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Nov 24, 2011 8:26 PM

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Very beginning of the fight. Maya shot him down, he fell on the ground. She takes a few steps towards the supposed body, but he flanks her from the side. Pretty sure she would notice a "dead body" throwing a knife and would at least try to dodge it; it couldn't have come from the Kirei on the ground that she was looking at. I assumed he put some kind of clone/illusion technique that made her thing she got him as he approached from the side.

EDIT: Or was assassin who threw that dagger on her leg? It looked like one of Kirei's weapons though. Well, not like I've seem what assassin throwing daggers are like. Could anyone help me make sense of that?
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Nov 24, 2011 8:38 PM

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Faker_ said:
Very beginning of the fight. Maya shot him down, he fell on the ground. She takes a few steps towards the supposed body, but he flanks her from the side.

He faked the fall there, then just hopped right back up when she came within his range.
 
Nov 24, 2011 8:42 PM

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But she just realize that AFTER the knife hits her. Wouldn't she see the body she's walking towards to throw a dagger? Even if there was no time to dodge, look at her expression. She's clueless until it hits her. Also, it comes from the side, not the place where she walking towards.
 
Nov 24, 2011 9:04 PM

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Faker_ said:
But she just realize that AFTER the knife hits her. Wouldn't she see the body she's walking towards to throw a dagger? Even if there was no time to dodge, look at her expression. She's clueless until it hits her. Also, it comes from the side, not the place where she walking towards.

Just goes to show how fast Kirei can move in his prime. The Light Novel explicitly explained that part



I think from what we've seen from that part it was pretty obvious that a couple of bullets wouldn't be enough to put Kirei down (at least if they hit his protected parts), and the brief construction site fight in episode 6 showed how agile Kirei can be.
 
Nov 24, 2011 9:31 PM

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Yes, but the angle the knife comes from threw me off. Reading the quote from the light novel, I would expect the animation to be a knife coming from the front, unless Black Keys can do boomerang moves. Other friends watching the anime who didn't read the light novel thought it was weird too, so I'm not the only one that got confused by the way it was animated. I guess even ufotable could have done things slight better sometimes. I won't nitpick on this anymore now that I understand though. The anime still 10/10, if an attack coming from an weird angle is all this show have to show for "imperfection" in 8 episodes, they are awesome.

Thanks a lot for the clarification lolzteez
 
Nov 24, 2011 11:02 PM

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Kirei's just that awesome to throw a Black Key from the weirdest angle while lying down and hit Maiya's leg :P
 
Nov 26, 2011 12:21 AM
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Faker_ said:
Yes, but the angle the knife comes from threw me off. Reading the quote from the light novel, I would expect the animation to be a knife coming from the front, unless Black Keys can do boomerang moves. Other friends watching the anime who didn't read the light novel thought it was weird too, so I'm not the only one that got confused by the way it was animated. I guess even ufotable could have done things slight better sometimes. I won't nitpick on this anymore now that I understand though. The anime still 10/10, if an attack coming from an weird angle is all this show have to show for "imperfection" in 8 episodes, they are awesome.

Thanks a lot for the clarification lolzteez


I rewatched the episode, and the knife goes straight at her leg at a 0 degree angle (aka from in front of her). There is no weird angle...
 
Nov 26, 2011 3:21 PM

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Once again great stuff. Zero Lancer's such a great guy; it's really a shame what happens to him. Turning little kids into eldritch abominations? It's ok since it's all for JEAAAAAAANNNNEEE. Hoe did Saber stay so bloodless throughout that shower? We'll never know. Also, Kotomine. Just jogs on over, kung-fu's the hell outta a tree then proceeds to stomp the women and chil- women. And then promptly jogs away.
Right after checking to see if homunculus blood is red, of course; that shit is important.
Loved the Natalia flashback, looking good Ms. Flight Attendent. Kiritsugu destroying the Enizbern castle only for it to get rebuilt only for it to get sword spammed much later. Poor real estate, castles don't appear out of nowhere, they cost shit tons of money. Kayneth isn't helping any by vomiting blood all over the fine carpeting after that Origin Bullet cocktail; good thing ZeBro Lancer appeared to drag his ass home.
And then accidentally NTR his wife.


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Nov 26, 2011 6:27 PM

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Bah. I had to wait a whole week to watch this episode of Fate/Zero. I was seriously going through withdrawal symptoms. Stupid computer being stupid and not functioning. Oh, well. At least I have another episode to watch tonight.

Kirei Kotomine steals every scene he's in. The guy is insane. At first I was wondering how he was able to deflect the bullets, but the internet answered that question. Great character. Very complex too. I can see him winning the war, as he's unpredictable, highly skilled and has absolutely nothing to hold him back, unlike Kiritsugu who genuinely cares for Irisviel.

Also, what's up with Kariya? He's barely even in the story.

Fantastic episode once again.
 
Dec 1, 2011 8:25 PM

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Wait wait wait. What happened to Kirei between Zero and Fate/Stay Night? He is 100 times more badass in this than he was in F/S N. He didin'y really do anything impressive in Fate or UBW routes on his own.
 
Dec 1, 2011 8:57 PM

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Tsukaji said:
Wait wait wait. What happened to Kirei between Zero and Fate/Stay Night? He is 100 times more badass in this than he was in F/S N. He didin'y really do anything impressive in Fate or UBW routes on his own.


Actually he was a badass in FSN(particularly HF).
 
Dec 1, 2011 9:34 PM

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Ragna92 said:
Tsukaji said:
Wait wait wait. What happened to Kirei between Zero and Fate/Stay Night? He is 100 times more badass in this than he was in F/S N. He didin'y really do anything impressive in Fate or UBW routes on his own.


Actually he was a badass in FSN(particularly HF).


Well, I guess that is the problem... I haven't seen HF yet. Only Fate and UBW.
 
Dec 3, 2011 8:32 AM

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Great episode. Several characters escaped near death in this one. For a moment there, I thought Irisviel was finished, it was good thinking by Kiritsugu to make her bear Avalon for safety, that allowed her to escape mortal danger this time. Kirei demonstrated why he's absolutely one of the most dangerous Masters, and as we know from F/SN, he's one of the Masters who survived this ruthless Holy Grail War.

Kayneth escaped certain death at the hands of Kiritsugu via Lancer's interference. I'm feeling rather sure that the injuries he suffered in this fight will permanently weaken him, though. This fight demonstrated to me why Kiritsugu is called the Magus Killer. He would have finished him off right there if it wasn't for Lancer.

Caster got away too easily, but it's almost assured that he'll be the first Servant to fall because he has essentially a price on his head now.
 
Dec 12, 2011 3:52 PM

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Call me a sick bitch, but I totally loved seeing Iri getting stabbed by three blades simultaneously. Lancer's Master's loss was great as well.
 
Jan 5, 2012 10:55 AM
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Kirei is such a bastard, but that's why he's awesome.
 
Jan 27, 2012 5:17 AM

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The fuck? Maiya sprayed Kirei with bullets and he got them straight on and he wasn't damaged?

Also, I got raging boners watching Iris getting stabbed.
 
Feb 6, 2012 1:23 PM

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sooo worth seeing that pompous ass get what he had coming to him!
 
Feb 22, 2012 6:17 PM

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even though i can't stop fapping, it really bothered me that the two women sat there slack-jawed and staring as Kirie struggles with his hands tied together and back turned for a good 20 seconds. wish that was portrayed a little better. otherwise 5/5
Ooo, what a lovely tea party.
 
Mar 2, 2012 4:25 PM
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Awesome episode. I did wonder whether Avalon was going to come in at some point and I'm really glad things like that have been thought about.
 
Mar 26, 2012 1:53 PM

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I wonder how many Origin Bullets Kiritsugu went through in his years as a Mage Killer. 66 is far from a large number.
 
May 15, 2012 6:53 PM

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It's really not a surprise that Saber failed to save Britain since her strategic ability is next to 0. She doesn't fit to be a king, but rather a knight instead.

Why so much hate towards Iris? She hasnt done anything worth hating her.
 
May 22, 2012 5:59 PM

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Wow...after two slower episodes the action returns with a huge bang. A bullet that cuts your magic circuits and painfully rebinds them. Somehow I interpreted magic circuits, in this context, as blood vessels and found that really graphic.

And I was genuinely worried that what Kirei did to Iris would be fatal.
 
Aug 5, 2012 4:47 PM
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This anime is mature... depressing.. but still

bugs, breaking small girls mind...
now stabbing Irisviel T_T ... these types of anime are just so sad.
 
Aug 9, 2012 4:21 AM

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An ok episode

 
Aug 23, 2012 5:07 PM

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What the fuck why doesn't anybody die? I got bored at this episode because I knew some bullshit would happen and everyone will survive. This show is so anticlimactic.
 
Aug 24, 2012 12:40 AM

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This show is so anticlimactic.

If you think that death=progression of the story then there is something wrong with how you watch anime.
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Aug 24, 2012 4:19 AM

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screambloodygore said:
What the fuck why doesn't anybody die?
I think that's a good thing as it gives more time for characterization. I personally wouldn't want to see such interesting characters get killed of so early on in the war.

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screambloodygore said:
This show is so anticlimactic.

If you think that death=progression of the story then there is something wrong with how you watch anime.
In this anime it kind of is, isn't it? After all, with each death we get closer to a winner. Of course, there's more to the story than that.
 
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screambloodygore said:
What the fuck why doesn't anybody die?
I think that's a good thing as it gives more time for characterization. I personally wouldn't want to see such interesting characters get killed of so early on in the war.

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screambloodygore said:
This show is so anticlimactic.

If you think that death=progression of the story then there is something wrong with how you watch anime.
In this anime it kind of is, isn't it? After all, with each death we get closer to a winner. Of course, there's more to the story than that.

Come on in how many anime where the story is about a war/war game everyone starts dying in the first part of the show?And lets not forget that the Holy grail wars could end without any Master dying.As for the Servants....If you had supposedly well known heroes(Gill de Rais, Diarmuid and I doubt anyone knows Medea unless they grow up in Greece) fight each other and everyone started falling like flies.... would you like that show?Might as well have Gilgamesh end the war from day 1.And season 1 is far from anticlimactic anyway.
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Sep 11, 2012 2:27 PM
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There are no words to explain how beastly this scene was.


And god that scene of Iri getting stabbed with her mouth covered looked painful!
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Sep 13, 2012 4:43 AM

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Nice episode.
 
Sep 13, 2012 4:57 AM

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I wonder how many Origin Bullets Kiritsugu went through in his years as a Mage Killer. 66 is far from a large number.
The LN mentions he has 12 bullets left.
 
Sep 14, 2012 12:35 AM

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Greatness.
 
Sep 14, 2012 3:21 AM

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I'm glad there are no deaths until now, at least it needs some character development and we're getting it in the first episodes. I believe someone will die before the end of Series 1, it would be disappointing to have all alive. But for now it's good, the story moves forward episode after episode.

Maybe it's my favorite episode so far, battles were great and Lancer is epic.
 
Sep 14, 2012 7:47 PM

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Aw man, I wanted Lancers master to die D=. That bullet wasted for nothing!

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Sep 15, 2012 5:20 AM
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Hakuromatsu said:
I wonder how many Origin Bullets Kiritsugu went through in his years as a Mage Killer. 66 is far from a large number.
The LN mentions he has 12 bullets left.


No, he has 29 left (28 now).

"Kiritsugu had already used thirty-seven bullets, but not a single one of them was wasted. The bullets that were made using a part of his body had already completely destroyed thirty-seven magi. Now, the thirty-eighth "Origin Bullet" severed a new sacrifice’s life force. "

But IIRC he only brought 12 to Fuyuki.
 
Nov 21, 2012 12:38 PM

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Quite an epic episode if you ask me! But damn that ending was shocking, good that she isn't dead!
 
Dec 20, 2012 10:29 PM

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Damn when she got stabbed in the stomach like that I though she was gone ... Well glad she is still alive, lucky her ... anyways that bullet of Kiritsugu's seems pretty op though if I heard it right and it took a rib to make ... still op ...
 
Dec 21, 2012 11:04 AM

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Damn when she got stabbed in the stomach like that I though she was gone ... Well glad she is still alive, lucky her ... anyways that bullet of Kiritsugu's seems pretty op though if I heard it right and it took a rib to make ... still op ...


Nah, Kayneth just went full retard in that scenario, becoming a victim of his own emotions
 
Jan 29, 2013 3:17 AM
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So, Irısviel is not a homunculus?

Kirei's running is funny btw.
 
Jan 29, 2013 4:31 AM

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So, Irısviel is not a homunculus?
She is a homunculus.
 
Mar 3, 2013 9:04 AM

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Simply amazing, every single episode so far was interesting and exciting.

 
Mar 7, 2013 5:13 AM

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Kirei's running is funny btw.
It is sexy.
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Mar 8, 2013 9:45 AM
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Is it Superman? Is it Wolverine? No, it's Kotomine Kirei.
 
Mar 26, 2013 4:49 PM

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I was really not expecting anything from Kirei since in FSN he is not that awesome. But now, wow, he is like a human steel. And that string thingy from Iriesviel is amazing.


Saber and Lancer are just too polite with each other.. Can't blame them though since both of them are knights.
 
Mar 26, 2013 6:23 PM

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OMG OMG 6 minutes in i swear fkn Alucard in Anderson"s boots.by that i mean my fav fkn char Kotomine at first just because his voice was actually Aluicard's from hellsing.jizzed pants look at him holding his swords blocking all those bullets in the forest scene SOOO HELLSING.Reminiscent of Anderson but with Alucard's voice you'd see the irony of this since his characters first arrival if youve watched hellsing since his definite main rival was a wylin priest in that series
Feels like losing all five senses &
Maybe not able to have thoughts,

Enjoi...
 
Mar 27, 2013 3:42 AM

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I was really not expecting anything from Kirei since in FSN he is not that awesome. But now, wow, he is like a human steel. And that string thingy from Iriesviel is amazing.


Saber and Lancer are just too polite with each other.. Can't blame them though since both of them are knights.

Well yeah since 1)Fate route is the weakest of the 3 scenarios 2)Deen's adaptation of FSN sucks.
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Apr 2, 2013 12:03 PM

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I thoroughly enjoyed the ass shot we had of Kotomine.
It's a shame that his expectations of Kiritsugu will betray him in the end.
 
Jun 11, 2013 8:25 AM

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For a moment i thought that Irisviel is going to die. Glad that didn't happen. And Lancers master got his ass kicked. Can't wait to see what's next.
 
Jun 11, 2013 9:26 AM

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yey yeah! it works! the handgun.. it work! eat that you pops :p

btw maiya vs kirei is really cool.. especially when blade vs knife..
kirei is really annoying btw.. -_- thats too much for a girl -_- poor maiya..
and I was really "sigh*" when relize Iri is not dead.. good guy kiritsugu saving this woman :p

btw why caster dont just die? :/ I kind of like this fighting scene between caster vs saber and lancer.. the blood rain when the caster hougo break is kind of cool ;3
 
Jun 29, 2013 7:17 AM

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Awesome battle scenes. Though i was scared for Irisviel there for a second.

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