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Oct 27, 2011 12:36 PM

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Excellent about Natsume background. According to the following,

she is filthy rich and has her own company. That limo looks wild!

On the other hand I loved the fact that:
SURVIVAL STRATEGY IS BACK OMG! I litereally screamed that out of happiness as Himari is well recovered and took finally some fresh air.

However the survival made me raise a little bit the eyebrow in regards to the following spoiler
Ecchi? Certainly and Himari of all doing a nasty punishment like that on the maid is Fabulous Max but it gives me the impression that Himari is being open more sexually or at least is less shy of those elements as she was much more shy before.

I guess the notion of that is "I got nothing to lose so I savor what I can" whereas before she was far more reserved even in her Survival Strategies. I am worried about Himari's libido on that one. Well the maid got the just punishment and I am damn happy Himari is back with her Survival Strategy.

There is a new ED some things have changed in the background and a new song. Natsume, I feel for you way more than before since I know much more about you. More later.
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Oct 28, 2011 12:56 AM

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the old man was seriously creepy...
bruh
 
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Oct 28, 2011 12:59 AM

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Hmm, the subs have been out for a while, but this episode's discussion is pretty empty. I'm going to assume it's because of the severe lack of Ringo.

Only sighting of her was here, still trying to get Shouma to forgive her:


the other highlight was Himari, demonstrating her resourcefulness:


And then there was that girl no one likes, taking up the rest of the episode. She has a terribly boring past. It might be a little more interesting if the maid was behind everything, but apparently Natsume's just too minor of a character for her to warrant that elaborate of a backstory.
 
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Oct 28, 2011 1:19 AM

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Awesome survival strategy sequence this week. It seems both the Takakura and Natsume fathers were involved with Sanetoshi and both might have sufferred the same fate. I also wonder if Masako'sfather involvement with Sanetoshi might be the reason why her grandfather had disowned.

I'm also confused why Masako doesn't recognize Himari as Kanba's sister and had her maid spy on her. Also, I compared the silhoutte of Himari's fated one to both child Mario and Kanba, and since the silhoutte had prominent ears and Mario's were hidden by his hair, Himari's fated one is more likely Kanba. It should've been obvious from the way they were dancing in the OP O_o

Aww, Ringo won't give up on Shouma, of all the chracters, they seem to be the only ones who'll get a happy ending, but I might be proven wrong. Wasn't the coffee shop in the preview the one that Tabuki and Yuri ate the mont blanc at? Could it be foreshadowing it will finally cover Tabuki's backstory?
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Oct 28, 2011 1:20 AM

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Looks like Kanba and Natsume are going to team up at some point against Sanetoshi.
 
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Oct 28, 2011 1:36 AM

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OH MY GAAAWD!
OH JESUS!

I've decided that Himari is the reincarnation of Momoka.

This is just based on the fact Sanetoshi has such an interest in her.

If someone else has already thought of this, I agree with them ^.^
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Oct 28, 2011 2:18 AM

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lal natsume is a boss xD
and kanba, the doctor is stealing your sister xD
lol mute "survival strategy" start xD

in the survival strategy, what is that grey carp like penguin? o_O

this one

it resemble the carps natsume's granfather had cautch
lal beware raw fish xD

xD kid kanba voice looks always so odd

this is becoming the most hilarious episode so far in this serie xD
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Oct 28, 2011 2:26 AM

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nextday said:
The first half of this episode definitely felt like a Nanami episode from Utena. Most comedic episode yet.

I lost it at the silent seizon senryaku. And again at the "OH NO MR PRESIDENT!" random english speaking guy.

The dialogue was great too. I quite enjoyed this episode and it's silliness.


All of this. It felt like Nanami's egg episode.
 
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SECOND BEST SURVIVAL STRATEGY EVER.
 
Oct 28, 2011 2:55 AM
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That was an amazing survival strategy.

Also that death was comical. Fucking ridiculous.
 
Oct 28, 2011 3:14 AM

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I like my women like my blowfish: stripped by me!!!
 
Oct 28, 2011 3:30 AM

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Zeando said:
in the survival strategy, what is that grey carp like penguin? o_O

this one

it resemble the carps natsume's granfather had cautch
lal beware raw fish xD
No, no you got it wrong. Raw fish does not do this to you. It is done only by this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takifugu
on that poor Natsume because in short the effect:
The poison paralyzes the muscles while the victim stays fully conscious, and eventually dies from asphyxiation. There is currently no antidote, and the standard medical approach is to try to support the respiratory and circulatory system until the effect of the poison wears off.
That is totally wild! Not only that it is the most deadliest fish in the world. Just one takes over 1 hour or more to make sure it is OK to eat. Do you really think that Sahe had the qualifications for a chef to strip that fish let alone do like 10 or more of them in one shot? Highly never would have made sure that there is no poison in such a short span.

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Oct 28, 2011 3:48 AM

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lol i love this weeks just because of the random english speaking and how many ways Natsume dreamt on killing her grandfather XD. keep the episodes comming I wanna see more survival strategies.
 
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Yumekichi11 said:
No, no you got it wrong. Raw fish does not do this to you. It is done only by this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takifugu
on that poor Natsume because in short the effect:
The poison paralyzes the muscles while the victim stays fully conscious, and eventually dies from asphyxiation. There is currently no antidote, and the standard medical approach is to try to support the respiratory and circulatory system until the effect of the poison wears off.
That is totally wild! Not only that it is the most deadliest fish in the world. Just one takes over 1 hour or more to make sure it is OK to eat. Do you really think that Sahe had the qualifications for a chef to strip that fish let alone do like 10 or more of them in one shot? Highly never would have made sure that there is no poison in such a short span.
it's like a fish-ball but with no needles :o
this is unrelated, raw fish does not poison you but it's still dangerous if not treated with low temperatures to kill all the bacteria(you may get an intestinal worm)
sure combining a highly poisonous fish and also eating it raw is a combobreaker xD

wonder if Sahe was only ignorant, stupid or had a death wish :/
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Oct 28, 2011 4:44 AM

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This episode had some pretty funny parts. That ED was hilarious too.
 
Oct 28, 2011 5:36 AM

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MR. PRESIDENT WATCH OOUUT
 
Oct 28, 2011 5:45 AM

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Pretty good episode. Like the fact that we got to know a bit more about Natsume. That survival strategy was "lmfao" worthy..so awesome.

Also, confirmation - Ringo is now Shoma's stalker..Finally :X haha..Thought it was sweet of her to say she will change fate and try to stay by his side..

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MR. PRESIDENT WATCH OOUUT

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Oct 28, 2011 5:54 AM

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Masako's dad looks similar to Kanba.
Ringo's dad looks similar to Tabuki (although I suppose that one doesn't count anymore)
So this is a show about stalker girls with daddy issues? xP

Well, I joke, but people loving people who look similar to their parents seems to be a running thing here. Himari looks similar to her mother, and Kanba looks similar to his father, so it works for them too (although, not necessarily romantic love here, since how Himari feels towards Kanba is still questionable)

I laughed at the MR PRESIDENT guy, and spent a good chunk of this episode just remembering that one episode of The Simpsons...
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Oct 28, 2011 6:18 AM
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DAT ED!!!!!

Also, Seiyzon Senryaku written down and being shown to the maid was the work of a genius. I hate my computer for being too slow to normally show the Senryaku... The audio always continues while the video stays behind, probably because it is animated THAT well.

Last part of the episode was REALLY strange, but still great.
 
Oct 28, 2011 6:22 AM

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Back story is always nice. Seems that Kanba and Natsume really did have some sort of past. I lol'd at kid Kanba's deep voice.

Next episode should be more interesting if it's about Tabuki.

Also, yeah, Seizon Senryaku is back! ^^
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Oct 28, 2011 6:48 AM
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Kid Kanba's deep voice made me go wtf for like a whole minute.
Grandpa Natsme working out image is burned into my head.
 
Oct 28, 2011 6:56 AM

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Totally can't understand anything.
I like Masako a lot, but in this episode, she is odd.
By the way, I love couple Kanba x Masako. And Himari? Whatever. I don't mind who she will end up with
 
Oct 28, 2011 7:40 AM

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This episode was unbelievably wonderful. I laughed so much throughout! All those dream deaths, the insane grandfather, Natsume talking on the phone while dying of poison, the nutso fun bonus ED... I love this show! Sooooooo very much.

:holds up placard, mouths out "Survival Strategy!":
 
Oct 28, 2011 7:41 AM

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LOLOLOLOFMAO episode.
 
Oct 28, 2011 7:42 AM
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Wow, so much creativity it's unbelievably good !

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Oct 28, 2011 7:50 AM

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"Isn't it electrifying?"
"Yes, quite literally."

And yay! I missed Himari's "Seizon Senryaku!". But why is CHILD!Kanba's voice so deep...
 
Oct 28, 2011 7:56 AM

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WOW!
 
Oct 28, 2011 8:22 AM

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Shadocchi said:
nextday said:
The first half of this episode definitely felt like a Nanami episode from Utena. Most comedic episode yet.

I lost it at the silent seizon senryaku. And again at the "OH NO MR PRESIDENT!" random english speaking guy.

The dialogue was great too. I quite enjoyed this episode and it's silliness.


All of this. It felt like Nanami's egg episode.

That's what I was thinking too, but at least there's still plot stuff going on in the episode.
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Oct 28, 2011 9:07 AM
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"MR. PRESIDENT OH NOOOO"
Loved the english talking dude :'D

And even though i don't care about the survival strategy-thing, i actually have missed it. The song is very catchy.

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Oct 28, 2011 9:11 AM

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I laughed so hard when Natsume ojii-san finally died fo real. I'm a bad person.

And that english. MR. PRESIDENT, WATCH OUT!

Natsume's father looks kinda like Kanba...


Why suddenly Shoma makes me want to smack him in a head. You were my fav character, goddamnit.
 
Oct 28, 2011 9:30 AM

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Just lol'ed away at this episode.

Best one was, of course, seizon senryaku.
One would think the maid was safe with being too far to hear anything, but Himari owned her. :D

But the others were great as well.

"I'm your stalker, after all." Switching targets? I come to thing stalking is just a hobby of her's. xD

"Someone hid a king cobra in my fruit basket!" - wtf?

and many, many more.

Even though I loved the seizon senryaku sign, it's a shame we didn't get to hear her shout.
 
Oct 28, 2011 9:46 AM

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So much lulz in this episode.



I laughed so hard in this scene. XD

And the Survival Strategy was a random stripping picture taking. lol

So much for that, Sanetoshi is shaping up to be an antagonist.

Great episode btw.
 
Oct 28, 2011 9:50 AM

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No way. When I saw that totally unique way of starting a Survival Strategy, I loled so much. :D

Masako's dad and Kanba are fairly alike... while Mario reminds me of Himari. Seems twisted.
However, Kanba takes after mr Takakura as well, so it can be a mistake. Perhaps it's the idea of Masako loving a boy who really reminds her of her missed father.

And yeah... they really could do smth about his voice, that deep masculinity was just... too much. -_-

What the hell is up with Shouma? "I can't forgive you"? Wasn't it HIM who felt so guilty about Ringo's broken fate that he just couldn't face her anymore? -_- Still, I'm sure that these two are bound by destiny. ^.^

As for the rest, I feel lost and I absolutely don't know what I prefer - Kanba x Himari or Kanba x Masako or Himari x Sanetoshi. All of 'em are just so awesome.

P.S. Am I the only one who finds Esmeralda to be the cutest penguin? ^-^
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Snowley said:

Natsume's father looks kinda like Kanba...

this! exactly my thoughts. Perhaps even Takakura's father and Natsume's father are twins? This woulkd actually make Kanba and Masako relatives... one explanation why No.1 appears with Esmeralda in the new OP.

Masako's maid was apparently the one who picked up the diary at the hospital. Finally my confusion about who Masako was talking on the phone is clear: she has always talked to either Sanetoshi (equal but polite tone) or her maid (leader tone).

The way the diary turned into flame... made me think that the flame symbolizes this godlike power. It's obviously another reference to the flaming torch from the three-lamb-story. And we've got quite a lot of such references recently. Tokyo Tower fired up in evening Tokyo. Momoka turning into flame. Ringo turning into flame in the OPs.

Ringo stalking Shouma.. you know.. I keep remembering how she was stalking Tabuki but always ended up doing the things noted down in the diary with Shouma instead: she ate curry with Shouma; Shouma was the one who kissed her etc. Now that she stalks him and will to change the fate... It suddenly made me realize what if to fix the fate those guys need to finish the Project M and make a baby finally...

Oh now we've also got the explanation about the kind of promise Kamba made to Masako in the past - he accepted to share the curse of killing her granddad. It seems like eventually they both are cursed with Mario and Himari being controlled by hats... and their parents are to blame... But if my assumption about Masako's father being a member of the Pingforce is correct, I don't get why she doesn't know this yet. Apparently it was the reason why her farther couldn't reunite with the family. Apparently it's also the reason why Masako's granddad was of such opinion about his own son. He was also a bit crazy, but I'm not convinced yet that he actually wanted any harm to either Masako or Mario. They probably simply misunderstood him.. they lacked the parental love a lot and their granddad couldn't give them enough love and care as their parents could have, especially considering his power and business. Oh well.. maybe that's exactly the reason - despite Masako knows what kind of a crime her father has committed, she still loves him the most and accepts him only as her true father. I feel very sorry for her.

The dreams Masako had.. THAT"s also very confusing... were those really just the dreams??? At least the last one looked more like Himari's travel to the Underworld. I need to rewatch this dream of her more carefully and analyze it more thoroughly... to grasp all the ideas it contained... but now I'm very confused if she actually died or not. Perhaps it was a clinical death... or was it still just a dream.. and Mario's being controlled by the grandfather - was it also part of a dream then? Or is he really like this now, when is not possessed by the hat?


All in all... this episode once again raises the question about the Family and the importance of Parental feelings towards their children as well as the Children feeling towards their parents.
somehow Tragedy of M sounds like a tragedy of parent-child relationship and is one of the main themes behind the show:
- Takakura siblings getting cursed for the sins of their parents
- Ringo becoming a mad stalker because of her parents' divorce
- Yuri getting "raped" by her own father
- and now Masako sorta joined the club..
Notice how in all these cases the accent is put to a Father. Well, it's not that obvious for Ringo and Takakuras but still.. obvious for Yuri and Masako - that's for sure

This is pretty much the reason why Shouma x Ringo can only save the world together as a couple, I believe.


On a side note: Sanetoshi's voice is so damn sexy... pure devil....

oh.. and Shouma is such a Tsundere xDDD

one more thing to add. The new ED was electrifying to the FABULOUS MAX!
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Incredibly fun episode; I couldn't stop laughing.

Dammit Shouma, I know you're sensitive and all, but condemning yourself makes nobody happy, especially when the person isn't holding a grudge against you.

I wonder if Kanba's getting caught up in something similar to what his parent were supposedly involved in.
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Incredibly fun episode; I couldn't stop laughing.


THIS.

wow, im speechless. did anyone noticed that Masako´s dad hair looks exactly like Kanba´s hair? Too much coincidence. Besides, how would Kanba meet Masako as kids?


I love emo Shouma. The END. Ringo´s confession: "Im your stalker", was like saying "i love you", which left me so happy~~~

and oh my, i wonder what is Kanba´s "dark business". and i also wonder...if Momoka is the current Princess of crystal, (aka penguin hat), then who is the one possessing Mario? (besides that weird part of his grandpa possessing him).

and we had a fanservice with the maid. LOOOL. Also, Sanetoshi is such a pedo, saying to Himari she is a grown up too. *shivers*

but my fav part must be the one when Masako is dying and still answers the phone call, LOOOOOOL. Also, she didnt want to put Mario in danger, but she accidentally killed him by pushing him into the lake, LOOOOOL. Truly, it was a parody moment.

oh god, so many questions. i LOVE THIS SHOW*-* FAV;D
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There is also the fact of how cute Mario/Natsume were when they were kids as follows,

I have to say that was MOE fantastic.

Anyone thinks that Natsume's end art in the spoiler
is the best of her yet? She looks best there.
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Snowley said:

Natsume's father looks kinda like Kanba...

this! exactly my thoughts. Perhaps even Takakura's father and Natsume's father are twins? This would actually make Kanba and Masako relatives... one explanation why No.1 appears with Esmeralda in the new OP.
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Another interesting is that the parents may be framed here. The proof is quite simple from episode 12. Look at the person here and the person he is looking at here. Now it’s obvious they look the same right? So the one who was not framed was most likely the other one looking like Himari’s father but the other one may be the doctor itself.

I am just going to blurt out the “Twins Theory” I think that Himari’s father and Ringo’s father were twins. Both worked for the same group of penguin and perhaps not in the same division but same company. One day they had to do a job that is nasty in thee end one had to take the blame while the other was most likely so not ready for his own daughter to have died of the result of his job.

Was I right? ROFL!
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This is pretty much the reason why Shouma x Ringo can only save the world together as a couple, I believe.
Yes and no. Yes they can should their love be powerful as an emotion. There is also no, because by themselves they cannot do anything. They need to combine forces. Now we still do not know of Ringo's powers other than being able to wield the diary. The diary many forgot the notion that it could be usable by only the blood relation one has with it. That would mean only Ringo can use it really. I am not sure even Yuri can use it. Besides that Ringo could not use the diary because perhaps it was only set to tell her of Momoka's. However a seal does exist and perhaps that notion may apply to the diary.

Such that at an ordained time it shall open its powers. Perhaps Momoka may be just swallowed up in it. You don't think she disappeared just like that in the hospital after being quite alive last we saw of her but still to make a human finish with an object and have it replaced is insane. You all don't realize that the diary may be a sort of Steins Gate able to totally transfer from Beta to Alpha worlds with a price to pay. Still makes no differences since Steins Gate also offered the prices payment for meddling with time.

IMO Yuri's destiny change enforced the anger of the Goddess. It was not the able incident but could be the diary containing forbidden space/time manipulation that was forbidden.

Some ideas pooping around. Let's see what anyone else makes of this. I am sure I am right with the twins theory.
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Oct 28, 2011 11:44 AM

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How old are Natsume and Mario supposed to be? I'm assuming that current day Mario is supposed to be 8, if the flashbacks are anything to go by. (It looked like Natsume was about 10 in her flashback, and Mario was in the 2-4 age range...it's hard to tell in anime.) So if Natsume is roughly the same age as Kanba and Shouma, Mario would be about 8-10. Is there a site that has their official ages?
 
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Loving this show more and more as time goes on!
Can't wait for the next ep. * O *
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I'm also confused why Masako doesn't recognize Himari as Kanba's sister and had her maid spy on her.


But she does recognize Himari is Kanba's sister. In the beginning, when she tells the maid to spy on them, she tells Kanba "continue spying on Kanba and his sister."

What is Grandpa reading about?
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MR.PRESIDENT NOOO!
 
Oct 28, 2011 12:38 PM

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Just...One thing...

WTF.
XDD this show.
 
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Loved the episode , laughed so hard at the random english. And the dreams about killing the grandpa. Still I really look forward to know what the hell is going on here. Who is the penguin company and why do they wish to take back the world XD Really love this show, can't wait for the next episode.
 
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I just hope Kanba doesnt die... ;\
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What is Grandpa reading about?
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/Sakano_San/elephant.png"; alt="elephant.png" />




XDD WTF? really? elephant? XD
 
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That was weirrrrddd~ XD
Sad that there wasn't that much Shouma and Ringo~ Oh well!

About the maid...I was sad that was just a "dream" :&lt; Dang....

And the English totally caught me off guard!
"MR PRESIDENT!! LOOK OOUUUUT!!"

And Kanba seemed to joined the dark side... NOOO!!!

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loved this episode the english was lmao

wonder if Shouma will stop Kanba need the next episode!!!!
 
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"Hey Mister President, watch out!"
 
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The Blue Danube waltz that was playing while Natsume was dreaming about killing her grandfather was great.
Overall, definitely the funnies episode so far. Absolutely crazy and hilarious.

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What is Grandpa reading about?

From what I can see the article's about plans to make paper from elephant dung (yes, it exists http://jp.japancorp.net/article.asp?Art_ID=19462, http://www.edgyjapan.jp/2010/12/20101224-1.html)
 
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