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Oct 12, 2011 4:22 AM

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THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER.
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This chapter made me so happy. I ALWAYS thought that tobi wasn't madara even after the manga "revealed" it was madara, but all my friends thought I was retarded. It feels good to be right lol.
 
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So thats what shocked madara.. im guessing its his brother though.
 
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No its definitely the real madara, that's why tobi almost had a heart attack when kabuto was about to summon him. Tobi could be the brother but thats a slim chance because ninja can't live forever. Think of all the hell and experiments orchimaru tried to do to live forever and look how that worked out for him.
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Oct 12, 2011 4:29 AM

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Whatta mean brother? That Senju guy, but isn't he a good guy, why would he do all this shit?
 
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Oct 12, 2011 4:33 AM

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It's probably obito as their aren't to many other options.
 
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Oct 12, 2011 4:50 AM

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FFS, am I the only one who's still waiting on Kakashi's rampage?

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lalmvpkobe said:
It's probably obito as their aren't to many other options.

Unlikely. I just can't see this happening. Obito wasn't ever introduced properly in the MAIN storyline of Naruto, but was instead shown in a spin off of Kakashi's past. Why use someone that was introduced in a 6 chapter spin off as one of the main antagonists of the story?
I'm just saying that it's unlikely, not impossible. If this does end up being the case, then Kishimoto in my eyes has literally lost the plot.
 
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Oct 12, 2011 4:58 AM

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lalmvpkobe said:
This chapter made me so happy. I ALWAYS thought that tobi wasn't madara even after the manga "revealed" it was madara, but all my friends thought I was retarded. It feels good to be right lol.


Im right with you... I was always saying that he is not Madara and i thought that he is Obito! (i still think he is Obito) but im really happy that i was right and everyone that was calling me crazy is wrong!!!! :DDDD
 
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Oct 12, 2011 4:59 AM

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When i saw madara i was a bit WTF...but i remeber that tobi was a bit scared of that coffin back then,so this makes a bit of sense ....

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lalmvpkobe said:
No its definitely the real madara, that's why tobi almost had a heart attack when kabuto was about to summon him. Tobi could be the brother but thats a slim chance because ninja can't live forever. Think of all the hell and experiments orchimaru tried to do to live forever and look how that worked out for him.


Madara would have been shocked if it was his brother as well, especially considering they fought to the death and were supposedly very close in strength. But still, either outcome is possible, but considering madaras brother was dead I dont see why kabuto wouldnt use him in the jutsu.
 
Oct 12, 2011 5:07 AM

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Oh my freaking GOD ....
its MADARA !

the end is near !
 
Oct 12, 2011 5:22 AM

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awesome..this is definitely the chapter that i was looking forward to
 
Oct 12, 2011 5:25 AM

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FINALLY we get to the real deal!
 
Oct 12, 2011 5:31 AM

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I have to admit this chappie was pretty great. My guess on the identity behind the "Masked" Madara is Obito, Madara's brother or someone random like Uchiha Mikoto ;P

There's also a chance that it could be Danzo, since he hasn't been resurrected yet. Hint, hint
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Oct 12, 2011 5:35 AM

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Good chapter.
But I need more Kakashi
 
Oct 12, 2011 5:47 AM

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tobi hiding his face behind a mask was always fishy i never believed that he is the real madara. Now we know it for sure the old guessing game who is behind the mask start all over again good job kishi^^ best pick is proably madara brother.
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Oct 12, 2011 6:09 AM

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My Reaction... 0.o WTF is going on?

 
Oct 12, 2011 6:11 AM

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HAHAHA, even though I believed that long time ago since the coffin, I was REALLY WTFing loud @Work :D :D :D :D

maybe (and am not sure of that and will not believe it also) that tobi is madara and he did like orchimaru and then kabuto used the original body

what would be better is Obito I think !!
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Oct 12, 2011 6:15 AM

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Always thought the previous Madara reveal didn't quite fit. susuke's father anyone?
 
Oct 12, 2011 6:21 AM
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That was awesome. : O

As I told somewhere before, he can be younger brother of Uchiha Madara - Izuna or even Obito. If he's someone else, then it'll be even better. :D
We can't forget that Kishimoto can make whole situation more twisted - for example Tobi could be Madara and Madara itself could be Izuna for real (they were very similar to each other, so...).

It's also very suprising that even best NarutoPedia Site (Naruto.wikia.com) wasn't right.
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Madara

Nice twist Kishimoto. :D



and now i'm guessing it's beginning of end... :(
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Oct 12, 2011 6:22 AM

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Mind = blown right now.

Madara, and Madara. No idea what's going on anymore.
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Oct 12, 2011 6:23 AM

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Widelle said:
Good chapter.
But I need more Kakashi


I agree. The chapter was great...and I'm glad we finally got to see Kakashi.

However, Kishi better give Kakashi his own 1 vs 1 fight. He deserves it....so much for the rampage...Kishi needs to stop trolling one of the few great character he has left in this manga....

Nontheless, I enjoyed the chapter.
 
Oct 12, 2011 6:28 AM

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and now i'm guessing it's beginning of end... :(


:(
 
Oct 12, 2011 6:35 AM

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JUST WHO IS BEHIND THE MASK?!

 
Oct 12, 2011 6:56 AM

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Kishimoto really likes to make plot twist like this. So, Masked-Madara is not real the real Uchiha Madara. That Masked-Madaa could be Uchiha Izuna or Uchiha Obito or even some else!

Kishimoto really did a good job this time~
 
Oct 12, 2011 7:06 AM

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What the hell happened?:P Are there 2 madara's now lol?!XD
 
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My Reaction... 0.o WTF is going on?



same here and I want a clear and logical answer !!
 
Oct 12, 2011 7:30 AM

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I have denied the possibility that Tobi=Obito for years, and I will continue doing so. But if it really turns out to be Obito (WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE WILL HAPPEN) I will drop this instantly.

For all we know, it could still be Madara behind that mask. Just in a different body. Though I'm not exactly sure how Edo Tensei works regarding a the corpse of someone if that person's mind switched before that.

But I'm gonna make my guess right here, right now:
It's Madara behind that mask, just from a different dimension, a parallel world of sorts. He just took his own place in "our" world. lol.


Just noticed one more thing. When he came out of that casket Madara mentioned Nagato. So he couldn't have "died" THAT long ago. But since he still look pretty young (and afaik Edo Tensei resurrect people at the age they died), he still must have had some sort of trick to not age.
Talking about Nagato, after he resurrected everyone in Konoha, Madara (I'll just call him that) mentioned how that jutsu was supposed to be for him. Maybe this way he wanted to get his former body back from the dead, further hinting at my assumption that just his body died and his mind switched. Who knows.

Anyway, I'm really curious how this will turn out.
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gotta give it to the author...he managed to bring this out well.
 
Oct 12, 2011 7:55 AM

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So, Tobi is not Madara, after all (as a lot of fans suspected it. I wasn't so sure myself, so this is not a surprise xD). I don't think it's Obito, but I can't say for sure, we'll see xD I'm looking forward to the next chapter xD
 
Oct 12, 2011 7:59 AM

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Mind is Blown.
Well I dont think its obito since tobi fought with minato and obito would have only been a child back then the same age as kakashi.

Its probably someone much older and a uchiha, the only candidate left is Izuna Uchiha.

The reason I think its Izuna is because when Itachi was conversing with tobi, Itachi suggested that madara took Izuna's eyes forcefully and tobi insisted that Izuna gave them willingly, how would tobi know this unless he was Izuna himself.
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Oct 12, 2011 8:05 AM

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There we get it! Now is the question who is really Madara(Tobi)? Nice twist Kishimoto-sensei!
And i think now that Naruto can read feeling, he properly took a look at Hinata. Hope he remembers "the words" Hinata said, around Pain's Arc.



 
Oct 12, 2011 8:07 AM

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Nice turn! So Tobi isn't Madara, but then, who the hell is him? The Obito theory got it's place again~
 
Oct 12, 2011 8:08 AM

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Always knew that Tobi wasn't Madara, so that's what i was expecting )
need more NaruHina :(

 
Oct 12, 2011 8:08 AM

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Madara is... the Fourth Hokage!

Okay, no.

But in all seriousness, this was pretty awesome. A great twist that rejuvenates this dying manga somewhat.


Just pull the trigger...
 
Oct 12, 2011 8:16 AM

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Madara is going to be pissed when he hears that someone has been using his name and if Sasuke finds out that the person he's been listening to isn't who he thought it was, hopefully, that might make him realize that what he's doing is wrong.

 
Oct 12, 2011 8:23 AM
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Such an obvious and predictable plot twist, so it doesn´t surprise me. I wonder what kind of effect this will have on Sasuke.
I hope Naruto ends soon, with a proper ending of course.
 
Oct 12, 2011 8:34 AM

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Pretty nice chapter. good to see little bit kakashi. I hope he will get some more screen time. i can't wait when enemy turn the game and everyone will say what happened. I think those happy faces in this chapter will be sad after few chapters, with madara strike or tobi strike.

I'm glad Hinata got some more panels and some talk with Naruto and moreover Kisihi added hinata flashback from Pain arc. That's great. i would expect some development after this arc.

Frenz said:
Always thought the previous Madara reveal didn't quite fit. susuke's father anyone?

I agree. It should Sasuke father and that will work great as Main Villain rather than Obito, Who was pretty nice guy and sacrificed his life for friends. Kakashi remember his saying "who don't care about his friends is worse than trash" suddenly turn into bad villain and saying he was survived under that rock would be lame.

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t's Madara behind that mask, just from a different dimension, a parallel world of sorts. He just took his own place in "our" world. lol.

Now that is interesting theory. I haven't read this one yet anywhere. It can be possible but will turn into Sci-fi in Ninja world? well it can be explain with some other way and can make more sense, I would love if behind the mask is also madara and if not then Sasuke father, would work great.

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Just noticed one more thing. When he came out of that casket Madara mentioned Nagato. So he couldn't have "died" THAT long ago.

I didn't noticed that at first. Why he mentioned Nagato. He shouldn't know anything about him if he died back then in fight with First Hokage. That explain he was alive all this time. Maybe he did make Akatsuki as Itachi said and he did help him in Uchiha mascare, then how and when he died? Maybe Tobi is the one who killed madara? and took his place as Akatsuki leader pretending to be him with mask. Kisame also knew about madara as Mizukage and Akatsuki leader and tobi can just transform into madara when he showed his face to him. In that case Tobi can be non-uchiha. He killed madara took his eyes and place as Akatsuki leader.
 
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Widelle said:
Good chapter.
But I need more Kakashi


YES!! XD
 
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Ooooooooooooooooh snap...!

Well it seems like Kishi decided to speed things up a little with this chapter and finish it with the shocking revelation (although you could already tell that it was either Madara or Jiraiya by the shadow in the second page, while the latter being apparently impossible). So yeah, lets see how shit turns out.

5/5
 
Oct 12, 2011 8:46 AM

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I see!

Im gonna go with the idea that the Madara behind the mask is a Zetsu doing a perfect copy of Madara, much like Zetsu did for Kisame previously!

Madara said he wants to make himself whole again at the kage summit so maybe his chakra is sploit in two, half is inside zetsu or something, the other half used for the impure ressurection!

I guess earlier Madara was looking at his own body!
 
Oct 12, 2011 9:24 AM

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Maybe it's Sasuke posing as Tobi, just for this fight?
 
Oct 12, 2011 9:27 AM

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Kishi is the king of trolling, he made everyone believe tobi could have been obito(still believe it and never stopped), then made u believe it was madara, and out of no where comes madara and makes everyone question tobi all over again. I love obito and pray that it is him.
 
Oct 12, 2011 9:31 AM
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lol ever since tobi came out i knew it was tobi, i have a lot of explanations of why tobi is obito and here is one,

say tobi 5 times fast

t o b i t o b i t o b i t o b i t o b i

it says obito doesnt it? that is the most common clue that tobi is defently obito, but if u guys want more of why i think he is tobi, let me know
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DotHacker666 said:Kishi is the king of trolling, he made everyone believe tobi could have been obito

He surely never did that.

You also forgot the "Tobi is Danzo, because that eye" theory. We all know how that one turned out.
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grandy_UiD said:
For all we know, it could still be Madara behind that mask. Just in a different body. Though I'm not exactly sure how Edo Tensei works regarding a the corpse of someone if that person's mind switched before that.
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Just noticed one more thing. When he came out of that casket Madara mentioned Nagato. So he couldn't have "died" THAT long ago. But since he still look pretty young (and afaik Edo Tensei resurrect people at the age they died), he still must have had some sort of trick to not age.
Talking about Nagato, after he resurrected everyone in Konoha, Madara (I'll just call him that) mentioned how that jutsu was supposed to be for him. Maybe this way he wanted to get his former body back from the dead, further hinting at my assumption that just his body died and his mind switched. Who knows.

I am with you on this. Lets put 2+2 together here

a)Madara is shocked when Kabuto shows this final casket
b)Madara's revelation to Konan before killing her that Nagato was born because of him
c)Madara using wood technique to regenerate his arm while fighting with Danzo's minions which implies his body isn't exactly human
d)Madara claiming that Nagato's <strike>Edo Tensei</strike> was supposed to be for him
e)The Fourth Hokage is too awesome in this series to be wrong about Madara's identity
f)And importantly impure Madara knows Nagato. Not only that, I get the feeling he was entirely expecting Nagato to bring him back to life(which he seemed to think was what happened until Muu corrected him). Now that feeds into Madara's revelation to Konan and his claim about <strike>Edo Tensei</strike>.

I think all this implies we really have two Madaras here. But I hope I am wrong, I hope it is even more crazy. Maybe Sage of the Six Paths wants to see his pet Juubi again lol. Obito and Sasuke's Father would make it crap. Izuna might be okay.

edit: lol Edo Tensei is Kabuto's jutsu, I suck horribly. I meant to say whatever Nagato used at the end of Pain arc to revive everyone.
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Oct 12, 2011 9:51 AM

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I still think that it Madara he even says in some old chapter that he is only a shell of his former self. He could have transfered his mind or something like that into another body. Besides who else could it be? Obito? No his body was smashed during the Kakashi's past. Madara's brother? No cause Madara killed him and took his eyes so he wouldn't even have a sharingan if that was the case. The only person who this would make sense to be would be Madara himself.
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Wow. I'm shocked. I didn't even thought that Tobi could be someone else than Madara... now I can't wait to know who Tobi really is :3

Or maybe this resurrected Madara is not the real one?
 
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DotHacker666 said:

Kishi is the king of trolling, he made everyone believe tobi could have been obito(still believe it and never stopped), then made u believe it was madara, and out of no where comes madara and makes everyone question tobi all over again. I love obito and pray that it is him.

No he didn't. You guys believe tobi is obito yourself. There was no indication in the manga. just people came up with theories like "one eye" and "tobi" and "danzo" etc. and now people again talking that he's obito, izuna, sasuke father or second madara. when there is no real indication. that means kishi is trolling again? lol no
 
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WOW, from about a year, reading Naruto was for me kinda tiring, but this time I was like - O_O Awesome chapter, I'm looking forward to next one :D
 
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Really nice. Hopefully Tobi is someone else, so we won't get some ridiculous explanation about the existence of two Madaras.
 
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