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Dec 14, 2009 5:50 AM
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I rented this movie, sat down to watch it, got through an hour and a half, and couldn't sit through the last half of the movie. I felt like it dragged on really slowly and was boring. I'll have to watch this another time when I feel more enthusiastic about watching it, because so many people say how amazing this movie is, so I'm wondering "Did I miss something?"
Dec 23, 2009 1:40 PM

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The animation is very nice, the story is ok, but the end... could have been better.
Jan 22, 2010 1:23 AM

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One of those movies that leave you in deep thought and very engaging. Loved it for its story and deep meanings. 9/10
Feb 13, 2010 8:54 AM
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tinyRedLeaf said:
The movie opened in Singapore on Nov 27, and I watched it twice, on Nov 28 and 29 respectively.

On first impression, I found it to be another Mamoru Oshii movie courtesy of Production I.G, ie, a tediously boring experience.

But that impression changed during my second viewing. I suppose this is one of those films that gets better with repeated watching, as you'd realise what to look out for after finding out how it ends.

Also, watching it more than once helps to reinforce the movie's central theme. Try it, and you'd see what I mean.

And, oh yeah, for those of you who haven't watched the movie, remember to stay for the epilogue that comes after the credits - it'll give much-needed closure to the film. ;)

I'm still perplexed by the end of the movie.
This is the biggest change from the original story. There must be a significant reason for this.

My answer, which is more or less the same as yours:

More importantly, I wondered if anyone else noticed?

I guess I can appreciate this movie more than I did the first time I saw it because of the message it sends. Great story and very deep meanings indeed.

However, one question has been bugging me for a long time: if the point is to live on in order to break the cycle, would it have been better to start this break during the last battle...

I don't know what you think, but I think it would have been a good way to pave the path for Suito to follow through and break that cycle for good after a real fresh start with a huge obstacle out.
Modified by Kira-Tsubasafan, Feb 13, 2010 8:57 AM
Feb 16, 2010 1:05 PM
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^ The Teacher may be replaced by a pilot as good as him. This is a staged war after all, everything is calculated to perfection, if one thing "breaks down"/dies it just gets replaced, like Kannami in the epilogue.

And if the Teacher got replaced, nothing would be accomplished, no broken cycle.
May 17, 2010 9:08 PM

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should i be as depressed as i am after having watched this?
Jul 16, 2010 7:47 AM

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This was trying to be very clever but it fell somewhat flat because the movie is only portraying one small part of a much larger story. (As far as I could tell... or at least, that was the sense that I got.)

"I have to kill my father!" -- What the fuck? That came out of nowhere. So Teacher is Kannami's father? Really? Sure, whatever.

I had thought that Teacher may have been the father of Suito's kid but now I'm wondering if Kannami was the father. I can't remember if it was Kannami's previous incarnation or Teacher in the flashback where Suito is sleeping with someone at the whorehouse.

I liked it, but I was very confused at the end because of all the unanswered questions and what I suspect was an awful translation (I watched it dubbed). And I agree with everyone that it was really well animated and nice to look at. 5/10, maybe a 6 if I let it sink in or rewatch.
Modified by yamakasi, Jul 16, 2010 7:51 AM
Aug 24, 2010 1:52 AM
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10/10. Great. The pace is slow, however this is deliberate.
It gives you time think and to develop feelings.
"Father" - is also biblical allusion to the one of Creators (just like in Blade Runner movie).
Nov 7, 2010 8:13 AM

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Great, just great! The animation was at Masterpiece, i was little confused by the story itself and sometime it was getting boring actually. But it was simply awesome! 7/10

Nov 8, 2010 8:22 PM

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Not too big on slow pacing.

Not too big on some sort of endless loop (blame Endless Eight for that.)

But a sucker for beautiful scenery and environment in nearly every frame.

And a sucker for air battles.


PS: Being an adaptation as it is, it seems like it was something where I had to at least know something about the original to, I guess, become engaged with the plot and the characters. But the slow pacing and later this theme of some sort of endless loop kept me from any significant amount of enjoyment.

PSS: The degree of indifference in this movie made me feel indifferent in this post.

Nov 20, 2010 7:38 AM

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WindFalcon said:
I can see that a lot of people didn't understand and/or missed the point of the movie, which is really sad. Because this movie is so much more than "eye candy", "dogfight porn" etc.

For me the movie is one of the best I have watched in the past several months, perfect plot progression, brain food, and overall enjoyment.

Feb 18, 2011 6:00 PM
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WoW,That plot was a mess to watch,but by the end i peiced it all together ;)
The characters sucked.Everyone looked alike and had no emotion what so ever.

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May 9, 2011 2:39 AM

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I loved every moment of the movie.. except the last few, which just completely and utterly pissed me off. No two ways about that.
Jun 20, 2011 2:13 PM

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Can't say if it was boring but the whole Kildren thing and the ending could have been better
Jul 15, 2011 6:33 PM

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I really liked the movie. Great movie for the past 6 months that I've watched. Liked the soundtrack and the ending theme of course. I'll definitely recommend this to my friends as we love mind working movies such as Inception, etc. But I do think the pacing is slow, but it kinda feels alright to just relax with it. :)
Jul 27, 2011 10:37 PM

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Well, it was interesting to watch, and I'm glad I watched it... But don't plan on ever watching it again. It was sooooooo long and boring, not going to lie. The concepts are great though, so I appreciate it for that much at least.
A very artsy film, and those are difficult to watch sometimes. Perhaps I needed to be in the right mood for it.

Also, Smoking Crawlers is a more apt name for this film. Or Staring into Space Crawlers.
Or Not Responding to Important Questions Crawlers.
I kid, I kid.

But here's a face representing every second scene of the film; each face is ten seconds long:
._. (doesn't respond to something important-sounding someone said)
._._ (cigarette in mouth)
._. (drops cigarette)

And I guess that was the point, now that I think about. Perhaps all of us are living rather meaningless lives. We can't really change anything, but what side of the road we're walking on. Very Daoist feeling to it all, perhaps?
Jul 28, 2011 7:55 PM

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One would have to take another look and realize the characters who are NOT Killdren had facial expressions.

It was the Killdren who didn't show any expression. Which sort of fit into the whole theme.
Aug 15, 2011 12:27 PM

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This was an interesting anime but was completely boring. The ending was good for what it was though
Oct 20, 2011 8:37 PM
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not the type of thing I'll ever watch again, but it was interesting.

The ending blew me away, it was so unexpected but at the same time fits so well.
Nov 5, 2011 6:07 AM

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I supposed all who post here already watched the movie. I finished watching it just now and just thought of putting something in here about the movie.

So if we put it on our perspective, the Kildrens where like clones with planted memories and such, only made to fight through air combat. Immortals that only dies when they get shot down. They probably for example 1 type of kildren got about 10+ more or even 100 or a 1000 more like him in ROSTOCK's Squadron but with just a different name and different in some body/face characteristics.

For example Kudagawa when he got shot down later on a new member joined there squadron, Totally different name but with the same hair color, as well as an OCD type of thing like what he does after reading a newspaper (folding it neatly) . The same cycle probably happened throughout the story maybe? As at the end Kannami died (which kind of made me feel horrible :/) Again a new member joined their squadron, but totally the same characteristic's like Kannami e.g. breaking the match sticks into half and throwing it away after lighting up a cigarrette.

In my opinion i think that was a great Movie. I would've loved to see how the war started and ended, but i guess it won't end as Kusanagi said in a game there's always a strong opponent and it would be an eternal game unless if that strong opponent is defeated.

Mar 17, 2012 4:15 AM
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Nice movie, I liked it. 6/10.
Nov 6, 2012 10:35 AM

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Jeez. I went in expecting airplane porn, came out with a multi layered story and a smile on my face. I really gotta start questioning the MAL users since shit like Guilty Crown and Deadman Wonderland got a higher average rating than this. Wtf guys?

Wonderful movie.
Jan 28, 2013 11:06 AM

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This was probably the worst character design that I've ever seen in an anime! However, the aerial scenes more than made up for it.

I wish I could say that I loved this movie, but no. It actually left me with more questions than answers and was lacking key elements to me. The viewer doesn't get to see inside of the organization that created these "Killdren." I would love to have seen how they are created and reincarnated.

I also would have liked to learn more about "Teacher." Was he the creator of the "Killdren"? And, was this even a real war that they were fighting or just pure entertainment for the adults?
Modified by Hannah_Ana, Jan 28, 2013 11:10 AM
Mar 18, 2013 5:03 AM

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Truelove said:

"Father" - is also biblical allusion to the one of Creators (just like in Blade Runner movie).

+1 Can be. And not the first time in Mamoru Oshii works.

Cholisose said:

And I guess that was the point, now that I think about. Perhaps all of us are living rather meaningless lives. We can't really change anything, but what side of the road we're walking on. Very Daoist feeling to it all, perhaps?

Yes. I had a word "Sansara" popping up in relation to this film, but not in any religious sense. The concept fits close to experience. Some kind of false infinity that has no good device, a game that plays it's participants, or maybe real players are not shown to us. This is all like life on Earth if you look throught excitement of a moment and isolated scenarios, that give illusion of movement. What realy moves though, is one's lifeblood streaming in the sand or stirring of a boiling pot, from which a being cannot escape. Anything can be had here by, except freedom. So, you realise this and despair (Kusanagi) but death can only give you a memory wipe. And if someone comes who could end this, he may need your help, your awareness of the situation. I'm glad that Osii doesn't lie here about a saviour of some kind, but rather honestly proposes a use of a chance that may come if you hold on and don't forget yourself and the truth you (Kusanagi) know. I don't know what it is and what may the change be, but it seems that Suito has something to try next time, there is more to her in Epilogue.

I can't say I enjoyed the movie, but I certainly liked it and I'm glad Oshii makes a meaningfull work once again.
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Apr 18, 2013 12:02 PM

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Confusing but I loved the soundtrack. I still dont really understand what the hell happened but the concept was interesting.

May 29, 2013 6:43 PM

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The scene after the credits will mend any broken hearts over this film. :')
Jun 20, 2013 11:09 PM
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To those confused --


Explains blandness of characters, the inevitably of life in this setting, etc.
Oct 19, 2013 5:16 AM

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The story was pretty damn interesting and the deep meaning this had is definitely something that makes one think.
I'm sure everything about the film itself has been said already and I'm too lazy to write a wall of text.
Not sure if the Kuldren (or however it's spelled) actually don't ago or if they're just "produced" and all die early.
They are replaceable though, just like most people in a real world war. Also a very unique film, I've never seen anything like it before (in terms on story).
Very interesting film, there should be more stuff like this instead of the bullshit that airs nowadays.

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Feb 1, 2014 4:33 AM

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Interesting theme of kildren. Alright movie I say. Deep plot but à little confusing. (So hard to type with à french keyboard, don bother with thé a's).
Apr 1, 2014 12:55 AM
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ugh never ending supplies of clones
Apr 12, 2014 11:33 AM

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Though not as prolific as the other works Oshii has been involved with, still a very good watch.
Kagami_Hiiragi said:
Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money.

Jun 5, 2014 8:59 PM

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Wish I could like this but I couldn't get into it. It was nicely animated, the music was alright and the character designs weren't the worst, but the pacing was NOT for me nor was the plot. Could not stay interested.

Tachii said:

^ this


watch nodame cantabile

recommend me anything!
Jul 12, 2014 11:02 AM

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When I saw this Movie many Years ago...I was quite...Well actually I can't even say what I tough that Movie at that moment...or more likely don't quite fully remember. In the end tough that movie was well not my favorite, but pretty OK....and also I was quite shock that

World where there is no wars but people fight in real battles in stead of Wars and die...quite shitty world in my opinion...sacrifices of the these people....make rest of their world safe? quite stupid world
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Aug 3, 2014 10:24 AM

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Well that was disappointing. The muffled engrish didnt help either.
Aug 16, 2014 9:30 PM

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An interesting movie. I have to say I rather enjoyed the romance, but I'm a sucker for depressed people confiding in one another. While the film might be taking a bit of a jab at the current state of the animation industry in Japan (what doesn't?) I would say it deals far more with the sort of anomie afflicting not just outcasts/hikkikomori as the ANN review mentioned but most youth today. At least, the reference to The Outsider solidified this for me. I thought the conclusion was rather cynical though. Just keep repeating things and (maybe) you'll eventually make a change for the better? okay.jpg

What was up with the owl symbol on the prostitutes chest? I hear it was supposed to be the sign of a guide and guardian... you know you have a shitty lot in life if a whore is your guide.
Modified by Ebrietas, Aug 16, 2014 9:50 PM
Oct 28, 2014 12:49 AM

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I liked the pacing and soundtrack. Animation was decent.

The way characters constantly ignore the main character's questions to keep the mystery going started to get annoying. In the end this movie had to have two very out-of-place information dump scenes to make up for all the withheld information. They really could have done better.
Jan 4, 2015 2:29 PM

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Superb animation, but very slow pacing... Philosophical story, though! - anime | manga | reviews
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Feb 4, 2015 4:42 PM
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I was waiting and hoping Kannami to come back, so was it actually Kannami that was killed at the end there? I was confused on which plane he was piloting. There was awkward pauses in this movie where a character would just stand in one spot and not do anything for like 2 minites lol.
Mar 14, 2015 6:32 PM

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9/10. CG planes looked great, nice Kawai soundtrack, and the story was subtle yet managed to get its point across...

It’s a clichéd phrase you often hear, but “war never changes”. This I believe is the most important lesson to take away from the film. Many scenes are repetitive on purpose, be it folding the newspaper, visiting the diner, conversations, bowling shots, plane movements, smoking, or the news reel. Most importantly is the Kildren, beings not considered human and who never age. They are soldiers used to fight our wars, something that also never changes.

The pilots are children for a simple reason, to show that war really is just a game, a farce. It’s immature and is sparked and forever repeated by the most petty of reasons.

This also a simple reason. War is driven by profit. Such is the reason the opposing armies are companies and their commander is named the Manager.

What I still don't get is why Yuuichi went after the Teacher towards the end, repeating the same mistakes as many had before him (and even mimicking the aforementioned loss by the other squadron). I mean this was just after he was done giving a to Suito about change and not giving up. Also why did he call him Father?
Modified by mwsmws22, Mar 14, 2015 6:35 PM
Mar 20, 2015 1:47 AM

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Why are some people saying that this movie's art and direction was pretentious at points ? Enlighten me please.
May 24, 2015 6:55 AM
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I felt about this movie that it was to much style over substance. It is the same problem I had with Innocence. The CGI dog gifts were awesome, but when the regular animation is mixed in, it looks very awkward. Kusunagi would win the award for the most akward sexual proposition ever
Oct 1, 2015 6:47 AM

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Almost bored me to death. 2/10
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Nov 10, 2015 4:03 PM
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Thanks for explanation dtshyk. Amazing dogfights! I must admit on the other hand, it really was a bit boring...
Mar 2, 2016 3:39 PM

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sounds of flight was kinda realistic but boring
ezaya said:
Almost bored me to death. 2/10

same here 5/10

May 18, 2016 11:52 AM

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God that was bland

I expected more

Nico- said:
@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite
Salman bin Abdul Aziz said:
@Comic_Sans I hate to insult you on forums but you are just a troll so just go kill yourself already bitch
Dec 8, 2016 4:01 PM

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I certainly guessed the whole 'plot twist' after few minutes of the movie.
Will check the TV anime adaptation of this.
Mar 8, 2017 5:20 AM
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Decent setting, good animation, good music. However, I never liked any of the characters. Well, except for the dog. The dog was cute though.

I find this very confusing and I just couldn't get into it. The pacing was boring as hell. This isn't my type of movie. Only 4/10 for me..
May 20, 2017 3:40 PM
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One of the greatest anime that i have ever seen, 10/10.

But this anime definitely not for everyone, since it is animated drama.
May 31, 2017 1:15 PM

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I just wonder what could Kusanagi do to break the cycle? It seems impossible to me. The Teacher and his clones (Kannami, past versions and future ones) are simply too important to be replaced. One is the biggest enemy and the other is an ace soldier. Kusanagi can only observe and live on, for her and her daughter.
Jul 10, 2017 4:47 PM

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I do not mind my anime to be more than just what it seems, but at least try to make the "what it seems" clear & well-written first before going into "let's put hidden philosophical message." Well, at least it was an enjoyable ride.

Buramitura said:
But this anime definitely not for everyone, since it is animated drama.

There are many other animated drama that have mass appeal. This anime is not for everyone because it puts "deep & philosophical message" first before constructing a strong plot.
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