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Oct 15, 2011 12:29 PM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Still feeling stupid watching the anime (not get it). Ok, I admit that I wasn't paying attention while watching this anime (for all 3 eps.). Currently rewatching now.

Still hearing Yune's voice for that girl with her bang covering her eyes. Oh, she's blind, so she has her bang covering her eyes.

Minorin's character... singing Yuki Nagato.

Edit: I just understood one thing, Horizon, Minorin's character, is a robot (no wonder she's emotionless like Yuki Nagato)? So Toori is in love with a robot because she looks like the girl that passed away long ago?

lol @ the room sharing part because I want to agree on what the wheelchair girl said.

And so what he said in the beginning of the anime about not running away is about going through that road?! ok...
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Oct 15, 2011 3:10 PM

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For me this episode translated into 3 important parts.
Part 1

To me the most important was the following,
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How Suzu got some warmly welcomed by Toori and Horizon when she was young. That was really important and I actually liked seeing Suzu here. Suzu was very refreshing with her shy face and how Horizon and Toori touched her hand during their welcoming of her. That alone was worth that Suzu blush and nice back-story. While during all that I liked Asama’s smile here. Lovely group pose this was taken from afar and Claude from Ikoku Meiro no Croisee would be proud should he have seen the sign of the store where Horizon is working.

Part 2

The following made me cry,
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Really emotionally done well when considering how beautifully shown Horizon is here and what caused her tragedy. Now I understand the “The Remorse” meaning. Despite that Horizon must had a reason to run like that in the crowd and ultimately end up being dead. Really it was a hard part indeed. Kudos to this series to make me emotional! First part in this episode! You can clearly see that Toori had major problems crossing that path since he clinged way too much to that pole here despite during that time having most a most amazing face here.

Despite all that I applaud my man Toori for going wild into the path running like wild. Not to mention his expression while being in from of Masazumi here was not all the best at all. Nor was his behavior towards Masazumi here. While you can tell he was totally out of it being on that path especially with a further pitiful expression but it was hilarious to me and of course the running out again. In thee end my man Toori overcame and crossed the path while it was warming to see his sister tend to him. This might look stupid and all but see how you like seeing your girl being squashed when you are a kid. Now I understand Toori much better thanks to this episode. His regrets and remorse.

Part 3

The final section is to commend on the ecchi. The ecchi was mainly focused on Asama with a nice start of seeing her wake up and of course that chest exposure. Now the best comes in the following,
http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb480/Yumekichi11/Picture%2010/d8dfa24e.jpg
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Full frontal view from afar and close up that may get uncensored. If it does, those breasts sure will epically big to see. Already them being more revealed shows how much of a size they are. I liked seeing Asama in another of her dresses and with more of her breast exposures along with more of it here as well as there. However it was cool to see her shoot out her bow at a real lost soul from what it looked like. Asama was totally win with her funny faces here and there before she shoots her arrow.

There was some Masa breast rubbing around. Now that was not so bad.

About thee end of the episode, the end was top notch that introduced more people. For one this guy here whom is very cool in looks and his sister is hot. Guess it has to do with her breasts mostly but face wise she ain’t so bad either. For 2 there is this crazy looking guy. I have a bad feeling about him but his assistant looks cool in appearance itself. Looks like one of the maids that replaced the Honda business from last episode attacks here someone and most likely kills him. The patrol dude. There is some portal here that opens or something is happening there while the ghost hunt failed badly here. Seems that Margot here did not really control well her powers for them to blow up a lot of things around like that.

About preview, Toori is goofing out again. I wonder what the heck affected Suzu to be scared like this here and who the heck is taking P-01’s hand here? Can’t wait for
maid battle!
With some Futayo action.

BTW Image Stitches are done here:
http://myanimelist.net/blog.php?eid=178787
among them being group pics that are nice.
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Oct 15, 2011 5:39 PM

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Ariadust Horizon seem to be dead but not really dead, but what I don't get it's flashback.
Did she lose amnesia or something?

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Oct 15, 2011 7:24 PM
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it seem MAL doesn't even allow me to quote people for now....

The "History repeats itself" is very simple concept. Refer to your bible at home,Christian like to refer to the past of what written in it to learn its moral and concept.Some people even mimic those holy act .Well, instead of making a new history , it is better to repeat the past and improve it. And ya, if you are faithful , you will go up heaven .
The time line in this Anime is at around 1648.Whereby religion = power and authourity ...
After 1638, the bible(seihu), seems to be malfunction and it stop telling people what suppose to do !! oh no, word end T.T
 
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Oct 15, 2011 8:13 PM

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I don't see the point of this episode.
Like really... NOTHING really happened
There goes more setting/past/history

I demand history to repeat NOW!
 
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Oct 16, 2011 2:01 AM

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Yeah it was interesting and people not understanding....sry people if you don't use your brains you will miss on this. There is no spoon feeding here anyone. The result is ????? I don't get it! While others like me get it.
Thanks to my buddies Morninglory and that other person who mentioned in doing actual history research that it helped. So you see they are all trolling you with the notion of "History repeats itself." And so the historical reinstatement of what separated Japan before all due to some catalytic element. More later. Think we should lick Morninglory a little? He is reading the novel and damn well sharing amazing thoughts from it.

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Oct 16, 2011 9:30 AM
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well... i am waiting for the sub as well.

I don't really understand how did MotoNobu take matsudaira's name and change to Ariadust will appeal to Seiren(association that abide to Seihu)?...When the name was give back, 2 thing is create.First is the Ariadust academy, and second is the MotoNobu's secret daughter.

So, when the name is back, does that mean he fully inherit the name Matsudaira? ..
Now,Sensei's name is Matsudaira Motonobu. I can see that he is now using the name .When I press the link of his name in wiki, it show Tokugawa Ieyasu ...they change name T.T
竹千代(幼名)→ 松平元信 → 元康 → 家康 → 徳川家康
Takechiyo→matsudaira Motonobu→ Motoyasu → Ieyasu →Tokugawa Ieyasu
The word "moto" means previous/original....So the new Nobunaga is hiding somewhere.
MotoMatsudaira , the Shitennou(四天王) consist of Honda Tadakatsu,Sakakibara Yasumasa, ii naomasa, and Sakai tadatsugu.They all doesn't have the Matsudaira name anyway.
I am suck in history, So I may have made mistake here. pls help T.T
 
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MorningGlory said:
]well... i am waiting for the sub as well.
I don't really understand how did MotoNobu take matsudaira's name and change to Ariadust will appeal to Seiren(association that abide to Seihu)?...When the name was give back, 2 thing is create.First is the Ariadust academy, and second is the MotoNobu's secret daughter.
So, when the name is back, does that mean he fully inherit the name Matsudaira? ..
Now,Sensei's name is Matsudaira Motonobu. I can see that he is now using the name .When I press the link of his name in wiki, it show Tokugawa Ieyasu ...they change name T.T
竹千代(幼名)→ 松平元信 → 元康 → 家康 → 徳川家康
Takechiyo→matsudaira Motonobu→ Motoyasu → Ieyasu →Tokugawa Ieyasu
The word "moto" means previous/original....So the new Nobunaga is hiding somewhere.
MotoMatsudaira , the Shitennou(四天王) consist of Honda Tadakatsu,Sakakibara Yasumasa, ii naomasa, and Sakai tadatsugu.They all doesn't have the Matsudaira name anyway.
I am suck in history, So I may have made mistake here. pls help T.T

There's list of the family who inherited Matsudaira in here. I kind of looked into it, but still cannot find the answer to your question. I'm suck in history, too.
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Oct 16, 2011 1:11 PM

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I dont understand anything about this anime yet I've seen 3 episodes o.o
 
Oct 16, 2011 4:44 PM

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Polarity said:
I dont understand anything about this anime yet I've seen 3 episodes o.o
It usually takes 5 episodes for things to get started.
 
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No, by 2 episodes of a 12-13 episode series, you should have some understanding of the story... I think there story is progressing far too slow for a 13 episode series as well. This episode flooded us with history of toori and how suzu became happy to be around toori.


The understanding so far that I came up with is...
The future is in constant power struggle where citizens and assassins are used to oppose each other. The reason the students we see a lot are going to be involved is because of toori's connection to the Horizon family...
 
Oct 18, 2011 12:41 AM

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MorningGlory said:
well... i am waiting for the sub as well.
I don't really understand how did MotoNobu take matsudaira's name and change to Ariadust will appeal to Seiren(association that abide to Seihu)?...When the name was give back, 2 thing is create.First is the Ariadust academy, and second is the MotoNobu's secret daughter.
So, when the name is back, does that mean he fully inherit the name Matsudaira? ..
Now,Sensei's name is Matsudaira Motonobu. I can see that he is now using the name .When I press the link of his name in wiki, it show Tokugawa Ieyasu ...they change name T.T
竹千代(幼名)→ 松平元信 → 元康 → 家康 → 徳川家康
Takechiyo→matsudaira Motonobu→ Motoyasu → Ieyasu →Tokugawa Ieyasu
The word "moto" means previous/original....So the new Nobunaga is hiding somewhere.
MotoMatsudaira , the Shitennou(四天王) consist of Honda Tadakatsu,Sakakibara Yasumasa, ii naomasa, and Sakai tadatsugu.They all doesn't have the Matsudaira name anyway.
I am suck in history, So I may have made mistake here. pls help T.T

I have the same question, but a answer is something I don't have neither. This is story is way to much random. Hadena subs don't help too much either.

I've understand most of this show, last ep discussion there was a post talking about the actual plot, it helped me a lot. This episode was interesting too.

Also, why the hell Toori was running like that? Because he was close to Horizon's grave or something? I didn't get it, even though it was really funny.
 
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This show is a waste of budget. Even I gave it 3 episodes worth of my time for anything to start happening, but no, no idea at all what is this about. Even with the overthe top boring opening episode I thought the "shining strings FAB" guy will descend into the world below, the wilderness, embarks on a quest to find that girl and confess. That just didnt happen, dashed overbloated hopes to seek any greatness in a waste of time this is.

Some animators should read a few books and start writing scripts instead, thats what the industry lacks, not boobmonsters or girls with differently coulored eyes, mildly mannered old sisters or ones with wings for no particular reason.
 
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Some animators should read a few books and start writing scripts instead


Did you just ask the animators to become screenwriters? O.o
 
Oct 18, 2011 2:25 AM

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So close to dropping this anime. I've already given it 3 episodes to surprise me, but it hasn't happened. What a disappointment.
 
Oct 18, 2011 3:05 AM
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daniellkun said:

Also, why the hell Toori was running like that? Because he was close to Horizon's grave or something?
They mention that Toori killed Horizon. Toori felt like going back to the place he killed Horizon but He is just a chicken. So...he end up going in and out .
This episode we learn there is a special place is made just for Toori in the remembrance of his greatest regret in life.Everyone know Toori's regret but from what we seen in this few episode, Toori look like just a idiot, happy going, and pervert guy.How can people still accept him and love him so much.
Koukai Toori( path of regret), The word Toori can be translate to "path" or his name Toori. Its a double meaning.
This episode also reveal that Horizon is the daughter of MotoNobu(sensei).Toori suspect that Robot is Horizon, but why she was sent to Musashi last year.
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This show is a waste of budget. Even I gave it 3 episodes worth of my time for anything to start happening, but no, no idea at all what is this about.

So far, I think the story is quite interesting for this episode, unless those big boob is blocking the story lol.
oh, and one more thing. The character's boob in light novel is much more bigger than that ..

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When this anime startet, I at least had hope, the action could be somewhat good.
But now it's these ridiculous and unspeakably boring characters all the time.

Friggin bad stuff.
 
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MorningGlory said:
So far, I think the story is quite interesting for this episode, unless those big boob is blocking the story lol.
oh, and one more thing. The character's boob in light novel is much more bigger than that ..
I can concur with proofs:
http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb480/Yumekichi11/Picture%2010/dcac6cee.jpg
http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb480/Yumekichi11/Picture%2010/3ab9cd58.jpg
Unfortunately I wish I could put in a spoiler cause it would be awesome for people. Those breasts are so much better in those illustrations. Oh dear oh dear.

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Oct 18, 2011 4:29 AM

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Okay, after watching 3 ep and still not getting most of it, I'm dropping this one.

I'm not saying the story is bad, it's just that I think it may be much too complex for me, especially with the background and everything. I guess this anime is just not for me.
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People need to stop giving this show credit. If you can't follow the plot because the show decides to have 30+ characters and info dump for like 5 mins an episode, than that's the show's poor writing and pacing, not you being dumb. It's not like some shows where you might miss bits because the shows being subtle. If you really wanted to get the most out of this show than your going to have to watch it multiply times and pay attention to all the characters names. Though in my opinion, so far this show doesn't seem worth the effort.
 
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Asama is so awesome, but I also wanted some Neito.

Honda Futayo getting her butt squeezed was hilarious.
 
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Yumekichi11 said:

I can concur with proofs:
http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb480/Yumekichi11/Picture%2010/dcac6cee.jpg
http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb480/Yumekichi11/Picture%2010/3ab9cd58.jpg
Unfortunately I wish I could put in a spoiler cause it would be awesome for people. Those breasts are so much better in those illustrations. Oh dear oh dear.
lol Those are some fine boob.The illustrator simply love boob and the author just agree on it.
Anyway, I never judge the book by its cover when I read them.I will usually immediately drop it when it doesn't interest me from the very first volume.
The cover page of the LN sexy girl with big boob, and it makes people wonder it is some thick porn magazine .
http://i.imgur.com/Gv65e.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9oaVY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/g3PQj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/X4DDO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sjNtg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/OTDKo.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Hl275.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zTpbD.jpg
its like harem LOL

The comment in this Anime is a bit harsh.... Does Booby Anime doesn't allow to have story as big as the boob in this Anime?...
Well, most of the booby Anime are low rated, so I can't blame and I think this Anime is a bit different compare to other booby Anime, so I think its worth to spend some time understanding it imo T.T
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What I understand about this episode:

Horizon and Toori are childhood friends.
They also made friends with Suzu.
Kimi and Toori are real siblings(?).
That long haired boy(?) in front of the room looked like a girl, maybe he's like Masazumi but the operation was completed.
Toori is the master of the path to remorse, my guess as to why is because he was the cause(?) of the death of Horizon Ariadust.

Questions.

Does Toori have some kind of lineage?.
Will there be a war when he confesses?

I'm still at a loss for this anime.. Hope things will be cleared up real soon.
 
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People need to stop giving this show credit. If you can't follow the plot because the show decides to have 30+ characters and info dump for like 5 mins an episode, than that's the show's poor writing and pacing, not you being dumb. It's not like some shows where you might miss bits because the shows being subtle. If you really wanted to get the most out of this show than your going to have to watch it multiply times and pay attention to all the characters names. Though in my opinion, so far this show doesn't seem worth the effort.


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I keep expecting something to happen, and it keeps not happening. All we've really gotten so far is dialog heavy backstory. I really want Horizon to be something great, but wow they are wasting time in their single season...
 
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Whats the point of this?
 
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is this anime all about boobs and shit...
 
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toori's awesome but im confused O_O
 
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Not as bad as the second episode, but this was still pretty bad. What the heck is supposed to be happening here?
 
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bla bla bla bla boobies bla bla bla more boobs bla bla- what the heck. dropped.
 
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MorningGlory said:
daniellkun said:
Also, why the hell Toori was running like that? Because he was close to Horizon's grave or something?
They mention that Toori killed Horizon. Toori felt like going back to the place he killed Horizon but He is just a chicken. So...he end up going in and out .
This episode we learn there is a special place is made just for Toori in the remembrance of his greatest regret in life.Everyone know Toori's regret but from what we seen in this few episode, Toori look like just a idiot, happy going, and pervert guy.How can people still accept him and love him so much.
Koukai Toori( path of regret), The word Toori can be translate to "path" or his name Toori. Its a double meaning.
This episode also reveal that Horizon is the daughter of MotoNobu(sensei).Toori suspect that Robot is Horizon, but why she was sent to Musashi last year.

Thanks MorningGlory, you're a life saver, that's what I know so far:
"Without spoilers, here's we know about the actual plot up to episode 2:

- The MC and that old president guy both think that the robot girl who appeared a year ago resembles (physically and personality-wise) the MC's dead girlfriend.
- He has decided to confess to her, and for reasons we don't know yet thinks that afterwards he will have to pick a fight with the whole world.
- Meanwhile, the ruler of Mikawa, the city they have docked at, is acting erratically.
- Two of the nations that are oppressing both Mikawa and the MC's people have arrived to negotiate the production of Mikawa's hax superweapons.
- Mikawa's leader has promised "Fireworks" tonight. The same night that MC plans to confess."
Next episode may help we understand a bit more about this show.
 
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I don't think the boobs are a problem for some people,(how can it?). Many complaints are probably sprung from it being dialog heavy. The type who have either short attention spans and just want constant fight scenes or have never dedicated leisure time to read a book. It could also be people are watching hadena subs. Either way, the size of horizons light novels are monstrous,first few episodes are to build up the characters with 5 minutes of plot at best.
 
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Gah, not a good episode but not bad I guess either.
Overall, no progression on the story...YET?

2/5


 
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I cheated a bit by going on wikipedia to try to understand this show. It helped a little bit. I like how even if the anime is full of boobs they still manage to put interesting backstories to some of the characters. To me, that's the highlight of the episode (like Suzu's backstory). I'm still much confused and like someone before said: it's not our fault for being dumb, if the anime isn't able to explain itself a little bit after 3 episodes, there's a problem. There are way too many characters and plot all over the place. I'm hoping some of it will be clarified. I really enjoy the vice-president character....so I'm sticking around hoping she'll get more place in the anime.
 
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Honestly, wtf did i just watch lol...., i mean even after watching 3 episodes, i still dont understand whats the plot, who are the antagonists, whats the end goal of everything lol...., ill keep watching it and hope it gets better..., hopefully....
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More tips to enjoy this series:

• Throw away the Three-Episode Rule for now. The first arc of this series will probably end in the next episode or in the one after that.
• Take time to absorb the information into your head. If you can't do that, you might as well start doing that right now.
• DON'T THINK OF THIS AS A FANSERVICE ANIME. You'll just have a hard time thinking of the minor details if all you're thinking of is how many times characters will get groped at in an episode.
 
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Can't decide to drop or continue to watch. Nothing really interesting me.
 
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I'm just going to say 75% of the characters are probably fucking useless and unimportant to the story.
 
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Awesome episode. I can't wait for this shit to start getting serious.
 
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I will reluctantly give this another episode or two to see if a coherent plot emerges, but I have my doubts. The only character that I currently have any interest in following is the vice-president, and I'm still not absolutely sure what gender he/she is and why he/she was in the process of changing it (if that is indeed what happened).

There are entirely too many shows this season featuring a cast of thousands (mostly with grossly distended breasts) and virtually no plot.
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lol Those are some fine boob.The illustrator simply love boob and the author just agree on it.

The comment in this Anime is a bit harsh.... Does Booby Anime doesn't allow to have story as big as the boob in this Anime?...
Well, most of the booby Anime are low rated, so I can't blame and I think this Anime is a bit different compare to other booby Anime, so I think its worth to spend some time understanding it imo T.T
Ah I see well for your information I think the story is quite amazing so the ecchi is like something around. It does not affect me and I love Toori. He is my new brother. He went through so much shit. Guy needs a beer but most of the students are all under 18. ROFL

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hmmm ....this episode showed some paceing even if slow...so i am gonna give this more eps .... at least better than moe shit that repeats with different scientific theory every season with no ending to it from Shana to aria and now C3 which i dropped gladly and shana gona give it 3 episodes too as i've seen the 2 seasons before this one still better than that pea brain anime with the monster of the week with no good whatsoever ...another sacred seven or blood c for this season
 
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Also this should have been a 24 episode anime not a 12 - I take issue with animes like Iroha getting that many episodes with no detail and no plot - while series like this have both and have no screen time to use it.
 
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hopefully, fighting scene and action might be start in next episode.

To be honest, I think this is by far the most complicated Light Novel I have ever read.There are too many explanation ,just too many.......and I can see that the Anime is trying its very best adapting it .All I fully understand is the story in between Horizon and Toori...even Masazumi's dialogue is sometimes a bit too complicated for me to understand. Actually I was hoping there are other LN reader will help me out, but it seems they are hiding and they just don't come out .
 
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MorningGlory said:
hopefully, fighting scene and action might be start in next episode.
To be honest, I think this is by far the most complicated Light Novel I have ever read.There are too many explanation ,just too many.......and I can see that the Anime is trying its very best adapting it .All I fully understand is the story in between Horizon and Toori...even Masazumi's dialogue is sometimes a bit too complicated for me to understand. Actually I was hoping there are other LN reader will help me out, but it seems they are hiding and they just don't come out .

I'm thinking about give up in this show if I don't understand anything until ep 5. It's just too much. Also, if we have to read a novel to understand the anime, it's no doubt the anime itself already failed.
 
Oct 19, 2011 5:45 AM

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> Also this should have been a 24 episode anime not a 12

As I know would be one more season in Spring or in Summer
 
Oct 19, 2011 5:57 AM
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I not even sure will they able to finish first volume(1,300+ page) with only 13ep.
 
Oct 19, 2011 5:59 AM

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MorningGlory said:
I not even sure will they able to finish first volume(1,300+ page) with only 13ep.

Seriously, all this just for the first vol? And it has 9 vol? What is this? Lord of the Ring or something?
 
Oct 19, 2011 6:10 AM
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daniellkun said:
MorningGlory said:
I not even sure will they able to finish first volume(1,300+ page) with only 13ep.

Seriously, all this just for the first vol? And it has 9 vol? What is this? Lord of the Ring or something?
Actually there is only 4 volume. Each volume have part A and part B. At volume 3, there is part A,B, and C .
 
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Oh, I see. Thanks for the information.
But 1,300+ per volume, seems like a lot to read.
 
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