Rider's noble phantasm is way too goated and so because of that Assassin proceeds to just take even more L's throughout this season it's kinda embarassing XD Plus never thought just a pure heavy dialogue episode would be this epic. |
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| My God what a dialogue! This episode definitely has to be the best Fate episode ever. Also poor Saber getting roasted so hard, at this point I'm wondering why is she even there in Fate Zero!? |
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| What is this anime?? Wow, seriously. I don’t know what to say… One standout character—Rider—with a clear message that even a character considered “secondary” can flip the entire anime upside down with words, quotes, and scenes that leave me speechless! What a phenomenal episode… Gilgamesh represents arrogance, Rider represents pride, and Saber represents loyalty… So many profound concepts were explored in a single episode… I don’t even know what to comment on or what to leave out. If I start writing, I might not stop for 10 or even 100 pages. Let’s summarize the feeling with one sentence: “This anime is a masterpiece.” |
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