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Oct 23, 2011 1:02 PM
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I still have no idea what the hell is going on with Yuji. It's been a few years since I saw the second season so it just may be that I don't remember what happened but why is he a bad guy all of a sudden? Did I miss something?
 
Oct 23, 2011 2:57 PM

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From what i understood of it, due to the first episode of this season and recently watching season 2, after regaining the Reiji Maigo he was on his way to the location where Shana was and that little intersection where he had to choose between Shana and Yoshida and on the way there he had a conversation within his head, I've read that some people thought it was the Reiji Maigo but now I'm almost certain that it was the Crimson Lord in question, and in this little conversation he realized that didn't like the war between Flame Hazes and Denizens so he allowed the Crimson Lord to enter his body to create a way to stop it, Now this may be a bit off but I'm fairly sure that it is not much different than what Alastor is to Shana because the Yuji in this episode seemed like the Yuji of old so I'm confident that it is not possession but instead sharing a body, so when they fight they switch or something among those lines. My reasoning for why he allowed it to come into his body and it wasn't possession is all the rhetorical questions in the first episode of this season, like "is there nothing i can do" etc, and then it responded "what do you want to do" which he probably wanted change thus the merging and the events which are currently happening.


We have a winner, I am really surprised at how many people havent figured this out like you have despite watching the same number of episodes as everyone else. Well done, you actually paid attention to these episodes.
 
Oct 23, 2011 4:15 PM
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On one side I liked that it seems that the show won't be rushed, on the other side I really wanted to see them fight already.

I'm slightly happy that I spoiled myself what happened make Yuji a bad guy, cause if I didn't I would have probably been just as confused as some people here.

4/5
 
Oct 23, 2011 4:47 PM
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Thanks so much. This is about what I thought. I wasn't sure who exactly he was talking to when they were talking about "What do you want to do?" So that Crimson Lord, the Silver, that was already in the Reiji Maigo has materialized himself with Yuji's body instead of that hulking armor, and Yuji is planning on using this to his advantage. That's why I figured Shana might feel betrayed by Yuji into believing that Yuji has actually switched sides, especially without telling her first.

Thanks a lot for clearing things up.
 
Oct 23, 2011 5:46 PM

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Hmm so this was a recap episode with mostly flashbacks. Its a good thing I guess, plus it gave us some insight into Yuji's mind and it was sorta touching. Slowed things down to make the meeting between Shana and Yuji even more epic next ep. But Ffffffffuuuu damnit I can't wait that long, need next week to come fasterrrr. The preview looks awesome and I still wanna see what Shana will say/ do.

Nice to have that confirmation that Yuji does fall in love with Shana, screw Yoshida.
 
Oct 23, 2011 6:40 PM

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You know the series will continue to suck if a summary episode is better than regular episode
Even when I was in crowd, I was always alone
 
Oct 23, 2011 8:20 PM

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Hopefully the goddamn recaps are over... maybe this season will actually go somewhere soon? (like next episode?)
 
Oct 23, 2011 8:46 PM

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All I can say is... HOLY HELL. Yuuji has taken a path that can be described as road to hell is paved with the best intentions, and he's accepted it from what it looks like.
 
Oct 23, 2011 8:51 PM

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Eshiik said:
InfiniteDestiny said:
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Thanks so much. This is about what I thought. I wasn't sure who exactly he was talking to when they were talking about "What do you want to do?" So that Crimson Lord, the Silver, that was already in the Reiji Maigo has materialized himself with Yuji's body instead of that hulking armor, and Yuji is planning on using this to his advantage. That's why I figured Shana might feel betrayed by Yuji into believing that Yuji has actually switched sides, especially without telling her first.

Thanks a lot for clearing things up.


No problem man, all though about the Sliver part, i gotta disagree on the fact the Crimson Lord and the Sliver are the same thing, if what i think is right than the Crimson Lord like i mentioned is similar to Alastor and the relation between him and Yuji is similar to Alastor and Shana so in other words a contract as seen in Season 1 when they did Shana's past. With that said the Sliver at the end of season 2 looked like a lifeless suit of armor which couldn't move without the Reiji Maigo, so if these Crimson Lords need vessels like Yuji or Shana to operate than the only relation i could see between the Sliver and this Crimson Lord that is now with Yuji is that perhaps that huge armor (the Sliver) was suppose to be the intended vessel before Shana and Yuji defeated it, i don't know if any of this is right but now that I'm writing it, it kind of makes sense because why else would the Bal Masque spend all of season 2 trying to resurrect it if they so easily bow to this Crimson Lord, which in my opinion was the one they were doing it for from the get go.
Also i suppose the main reason why i don't think they are the same is for lack of better words intellect, since the armor appeared to be simply a lifeless killing machine while the Crimson Lord while in Yuji's body has shown personality
A little side note, if I'm correct from what I've gathered all the Flame Hazes that are currently in the show gave consent before they became Flame Hazes like shown in Shana's past or with Margery in her quest for revenge, etc so in other words if consent is a requirement for the "contract" than perhaps that's why they wanted to use a lifeless vessel which wouldn't require consent, because outside of Yuji's unique scenario i don't see too many people agreeing to become that Crimson Lord's vessel, that and I'm sure it can't just be anyone to begin with so finding a proper vessel might have been impossible, which might be the reason he wasn't the leader of the Bal Masque until now, just my thoughts anyways.
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Oct 23, 2011 9:54 PM
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InfiniteDestiny said:
Eshiik said:
InfiniteDestiny said:
...snip...


Thanks so much. This is about what I thought. I wasn't sure who exactly he was talking to when they were talking about "What do you want to do?" So that Crimson Lord, the Silver, that was already in the Reiji Maigo has materialized himself with Yuji's body instead of that hulking armor, and Yuji is planning on using this to his advantage. That's why I figured Shana might feel betrayed by Yuji into believing that Yuji has actually switched sides, especially without telling her first.

Thanks a lot for clearing things up.

Sounds likely and yes Flame Haze all give consent and Kings/Lords of Guze can directly posess and control the Flame Haze if the need arised (like it happens when Alastor unleashes his power against Fraigne during the first novel). Flame Haze are, after all, vessels for the Lords of Guze which means they are no longer human or in control of their own fate anymore. They are just tools.

 
Oct 23, 2011 10:27 PM

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..... What is this?

I waited a whole F*cking week for this piece of shit episode?!?!!?
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Oct 24, 2011 4:31 AM

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Translation of the novel from the episode which will air next week (:

http://sites.google.com/site/asdigger314/chapter-16-exerpt-a
 
Oct 24, 2011 5:29 AM

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all the flashback is so annoying , since i just finished second season and ova several days ago.

it kinda nice to see yuji inner thought but still the flashback is so annoying.

The ending is epic though , next episode should be interesting.

does anyone know what volume in the light novel at the start of season 3 ?

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oh never mind , just see links above
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Oct 24, 2011 6:27 AM
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InfiniteDestiny said:

From what i understood of it, due to the first episode of this season and recently watching season 2, after regaining the Reiji Maigo he was on his way to the location where Shana was and that little intersection where he had to choose between Shana and Yoshida and on the way there he had a conversation within his head, I've read that some people thought it was the Reiji Maigo but now I'm almost certain that it was the Crimson Lord in question, and in this little conversation he realized that didn't like the war between Flame Hazes and Denizens so he allowed the Crimson Lord to enter his body to create a way to stop it, Now this may be a bit off but I'm fairly sure that it is not much different than what Alastor is to Shana because the Yuji in this episode seemed like the Yuji of old so I'm confident that it is not possession but instead sharing a body, so when they fight they switch or something among those lines. My reasoning for why he allowed it to come into his body and it wasn't possession is all the rhetorical questions in the first episode of this season, like "is there nothing i can do" etc, and then it responded "what do you want to do" which he probably wanted change thus the merging and the events which are currently happening.


Okay, so he didn't like the war between them and wanted to do this to in a way to save Shana (the girl he loves). You know, Yuji kinda reminds me a little of Darth Vader.
 
Oct 24, 2011 11:12 AM

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I made a few gifs.



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Feel free to use, distribute or whatever them as much as you want.
 
Oct 24, 2011 11:46 AM
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To the people, who are discussing about Yuuji's new friend:
If you can remember (and of course if I'm correct :) ), Silver was sealed away/disabled, near the end of the second season. But don't worry, soon (in the next episode, maybe?) all of you will find out the truth :)
 
Oct 24, 2011 1:39 PM
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talk about a spoiler dude, oh well after reading it i'm VERY EXCITED,
ESPECIALLY AFTER READING THAT SAKAI IS FINALLY GOING TO TURN THAT DAMN BITCH YOSHIDA! HAHA *epic badass laugh*
 
Oct 24, 2011 3:05 PM
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talk about a spoiler dude, oh well after reading it i'm VERY EXCITED,
ESPECIALLY AFTER READING THAT SAKAI IS FINALLY GOING TO TURN THAT DAMN BITCH YOSHIDA! HAHA *epic badass laugh*

LOL HAHA
thatll b fun to watch :)

i kinda wish they had a heartwarming reunion first, then afterwards, shana finding out that hes evil
 
Oct 24, 2011 6:30 PM
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My special thanks to the producers for showing me everything I already knew... They're really giving me a hard time this season, but I'm doing my best to stay optimistic.

At least this episode showed that there's still a genuine Yuuji inside of Yuuji's body. He's a smart and faithful guy, so I guess he's got a decent plan. Let's see how much they'll manage to make me doubt him.
 
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No problem man, all though about the Sliver part, i gotta disagree on the fact the Crimson Lord and the Sliver are the same thing, if what i think is right than the Crimson Lord like i mentioned is similar to Alastor and the relation between him and Yuji is similar to Alastor and Shana so in other words a contract as seen in Season 1 when they did Shana's past. With that said the Sliver at the end of season 2 looked like a lifeless suit of armor which couldn't move without the Reiji Maigo, so if these Crimson Lords need vessels like Yuji or Shana to operate than the only relation i could see between the Sliver and this Crimson Lord that is now with Yuji is that perhaps that huge armor (the Sliver) was suppose to be the intended vessel before Shana and Yuji defeated it, i don't know if any of this is right but now that I'm writing it, it kind of makes sense because why else would the Bal Masque spend all of season 2 trying to resurrect it if they so easily bow to this Crimson Lord, which in my opinion was the one they were doing it for from the get go.
Also i suppose the main reason why i don't think they are the same is for lack of better words intellect, since the armor appeared to be simply a lifeless killing machine while the Crimson Lord while in Yuji's body has shown personality
A little side note, if I'm correct from what I've gathered all the Flame Hazes that are currently in the show gave consent before they became Flame Hazes like shown in Shana's past or with Margery in her quest for revenge, etc so in other words if consent is a requirement for the "contract" than perhaps that's why they wanted to use a lifeless vessel which wouldn't require consent, because outside of Yuji's unique scenario i don't see too many people agreeing to become that Crimson Lord's vessel, that and I'm sure it can't just be anyone to begin with so finding a proper vessel might have been impossible, which might be the reason he wasn't the leader of the Bal Masque until now, just my thoughts anyways.


Oh wow...you sir are good at this. If you really wanna know how much of what you have deduced is correct then click the following
 
Oct 24, 2011 8:42 PM
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sweet, can't wait for it though i'm a lil bit afraid of something D:
 
Oct 24, 2011 9:37 PM

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I liked the recap moments. They didn't feel very much like filler and flowed with the story pretty well. Also reminded me of some things I forgot.

Next episode looks intense.
 
Oct 24, 2011 11:01 PM

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Definitely better than the last 2, it looks like next episode we'll finally get some action.
 
Oct 25, 2011 1:55 PM

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lolol, watch them kill us with another ep that is completely unrelated to the ending of this ep, i swear i see it coming XD
im rly hoping it doesnt tho, i rly want to see what happens with this :D
 
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No problem man, all though about the Sliver part, i gotta disagree on the fact the Crimson Lord and the Sliver are the same thing, if what i think is right than the Crimson Lord like i mentioned is similar to Alastor and the relation between him and Yuji is similar to Alastor and Shana so in other words a contract as seen in Season 1 when they did Shana's past. With that said the Sliver at the end of season 2 looked like a lifeless suit of armor which couldn't move without the Reiji Maigo, so if these Crimson Lords need vessels like Yuji or Shana to operate than the only relation i could see between the Sliver and this Crimson Lord that is now with Yuji is that perhaps that huge armor (the Sliver) was suppose to be the intended vessel before Shana and Yuji defeated it, i don't know if any of this is right but now that I'm writing it, it kind of makes sense because why else would the Bal Masque spend all of season 2 trying to resurrect it if they so easily bow to this Crimson Lord, which in my opinion was the one they were doing it for from the get go.
Also i suppose the main reason why i don't think they are the same is for lack of better words intellect, since the armor appeared to be simply a lifeless killing machine while the Crimson Lord while in Yuji's body has shown personality
A little side note, if I'm correct from what I've gathered all the Flame Hazes that are currently in the show gave consent before they became Flame Hazes like shown in Shana's past or with Margery in her quest for revenge, etc so in other words if consent is a requirement for the "contract" than perhaps that's why they wanted to use a lifeless vessel which wouldn't require consent, because outside of Yuji's unique scenario i don't see too many people agreeing to become that Crimson Lord's vessel, that and I'm sure it can't just be anyone to begin with so finding a proper vessel might have been impossible, which might be the reason he wasn't the leader of the Bal Masque until now, just my thoughts anyways.


Oh wow...you sir are good at this. If you really wanna know how much of what you have deduced is correct then click the following


Really? well i guess watching the second season recently helped, so the rest was me just trying to see if things connected, never thought i was that right tho lol. Something i was never able to make sense of tho due to lack of a comparison is the item signifying the contract, for Shana it is a necklace, for Margery it is a book, for Wilhelmina it is that maid headband, and out of the three I'm almost positive that Alastor is the strongest so with that said since they are Flame Haze Contracts does that mean that Denizen Contracts do not require said items? because outside of his hair nothing really changes about Yuji when the Crimson Lord uses his body, also the voice comes from within so my guess is that since they "merged" a item isn't required, because i always wondered if that item signified weakness, the item's were never really in danger so while i don't think their powers come completely from the items (since Shana does take her necklace off now and then) i do wonder what would happen if they were to lose them or worse break them, because if they were useless than what would be the point in caring them in the first place. In Season 1 they said it was for communication but i always figured it was more than that, As a little side note i'm assuming that if I'm indeed that right concerning the Sliver, then the sliver flame Yuji was able to produce is because sometime after its creation (cause no matter how you look at it, it looks artificial, which makes me wonder if that crazy scientist Denizen who has the robot with him all the time created it since he was the one overlooking the Statue of Pride at the end of Season 2) it was somehow sealed within the Reiji Maigo which allowed the vessel of the Reiji Maigo Yuji to tap into his power, but from the preview of the next episode it is clearly shown that his flames are black, so I'm assuming now that Crimson Lord is within him that those Sliver flames and powers are gone? So i guess what i really wonder is if The Sliver was destroyed all together when they defeated it in the end of season 2 or if it was simply resealed within the Reiji Maigo, The other thing i don't get is the scenario which the Sliver killed the people Margery wanted to kill but I'm sure that will be explained in time since in the preview Margery still looked pissed lol.
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Really? well i guess watching the second season recently helped, so the rest was me just trying to see if things connected, never thought i was that right tho lol. Something i was never able to make sense of tho due to lack of a comparison is the item signifying the contract, for Shana it is a necklace, for Margery it is a book, for Wilhelmina it is that maid headband, and out of the three I'm almost positive that Alastor is the strongest so with that said since they are Flame Haze Contracts does that mean that Denizen Contracts do not require said items? because outside of his hair nothing really changes about Yuji when the Crimson Lord uses his body, also the voice comes from within so my guess is that since they "merged" a item isn't required, because i always wondered if that item signified weakness, the item's were never really in danger so while i don't think their powers come completely from the items (since Shana does take her necklace off now and then) i do wonder what would happen if they were to lose them or worse break them, because if they were useless than what would be the point in caring them in the first place. In Season 1 they said it was for communication but i always figured it was more than that,


InfiniteDestiny said:
As a little side note i'm assuming that if I'm indeed that right concerning the Sliver, then the sliver flame Yuji was able to produce is because sometime after its creation (cause no matter how you look at it, it looks artificial, which makes me wonder if that crazy scientist Denizen who has the robot with him all the time created it since he was the one overlooking the Statue of Pride at the end of Season 2) it was somehow sealed within the Reiji Maigo which allowed the vessel of the Reiji Maigo Yuji to tap into his power, but from the preview of the next episode it is clearly shown that his flames are black, so I'm assuming now that Crimson Lord is within him that those Sliver flames and powers are gone? So i guess what i really wonder is if The Sliver was destroyed all together when they defeated it in the end of season 2 or if it was simply resealed within the Reiji Maigo, The other thing i don't get is the scenario which the Sliver killed the people Margery wanted to kill but I'm sure that will be explained in time since in the preview Margery still looked pissed lol.
 
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A bit disappointed that they had a lot of review, but.... next week.... will be full of pure 100% win.
 
Oct 26, 2011 7:32 PM

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I can't wait for next one!

Also so funny how just now they switched to cellphones from those bookmarks. ;D
 
Oct 27, 2011 12:07 AM
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I NEED confirmation that this will be coming out this friday or saturday... I need to plan my scheduel accordingly!!!!!!
 
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I NEED confirmation that this will be coming out this friday or saturday... I need to plan my scheduel accordingly!!!!!!


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Oct 27, 2011 12:45 PM

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I hate recap episodes. But the cliffhanger was good
 
Oct 27, 2011 7:31 PM

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recap kinda episode but loved where it ended

Can't wait to see the next episode its gonna be epic!
 
Oct 28, 2011 7:16 AM

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I just decided i'll only be watching this for the fights, because i love the graphics.
The story is really.. confusing and boring right now, i hope it changes until the end.
 
Oct 28, 2011 2:29 PM

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k, Yoshida can give up, just tell her.

Finally action next week.
 
Oct 29, 2011 8:08 AM

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The flashback was welcomed, although the drawing style back then made me cringe a little. I read the forums and thought it was quite a lot of flashbacks, but watching the episode itself, I thought they were quite few and between, and properly segmented in. I almost wished the flashback to be longer, since it was sooo long since those episodes first aired so the flashbacks felt refreshingly new lol.
 
Oct 29, 2011 1:00 PM

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this is just yuji flash back memory or recap
still don't get it, why yuji must betray shana in the first place
 
Oct 30, 2011 8:59 AM
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That review of episode one was a bit annoying, but the last ~5 minutes of that episode were SO amazing. And that ending is like the best endings of all time.
 
Oct 30, 2011 4:21 PM

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yah it was boring but im not gonna lie, that was the first time i ever needed a recap, i couldnt remember shit about the first 2 seasons

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Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

 
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And so, we have a recap-like episode this time, from Yuji's point of view. This is good for those who decided not to rewatch the first and second seasons, but it means we have slightly less plot progression this time. Still, the last parts of the episode was a nice way to lead up to the sunset bridge scene we saw earlier in the S OVA.
 
Nov 3, 2011 9:09 AM

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I noticed a piano version of the the ending song as BGM, nice!

Recap was useless; I just rewatched the 1st and second season and the OVA.
And so the episode ended at that view at the end from the OVA.
 
Nov 28, 2011 12:37 PM

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WTF is this? I didn't expect them to reminisce the ENTIRE episode. I suppose I'll have to wait a little longer for Yuji's explanation and for that awkward ex-boyfriend/girlfriend moment when Shana can't decide whether to hug him or skewer him.

 
Dec 3, 2011 11:15 PM

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wow boring episode. nothing really happened. some recap and people walked around.
 
Dec 10, 2011 10:49 AM

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I only liked this episode was because it reminded me of all the stuff that I forgot while it's been so many years. So, I got a good refill of what happened and hopefully, it'll help me to understand what happens later on in the story. Looking forward to the next!
 
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Goosebumps.
 
Apr 5, 2012 3:51 AM

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Finally the long-awaited confession has arrived. Though I'm not that happy because I'm still confused as f*ck.
 
Jun 16, 2012 10:53 AM

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Though not much happened in this episode. mostly just a build up for the next episode. I loved the orchestrated piano themes's played thoughout and the dialogue lines of yuji. Finally yuji confesses his love for shana. I wonder how thier relationship will take shape now.

Yuji has returned but as a tomgara just like i expected and also it is now explained how shana found yuji on the bridge in the last episode of the ova.

Also i been wondering this for along time, but i wonder if Ogita is ever going to become involved in the world of tomagara and torches. She is a central character with alot of screen time, so i think its only natural to include her as well.
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This was such a slow episode, nothing happened. But that cliffhanger has me in suspense.
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Dec 16, 2012 12:33 AM

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Felt like mostly a recap of previous seasons but it was still very interesting.
 
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Finally that Sakai Yuji realized his feelings for Shana.


 
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