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Oct 11, 2011 6:46 PM
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I thought it was cool he got to meet Master Roshi as a kid and Mutaito too! xD

Jul 30, 2012 4:25 PM
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If Mutaito was already stronger than Goku, how couldn't he have defeated Piccolo Daimao without having used the Mafuba back when Piccolo first planned on invading the planet?
Oct 17, 2012 7:38 PM
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RIDZ said:
If Mutaito was already stronger than Goku, how couldn't he have defeated Piccolo Daimao without having used the Mafuba back when Piccolo first planned on invading the planet?


Don't use logic. Suspend your disbelief. If you like logic, go watch Death Note.

May 15, 2013 10:37 AM
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RIDZ said:
If Mutaito was already stronger than Goku, how couldn't he have defeated Piccolo Daimao without having used the Mafuba back when Piccolo first planned on invading the planet?


Yes I was thinking the exact same thing but yeah its Dragon Ball just like DBZ things don't always make sense logically lol.

Anyway that was a really cool episode, Goku getting to meet Master Mutaito and younger Master Roshi was pretty fun. Also it seems Crane was pretty crazy even back then contrary to what Roshi said lol.
Nov 14, 2013 9:31 AM
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Awesome just love this concept of going back in time to training alongside Roshi!
Dec 2, 2013 11:16 PM
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brucescrews said:
RIDZ said:
If Mutaito was already stronger than Goku, how couldn't he have defeated Piccolo Daimao without having used the Mafuba back when Piccolo first planned on invading the planet?


Don't use logic. Suspend your disbelief. If you like logic, go watch Death Note.



It's continuity error although there could be an explanation for it in a later episode:



It should also be noted that there are many logical inconsistencies in Dragon Ball/Z/GT.
Feb 26, 2014 6:22 AM
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Tyestor said:
brucescrews said:
RIDZ said:
If Mutaito was already stronger than Goku, how couldn't he have defeated Piccolo Daimao without having used the Mafuba back when Piccolo first planned on invading the planet?


Don't use logic. Suspend your disbelief. If you like logic, go watch Death Note.



It's continuity error although there could be an explanation for it in a later episode:



It should also be noted that there are many logical inconsistencies in Dragon Ball/Z/GT.
Tyestor said:
brucescrews said:
RIDZ said:
If Mutaito was already stronger than Goku, how couldn't he have defeated Piccolo Daimao without having used the Mafuba back when Piccolo first planned on invading the planet?


Don't use logic. Suspend your disbelief. If you like logic, go watch Death Note.



It's continuity error although there could be an explanation for it in a later episode:



It should also be noted that there are many logical inconsistencies in Dragon Ball/Z/GT.
Also this episode is filler ie non-canon
Mar 14, 2014 3:41 AM
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I figured watching this, along with other episodes in this mini-arc, that this may be filler. Mutaito never came off as that strong before, in his confrontations with Piccolo.
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Mar 14, 2014 11:21 AM
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animalia said:
Tyestor said:


It's continuity error although there could be an explanation for it in a later episode:



It should also be noted that there are many logical inconsistencies in Dragon Ball/Z/GT.
Tyestor said:


It's continuity error although there could be an explanation for it in a later episode:



It should also be noted that there are many logical inconsistencies in Dragon Ball/Z/GT.
Also this episode is filler ie non-canon



Just like everyone here mentions this is actually a inconsistency and continuity error because of it being filler.
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Mar 14, 2014 1:32 PM

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Should also mention that Goku flashing Roshi was hilarious.
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Should also mention that Goku flashing Roshi was hilarious.


Indeed!
Nov 17, 2015 7:15 AM

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It's like the first time that Son Goku has serious problems with learning a technique, the meditation and spirit techniques. And Son Goku meets the legendary Mutaito in the Room of Spirit and Time.
Nov 23, 2015 5:05 PM
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Toiriyama creates a lot of characters that look similar. I've seen two or three other people that look like Suno. In this episode Fanfan looked a lot like General Violet from RR.
Aug 31, 2016 4:01 PM

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Personally I like to think it is a friendly spar to test each other skills than an all out battle to the death.
The training filter episodes was surprisingly enjoyable and relaxing.
Jun 16, 2017 11:01 AM

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This has been a surprisingly entertaining little string of episodes.
Aug 8, 2017 9:56 AM
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This episode was really awsome *-*


Oct 2, 2017 8:45 AM

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If Mutaito was a ki master I'm sure Roshi would've known more about it, thus allowing him to do it and teach Goku it. And on top of that as everyone's mentioned, Mutaito is stronger than Goku in this universe, but meanwhile couldn't beat Piccolo when Goku could. Inconsistent filler is bad. But, I really do enjoy the designs and interactions of young Roshi and Crane, so that's a plus. My favorite part was actually the idea of Ten and the gang going to Karin, that should be really cool and it's exactly the kind of training I was hoping we'd get to see. Let's hope the rest of the filler isn't inconsistent.
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link9us said:
animalia said:
Also this episode is filler ie non-canon



Just like everyone here mentions this is actually a inconsistency and continuity error because of it being filler.

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Mar 24, 2018 6:25 AM

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Oh snap young Roshi!
Mar 8, 2020 5:54 PM
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i have a lot of thoughts for this episode. i know crane was supposed to be portrayed as evil but at the beginning of the piccolo arc his downfall after failing to piccolo was described as "he saw the futility in fighting for justice". this would imply he was evil all along and if he really was then roshi would've told the story a lot differently. crane even tried murdering someone in this episode. i also find it a bit baffling that roshi's master STILL allowed crane to train with him even though he almost killed someone.

also kami having time travelling abilities really makes me question how the arc is playing out. why not send goku in the past to train the crap out of and then have him kill piccolo in the past, which would probably bring a huge amount of plot holes and confusion with it, but still. or maybe just killing piccolo jr. before or right when he's born? seems a bit out of character for goku but maybe someone like popo could do it? many questions many question.
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This episode was quite amusing. For all his boasting about being a prodigy amongst prodigies and a handsome devil girls swarm over, young Master Roshi was a shy, cowardly martial artist in the face of Master Shen. And that Master Shen was, most likely, all of the mentioned above.

There are some confusing questions for me in this episode. Firstly, as mentioned before, prime King Piccolo, who Goku managed to defeat, utterly overwhelmed Mutaito. That said, just how did Goku lose to Mutaito? Logic dictates that Goku would, at least, be on the same level as Mutaito. Secondly, Mutaito seems to know a fair bit about manipulating energy, which I presume is Ki. Wouldn't it make sense that Master Roshi should also have energy-related knowledge and techniques? This episode has its fair share of logical inconsistences.
Sep 22, 2020 10:50 PM
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Seems Goku finally got new clothes. That said, this episode didn't make quite a lot of sense. Seems there is a likelihood that Tien and the others will seek out the Korin tower to receive proper training, however.
Jan 22, 2021 2:45 AM

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Goku is learning as much as he can. Now the time travel was awesome. Goku is learning from Master Muta Ito. I knew there is something left. It was spiritual powers. Now Goku will complete his learning and then perfection.

So Goku is the first student of Master Roushi but the young Master Roushi is not the first one he met. He met the old Master Roushi then now he met the young Master Roushi ...... Time travel is sure confusing.

Tien, Yamcha, Krillian should try to climb the Korin's tower. I am sure they will succeed. I am not sure about Chiaotzou but he seems to be succeeded as well. They will be shocked to see Yajirobe living there.
May 4, 2021 7:02 AM

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Everybody making great points and no doubt there will be plot holes later on and in DBZ.. but I was thinking of it more like this:

BornWithCHeeSe said:
Personally I like to think it is a friendly spar to test each other skills than an all out battle to the death.
The training filter episodes was surprisingly enjoyable and relaxing.


Had push come to shove, Goku would have won, but he isn't being pushed to his ultimate limits and he's there to learn.
Jul 8, 2021 1:06 PM

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goku oblivious of his time travel? no surprise! xD
nice, he will be stronger than his master and his master's master :D in the past..

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Jul 10, 2021 2:21 AM
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You have two balls
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Jan 16, 2023 7:27 PM

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Not only is this an interesting scenario but it also introduces ki into Dragon ball for the first time
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Why was Ki introduced in a filler 😂 Anyways cool episode, I thought that panfan-san was General Violet at first.

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