Code Geass - Hangyaku no Lelouch R2 Episode 15 Discussion

Brian333 said:


mmhmm <_<

So what of Charles? He took V.V.'s code and yet he doesn't have the geass mark across his forehead. It's also not like the mark of geass was always showing on V.V.'s forehead, either.

The truth is we won't know what happened this episode until some things are explained.

To clear things up for people, things we know from watching this episode:

1.) We know C.C.'s past now.

2.) The immortal contractors (V.V. and C.C.) give geass to people in an attempt to find a person who will take their place as a contractor and end their immortality.

3.) The way geass changes over time (like we saw with the mishap with Lelouch's geass involving Euphy) is a result of geass developing. After geass reaches the end of its development, the possessor of the geass replaces the contractor.

4.) The original deal between C.C. and Lelouch was this: In exchange for the power of the kings, Lelouch would eventually inherit C.C.'s immortality from her and take her place as an immortal contractor. What C.C. wanted was a release from her timeless suffering and the pain of countless years of pain, loss, and suffering.

5.) Charles inherited V.V.'s code. As a result, he's now immortal.

6.) Suzaku has come to the realization that his actions resembled Lelouch's.

Things we don't know but can speculate about now:

1.) The Sword of Akasha's use is still unknown. I was thinking that it was most likely a tool that allows the final transfer of immortality from the contractor to the contracted when the time has come. Charles has said that the Sword of Akasha is a weapon that is used to slay the gods. If we assume that the gods are C.C. and V.V. (and possibly not limited to them as we saw in C.C.'s various flash backs), it makes sense as he's effectively slaying them when they lose their immortality. This theory is effectively debunked by the fact that C.C.'s original contractor didn't need the Sword of Akasha to give her immortality to C.C.

2.) Contractors and Geass. Right now, we know when Charles replaced V.V., he lost his geass. So, we can assume that it was not Charles altering or erasing C.C.'s memories with his geass. We can assume it was something else. Also, if it was a result of geass, Orange's canceler would make it a rather pointless plot twist.

3.) Right now, we can't say for sure if C.C. has lost her abilities as a contractor. We also can't say anything definitive about what happens to other contracted geass users when their contractor is stripped of their role as a contractor. It would make sense that their geasses are effectively cancelled since their contracts are nullified. So, what happens to Rolo? And, if C.C. has indeed lost her abilities as a contractor, what would happen to Lelouch?

4.) Contrary to what has been said in this topic, we also don't know if Charles is indeed trapped within the realm of the Sword of Akasha.

Brian333 said:


Hmm, I forgot about that. It still think it's a rather mixed situation. I don't think C.C. wanted to make Lelouch suffer the immortality that she had to. I think her decision to confront Charles was partially out of that concern. The fact that Lelouch wanted to get rid of geass was also another concern that C.C. had to address before giving Lelouch her powers.

I also don't think that the fact we didn't see Lelouch's permanent geass in his left eye at the end of the episode despite the fact that he removed the contact lens during the time he spent within the realm of the Sword of Akasha means anything. Also, nothing would suggest that Lelouch suddenly obtained the power needed to inherit the powers of a contractor.

Slayer12 said:
hmm don't you wonder how Charles is still alive even tho he's soo dam fat?
Ep was pretty good.

Thanatos said:
I'm starting to think Kallen won't be rescued/attempted to be rescued until the season finale...leaving some massive plot twist ahead.

Brian333 said:
I'm starting to heavily doubt this is going to have a third season. The way they've handled pacing as of late would really make it hard to believe they're planning for a continuation. Maybe a movie of some sort to close things up or an 1 hour special but not another season.

Ever since Zero has left Japan, even the more laid-back episodes have had a good deal of plot moving content spliced into them. These last 2-3 episodes have been packed so heavily with content that the pacing has really been pushed beyond easily understandable.

Quite frankly, I see no reason why they would push things this fast optionally. It's very obvious they're doing it because they have to.

At this point, there are 10 episodes left. Looking at the plot, that's really more than enough time to address the issues with Marianne, the remaining issues with Geass and contractors, and the war between Brittannia and Zero's forces.

Wuikiki said:
i thought if the emperor has become like v.v he cannot be geassed