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Oct 15, 2011 11:15 AM

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Wuppie said:
I'm happy this episode answered some of the questions I had after watching episode one..
So Yuji has become some sort of a vessel.. How did they make him that though? Did he give them their consent? (something like that happened last episode, when Yuji was talking with Reji maigo (?) )
This is getting interesting!

Is ironic what you said, he was a vessel since the first episode of season 1, lol.
 
Oct 15, 2011 12:10 PM
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Awww shit.
 
Oct 15, 2011 12:21 PM

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This episode wasn't bad. First episode should have been like this, but no, they had to ruin the start. Setting are pretty interesting looking now.

Fighting scenes and abilities still looking like shit. What was that civil's reaction at the end about? Made me facepalm. I'm surprised how good the voice actor fits them personality now. It's a fail if they don't change it though. :>
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Oct 15, 2011 12:38 PM
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Wuppie said:
That's because he's possessed by the leader(or something) of the Bal Masque.
In other words, he's a vessel and Yuji himself is being suppressed by that leader.


And where did you see that?
BTW, It seems, you don't remember the 1 Episode at all.
Yuuji himself offered his body to that Leader. The Contract.
 
Oct 15, 2011 3:09 PM

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I also like Yuji 's dark voice AND that person to that voice is Show Hayami who also had the voice as Aizen from Bleach. I was very surprised
 
Oct 15, 2011 4:51 PM

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I think the main hero is now that one dude who looks like a older version of Yuji who now works for Outlaw.
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Oct 15, 2011 5:51 PM

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Why does that faggot have such a deep voice? It doesn't fit him at all.
I forgot how much of a copy of DBZ this show was. All the stupid staring and laughing and grinning. It's all there.


Not only his voice , his look doesnt inspire fear or power or nothing (he's supposed to be really powerfull now) , he always have such a derp face.
 
Oct 15, 2011 6:01 PM

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Oct 15, 2011 6:54 PM

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For some reason, I'm getting tired of people freaking out and realizing Yuuji is the antagonist now........
That aside, this episode really does get the things moving full throttle forward.
Pop Quiz: F/SN Gilgamesh vs Current Yuuji, who wins xD

Knowing Gil, he would probably be able to kick Yuuji's a**, only to get himself killed by way of his extreme arrogance.
 
Oct 15, 2011 7:54 PM

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Good episode, can't wait for next one ^^
 
Oct 15, 2011 8:09 PM
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The episode went by REALLY fast
 
Oct 15, 2011 9:59 PM

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Oct 16, 2011 2:59 AM

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um....is it just me or did this episode add nothing new to the previous episode?
 
Oct 16, 2011 4:11 AM

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daniellkun said:

Is ironic what you said, he was a vessel since the first episode of season 1, lol.

That’s true! I’d forgotten about that, so that means that now he’s a vessel for 2 things.. :o Right?
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And where did you see that?
BTW, It seems, you don't remember the 1 Episode at all.
Yuuji himself offered his body to that Leader. The Contract.

I do remember that part of the first episode but I just don’t understand why Yuji would offer himself to that leader? I thought something might have happened behind the scenes, something what made Yuji sacrifice himself. Just because he made the contract himself, doesn’t mean he wasn’t pushed by another event, it could have been that he was forced by that event, to make his descision: which makes his own opinion supressed.

That’s how I think of it though, the episode might/will prove me wrong.. It’s just a theory.
 
Oct 16, 2011 8:46 AM
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Wuppie said:
SiegfriedCalibur said:
And where did you see that?
BTW, It seems, you don't remember the 1 Episode at all.
Yuuji himself offered his body to that Leader. The Contract.

I do remember that part of the first episode but I just don’t understand why Yuji would offer himself to that leader? I thought something might have happened behind the scenes, something what made Yuji sacrifice himself. Just because he made the contract himself, doesn’t mean he wasn’t pushed by another event, it could have been that he was forced by that event, to make his descision: which makes his own opinion supressed.
That’s how I think of it though, the episode might/will prove me wrong.. It’s just a theory.
The confusion and suddenness of Yuuji's decision is due to the previous anime seasons leaving out a lot of events and foreshadowing. That voice has been having conversations with Yuuji in his dreams since events from the first anime season.
 
Oct 16, 2011 9:18 AM

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Oh shit the last couple minutes was intense, can't wait till next episode. I am stoked to see what Shana and them are going to do when they see Yuuji. Especially since they don't know what Yuuji has become.
 
Oct 16, 2011 10:05 AM
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I don't understand anything of what's happening but it sure is interesting.

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Oct 16, 2011 10:29 AM

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Knowing Gil, he would probably be able to kick Yuuji's a**, only to get himself killed by way of his extreme arrogance.


Really?
Cause the new "Dark" Yuuji can totally stomp Gil even without his arrogance.
You'll see what I mean in couples of episodes later xD


Anyway, did Satoshi Hino just got ignored for the entire episode......
Because it is quite hilarious NOT to hear his voice for the entire episode, in a series which is filled with Kugyu x Hino voice..... (another one is ZnT)
 
Oct 16, 2011 11:37 AM
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Wuppie said:
I do remember that part of the first episode but I just don’t understand why Yuji would offer himself to that leader? I thought something might have happened behind the scenes, something what made Yuji sacrifice himself. Just because he made the contract himself, doesn’t mean he wasn’t pushed by another event, it could have been that he was forced by that event, to make his descision: which makes his own opinion supressed.
That’s how I think of it though, the episode might/will prove me wrong.. It’s just a theory.


Aha. I see...sorry for the offence.
Well, I just don't want to spoil=) The only thing I can tell, that NO ONE is suppressing Yuuji. He does everything on his own free will. Just enjoy the show.
 
Oct 16, 2011 12:54 PM

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Looks like next episode is going to be fucking epic.

Is it me or is this seasons so far oddly hypnotic?

Also, I love how they aren't showing Kazumi. Thank god
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Oct 16, 2011 1:19 PM

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Looks like next episode is going to be fucking epic.
Is it me or is this seasons so far oddly hypnotic?
Also, I love how they aren't showing Kazumi. Thank god


Its oddly hypnotic because it seems they are finaly following the light novels properly which makes it a thousand times better. Though it has caused it to be damn confusing suddenly throwing some people in since they ignored stuff from the novels for the first 2 seasons in exchange for shitty anime orginal episodes and endings.
I think this last season is meant to stay completely faithful to the novels so we should be in for a good ride.

JC staff should learn to follow the fucking source material properly all the way through, that would make all of their adaptations alot better.
Their best adaptations are probably Toradora and To aru majutsu no index but they slightly changed the things in the Toradora anime and left out/switched a few things in To aru majutsu no index anime. The novels of both of them beat the the crap out of JC staff adaptations though.
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Oct 16, 2011 1:27 PM

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good episode, that epicly deep voice doesnt fit his looks at all xD
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Oct 16, 2011 1:53 PM

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Wait, he changed his hair again?
 
Oct 16, 2011 2:04 PM
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batossai said:um....is it just me or did this episode add nothing new to the previous episode?
 
Oct 16, 2011 3:47 PM

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Satou: ARGRRRGRRHRGRG
Extra: *sits back down like nothing happened*

really?

It feels like it's moving slow. Also, was the beetle thing a Rinne or a Crimson Denizen. I'm assuming a Rinne since the Denizens have all been humanoid
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Oct 16, 2011 4:17 PM

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some of you are silly...

Its quite obvious that he is sharing his body, not possessed. Also it's obvious why he is doing that, he is trying to free Shana from her fate of fighting endlessly. How he does it I dunno but its obvious that he has some sort of plan that requires him to join the bad side.

I'm liking this plot twist, its very different from the first two seasons and I like that. More of the same would be hell on earth.
 
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Its oddly hypnotic because it seems they are finaly following the light novels properly which makes it a thousand times better. Though it has caused it to be damn confusing suddenly throwing some people in since they ignored stuff from the novels for the first 2 seasons in exchange for shitty anime orginal episodes and endings.
I think this last season is meant to stay completely faithful to the novels so we should be in for a good ride.
JC staff should learn to follow the fucking source material properly all the way through, that would make all of their adaptations alot better.
Their best adaptations are probably Toradora and To aru majutsu no index but they slightly changed the things in the Toradora anime and left out/switched a few things in To aru majutsu no index anime. The novels of both of them beat the the crap out of JC staff adaptations though.


You mean in terms of manga or Light Novel?
Cause there are lots of JC's adaption that is quite good, granted it is based on manga.
Light Novel-wise, To Aru is a bit disappointing but nevertheless quite good.
Toradora!, on the other hand, is extremely perfect. Sure, they make a few filler and left a few information out but heck, JC's adaption of Toradora! ending was definitely better than the LN original ending~!

So I have feelings that they gonna totally make this season of SnS the most epic of all the seasons.
 
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It's great that they are following the light novel more closely, but it seems like JC is struggling to fit in every detail of the light novel.

There are so many new characters that I can only hope that some of them are properly developed. I think at least half of what just happened in this episode went over my head.

Even then, this was a great episode, can't wait for next one. Sad though that one cool looking flame haze babe in the beginning died so quickly. =/
 
Oct 17, 2011 12:10 AM

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For anyone asking "is it just me?" yes, yes it is.
 
Oct 17, 2011 12:54 AM
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Wait, he changed his hair again?


I was thinking the same thing...
 
Oct 17, 2011 1:06 AM

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Hopefully J.C. learned from Shakugan no Shana II that drawn out slice-of-life drama is not the way to go for this series.
I want to see shit get real with this season. I want to see Yuuji being the antagonist exploited to its deepest and darkest extent. Let there be conflict. Let there be chaos.
I am excited for the series but if this series wants to prove itself (just as the original did), it's going to have to be one heck of a ride for the next 24 episodes. Shakugan no Shana II left a bitter taste in my mouth even with Sabrac's epicness. Shakugan no Shana FINAL better wash it all away.
Will I fall in love someday? I wonder?


 
Oct 17, 2011 6:02 AM

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all these names of people and organizations, i don't get any of it -____-, i am completely lost, but it did make a little more sense then last episode.
 
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Wolfnagi said:
You mean in terms of manga or Light Novel?
Cause there are lots of JC's adaption that is quite good, granted it is based on manga.
Light Novel-wise, To Aru is a bit disappointing but nevertheless quite good.
Toradora!, on the other hand, is extremely perfect. Sure, they make a few filler and left a few information out but heck, JC's adaption of Toradora! ending was definitely better than the LN original ending~!
So I have feelings that they gonna totally make this season of SnS the most epic of all the seasons.


I mean both manga and light novel they have probably more manga adaptations that are better but they mess those others as well by going off the source material with their own anime original characters and stories just like recently with Yumekui Merry (Dream Eater Merry) that just turnt into a mess. Another recent one was Hidan no Aria that was another bad adaptation.

Yes i liked To aru majutsu no index adaptation as well it is best to maraton for the most enjoyment but they still could of done better on it.

I did love the adaptation they did for Toradora as well but i still like the novel better and on the last novel they adapted they did miss quite a few bits and pieces. The very end i would still probably say i prefered the novel since Taiga came back sooner i thought the gap was a bit long in the anime but i like the extra wrap up they did on other characters in the end of the anime. So with Toradora anime and novel i think both are good in their own ways, the anime also seems a bit heavier on comedy and the novel heavier on the romance side not to say the anime did not do the romance well they did, so you are right the novel and anime do complement each other nicely.

Its just they can be so iffy with their adaptations sometimes which is normaly when they go off the source material but when they stick to it most the time they can do it right.
With the last season of Shana they should stick to the novel properly but i cant help feeling it might be rushed because i think they finished season 2 at novel 14 or something and there are 22 novels novels and 3 side novels i think. They have around 8 novels left to cover and these are ones at a big turning point with many new characters and big things happening, they also left out infomation and other things in the previous 2 seasons so i am a bit worried they will be rushed.
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Oct 17, 2011 1:58 PM

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Now i remember why i liked this show so much. It was one of the first i watched and after i had been jaded i was conflicted if it was actually good or not. This is what happened with Index and i was disappointed with season 2.... However, i am incredibly happy that Shana is kicking ass this season.

As for next episode, i am happy that they are already going to confront each other only after three episodes. I expected them to be annoying and drag it out.
 
Oct 17, 2011 5:39 PM

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hope its doesn't get rushed its getting really good!
 
Oct 17, 2011 5:41 PM

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Sigh, I give up on SNS.
your only doing that now? you put up witht he shitty second season but give up now at this point where it actually may go above the score of 7/10? bad timing man

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Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

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Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

 
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Slicer22 said:
I mean both manga and light novel they have probably more manga adaptations that are better but they mess those others as well by going off the source material with their own anime original characters and stories just like recently with Yumekui Merry (Dream Eater Merry) that just turnt into a mess. Another recent one was Hidan no Aria that was another bad adaptation.
Yes i liked To aru majutsu no index adaptation as well it is best to maraton for the most enjoyment but they still could of done better on it.
I did love the adaptation they did for Toradora as well but i still like the novel better and on the last novel they adapted they did miss quite a few bits and pieces. The very end i would still probably say i prefered the novel since Taiga came back sooner i thought the gap was a bit long in the anime but i like the extra wrap up they did on other characters in the end of the anime. So with Toradora anime and novel i think both are good in their own ways, the anime also seems a bit heavier on comedy and the novel heavier on the romance side not to say the anime did not do the romance well they did, so you are right the novel and anime do complement each other nicely.
Its just they can be so iffy with their adaptations sometimes which is normaly when they go off the source material but when they stick to it most the time they can do it right.
With the last season of Shana they should stick to the novel properly but i cant help feeling it might be rushed because i think they finished season 2 at novel 14 or something and there are 22 novels novels and 3 side novels i think. They have around 8 novels left to cover and these are ones at a big turning point with many new characters and big things happening, they also left out infomation and other things in the previous 2 seasons so i am a bit worried they will be rushed.


Firstly, we are talking bout JC Staff.
They might be toying with the series first in order to milk of the franchise, as you know it. But for some reason, JC usually mess up LN's adaption while manga adaption like Nodame, Bakuman, etc. is quite good, if not awesome.
Secondly, HnA is quite good! I don't care whether people say it is bad or what, it is good on my list. Thought, Yumekui Merry did sucks.
Third, Toradora! ending is quite YMMV to few people. I, personally dislike Taiga returning earlier than the anime, in which the drama was left hanging quite a bit while the anime wrapped up the series perfectly (together with additional costume, which is cute!)
Finally, trying to cover 8 novel in 24 episode shows aren't that hard, unless they put some useless fillers like usual. For every three episodes, they can actually cover 1 novel, which gives them enough time and if that doesn't works, they can make a finale movie.

All in all, just put a little faith on JC and hope for the best.
 
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Wolfnagi said:
Firstly, we are talking bout JC Staff.
They might be toying with the series first in order to milk of the franchise, as you know it. But for some reason, JC usually mess up LN's adaption while manga adaption like Nodame, Bakuman, etc. is quite good, if not awesome.
Secondly, HnA is quite good! I don't care whether people say it is bad or what, it is good on my list. Thought, Yumekui Merry did sucks.
Third, Toradora! ending is quite YMMV to few people. I, personally dislike Taiga returning earlier than the anime, in which the drama was left hanging quite a bit while the anime wrapped up the series perfectly (together with additional costume, which is cute!)
Finally, trying to cover 8 novel in 24 episode shows aren't that hard, unless they put some useless fillers like usual. For every three episodes, they can actually cover 1 novel, which gives them enough time and if that doesn't works, they can make a finale movie.
All in all, just put a little faith on JC and hope for the best.


Sometimes i think they grab at series to quickly and start to animate things before there is enough material. I have not watched Nodame or Bakuman or read either but i have been meaning to watch Nodame for a while now.
If you think the anime for HnA is good you really should read the novel on baka-tsuki it is alot better. Yumekui Merry they really should of stuck to the manga.
With Toradora i think it is nice that the anime and the novel are slightly different gives you 2 types to watch/read.
Well you can cover 8 novels in a 24 episode season but i still think it might be rushed. In the first season of to aru majutsu no index they spent the first 6 episodes on the first novel so it all depends on how much detail and how close they want to follow the novel. They also made a mistake though of cutting out a big chunk of the 2nd novel with Aureolus Izzard to reduce it to 3 episodes that whole arc should of been darker and thrown Touma deeper into the new world.

Its hard to trust JC they have not been so good recently Kamisama memo was only really good in the start and end as well it got weak in the middle.
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Oct 18, 2011 1:14 AM
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oh Sabrac i wanna see u come in epic battle again...^_^
 
Oct 18, 2011 11:15 AM

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omg im getting rly pumped for this series, ive been w8ing for quite a while for it
so far this season has not failed to dissapoint and im rly looking forward to whatl happen in future eps
 
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Shana's power seems lame to me, using fire to take a form of an arm? Mmm, where's your sword, Shana? ;3; It was way better!

At least i get to see Hecate in this episode, i love her!
 
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I have never given a JC staff anime a bad score.
 
Oct 19, 2011 1:59 PM
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The beginning of this season is too fuzzy, wtf about Yuji's hair and all this stuff...

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Shana's power seems lame to me, using fire to take a form of an arm? Mmm, where's your sword, Shana? ;3; It was way better!

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Oct 19, 2011 5:22 PM

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Angst, angst, angst and even more angst. I swore myself I would watch it 'til the end but it becomes more and more harder after each episode. Nothing important happened until the last 5 minutes. And it's pretty bad that I cared more about Satou shitting himself, than anything else.

"Shall I explain?"
"Yes."
*scene cut*
This is how you make 24 episodes out of 12. Because now I'm pretty confident the whole story could be wrapped up in 12-13 episodes.

Yet another great J.C. Staff like adaptation.
 
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Thank you for the scans.
I like Yuuji on the second, Shana's pose looks weird and her ear too big lol
But i must say i'm not satisfied with his new voice.
 
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I don't understand why Yuuji is the antagonist all of a sudden.
 
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I cant believe Yuuji choose to become his host, and become the leader of the Enemy Army. I want to know why he did this. . . . .
 
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Sometimes i think they grab at series to quickly and start to animate things before there is enough material. I have not watched Nodame or Bakuman or read either but i have been meaning to watch Nodame for a while now.
If you think the anime for HnA is good you really should read the novel on baka-tsuki it is alot better. Yumekui Merry they really should of stuck to the manga.
With Toradora i think it is nice that the anime and the novel are slightly different gives you 2 types to watch/read.
Well you can cover 8 novels in a 24 episode season but i still think it might be rushed. In the first season of to aru majutsu no index they spent the first 6 episodes on the first novel so it all depends on how much detail and how close they want to follow the novel. They also made a mistake though of cutting out a big chunk of the 2nd novel with Aureolus Izzard to reduce it to 3 episodes that whole arc should of been darker and thrown Touma deeper into the new world.
Its hard to trust JC they have not been so good recently Kamisama memo was only really good in the start and end as well it got weak in the middle.


lol, you should definitely watch Nodame and Bakuman. Or any series they adapt from manga. It is VERY good.

And I been trying to read HnA but lack of time and currently finishing F/Z force me to read it later. (Not a prob once you get Bakareader apps xD)
And isn't YM is from LN?

No comment on Toradora!

As for To Aru, some people actually complain bout the whole Himegami Arc, since that arc didn't even included in the manga (which obviously some dumb fans didn't realize To Aru is from LN) and said it is a filler. Just be grateful at it being adapted (Really, you don't want to see someone who is Fan Dumb)

Anyway, JC did goes a bit up and down and the down usually consist LN's adaption.
Otherwise, they are a very good studio, granted they need to reduce fillers...


@KimChanx3: lol, thx for the image.
I just wonder, why doesn't he just use the dragons he summoned to fight Shana instead -.-" (Check Episode 1 back, there are dragons behind Yuuji and they came from his hair. SERIOUSLY~!)
 
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I don't understand why Yuuji is the antagonist all of a sudden.
*shrugs*Can't be helped. This happens when J.C. ignores something as simple as a mysterious voice talking to Yuuji for 2 seasons!!! Yes, that voice from episode 1 was meant to talk and converse with Yuuji for a bigger period of time. Also they turned SHana 2 into a "who will Yuuji pick !" rather than show several parts where Yuuji worries for Shana. From the very start of the novels Yuuji has been obsessed with Shana and her insistence on how she was nothing but a tool for killing Tomogara.

 
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