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Dec 3, 2011 1:27 PM

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Kariya: "My servant is the best one!!!"


That was a close moment for Rin there...
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Dec 3, 2011 1:29 PM

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I think they could of made this episode focus more on the father than Rin but it's good to see Rin nevertheless. A bit of a filler but good episode.

People perceive things differently.Some people might find this filler and I don't blame them since it does slightly deviate from the story however, as a whole series where Fate/zero is a prequel and Fate/Stay Night is a sequel, I think it's an interesting development to watch.People have to remember it's a "prequel". Not a stand alone series. Huge difference.

Every time I see Kariya, It makes me more depressed knowing that he's going to die. Even worse that he knows he's going to die.
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C'mon..... I rather watch this episode 10 times again than watch that flashback of crappy love story of his.


oh well... I loved this ep, but I just wanted it a bit shorter... to each his own ;)

Maybe de BDs will give me more backstory of lancer/berserker/caster/assasin/archer/rider etc


Yeah, I was actually going to post a new thread about it. It would be interesting for them to make episodes based on the the servants especially Saber, Gilgamesh and Rider.Saber and Gilgamesh fate story has much more potential in my opinion. It would also be very good if they make episodes showing Emiya's past as well. Not sure if they actually do that in Fate/zero since I never got around finishing the light novel.
 
Dec 3, 2011 1:51 PM

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This episode may top Her Problem from FMP: The Second Raid for best stand alone episode. Really good and really tense. Probably my favourite episode yet.

 
Dec 3, 2011 1:52 PM

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Not a Tohsaka fan so meh episode for me.
 
Dec 3, 2011 2:11 PM

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Meh episode.

They should have stick closer to the novels, instead of the adventures of Super Loli Rin saving the day (you know, what happened to have a horrible mental breakdown after finding out the remains of children that she had to suppress her memories from it as it DID happen).

Aoi, Tokiomi, Kariya and Kotomine saved this trash from 1/5, it's 3/5 thanks to them.

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Also, I really like that dialogue between Kariya and that woman who's supposed to be Rin's guardian at the time.


LOL best way to describe Aoi, nobody can tell she's a mother for being fucking terrible at her job.
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Dec 3, 2011 2:47 PM
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Probably the weakest episode so far, but still good. I was kind of hoping it would have more of Tokiomi.

I was expecting Tokiomi to rescue Rin, which while a little bit on the deus ex machina (not exactly the phrase I"m looking for but it fits the general idea) side would have been a little more realistic.
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Dec 3, 2011 3:17 PM

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Although one of lesser episodes, this was still a fairly good one. Rin was pretty powerful even at a young age.

Seeing Kariya made me pretty happy. So long we get to see Kariya and/or Iskander every few episodes, I am a happy guy! I would like to see more of Kariya's magic, though. That'll probably be more season two, though :(.
 
Dec 3, 2011 3:23 PM

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Finally a good episode after 2 meh ones.
Yay Lorin~
 
Dec 3, 2011 3:31 PM

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What is this, KnK6 part 2? Ufotable, you already messed up with that, don't do it again.
 
Dec 3, 2011 3:39 PM

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One episode that doesn't really link to the main story and everybody starts thinking the series just completely shat on itself.
 
Dec 3, 2011 3:50 PM

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Well, I can't see the point of hating this episode becuase almost the whole episode it's about Rin.
There sure is a lot of Rin fan out there, that's probably they make it like this for the anime, so it must be fanservice.

I haven't read VN whatever it is, but I do like seeing Rin again and they show her past self.
After I have seen this anime so far, this episode feel kind of different from what happend in these past episodes, maybe we don't need a Rin at all but still I'm happy to see her again.
I'm happy that Rin saved her friends.
Good ending, school & her smile face. :D

They can't cover anything, they probably could do it if it were 26 episodes anime.

2nd season?
Isn't it too early to think about that?
I have seen anime that have end in the middle maybe this will be that way too. xD

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Dec 3, 2011 3:53 PM

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So good. Oh, how I've missed you Rin.

But I'll admit Rin owning Ryuunosuke was a bit lame, yeah right she can do that.

Kariya yay.

Next episode, some Rider yay.

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3 epi left, i guess no servants (or master) will die (or eliminated) off this war?
which makes the next season even more exciting


I haven't read the novel so this isn't a spoiler but I'm sure at least one will die. I'm guessing it'd be Caster's master. Probably by Emiya and probably will involve Rider. Caster just has to be eliminated before next half.
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Dec 3, 2011 4:08 PM

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Well I like Rin but this episode was just pointless. Although I admit it was awesome seeing Mini Rin pwning Ryuunosuke.
 
Dec 3, 2011 4:10 PM

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I haven't read VN whatever it is, but I do like seeing Rin again and they show her past self.
After I have seen this anime so far, this episode feel kind of different from what happend in these past episodes, maybe we don't need a Rin at all but still I'm happy to see her again.
I'm happy that Rin saved her friends.
Good ending, school & her smile face. :D


This has nothing to do with that. The LN chapter is focused on her failure and meddling, a lesson of humility. She should have gotten owned and rescued because she was incredibly stupid to venture into the night. There would not be a "happy ending". The episode should have mentally scarred her, not validating her sheer stupidity. She's about 6 or so, no way she could beat a serial killer who makes furniture and musical instruments out of children. Sorry.

If they are changing stuff for a "happy ending" now, people are going to be very cautious for the things to come.
 
Dec 3, 2011 4:12 PM

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CHIBI LOLI RIN!!!
I APPROVE.
 
Dec 3, 2011 4:14 PM

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meh filler episode but at least it looks like something will finally happen next episode.
 
Dec 3, 2011 4:32 PM

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while I agree this episode is somewhat weaker compared to any of the previous, I wouldn't go so far as to call it filler or completely unnecessary.

but I noticed Rin had that zettai ryouiki, even at a young age.


 
Dec 3, 2011 4:55 PM

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That was a close moment for Rin there...
I was surprised she had one of those ahogao faces. She looked terrible there.

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Dec 3, 2011 4:59 PM

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Arrgh. I shouldn't have been too quick to rate this episode 4/5.

But anyways, I admit this episode was somewhat thrilling, especially the parts when Rin opened that book (that was unexpectedly chilling). The animation is pretty well done too.

I think the (filler) episode is good overall, but the part where Rin had her little battle with Ryuunosuke didn't sit too well with me. Well more specifically the fact that Ryuunosuke didn't react much until after Rin broke that bracelet thing. Unless it's to show that Ryuunosuke can't see magic (which I can't remember whether he reacted to Rin's magic or not atm)...then okay. Anyhow, it just kind of bothered me how they portray Ryuunosuke handling the situation with Rin coming in to save her friend and the other kids.

Speaking of that, the outcome/ending of Rin's complete success with saving her friend ended up being too unrealistic and bit too happy compared to the one in the novel. I think it would have been better if they stick with the outcome in the novel because:
Ketuekigami said:
Fate/Zero is supposed to be a story of hopelessness and terror and Rin saving Kotone took a little from that. Her not finding Kotone in the novel felt like a stage setter for the terrible world of magic her life is gonna pass through.
Also, it would have better portrayed how dangerous and risky it really is to stay at Fuyuki when there is a Holy Grail War going on (not to mention the fact that one of the servants involved is a crazy, sadistic murderer).

But other than that, I surprisingly find this episode more enjoyable than expected. Still wish they expanded a little more on the conversation between Kariya and Aoi.

3.5/5.
 
Dec 3, 2011 5:09 PM

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Dec 3, 2011 5:15 PM

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Rin as a child. Cute, but kind of pointless episode unless that bracelet or Rin actually plays a role in the war later on.
 
Dec 3, 2011 5:28 PM

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2nd season?
Isn't it too early to think about that?
I have seen anime that have end in the middle maybe this will be that way too. xD

They've already announced a second season will air for Spring 2012.
 
Dec 3, 2011 5:28 PM

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stevewiess01 said:

That was a close moment for Rin there...
I was surprised she had one of those ahogao faces. She looked terrible there.

It was a good thing that face only lasted for a second.

 
Dec 3, 2011 5:52 PM

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Well I don't know about you all but should you not praise Rin for the following,

after all she saved kids! She is hero! It's not just the MOE, it's about saving lives!

It's also about the following,

add to that the moment in the spoiler
and you have a total Uryuu humiliation! The saying goes even a kid can beat you Uryuu! HAHAHAHA! The joy of my life especially after having been trolled by Kotone's death. TBH there is nothing more to give out to Rin then the following,

Rin you are a hero and my respect went for you over 9000! I really will respect her and understand her strong feelings of protecting people more than before TBH with this episode.

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Dec 3, 2011 5:54 PM

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Good episode,Loli Rin is soooo cute!

Loli Rin episode,what more can Rin's fans ask!!

Seeing Tokiomi other side as a father was nice he is a good father.

She being super popular in school,everyone trying to get her help was cute,Rin fighting Uryuu for the kids and destroying the bracelet was amazing she kickass on that scene!,she almost getting "rape"by the book,almost getting kill by Uryuu make her grow and make her even better mage i loved she was able to do the crystal at the end.

Kariya saving Rin and then saying what a worthless mother Aoi is and that he will save Sakura the best of all the episode.

Next episode back to the war!!

Btw Rin Gifs for the win!!



EDIT:Damn you Yume you win me in Gifs :S"...you win i will go and cry now in a corner T_T
awesome job again btw o.o

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Dec 3, 2011 6:05 PM
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Is it a side story? Idk... But it's good to tie up the character from fate/stay night to this. :D
 
Dec 3, 2011 6:27 PM

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Thess said:
The LN chapter is focused on her failure and meddling, a lesson of humility. She should have gotten owned and rescued because she was incredibly stupid to venture into the night. The episode should have mentally scarred her, not validating her sheer stupidity. She's about 6 or so, no way she could beat a serial killer who makes furniture and musical instruments out of children. Sorry.

If they are changing stuff for a "happy ending" now, people are going to be very cautious for the things to come.


Haven't read the LN, but I did read the Fate/Stay Night VN and one of the things going on between Rin and Shiro



That whole thing wouldn't make sense if Rin had seem "children furniture" when she was 6. Not saying its cool to forget the LN and do whatever the hell they want in the anime, but maybe the episode wasn't so full of bullshit after all and might had the writer's blessing in making in more like a "prequel" to FSN and a bit less about "hopelessness and sadness." I'm sure from now on it will be about both seeing how everyone have to die for FSN to take place.

And is Ryuusuke a magus or not? Cause if he is not, and that bracelet was something caster gave him to make children follow him with rape faces(as his final comment when he is holding the broken thing suggests) than a 6 year old MAGUS actually can beat a normal person, even if that person happens to be into the people furniture business.

Am I reading way to much into a filler episode trying to piece it into nasuniverse? Probably. Isn't that what episode discussion forums are all about? ;D
 
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It figures that the only happy ending in here would be non-canon filler material made just for the show.

Rin never found and saved Kotone or any other children in the Novel, nor did she encounter Uryuu and fight him off.

(And don't jump on me for using the word filler, it's fine if you enjoyed the episode but that's exactly what much of it was, they had to fill out an episode with just 11 pages, they made stuff up and gave entire scenes to things that were only given a single sentence's mention in the novel).

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Haven't read the LN, but I did read the Fate/Stay Night VN and one of the things going on between Rin and Shiro



That whole thing wouldn't make sense if Rin had seem "children furniture" when she was 6. Not saying its cool to forget the LN and do whatever the hell they want in the anime, but maybe the episode wasn't so full of bullshit after all and might had the writer's blessing in making in more like a "prequel" to FSN and a bit less about "hopelessness and sadness." I'm sure from now on it will be about both seeing how everyone have to die for FSN to take place.

And is Ryuusuke a magus or not? Cause if he is not, and that bracelet was something caster gave him to make children follow him with rape faces(as his final comment when he is holding the broken thing suggests) than a 6 year old MAGUS actually can beat a normal person, even if that person happens to be into the people furniture business.

Am I reading way to much into a filler episode trying to piece it into nasuniverse? Probably. Isn't that what episode discussion forums are all about? ;D


She didn't see any children furniture in the Novel, she went out looking and then the part with Kariya showing up and saving her happened.

It's true that even a young Rin might have been able to beat Uryuu, but she never ran into him in the first place.
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Dec 3, 2011 6:35 PM

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so rin saved the kids...ok i dont see why everyone hates this or everything else about this ep.

I dont see why its bad to have A SINGLE episode about the child of one of the masters or why its bad that for once something good happens in this story.those of you that have already read the LN should know that the happiest moment in the series is....oh wait fate zero is basically a bad ending.sakura in the first ep was enough to saw how hopeless everything is, so Rin saving the day isnt that bad.And its not like they did like deen did with sakura's route in F/SN(>_>)....

and for those that want more fights or think that the last eps were bad because they were lacking "Awesome battles".if fate/zero was only about fights between spirits i would watch Bleach and i wouldn't even touch the LN.

ufotable did a really good job until now and i really doubt they gave rin so much screentime because of her fans...
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ssjokg said:

ufotable did a really good job until now and i really doubt they gave rin so much screentime because of her fans...


They actually "Did it".
Read Thess's Comment again about "what really happened" in the Light Novel.

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Dec 3, 2011 6:49 PM

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I love Tohsaka Rin and she truly kicked some major ass in this episode. I personally didn't find it boring or uninteresting - it was over in a flash just like the previous episodes. Visuals and music were spectacular yet again.
 
Dec 3, 2011 7:04 PM

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kaimax said:
ssjokg said:

ufotable did a really good job until now and i really doubt they gave rin so much screentime because of her fans...


They actually "Did it".
Read Thess's Comment again about "what really happened" in the Light Novel.


i know what happened in the LN. what i want to say is people raging about small things in a 7 page side story.would it be better if it were like the LN?HELL YEAH.

in the end the overall story in FZ is not affected at all.
i too wanted to see kiritsugu to hold baby iliya in his arms(very start of ep1)but instead what i got was him looking at the snow falling outside.and i think seeing kiritsugu like this was far more important than rin's trauma
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ssjokg said:
kaimax said:
ssjokg said:

ufotable did a really good job until now and i really doubt they gave rin so much screentime because of her fans...


They actually "Did it".
Read Thess's Comment again about "what really happened" in the Light Novel.


i know what happened in the LN. what i want to say is people raging about small things in a 7 page side story.would it be better if it were like the LN?HELL YEAH.

in the end the overall story in FZ is not affected at all.
i too wanted to see kiritsugu to hold baby iliya in his arms(very start of ep1)but instead what i got was him looking at the snow falling outside.and i think seeing kiritsugu like this was far more important than rin's trauma


That's actually the only really annoying thing about this.

I'm not going to lose any sleep over the changes made here but since they came out of a necessity to stretch the story over more episodes I find it slightly irritating that up until now they've removed scenes and lines that actually happened in the Novel to save time only for them to end up inserting stuff that never happened in the Novel like this to fill time.
 
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Haven't read the LN, but I did read the Fate/Stay Night VN and one of the things going on between Rin and Shiro



It was implied that she suppressed the memory of this episode it was too horrible for her to handle it (the terror she experienced) and that she could not see anything in the dark, but she imagined it what was that. She's a kid. I wish they would have made Uryuu give her a beating of her life, instead (since he was also inserted here and killed all the threat from the upcoming episodes when a little girl 'defeats him') to make a point that this Holy Grail War isn't a child's business.

The way this was adapted was completely against the mood of the series. Rin was meant to be another helpless victim, not a heroine. If they were going to add scenes about it, then get some in the mood of the story.
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Thanks Topgunuk69 and Thess for the clarifications.

The episode by itself feels like a 4/5, but when placed together with the rest of F/Z it does feel out of place. Oh well, If naruto fillers where like this I wouldn't have to drop it.
 
Dec 3, 2011 7:44 PM

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Being a Rin fan, of course I enjoyed the episode even though it's just a side story/filler. Loli Rin is instant WIN. And if you think this filler is bad. At least it's not Bleach filler or Naruto filler.
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The worst episode until now, but still enjoyed watching.
 
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ssjokg said:
i too wanted to see kiritsugu to hold baby iliya in his arms(very start of ep1)but instead what i got was him looking at the snow falling outside.and i think seeing kiritsugu like this was far more important than rin's trauma


Not that I despise Rin (in fact I like her), but I have to agree with this ^
I wonder if Kiritsugu holding Ilya might be one of those uncut scenes. I sure hope so because it's a really important part (in terms of Kiritsugu's character/personality).


@ Yumekichi: I have nothing against Rin trying to save her classmate and the kids (even though its foolish, it was really brave of her regardless) but I feel like Rin's complete success with owning Ryuunosuke and getting the kids out of there alive without Ryuunosuke getting an opportunity to retaliate...just doesn't sit too well with me. Especially since Fate/Zero has made a strong impression on me of having an overall dark, serious mood...where things don't usually go well or happen on a happy tone.

Rin owning a despicable criminal was awesome..by itself. However, not within the context of Fate/Zero.



And I almost forgot to mention about the preview:
I seriously CAN'T WAIT! >__< One of my top favorite scenes
ever from the novel 8D I especially can't wait to hear a certain character
guffawing and laughing "like there was no tomorrow" (I'm borrowing what Monochrome said to me once xD).

His laugh in the sound drama at least was one of the most contagious, hilarious laughs I have ever heard in my life. So contagious that I can't help but want to laugh with him. Hoping his seiyuu will make his laugh as contagious and hilarious in the next episode.

Anyhow, I wouldn't mind if the next or two full episodes is dedicated to one of my top favorite scenes of Fate/Zero <3 Which makes me wonder whether I should watch it right when it comes out or I should wait and watch the next two episodes after I'm completely done with my final projects and papers for this semester. Because I know I will rewatch the next two episodes thousands of times. Which wouldn't be good if I'm trying to finish my projects and papers in time..
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another good episode
love rin XD
and screw tokiomi haters he is a great mage, who knows how to strategically defeat his opponents to achieve victory, he is probably one of my fav characters and im glad he is a great father to his daughter
 
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I felt so sorry for Kariya when he appeared, he is looking even worst than before. Damn Zouken, you really are a worm.


Filler episode so I didn't find it so interesting. But next week seems interesting, really interesting, can't wait for it.
 
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honestly it's the first time i felt bored while watching Fate/Zero -.-"
but kariya kariya Kariya KARIYA HAS FINALLY SHOWED UP <333333333333

4\5 bcuz the appearance of Kariya & Ryunosuke :b
 
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Worst episode of the season, but still a good one. I'd like to think that this ep was also made to show how Tokiomi was not necessarily a bad father to Rin. Also, people complaining about how this was a filler episode: It was pretty obvious in last week's preview. Even the title was a giveaway.

BUT FOR SRS. Ufotable makes the best sceneries/backdrops. They've got that really eerie feel to them.
 
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Tbh I preferred this episode to the LN content that was adapted. Maybe it was a bit dragged out, but I thought the character development with regards to Rin/Tokiomi was good. The backgrounds were great, major Kara no Kyoukai vibes :D

Absolutely cannot wait for next week. Rider's NP is gonna be fantastic ^_^
 
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Even though I enjoyed seeing Rin, I thought this was a boring episode. However, I do appreciate the work put in, that scene where Rin was running around was so creepy.
 
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Don't know why people didn't like this, I actually thought it was great!
Was so anxious from the anticipation of Caster popping out of no where SURPRISE BUTTSECKS , but he didn't xD
 
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KyouEri said:
I liked it even if it was a filler, But that's probably just me being a TYPE-MOON fanboy.

5/5

Rin is the best


Same here. I admit it wasn't near as good as the other episodes but I still loved it. Specially since Rin is one of my favorite characters.
 
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Honestly, this episode is now officially overrated and overpraised just because of Rin.
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Dec 3, 2011 9:56 PM

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Sorry, I love this anime but this episode was basically filler and I understand that they may need to make time, but they could've done something other than a Rin's adventure episode. Only parts I liked was a bit of info on the Tohsaka father and seeing Berserker's master (one of my favs)
 
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The animation and detail of the compass + mana gems were AMAZING!
Rin dedicated episode makes this episode completely full of win too~
AND I KNOW I CAN'T WAIT FOR NEXT EPISODE, :D:D:D
 
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@ Yumekichi: I have nothing against Rin trying to save her classmate and the kids (even though its foolish, it was really brave of her regardless) but I feel like Rin's complete success with owning Ryuunosuke and getting the kids out of there alive without Ryuunosuke getting an opportunity to retaliate...just doesn't sit too well with me. Especially since Fate/Zero has made a strong impression on me of having an overall dark, serious mood...where things don't usually go well or happen on a happy tone.

Rin owning a despicable criminal was awesome..by itself. However, not within the context of Fate/Zero.
I understand but understand that after the shitty ass murdering shit that Uryuu did to kids, sheer justice with a4 hammer have been delivered of those dead kids by Rin. It is to say the least a homage to avenging those kids.

That being said MOE does not really belong in this series except seldom inserted. Now this episode concentrated half MOE half serious with Berseker's Master being the final punch in this episode.

BTW is it me or Berserker's Master can control the locust swarm?

Except something doesn’t sit well with me....how did he gain control of it?
What can it do?
Can it be killed?
Totally or partially and regenerates?
Thanks to anyone who knows of this.

Point being that despite them changing things, glorifying Rin is good IMO.

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