Fate/Zero Episode 10 Discussion
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Worst episode of the season, but still a good one. I'd like to think that this ep was also made to show how Tokiomi was not necessarily a bad father to Rin. Also, people complaining about how this was a filler episode: It was pretty obvious in last week's preview. Even the title was a giveaway.
BUT FOR SRS. Ufotable makes the best sceneries/backdrops. They've got that really eerie feel to them.
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Worst episode of the season, but still a good one. I'd like to think that this ep was also made to show how Tokiomi was not necessarily a bad father to Rin.
Uh, no Tokiomi sucks as a father. His aim is to reach the Root of All Things, remember. Do you think there's a ticket back home? Yeah... There isn't.
However, he's a great magus mentor. Those bonding scenes was him mentoring Rin to be a good magus. This is what he's good as. I thought the episode portrayed this perfectly. His good side.
We already know he fails at parenting.
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sallym613 said:I understand but understand that after the shitty ass murdering shit that Uryuu did to kids, sheer justice with a4 hammer have been delivered of those dead kids by Rin. It is to say the least a homage to avenging those kids.
@ Yumekichi: I have nothing against Rin trying to save her classmate and the kids (even though its foolish, it was really brave of her regardless) but I feel like Rin's complete success with owning Ryuunosuke and getting the kids out of there alive without Ryuunosuke getting an opportunity to retaliate...just doesn't sit too well with me. Especially since Fate/Zero has made a strong impression on me of having an overall dark, serious mood...where things don't usually go well or happen on a happy tone.
Rin owning a despicable criminal was awesome..by itself. However, not within the context of Fate/Zero.
Point being that despite them changing things, glorifying Rin is good IMO.
No. It isn't. The entire episode is ridiculous in context of the anime (the premise of Zero is the Bad Guy Wins). There is no justice, no satisfactory gleam of hope, but despair. Save that earn your happy ending for Fate Stay Night. Save the almost 100% happy ending for Fate Hollow Ataraxia, the sequel.
Rin should have gotten her ass owned and pissed herself in fear if they wanted to expand things. She became an unrealistic piece of loli fanservice in this episode, rather than an adorable and realistic kid. We first see her nearly flashing us to take this seriously. All she did in the LN was being scared witless while trying to find her friend and then faint while Kariya rescued her from trouble, all by savoring the bitter despair of the knowledge her best friend must be dead or worse than dead and this was a crappy idea.
They shouldn't have wasted money on pointless lolicon fanservice, they could have very well ax this episode on half and set up the Mad Feast of Kings.
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This episode was a complete waste of time. One of the many things that makes F/Z so much better than F/SN is the relative absence of Rin, so focusing an episode on her as a kid is basically the worst idea I can think of.
I don't understand. Developping a beloved character from the original series is considered a waste of time? Of all the characters in F/SN, you hate Rin? I would love to remove Shirou from the picture entirely personally, in addition to all worthless, spinless male leads in anime in general.
Eh, what? Shirou's a great character, the biggest problem is that he's super annoying on the Fate Route (well, tolerable at times, but still...), he's absolutely epic on other routes. In particular during Heaven's Feel.
He's not your shounen like retard either. Nor he's spineless.
Shirou's an empty and hollow man like Kirei, only that he can find happiness by helping others, without a regard for his sense of self. Like Kirei does, only that his sense of joy is on other people's suffering.
He has a massive and crippling guilt complex from choosing to save his own ass when he was a child instead of helping others.
He's NOT right in the head. His superhero-y stuff is a way for him to cope with his life and utter sense of worthlessness. Through the three routes we see him finally reaching his sense of real happiness and worth in Heaven's Feel. Fate Shirou is the weakest one. If anything he's a deconstruction of those kind of anime male leads.
Sadly, you can only appreciate the irony once you finish the three routes.
Rin's a good character, but she's in no way deeper than Shirou (lol). Heck, she's the only heroine in Fate Stay Night who doesn't get a route (sure, she's the heroine in UBW but that's also called Shirou's route while Fate is Saber's and Heaven Feel's Sakura. Closest she has is the Prologue). She's always supporting character type since she works better as a colorful sidekick or a narrator, IMO.
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The only thing that justifies a happy ending, with Kotone living, is a bad ending actually violates her character development to FSN. Had she failed to save her friend in a bad ending, she would have been scarred for life with post-traumatic stress from a very vulnerable age, and she would have ended up with a completely different personality by Shirou's time with different motivations. (Can you imagine finding your friend dead at that young age? You probably would shit your pants). Why would she waste a jewel she had saved for years on Shirou, when the Holy Grail is at stake? If Kotone died, her reason for fighting would have been not so focused on the Holy Grail. If Shirou asked why she saved his life, she would have hinted about Kotone's death being the reason. It wouldn't be as simple as a highschool crush, which is how the VN plays it out from what I remember. I can see why the writers chose to use the good ending because of what I said. So you can blame them for extending a side-story, but don't blame them for choosing a good ending.
Anyway this episode was great. I loved the Fuyuki city backgrounds. It reminded me of the art in the FSN visual novel.
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