| They're almost always downvoted to oblivion in every anime's "Fansubbing Groups" section. Yet I choose their releases pretty regularly, and have never had a problem. They take subs from one of the better groups (usually the best) for a particular anime, then slap it on a nice Blu-ray source. Yes, filesizes can get pretty big, but it's Blu-ray at almost source size, usually attesting to more quality. Besides, it's just temporary space: simply leave the batch downloading overnight, then delete it once you've finished watching. Referring to: http://myanimelist.net/fansub-groups.php?id=1764 I see lots of "stolen subs!!!" comments. Never heard of resubbing? And why does it matter to the end-user anyway? You're getting better video quality this way, with the same awesome subs you would've been watching anyway. Really, why all the hate? |
FauxAznDec 5, 2011 3:19 AM
| i like them too, can't see where all the hate is coming from... don't see a problem with their translations and i really like their encoding.. |
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| people hate them? I didn't even know:P |
| I completely agree. I use them whenever I can and really can't understand the hate. They always give credit where due and don't hide the fact that they've modified the subs to make them better, if they have at all. |
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Arex said: people hate them? I didn't even know:P Yeah, they pretty much average only half the vote tallies in nearly every anime they do. Almost like a gem buried under other groups in each anime's "Fansubbing Groups" section. I mean, just check a few comments: http://myanimelist.net/fansub-groups.php?id=1764 |
FauxAznDec 4, 2011 9:02 AM
| Size of files. |
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KeiranShikari said: Size of files. I really don't understand why you'd downvote for file size though. I mean, if the file size is too big for your dial-up speed or your 10-year-old computer, just ignore it and stream it in shit-quality online. Let the rest of us batch download while we sleep, and enjoy almost perfect quality in the morning. Downvotes should only be relegated to bad sub / video / audio quality. Disagree? |
FauxAznDec 4, 2011 7:01 AM
TheSouthAzn said: Yes, filesizes can get pretty big, but it's Blu-ray at almost source size, attesting to more quality. Bigger filesize =/= more quality. Not to mention that 95% of viewers don't have the equipment required to tell the difference between a 40gb encode and a 4gb one. Also, quite a few of Coalgirls releases are upscales despite the fact they state they don't do upscales. TheSouthAzn said: Besides, it's just temporary space: simply leave the batch downloading overnight, then delete it once you've finished watching. Some people archive their anime, you know? |
seishi-sama said: I realize most people can't tell the difference between 40 gb and 4gb, but if you've already got an excellent 4GB release, then ignore the 40 GB one for those who want better qualities on their 1080p setups, and those who have the space for it.Not to mention that 95% of viewers don't have the equipment required to tell the difference between a 40gb encode and a 4gb one. seishi-sama said: Still doesn't explain the downvotes. Ahh, it's too much quality, can't archive on my tiny drive, too poor to buy a second bigger one, Coalgirls suck.Some people archive their anime, you know? seishi-sama said: I realize that too, but it's almost always the case. It's like trying to find out the quality of a PC Power Supply before you buy it: You check the brand, the weight, and the reviews. Instead of downloading both the 4GB and 40GB, and spending time comparing them, why not just download the 40GB, then delete it once you're done? Archive the 4GB if you want, but don't downvote the 40GB for no reason.Bigger filesize =/= more quality. |
FauxAznDec 4, 2011 7:20 AM
TheSouthAzn said: Ahh, it's too much quality, can't archive, Coalgirls suck. Makes sense to me. But whatever, I don't even know this group. |
TheSouthAzn said: seishi-sama said: Still doesn't explain the downvotes. Ahh, it's too much quality, can't archive, Coalgirls suck.Some people archive their anime, you know? The opposite. NOT ENOUGH quality to justify such a filesize. Honestly, if you actually think Coalgirls have the best encodes ever, you know nothing about quality. Most of their encodes are inferior to those of smaller sizes done by other respectable BD ripping groups. |
seishi-sama said: TheSouthAzn said: Still doesn't explain the downvotes. Ahh, it's too much quality, can't archive, Coalgirls suck. The opposite. NOT ENOUGH quality to justify such a filesize. Honestly, if you actually think Coalgirls have the best encodes ever, you know nothing about quality. Most of their encodes are inferior to those of smaller sizes done by other respectable BD ripping groups. Obviously they don't have the best encodes, and obviously, if you want to spend the time researching for best quality-to-filesize ratio, do your thing. But for most people who don't want to spend that time, and want a good BD rip subbed by a great group at first try... What I'm trying to say is, they don't deserve all these nonsensical, burying downvotes. And if you must downvote them, offer a constructive comment noting which group did it better, instead of HURRR TOO BIGG. |
FauxAznDec 4, 2011 7:39 AM
TheSouthAzn said: Obviously they don't have the best encodes, and obviously, if you want to spend the time researching for best quality-to-filesize ratio, do your thing. But for most people who don't want to spend that time, and wants a good BD rip subbed by a great group at first download... But they aren't a great sub group, saying they are great is like saying "well this is the most expensive so it but be the best product." plus if some didn't care about all that stuff, wouldn't they just go with the smaller file size anyways? What I'm trying to say is, they don't deserve all these nonsensical, burying downvotes. And if you must downvote them, offer a constructive comment noting which group did it better, instead of HURRR TOO BIGG. You say that like myanimelist.net matters? and I highly doubt anyone from Coalgirls bothers checking this site. Myanimelist is probably the least relevant, least respected anime site on the internet. So it doesn't really matter. Also I highly doubt the majority of the people on this site know enough about encoding to bother offering any real constructive criticism |
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TheSouthAzn said: I really don't understand why you'd downvote for file size though. I mean, if the file size is too big for your dial-up speed or your 10-year-old computer, just ignore it and stream it in shit-quality online.? you make me sad |
Jigero said: Huh? They're not a fansub group at all. They simply take subs from excellent groups and stick them in an excellent quality video source.But they aren't a great sub group Jigero said: Yes, but again, why downvote and bury nonsensically for the rest of us?plus if some didn't care about all that stuff, wouldn't they just go with the smaller file size anyways? Jigero said: You don't need to! Simply offer a sensible reason why you're downvoting, or offer a group you enjoyed better.Also I highly doubt the majority of the people on this site know enough about encoding to bother offering any real constructive criticism |
FauxAznDec 4, 2011 8:02 AM
| My only problem with them is the slow download speed because of it not being popular. If I'm downloading a lot of anime at a time, I'll be going to some of theirs anyways. If quality is such a big deal, why not buy blu ray? If you're talking down people who have dial up speed or have 10 year old computers, why grab some money and buy BRAYS? Or is it too much for your wallet to handle? |
| I have only one anime which I downloaded from coalgirls and the quality of the anime is pretty nice. I do not care about the size because I put all my anime on a 3 TB hard drive anyways so I figure that I'll never really come too close to using up all that space. But I never heard any of this hate for coalgirls in the past either so O-o. |
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Supergrunt8 said: Haha, I'm so sorry! I was just exaggerating to make a point. Really, really sorry Supergrunt8!! TheSouthAzn said: I really don't understand why you'd downvote for file size though. I mean, if the file size is too big for your dial-up speed or your 10-year-old computer, just ignore it and stream it in shit-quality online.? you make me sad *buys you a cake* (Even though you broke my heart. And killed me. And tore me to pieces. And threw every piece into a fire. ...but I'm Still Alive!) DarkShards said: Check the vote ratio per anime, and the comments: http://myanimelist.net/fansub-groups.php?id=1764But I never heard any of this hate for coalgirls in the past either so O-o. |
FauxAznDec 4, 2011 8:11 AM
Kigen said: 1) Coalgirls does Blu-rays.If quality is such a big deal, why not buy blu ray? If you're talking down people who have dial up speed or have 10 year old computers, why grab some money and buy BRAYS? Or is it too much for your wallet to handle? 2) Fansubs, dude. I don't want to get stuck with shit "official" subs. |
FauxAznDec 4, 2011 8:27 AM
| 3 of 7 users approve this sub group (baccano) well they werent watching that in dub anyhow so its their damn faults if they didnt enjoy that one but to the topic, yah coalgirls really doesnt deserve any hate, i dont know why someone would "archive" anime which is just idiotic to do on a hard drive and entirely pointless, i can understand maybe archiving your favorite anime bu- actually no it makes even less sense to archive your favorites cause if you really enjoy it so much you want to be able to watch it whenever you sould have bought it |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
DJIzzyIzzyHitler said: Oh gosh, I wish I knew to watch the dub on that one beforehand. Too late =/well they werent watching that in dub anyhow so its their damn faults if they didnt enjoy that one In any case, downvoting a sub group doesn't exactly mean they didn't enjoy the anime, DJ. iSeeU said: Haha, too true. Unfortunately in this case, the haters are also burying Coalgirls under other groups, whereas usually Coalgirls would be the better option with those groups' subtitles in better video quality. |
FauxAznDec 4, 2011 8:50 AM
| Quality is average for a BD-Rip. Size is awful, subs are good, but just because they get them from other groups. I really don't see what's to like about them. Sure it's better than nothing, but anyone in their right mind would pick good encode over a bad one. |
IDex said: Glad I already answered to that one here. My hands are sore from all this typing =/ Quality is average for a BD-Rip. Size is awful, subs are good, but just because they get them from other groups. I really don't see what's to like about them. Sure it's better than nothing, but anyone in their right mind would pick good encode over a bad one. Check it: |
FauxAznDec 4, 2011 8:39 AM
| I've only watched one series by them, but I really disliked their font choice and size. Judging by some screenshots I can't say that their fonts for other series look much better either... |
| Just saying that they don't deserve any ups either. Of course that's not a reason to start passionately hate them but anyways. People tend to have strong opinions about fansubbers. Every group has it's haters. |
IDex said: Every group has it's haters. Eclipse, where are you when I need you? Please wake from hibernation to disprove this man's statement. ='( Edit: Oh wait, there is niizk, but not to that much an exemplary magnitude... http://myanimelist.net/fansub-groups.php?id=864 |
FauxAznDec 4, 2011 9:48 AM
FauxAzn said: IDex said: Every group has it's haters. Eclipse, where are you when I need you? Please wake from hibernation to disprove this man's statement. ='( Edit: Oh wait, there is niizk, but not to that much an exemplary magnitude... http://myanimelist.net/fansub-groups.php?id=864 To tell the truth THORA has a better ratio, but they still get some negative votes when they don't use their own subs. Who cares anyway, just watch whatever satisfy you, it's true that CoalGirls don't always have the best encode, but often the difference is so small you wouldn't notice it anyway unless you took the screenshots and compared them. The complaints about not translating it, using FLAC, ordered chapters or bloated filesizes are pretty silly in my opinion. |
LazYSlackeRDec 4, 2011 12:34 PM
LazYSlackeR said: Ah, THORA. Love their movie releases, but I avoid their series releases because they cut out each episode's openings and endings. Or at least they used to -- do they still do that? Wouldn't think of giving downvotes for that though because that's simply a negligible personal preference.To tell the truth THORA has a better ratio LazYSlackeR said: Yet they seem to be the only major complaints...The complaints about not translating it, using FLAC, ordered chapters or bloated filesizes are pretty silly in my hopinion. |
FauxAznDec 4, 2011 10:38 AM
FauxAzn said: Ah, THORA. Love their movie releases, but I avoid their series releases because they cut out each episode's openings and endings. Or at least they used to -- do they still do that? Yes. Mind if I ask you why you don't like it? (edit: doesn't Coalgirls do the same? You seems to support them.) FauxAzn said: LazYSlackeR said: Yet they seem to be the only major complaints...The complaints about not translating it, using FLAC, ordered chapters or bloated filesizes are pretty silly in my hopinion. Yeah, but I don't think Coalgirls cares about their complaints and I don't see why you should either. |
FauxAzn said: Arex said: people hate them? I didn't even know:P Yeah, they pretty much average only half the vote tallies in nearly every anime they do. Almost like a gem buried under other groups in each anime's "Fansubbing Groups" section. I mean, just check a few comments: http://myanimelist.net/fansub-groups.php?id=1764 There isn't any specific hate. Don't compare them to the other groups. The other groups get lots of comments and staff because they sub weekly episodes in ongoing anime. People going with their releases for finished anime are less likely to bother commenting at that point anymore so it seem like they get no attention. Also people who comment at Blu-Ray releases are different from the usual commenters and just compare between Blu-Ray releases. It's a completely different thing. |
| I dont like them because once I downloaded an anime they subbed and waited hours for the download to finish cuz of the insane filesize and then the files were corrupted or something. they were playable but kinda lagged and the colors werent right ôo thats why I wont download anything by them anymore. but I dont comment on the subgroups, so dont blame me lol |
shiroto said: Pretty legit. Though do you remember the anime? And I can't help but feel you might not have used a good media player setup, or your computer couldn't handle it if it lagged. Haven't experienced this yet.they were playable but kinda lagged and the colors werent right ôo thats why I wont download anything by them anymore. LazYSlackeR said: Of course they don't, but isn't it always nice to get a little recognition for your selfless efforts? Just givin' a lil' luv back to these gals that showered me with so much the same this past year.Yeah, but I don't think Coalgirls cares about their complaints and I don't see why you should either. Besides, this thread isn't really about me "caring" so much as it is Curiosity musing into why others find them so atrocious, especially with those silly reasons. Possibly also to clear up a few misunderstandings, so people don't end up ignoring them due to low votes. I mean, they've resubbed so much anime with superb medleys of quality... the disdain is almost ridiculous. |
FauxAznDec 4, 2011 2:09 PM
| Because I live in the middle of bumfuck nowhere and the only download speed I can get is 140KB/sec. It's not that I don't have the space, I have plenty of external hard drives. But when one episode from them is larger than an entire series, I don't have the time to download that. You guys can kiss their asses all you want, but their file sizes are horrid, and even if I'm a sucker for fantastic quality, I can seriously get the same quality for about half the space. |
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| Well personally, I've noticed that they always mess up their files and have to patch them later on. |
| I think the #1 reason is simple. Coalgirls is not a fansub group. MAL, for whatever reason, labels all groups that release unauthorized anime downloads as "fansub groups." So anime fans, being their usual borderline OCD selves, downvote them simply for not being a fansub group. You can see the same thing happening with HorribleSubs, Commie, Underwater, and similar ripping groups. Other reasons I've seen cited for hating them: (I don't actively dislike them myself, as I rarely download their releases anyway.) * Connections to Chihiro, another group people love to hate for dubious reasons. * Use of FLAC -- if they did 224-320 kbps AAC instead, most of their releases not encoded by Tenshi would be quite reasonably-sized, and only .01% of the population or whatever would be able to tell the difference. (Though even with FLAC, many of their releases are reasonable size for what they are.) * Some releases use ordered chapters in ways that're broken or questionable, i.e. shows that have a ton of different endings. * General filesize bloat to preserve irrelevant details, though again, this is mainly with Tenshi's encodes, and it's not like other groups aren't guilty of similar excesses. * Worse typesetting on shows where they worked from TV-rips with hardsubbed TS, like Maid-sama. * Choice of subs -- when they use subs by groups like gg, the hate from the original subs gets transferred over. FauxAzn said: How exactly are the subs on commercial DVD/BD not official, as your scare quotes imply?2) Fansubs, dude. I don't want to get stuck with shit "official" subs. Also, were you aware that Coalgirls has used official subs for numerous projects? See Cardcaptor Sakura, Eureka 7, FLCL, Ghost Hound, Haibane Renmei, Hanasaku Iroha (Hatsuyuki-Tsuki=CR-based), Heroic Age, Kanamemo, My-Hime, My-Otome, Nichijou, Serial Experiments Lain, Shiki, Soul Eater, Squid Girl, Strike Witches, Utawarerumono TV, Yuru Yuri, and any Ghibli movie they've done. seishi-sama said: I've never seen them release 1080p only for any series, so there's always a 720p option. And on some series (Lucky Star, Shana TV) where the Blu-Rays themselves were shitty upscales, they've flat-out decided not to do them. The "we don't do upscales" is more of a "we don't release in resolutions bigger than the source" statement -- meaning they don't do things like release DVD-rips in 720p.Also, quite a few of Coalgirls releases are upscales despite the fact they state they don't do upscales. TheSouthAzn said: There is a middle ground between "super-huge insane bloated" and "crappy streaming/XviD shit quality"; I don't think it's wrong for people to desire releases in that range.I really don't understand why you'd downvote for file size though. I mean, if the file size is too big for your dial-up speed or your 10-year-old computer, just ignore it and stream it in shit-quality online.? Shiroto said: Sounds like that could be an issue with 10-bit video.I dont like them because once I downloaded an anime they subbed and waited hours for the download to finish cuz of the insane filesize and then the files were corrupted or something. they were playable but kinda lagged and the colors weren't right so that's why I won't download anything by them anymore. but I don't comment on the subgroups, so don't blame me lol SecretAgent194 said: Patches? What are these patches you speak of?Well personally, I've noticed that they always mess up their files and have to patch them later on. Coalgirls "about" page said: We will not: 3) Create patches. We’d rather waste your bandwidth than our time. |
ZalisDec 4, 2011 8:28 PM
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FauxAzn said: And if you must downvote them, offer a constructive comment noting which group did it better, instead of HURRR TOO BIGG. The reason why people downvote them is because they can get the same quality at a lower filesize from a group other than Coalgirls. You must've heard of their nickname "Bloatgirls". They're called that because their releases don't have any improvement in quality despite the ridiculous file sizes. I have a few of their releases. Some of them are DVD-sourced, and hence, unbloated. But, the newer, Blu-Ray-sourced anime is pretty bloated. Take Bakemonogatari, for example. They probably have the best release for the series out there, but the file sizes aren't very appealing. Also, they used FLAC for the audio stream, which is frankly unnecessary unless you're going for ultra-HQ 1080p archiving. AC3 or OGG is perfectly fine for 720p scales. |
DJIzzyIzzyHitler said: ... if you really enjoy it so much you want to be able to watch it whenever you sould have bought it In that sense, "fan"sub shouldn't do blu-ray |
| I like their releases and transcode the FLAC audio to AAC myself to get a decent quality and reasonable file sizes for archiving. They use pretty low CRF values sometimes but most of the bloat is realy just the lossless audio especially for 24bit or 5.1 sources. |
Zalis said: Haha, no no, they are official. But the word "official" eo ipso implies something that's been hand-selected to be the authoritative form of its kind, usually. Quite the contrary with subs, though: fansubs pwn. I was merely mocking the word usage.FauxAzn said: How exactly are the subs on commercial DVD/BD not official, as your scare quotes imply?2) Fansubs, dude. I don't want to get stuck with shit "official" subs. Zalis said: I totally get what you're saying, but by the same token, I don't think it's wrong for me to desire openings and endings to be a part of each episode. But I'm not about to bury THORA under other groups just for this personal preference, when there are others who prefer OPs and EDs separated. For Coalgirls, why bury them when the releases work perfectly fine for those that have the means? Hard drive space is temporary space, you could simply delete after watching. If you really want to archive, you can always buy another relatively cheap terabyte drive, or use another group's release. If you don't have the connection speed or space to feasibly download Coalgirls' releases, then don't! Just don't devalue them with downvotes for your own financial / geographic shortcomings. There is a middle ground between "super-huge insane bloated" and "crappy streaming/XviD shit quality"; I don't think it's wrong for people to desire releases in that range. I think downvotes should only be relegated to bad sub / video / audio quality. Zalis said: Yup, which is why I'm sure I stated somewhere above that I'd almost always choose them. Obviously, for Eureka 7, I'd rather choose Nanashi, but Nanashi used hardsubs so they're difficult to resub. But for some older anime, there really isn't much choice other than CR or official subs, so I'd get Coalgirls for those anyway. The cool thing is, they usually credit whose subs they use on their site, so it's a pretty quick check. Besides a few exceptions, I've found Coalgirls using some of the better, if not best subs available. Also, were you aware that Coalgirls has used official subs for numerous projects? Zalis said: Good explanation. Wish it weren't true, but *sigh*I think the #1 reason is simple. Coalgirls is not a fansub group. MAL, for whatever reason, labels all groups that release unauthorized anime downloads as "fansub groups." So anime fans, being their usual borderline OCD selves, downvote them simply for not being a fansub group. You can see the same thing happening with HorribleSubs, Commie, Underwater, and similar ripping groups. Thanks Zalis. The_Hriday said: Awesome! But instead of commenting HURR TOO BIGGG, just comment which group did it better in your downvote.The reason why people downvote them is because they can get the same quality at a lower filesize from a group other than Coalgirls. |
FauxAznDec 5, 2011 3:53 AM
FauxAzn said: If you don't have the connection speed or space to feasibly download Coalgirls' releases, then don't! Just don't devalue them with downvotes for your own financial / geographic shortcomings. I'm not disagreeing with this or anything, because it's true, but this made me thing of a more recent argument that I was seeing earlier. I think the issue with Coalgirls is the EXACT same thing as the 10-bit crap. The people that can figure out how to set up the player/have players that automatically allow 10-bit love it (the people that like Coalgirls) and then the people that can't figure out why the hell their anime is multi-colored (haters gonna hate) are against it. The main argument for both of those would be the ease and access for the general public. People were complaining when sub groups were switching over to 10-bit format because "not every computer can handle 10-bit" or "I don't understand how to set this up". People do not like things that they cannot attain or understand, so they just argue and complain about these things. And there's Tracy's explanation of the human mind, part 143. Thank you, and goodnight. |
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FauxAzn said: Awesome! But instead of commenting HURR TOO BIGGG, just comment which group did it better in your downvote. You've been on MAL for around 3 years, now. You should know by now that most of the people who vote on fansubs are trolls. |
| It doesn't really matter whether good or bad sub. People forget too that these people put in their own time and effort to produce a fan sub which is FREE. I've seen my good share of great and less than acceptable fan subs, but I still enjoy watching it nonetheless. Btw I just recently read the fansub section and holy crap! Trolls, trolls, trolls. |
| I say it's sexism. |
| Well... it's annoying in certain situations. Let me paint you a word picture. Let's say you live in a developing area and the best download speed you can get is around 500KB/s (i'm being generous here, a lot of people don't even get that much). One day, you decided that you want to download a series that's been completed for a few years. You search up torrents by seed-number, and the only decently seeded torrent you can find is a colossal 27GB file for a 13-episode series provided by the "oh-my-god-blu-ray-is-the--best-it's-the-only-way-to-watch-animuuu-lololololol-" people of Coalgirls. Now, I'm sure there are some weird, rich-ass people who watch anime in their fucking home theaters. But the truth is, the vast majority of people find Coalgirls' mammoth-size encodes unnecessary (and fucking obnoxious) as they watch anime on 13~17 inch laptops, not 60 inch flat-screen TVs with surround sound. |
jhl9027Apr 21, 2013 5:53 AM
apatch3 said: but they're not actually girls lolI say it's sexism. |
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| I have a rather new PC so filesize means jack to me. And the translations are fairly well done and unlike Bakabt I know the torrent will be good for more than a few days, only problem I would have is how limited the sellection is, but thats rather minor. So overall I like them. |
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