Your Thoughts on MAL's Exclusion of Non-Asian Animation

KyuuAL said:
What are these Western animation principles? I'll use this as an example:

DrHouse said:
And It's not hard to come up with a valid difference between anime and animation: anime is cartoons made for Japanese audiences, animation is a blanket term for all cartoons.

nznznz said:
And what does that have to do with MAL adding more content to its database? There're already lots of crappy anime shows in there, what difference would it make to you if they added more?

I get the impression this has more to do with fandoms hating each other, because everyone is ignorant of the other.

Beatnik said:
I wouldn't want My Little Pony on an anime database either, but my question is what do you do when one day the production of it involves Japanese anime influence, and therefore after a while has a pretty substantial anime-loving fanbase behind it? What have you got to lose by including it on MAL?

If you dig deep enough into the productions of many of your beloved 'Japanese' anime, you'll find there's nothing Japanese about the money and businessmen behind it. The only thing that matters is the content, influence and style.

Han-yuu said:
I hate johnny bravo, family guy, ed, edd and eddy, powerpuff girls with a passion. even more than 1 scored series in my list, so yes, i want myanimelist.net clean rather than more bunch of crap.

Call ignorant, weeabos, racist anything, but you're voicing your opinion and we're ours. so you're also ignorant for asking cartoons on anime site while ignoring MAL Official FAQ.

Anime_Name said:
Voltron is not.

Han-yuu said:
(inb4 someone post anime definition again. asian animation = anime = keep site clean)

KyuuAL said:


Voltron?! It's not? WTF

nznznz said:

I thought we were already over that point. So yeah, animation is a general term and anime means animation from Japan, I think everyone got that. Yet that's not a distinct difference that would justify the constant resistance against western animation. In this globalised world it's not too hard to come up with scenarios that would make this definition crumble. And if there're no practical difference than I conclude it's just ignorance.

Akai-Ryuusei said:


Golion = anime
Voltron = Westen animation
i have the same view on Robo tech

KyuuAL said:


Robotech was an extreme case of ... ENGLISH DUBBING. 100% of Robotech is visually anime. However, the dubbing company decided to splice 3 different anime series and glue them.

FYI - I hate the word "dub".

DrHouse said:
Well, if you're acknowledging that anime does exist, then I don't see why you have a problem with it being the only animation allowed on MyAnimeList. Whether or not western animation is unappreciated or stigmatized seems to be an entirely separate issue. Unless you can come up with some reason why it would be relevant...

nznznz said:

Referring to the site name is meaningless when there're already manga not to mention names can be changed or websites extended. But I'm not so much interested in changing this site, rather why people seem to be completly against the idea of broadening the range no matter how this could be realized and I simply like to understand where this comes from.

nznznz said:

Referring to the site name is meaningless when there're already manga not to mention names can be changed or websites extended. But I'm not so much interested in changing this site, rather why people seem to be completly against the idea of broadening the range no matter how this could be realized and I simply like to understand where this comes from.

DrHouse said:
The reason why manga, light novels are included and why VNs should be included is because they're regularly adapted into anime. They are directly involved with anime. Western animation, on the other hand, has nothing to do with anime besides being a similar medium.

nznznz said:

At least that's an honest answer. I still don't see how I'm ignorant for asking about your reasons or how this would affect you personally. I'm not even the one asking for cartoons on this site nor would I add many to my list. But I won't condem a whole medium because of some black sheep. I'm not even certain you could call them separate media, because the only differnce is originating country.

KyuuAL said:

Voltron?! It's not? WTF

Anime_Name said:


Since you are taking the smallest bit of the sentence and reacting to it why don't you try to consider the whole thing. "GoLion is on MAL while Voltron is not." That is not a WTF shocking statement. It's pretty obvious Voltron does not have an entry on this site.

DrHouse said:
But I came on to MAL, just like everyone else, for the anime.

Anime_Name said:
Although Beatnik is clearly too high on his brand of supremacist satire

nznznz said:

It would totaly ruin your experience if there're cartoons in the DB as well, right?

KyuuAL said:


Well, you're talking to someone, who had referenced Voltron as an anime for a good 20+ years now.

KyuuAL said:


Oh just imagine the bliss anime brings...

All those worlds... full of girls... lolis... bad ass dudes... and even sissies, whom many viewers can relate to.

Just imagine how all that could come crashing down with the inception of cartooning. May as well be the end of the world as they know it.

Anime_Name said:


So what is WTF shocking about Voltron not being on MAL? Surely being a fan of Voltron for 20 years you can not have now just realize its absence on this site.

DrHouse said:
But I don't want to go back to the days of mysql errors and lag just so that you can make your epeen bigger by adding Family Guy and The Simpsons to your list.

DrHouse said:
But I don't want to go back to the days of mysql errors and lag just so that you can make your epeen bigger by adding Family Guy and The Simpsons to your list.

nznznz said:

So in case of better servers you wouldn't be against the inclusion?

nznznz said:

So in case of better servers you wouldn't be against the inclusion?

KyuuAL said:
Server resources is likely not the limiting factor to the argument. The sentiment of anime vs non-anime spreads well beyond MAL.

KyuuAL said:


Server resources is likely not the limiting factor to the argument. The sentiment of anime vs non-anime spreads well beyond MAL.

nznznz said:
I still don't see how I'm ignorant for asking about your reasons or how this would affect you personally. I'm not even the one asking for cartoons on this site nor would I add many to my list. But I won't condem a whole medium because of some black sheep. I'm not even certain you could call them separate media, because the only differnce is originating country.

Anime_NameYet said:
IF MAL expanded into documenting Western animation then that would mean an unquestionable need for increased storage capacity and bandwidth. Those things cost money.

KyuuAL said:


I'm willing to bet. Given the number of new anime series per given year -- the number of entries from Western animation would be sub-par. So, don't even go there.

Anime_Name said:


The type of addition being asked for in this thread is a retroactive one that includes shows from last year, the year before that, the year before that, and so on up until all Western animated shows are cataloged here so that the OP or anyone else that wants can add w/e show they want onto their MAL lists.

KyuuAL said:


Then consider the number of anime that had to be added here when MAL was new. And this site hasn't been around very long.

What's your next excuse?

GigaSPX said:
I'm surprised this topic has managed to get so far as to 10 pages already. It may be uncommon to most of you, as I'm still a newb of the sort, but it's just wow.

DrHouse said:
And that's exactly what we don't want to go back to: that laggy, mysql shit. That plus the fact that there are higher priority things like VNs and J-Dramas that have been denied because there weren't enough resources.

KyuuAL said:


Ever heard of the Sub vs Dub "debate"? That discussion has been going on throughout the Internets since... forever.

KyuuAL said:


Then consider the number of anime that had to be added here when MAL was new. And this site hasn't been around very long.

What's your next excuse?

I bet you: 98% of the US anime community likely cannot handle the idea of "American anime" just because they can't handle it. Of course, prove me wrong. I HOPE to be wrong.

DrHouse said:
is it about Japanese animation: the answer should be obvious.

Anime_Name said:
So why do you think doubling, triple, or even quadrupling their workload in order to add all Western animation shows would be feasible in their eyes? Basically wanting them to invest their time and money because 'me likey' cartoons is just not a convincing argument.

Um, I'm going after something bigger than what this site accepts or doesn't accept.

Anime_Name said:

That is not this topic's debate. The OP clearly noting that anime and Western animation are seperate and the inclusion of Western animation this site. Western animation would not become "American anime". Hell the OP isn't even limiting his/her want to American animation as one of the shows he/she wants to add is Code Lyoko. You are having trouble staying on topic and trying to turn this discussion into one of the other ones that have been closed.

DrHouse said:
Indeed, it is as AnimeName says: you're trying to turn this into a debate about whether Japanese animation is better than Western animation. That has nothing to do with this issue.

Anime_Name said:
The more you post "I" this and "me" that it just proves you are not capable of reasonably thinking about this situation beyond your own selfish wants. You think it would be so easy and that servers, bandwidth, etc are just excuses then since you want something bigger so badly do it yourself.

KyuuAL said:


Fine. You WANT an simplified answer to OP's question. Here it is:



It's sad that you people can't see that.

KyuuAL said:


Fine. You WANT an simplified answer to OP's question. Here it is:



It's sad that you people can't see that.

And no, my intent isn't selfish. It's for anyone out there - who isn't Japanse - but actually aspires to make anime. This process has been slow. Excruciatingly slow. It may take one generation or two. But things are headed in that direction. Market forces dictate it and demand it.

Noticing more and more of these... "co-productions"... are happening. I just hope the American industry actually learns from the Japanese industry. Someday anime WILL be made in America. When that happens, I will laugh at your face. Hard. Thus, I pity you for being so short-sighted.

KyuuAL said:
Should all of Western animation be included in this site? No. I don't want SpongeBob in here.

Are there exceptions? Yes.

lpfManiak said:
And some of you seem to think that we were talking about the induction of Avatar or MLP only. When I said people were weeaboos, I got answered “My Little Pony is shit [implied: western cartoon is shit]”. That’s infortunate. I’m not going to lie-- a lot of anime is shit while you guys still love them, if you’re that easy to please, just let the connoisseurs recommend you some cartoons, there’s no reason not to like them (oh I forgot, not japanese trololo).

lpfManiak said:
Well, if no one said it, sorry if you got the impression I was looking at you. It was not my intention.

Beatnik said:
Anything that carries an anime influence and is loved by anime fans deserves to be on this site for them to list in their anime and manga lists. It's not worth depriving them just because of a holier than thou attitude. It's almost akin to what foreigners go through when they move to Japan, a symptom called 'My Japan'. It's not yours, it's mine! My Japan!

Beatnik said:
It's almost akin to what foreigners go through when they move to Japan, a symptom called 'My Japan'. It's not yours, it's mine! My Japan!

Narmy said:
You think MLP is anime influenced? If Avatar is accepted you can bet people won't stop until MLP is accepted too, and then it's just a snowball effect from there. I love cartoons, but I don't come to MAL for that.

Ghostalker said:
Even in my country (Philippines), the local channels here define "anime" as shows like Code Geass, Gundam, Dragon Ball etc..

They define the animated shows from Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network like tom and Jerry, Powerpuff girls, Dora The explorer etc as "cartoons"

Even in the television businesses, they have a definition of what's anime and what's cartoon. Anyways when I was younger (15 years ago) all animated works are called cartoons, but TV channels suddenly started calling Japanese animated works as "Anime (and something that comes from Japan)" sometime later in order to differentiate itself from other animated works, guess what? It works, In the late 1990s anime series like Yuyu Hakusho, Flame of Recca, Pokemon, etc became mega-hit shows in the primetime slot 7-9pm.