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Aug 26, 2018 2:00 AM

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And so they managed to tie everything together rather nicely! I enjoyed this series very much, it is a great time travelling thriller. It starts slow, but not in a bad way. The first half makes one really care about all the involved characters and it is good that these episodes explain the time travel rules and logic of this anime. Without those explanations, the latter half might seem like there were plotholes. But they explained the world line concept in great details beforehand.

As a mystery it was a little bit too predictable I think, and as a character show most of them didn't get quite enough characterization. But I was quite fond of the Okabe / Kurisu dynamic and the romantic element of the show! It developped subtly and very naturally. I liked the comedy aspect, too. The show never made me laugh, but that's okay, since it's not a comedy series. It did make me smile and feel happy though during the first half. And that's great!

As someone who's watched the entire Star Trek franchise, I really appreciate that Steins;Gate follows its own time travel logic consistently and doesn't screw up. Because Star Trek has a shitton of different time travel logics, and sometimes they even screw up within the timespan of a single episode, by introducing contradicting logic.

This show gets a very solid 7/10 from me! It is good and I think it can be universally appreciated, whether you are into those kind of stories or not. I might even bump it up to a 8/10 eventually, after checking out the sequels etc. of this franchise. It's just that great! My favorite character has to be Okabe of course, since he is the deepest character. But his antics early on when he was just a comedic figure were also really funny and charming! Plus he knows what's up, lab coats are freaking rad.

If I had access to D-Mails, I would send one to myself a few years ago and tell him he's an idiot for dropping Steins;Gate after 1 episode. If I had stuck with it for a bit longer, I might not have taken a break from anime altogether for such a long time.
 
Sep 7, 2018 5:36 AM
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Great anime and really good ending
 
Oct 10, 2018 8:53 AM
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Great anime, even after rewatching. Christina/10
 
Oct 20, 2018 2:47 AM

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Who is that girl that looks exactly like Suzuha, though?

It's so confusing!
Suzuha is not supposed to exist on SG WL.

That girl is also implying that she'll get a baby in 7 years, so us viewers probably think that she must be Suzuha's mother. But that's also not true, because we all know thanks to Steins Gate 0 that Suzuha's mother is Yuki.

Am I just thinking too much about that Suzuha look-a-like?? .....
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Oct 21, 2018 3:47 AM

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Steins;gate was the first show to have ever made me cry. It's been 2 months since completing the series and I still feel empty knowing I'll never get to experience it for the first time again.


 
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chochajin said:
Who is that girl that looks exactly like Suzuha, though?

It's so confusing!
Suzuha is not supposed to exist on SG WL.

That girl is also implying that she'll get a baby in 7 years, so us viewers probably think that she must be Suzuha's mother. But that's also not true, because we all know thanks to Steins Gate 0 that Suzuha's mother is Yuki.

Am I just thinking too much about that Suzuha look-a-like?? .....


The girl that looked like Suzuha in the Ova ep 25 is actually Yuki but they decided to change her look in Steins;Gate 0 to look more like Mayuri instead.

Why did they do that? they probably wanted her to look different because it would be kinda weird seeing 2 persons looking like Suzuha but then again, Yuki looks like Mayuri instead with a different hairstyle and different hair color.
 
Oct 27, 2018 2:45 PM
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Definitely one of the best anime, would D-mail myself to watch it long time ago. But still missing in some departments, so 9/10. Fight me.
 
Oct 31, 2018 9:52 AM
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Definitely one of the best anime, would D-mail myself to watch it long time ago. But still missing in some departments, so 9/10. Fight me.


What is missing in your opinion?
 
Oct 31, 2018 1:07 PM
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What is missing in your opinion?


Three biggest problems I have are:
-the background music, it's pretty much absent or generic, to the point I don't recall a time when I've noticed it
-the good ending, although it fits alright and is executed well, IMO a bad ending, where Okabe cannot rescue both girls, or even better goes insane, would be more suitable
-Okabe realizes undoing the first D-Mail will kill Makise a bit too late in the show, especially for a guy of his intellect and ability
 
Nov 16, 2018 7:01 AM

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Best conclusion to the best show ever.I'm glad they didnt make it like Gainax ending,if they did then I would probably give SG a 9 instead of a 10.
 
Dec 25, 2018 9:08 AM

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The final plan to build a pathway to a future of happiness has begun...

YES OKABE!!! It's so satisfying to see Okabe insulting that stupid father directly, and better yet when Okabe is threatening to kill him even after Okabe was stabbed, I can see all the details on Nakabachi's face, his pathetic petrified face is goddamn satisfying to see!!!

Damn, Okabe, his determination for a peaceful future can literally be seen when he willingly took that stab straight! This physical pain is nothing compared to the psychological pain that he had suffered countless times before...

These changes answered the events back in the first episode, it's MIND BLOWING seeing all the events being connected and explained to one another!

  • Now, the metal oopa, was replaced with plastic so that the metal detectors can't find it along with the research papers, so they would burn,
    stopping time machine development race and WW3
  • Makise is alive but only unconscious because of the taser
  • Makise's blood is actually Okabe's blood
  • The scream that past Okabe heard is Present Okabe's scream
  • And more...


The moment when the present Okabe was witnessing the past Okabe signifies the end of this longest and most important 3 weeks of his life. It has been such a painful yet a joyful journey for him, after countless psychological pain that he had suffered through, after some excruciating physical pain such as this one where he's stabbed and after many efforts to straighten things out, he finally succeeded, through determination and motivation for a future of happiness, beyond the 1% and beyond the attractor field convergence, in the perfect worldline of Steins;Gate!!! Even if nobody will fully remember the cheerful memories that they've made together as lab members, Okabe along with everybody including the now alive Kurisu can live and spend times making new memories together! Finally, this is truly is the perfect ending for what is a journey through pain and despair for Okabe!

I get even happier seeing that all of the lab members are united with that badge, all Okabe have to do is wait 7 years until when Suguha, lab member 008 is born for them all to be truly reunited!

This is such a beautiful and dramatic journey followed with such perfect and tear-jerking ending. I absolutely love how the time travelling concept get along perfectly with the events that are happening to the characters. Also, seeing Okabe's character develops after the many events he has experienced is so fantastic to see. I just really love this show! I just wishes that this ending is not altered in the OVAs or in Steins; Gate 0. (But another part of me wants to see what would happen if some scenarios are altered)

From Loveable characters, beautiful soundtracks, wonderful animation and amazing story. Steins; Gate is a brilliant masterpiece! It's an excellent show- no... It's a perfect show!

Well, time to watch all of the OVAs and then moving on to Steins; Gate 0!!!
[b]See you again in the OVAs sonovabitch! El Psy Congroo...

If the one with control of time is the ruler of the world, then Okabe- no! The mad scientist, Hououin Kyouma has surpassed his objective to change the world ruling structure as HE is the person who stands as the Ruler of the world!
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Dec 26, 2018 11:51 AM
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ShadowZ_AnimeZ said:

These changes answered the events back in the first episode, it's MIND BLOWING seeing all the events being connected and explained to one another!

  • Now, the metal oopa, was replaced with plastic so that the metal detectors can't find it along with the research papers, so they would burn,
    stopping time machine development race and WW3
  • Makise is alive but only unconscious because of the taser
  • Makise's blood is actually Okabe's blood
  • The scream that past Okabe heard is Present Okabe's scream
  • And more...



Actually, no...
In the first episode, Makise was dead, and that was her blood. This worldline in the last episode is not that worldline from the first episode (time travel changes the worldline).
The scream is not Present Okabe's scream in the first episode. That scream is from an Okabe from a previous worldline iteration (the Okabe from Steins;Gate 0 is the closest match for him)

ShadowZ_AnimeZ said:

If the one with control of time is the ruler of the world, then Okabe- no! The mad scientist, Hououin Kyouma has surpassed his objective to change the world ruling structure as HE is the person who stands as the Ruler of the world!


Oh boi... If you finished Steins;Gate 0, you will know that not this Okabe is the true ruler of the world :)
 
Dec 26, 2018 12:05 PM

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Actually, no...
In the first episode, Makise was dead, and that was her blood. This worldline in the last episode is not that worldline from the first episode (time travel changes the worldline).
The scream is not Present Okabe's scream in the first episode. That scream is from an Okabe from a previous worldline iteration (the Okabe from Steins;Gate 0 is the closest match for him)


Well yeah, of course, taking the changed worldlines into consideration, these points are not entirely accurate, but I should've just stated the difference of what happened in this ep and the first ep which I am aware is on an entirely different worldline.
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Oh boi... If you finished Steins;Gate 0, you will know that not this Okabe is the true ruler of the world :)

I was just finished commenting on ep 15 of Steins; Gate 0! Well, I'll have to see that myself, now... Here I go binge-watching the rest of S;G 0!
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All I can say is that it's one hell of a ride and that it deserves all the recognition it gets. It's a masterpiece. 10/10 for me. I really though that he died at the end when I saw those flowers, but I got a wholesome ending instead. What a great anime! Would watch again.
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I thought this was a good show, especially in the beginning. For me, it didn't live up to all the hype. I was entertained. But I wasn't blown away. There was a lack of really likable characters. I think my problem was that I bought into all the hype that surrounds this series all over the internet. And it just wasn't what I was expecting. score 7/10
 
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Rewatching show with sister to get fully immersed when watching Steins;Gate 0 right after!

After a good 6 years this show still had the same emotional impact on me as it had back then.
The characters are the people you will never forget about, the story itself is one of the most interesting and beautiful stories I've seen in anime.

This is what perfection is to me, if an anime deserved to be in the top 5 of all anime, it's this one!
6 Years later and I still cry at all those beautiful and sad moments, truly magnificent!

Thank you "White Fox"!

El. Psy. Kongroo.
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Awesome! Everyone is getting their memories back! I hope there's a season 2, this anime was amazing :0
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So Okabes plan was to use the red liquid from the cyalume light sword and a taser to make it look like Kurisu died. Not bad but like Daru mentioned it sounded way to easy. So back in the past he first managed to get the metal upa so that the plans about the time machine definitely will get burned.

Of course the liquid in the cyalume sword dried and Okabe wasn't able to use it. In that moment I paniced a little bit. But when he looked at his hand I knew what he wanted to do. You have to have guts to be so calm in front of someone with a knife. The knife in his stomache muste have hurt. Even with that he knocked Kurisu out. What Okabe did after this was just crazy but explained the scream we heard in the first episode. He's definitely a mad scientist hahaha.
A little bit sad that Suzu left during their trip back.

It was so nice to see Okabe giving everyone the laboratory badge. Moeka now works for Mr. Braun and also got a badge. Okabe even saved one for their 8th member in form of Suzu. :)

So Kurisu was looking for Okabe and they finally met on the streets of Akihabara. I loved her reaction when Okabe was calling her Christina or assistens because she remembered these things. What an nice way to end such an masterpiece <3



I'm almost speechless how good Steins;Gate was. Even if it was slower and confusing at the beginning it got better and better to a point were I just loved it. There were so much sad situations were I cried, but also these lovely moments. Mayuri positive attitude was one of the best things with here TUTURU :D

What can I say besides this became one of my all time favourites. The first time you watch an anime like this is something I love the most. I will definitely rewatch it in the future, but before that there's the movie, a special and Stein;Gate 0.

Thanks to all the great voice actors and also the studio White Fox. <3

10/10

EL. Psy. Congroo.

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Natsu88 said:
I will definitely rewatch it in the future, but before that there's the movie, a special and Stein;Gate 0.


Make sure to watch it in the right order.

Steins;Gate: Oukoubakko no Poriomania
Steins;Gate Movie

Steins;Gate: Kyoukaimenjou no Missing Link
Steins;Gate 0
 
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Make sure to watch it in the right order.

Steins;Gate: Oukoubakko no Poriomania
Steins;Gate Movie

Steins;Gate: Kyoukaimenjou no Missing Link
Steins;Gate 0


Definitely. Thanks for the advice :)
 
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What Okabe did after this was just crazy but explained the scream we heard in the first episode. He's definitely a mad scientist hahaha.


Actually, the scream from the 1st episode and the screm from the 23rd and 24th episodes are entirely different. The first episode's worldline is not the worldline which was in the 23rd and 24th episodes.

But the scream from the 1st episode is also belongs to Okabe, but it belongs to and other Okabe. Precisely, it belongs to an Okabe from a previous worldline iteration (the closest match is the Okabe from Steins;Gate 0)

I also want to say something about the order. The "chronological" (in terms of worldline iteration chronology) order of the canon materials:
Steins;Gate 1-22 (a bit differently than it was told in the anime)
Steins;Gate Kyoukaimenjou no Missing Link (23ß)
Steins;Gate 0
Steins;Gate 1-24

Btw. it is not exactly a chronological order, because Steins;Gate 1-22 happened a little bit differently before Steins;Gate 0:


Steins;Gate: Oukoubakko no Poriomania and the Steins;Gate Movie take place after Steins;Gate episode 24, but they are considered non-canon. If you want to know the official, canon afterstory, you should read the Holy Day of Scourge light novel
 
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Disappointing to the very end.
 
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Disappointing to the very end.


I'm curious what was wrong with this show in your opinion.
 
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Dzentelmen2 said:
Disappointing to the very end.


I'm curious what was wrong with this show in your opinion.


I didn't like any of the main characters and none of the episodes going into their pasts to give them more depth helped in any way. I liked Faris' and Rukako's fathers the most only because they didn't have enough screen time to have a chance to become annoying. The fact that they acted like a bunch of fools most of the time made it hard to take any supposedly sad scene seriously. Moeka's quirk of speaking through mails was especially annoying. They had that episode that was supposed to explain it but they didn't really go into her past so I felt like all that stuff about her and FB was forced. The only one I felt sympathy for was Rukako, but it was mostly because of how she was treated by whomever made this instead of his/her story. I didn't like how Okarin called himself a genius yet never seemed to stop and think about the consequences of his actions and overlooked a lot of simple stuff. He relied on Kurisu too much and then at end they added to that the help from Suzu and future Okarin which just made the present one seem like someone completely incapable of achieving anything by himself. The plot twists weren't surprising and there wasn't any spirit lifting scene one would expect from stuff like this. This kinda reminded me of Shiki. Both these anime are slow mysteries but the characters in that mostly weren't as annoying and there were a bunch of moments that rewarded you for waiting but there didn't seem to be anything like that in Steins Gate. The fact that the time travel was tailored to the story the author wanted to tell and not the other way around seemed lazy although I liked that it was used to make the romance make more sense although it still felt forced.

I still plan to watch the movie, 0 and other stuff since even though I was bored by this, I somehow was able to watch this faster than most anime. I hope that something will click for me and I'll suddenly like it more but from my experience with Utena, this probably won't happen.

I have no problem with people liking this but I also don't want someone trying to explain to me why I should like it or telling me to watch it again in order to understand it better or any such bull. I, at least, get why people would like it since there were a couple neat ideas in there and it seems like for most people it hit the spot. But with so many anime to watch, I don't have time to care about the fact that I'm the odd one out by not liking this supposed masterpiece. Sorry if what I said doesn't make sense.
 
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I have a question pls somebody help

1. Suzuha's mission plothole
In episode 15 Suzuha tells Okabe about her mission to retrieve IBN5100 and make sure Okabe in 2010 gets it in order to shift the world line away from dystopian Alpha attractor. However, in episode 5 she saw Okabe and Kurisu carrying the computer to the lab and told him NOTHING, which led to Okarin losing possession of IBN5100 and correcting his mistakes for around 15 more episodes just to get it back. He could've jumped to Beta already in ep 5 if Suzuha had told him everything back then.
And no, she could not possibly know that Okabe needed time to fall in love with Kurisu to have motivation to save the world from WWIII, since none of Valkyrie members knew of WWIII and other problems in Beta.

This situation leads us to a paradox:
1.1 Her mission was SUCCESSFUL already without even starting.
Before deaprting to 1975 to start her mission, she could already observe the consequences of her presence in 2010: she saw that Okabe had already found IBN5100, she didn't have to sacrifice her life in the 70s. Her future older version of herself had made sure Okabe gets the computer and made 2010 Suzuha's life much easier. Is this a loop? If it is, when did it start? Why wasn't she surprised at least?
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Roflan said:

1. Suzuha's mission plothole


It is not a plothole. Suzuha's mission was to travel to 1975 and retrieve the IBN. She had nothing to do in 2010. She just traveled there because she wanted to meet her father. If he stops Okabe, tells her the truth, and Okabe deletes the D-Mail which moves the world to Beta again, then she wouldn't have the chance to meet with her father. Maybe she thought that she waits a little more that maybe she will meet her father in some days. But unfortunately, Okabe lost the IBN because of the other D-Mails. She couldn't know that Okabe will lose it.

Roflan said:

This situation leads us to a paradox:
1.1 Her mission was SUCCESSFUL already without even starting.
Before deaprting to 1975 to start her mission, she could already observe the consequences of her presence in 2010: she saw that Okabe had already found IBN5100, she didn't have to sacrifice her life in the 70s. Her future older version of herself had made sure Okabe gets the computer and made 2010 Suzuha's life much easier. Is this a loop? If it is, when did it start? Why wasn't she surprised at least?


It is more complicated. Yes, in the beginning of the story the IBN was in the shrine, because Suzuha obtained it in 1975. But that Suzuha, who obtained the IBN first wasn't the Suzuha which we saw in the anime. It was a Suzuha from a previous Alpha worldline iteration. The complete chronology of Steins;Gate is not just the events of the two anime. Here is the complete chronology of the story, with the unseen iterations and unseen events:

1. Okabe 1 visits Nakabachi's presentation (there is no satellite on the roof).

2. Kurisu dies (not stabbed by Okabe, but for some other reason e.g. stabbed by Nakabachi).

3. Okabe 1 hears something that makes him examine Kurisu's body (this is not Okabe's scream, but something else e.g. Kurisu's or Nakabachi's scream).

4. Okabe 1 accidently sends a d-mail, and moves to Alpha.

5. First Alpha iteration happens. No Suzuha in 2010 from the future. Mayuri dies in 2010. Okabe 1, Kurisu, Daru were captured by SERN. They force Kurisu to create a time machine.

6. Okabe 1, Daru escape from SERN, decide to make a time machine to change the past and avoid SERN dystopia. In 2025, Okabe dies. Later Daru and Kurisu dies too. In 2036, Suzuha goes back to 2010.

7. Second Alpha iteration happens. Suzuha arrives in 2010, she meets Okabe. From now let's call him Okabe 2. A similar story to Steins;Gate Episode 1-12 happens, except that no IBN in the shrine yet. Moeka attacks, Mayuri dies. Story of The Distant Valhalla light novel begins.

8. In 2036, Suzuha travels back to 2010.

9. Third Alpha iteration begins. Suzuha arrives in 2010, she meets Okabe. From now let's call him Okabe 3. A similar story to Steins;Gate Episode 1-12 happens, except that no IBN in the shrine yet. Moeka attacks, Mayuri dies. Okabe time leaps over and over to save her. Suzuha reveals that she is John Titor, and she has to obtain an IBN from 1975. Story of Steins;Gate Episode 12-22 happens. Suzuha captures the IBN. Okabe 3 manages to delete the first D-Mail from SERN's database, and goes back to Beta.

10. Okabe 3 manages to return to the Beta attractor field. Kurisu is dead. Okabe 3 does nothing, he accepts that Kurisu is dead. However, WWIII starts, and Okabe 3 finds out that Kurisu's thesis is the main reason of WWIII. He decides to create a time machine.

11. Okabe 3 dies in 2025, Suzuha travels back from 2036 to 2010 to help Okabe saving Kurisu.

12. Suzuha is on the roof in 2010, she calls Okabe 3 (who arrived back from Alpha 4 days ago from his point of view). Let's call him Okabe 4 from now. Okabe 4 goes to the past, fails to save Kurisu, stabs her, Okabe 1 hears his scream, and sends a D-Mail accidentally, Okabe 1 goes to Alpha. From now, let's call him Okabe 5.

13. Events of Steins;Gate (with the exception that Okabe 5 didn't get the D-Mail from 2025 in the beginning). Now there is the IBN in the shrine, because Suzuha in the previous Alpha iteration obtained it. Okabe 5 succesfully escapes from Alpha and goes back to Beta.

14. Okabe 5 arrives to Beta (technically replacing the previous Okabe 1 or 2), Kurisu is dead. Suzuha is on the roof (because she was already there in the previous iteration too). Suzuha calls Okabe 5. Okabe 5 goes to the past, fails to save Kurisu (again), stabs her (again), but now, he travels back to the future, before Okabe 1 could send the D-Mail accidentally.

15. Okabe 5 is devastated, he gaves up to save Kurisu. Events of Steins;Gate 0 (VN+anime) begin here

16. After an uncountable iterations of Steins;Gate 0, Okabe N (the Okabe we follow in the Steins;Gate 0 anime) records the Operation Skuld D-Mail. He disappears from 2025. Lukako sends the D-Mail to 2010, it changes nothing in itself. Suzuha N grows up, and from 2036, she travels to 2010 to help Okabe N reaching Steins Gate.

17. Suzuha N is on the roof in 2010, Okabe N just came back from Alpha. Suzuha N calls Okabe N. Let's call him Okabe N+1 from now. Okabe N+1 goes to the past to save Kurisu.

18. Events of Steins;Gate Episode 1 begin here! July 28th, Okabe N visits Nakabachi's presentation. Okabe N+1's time machine lands on the roof. Okabe N receives the D-Mail from 2025, he can't watch it. Let's call him Okabe N+2 from now! Okabe N+1 accidentally kills Kurisu. Okabe N+2 hears his scream, saw Kurisu, and sends a D-Mail. Okabe N+2 goes to Alpha.

19. Events of Steins;Gate with the true end (as we saw it in the VN, and in the anime)

So, in Steins;Gate, we follow the perspective of Okabe N->N+2
In Steins;Gate 0 VN, we follow the perspective of some (7) Okabes somewhere between 5 and N.
In Steins;Gate 0 anime, we follow the perspective of Okabe N.
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Thanks for a detailed response! The story is much more clear to me now.

SheevPalpatine said:

It is more complicated. Yes, in the beginning of the story the IBN was in the shrine, because Suzuha obtained it in 1975. But that Suzuha, who obtained the IBN first wasn't the Suzuha which we saw in the anime. It was a Suzuha from a previous Alpha worldline iteration.


Still, it puzzles me that by the time Suzuha arrived in 2010 her mission had already been complete by Suzuha from the previous time iteration. This makes her current mission meaningless. She couldn't have known that right? Otherwise she wouldn't have come.

UPD: come to think of it, may be her presence in 2010 is necessary for the only purpose to hit Moeka during the attack to let Okabe leap? Because she has no other purpose other than that. This makes things completely different.

 
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I have another question, could you help me figure this out:

2. What reason lies in formation of attractor fields? By this I mean, for what reason does Mayuri have to die in Alpha? She's a random little girl among other 7 billion people. It's not a great event like Gulf War, Y2K or collapse of USSR that could lead to drastic changes in history as Suzuha said. Same question for Kurisu.

Are their deaths connected with Okabe's feelings and his willingnes to save the future or what? Like he said that he doesn't care about 7 bil population but would do anything to save them
 
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Roflan said:

Still, it puzzles me that by the time Suzuha arrived in 2010 her mission had already been complete by Suzuha from the previous time iteration. This makes her current mission meaningless. She couldn't have known that right? Otherwise she wouldn't have come.


She didn't know it. How could she know it? Only Okabe has Reading Steiner, so only he can remember the previous worldlines, but he dies in 2025. Suzuha from the future barely met him. Suzuha literally knows nothing, when she departs in 2036.

Roflan said:

2. What reason lies in formation of attractor fields? By this I mean, for what reason does Mayuri have to die in Alpha? She's a random little girl among other 7 billion people. It's not a great event like Gulf War, Y2K or collapse of USSR that could lead to drastic changes in history as Suzuha said. Same question for Kurisu.


Mayuri's death is the reason that Okabe found the resistance against SERN.

Kurisu's death was not a convergence, as it turned out. The convergence was that Okabe sees Kurisu in pool of blood.
 
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masterpiece, is among my top 10 favorites of all the anime <3
 
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I have a few questions! Baring in mind I've only seen the base anime and ova (if my questions answered in 0 or the movie, just say so without spoilers :D) - Apologies if any of these are me being stupid.

1. Who sent Okabe that severed head picture back in the earlier episodes?

2. Initially when he used the time leap machine it was said he could only go back a few days due to how your mind changes - However it seems he went back further than a few days on several ocassions when trying to prevent Mayuri's death,and especially after undo-ing the d-mails.... or am I wrong here?

3. So Okabe accidently sending the first d-mail is what moves him from beta > alpha. What specifically about this is what makes him move from beta > alpha? Is it because its the first time altering event, or is it due to SERN somehow knowing? I know deleting the entry in SERNS database gets him back to beta, but hows that relate to the first d-mail?

4. At the end of 23 when he's giving out pins, at what point in time is this? After the three weeks since the first d-mail, or just after the first d-mail? (Different worldline from the d-mail ones I know, but more point in time)

5. Following on from q4, if its 3 weeks since first d-mail, has Christina been looking for him to thank him for saving her for 3 whole weeks?

Thats all I can think of so far, apologies if I'm being a bit thick! Ha
 
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Reagus said:
I have a few questions! Baring in mind I've only seen the base anime and ova (if my questions answered in 0 or the movie, just say so without spoilers :D) - Apologies if any of these are me being stupid.

1. Who sent Okabe that severed head picture back in the earlier episodes?

2. Initially when he used the time leap machine it was said he could only go back a few days due to how your mind changes - However it seems he went back further than a few days on several ocassions when trying to prevent Mayuri's death,and especially after undo-ing the d-mails.... or am I wrong here?

3. So Okabe accidently sending the first d-mail is what moves him from beta > alpha. What specifically about this is what makes him move from beta > alpha? Is it because its the first time altering event, or is it due to SERN somehow knowing? I know deleting the entry in SERNS database gets him back to beta, but hows that relate to the first d-mail?

4. At the end of 23 when he's giving out pins, at what point in time is this? After the three weeks since the first d-mail, or just after the first d-mail? (Different worldline from the d-mail ones I know, but more point in time)

5. Following on from q4, if its 3 weeks since first d-mail, has Christina been looking for him to thank him for saving her for 3 whole weeks?

Thats all I can think of so far, apologies if I'm being a bit thick! Ha


1. Moeka
2. He can travel 2 days. But this means, he can travel from 17th August to 15th August. But since the time leap machine exists on 15th August too, he can do another time leap from 15th to 13th. He can do another leap from 13th to 11th. That's how he leaps more than 2 days. He has to do it one-by-one. But he can do it until the machine exists. It is not exists on 11th, so can't leap any further.
3. SERN's Echelon notices his first D-Mail, which cause SERN will lead in the time machine race. SERN leading in the time machine race cause shift to Alpha. In Beta, SERN can't has the lead in the race.
4. Events of Ep23 happens on 21st August. Events of Episode 1 happens on 28th July (they show the dates many times, btw...)
5. Yes, on the Steins Gate worldline, she is looking for him. On the Beta worldline, she is not, because she is dead :(
 
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Reagus said:
I have a few questions! Baring in mind I've only seen the base anime and ova (if my questions answered in 0 or the movie, just say so without spoilers :D) - Apologies if any of these are me being stupid.

1. Who sent Okabe that severed head picture back in the earlier episodes?

2. Initially when he used the time leap machine it was said he could only go back a few days due to how your mind changes - However it seems he went back further than a few days on several ocassions when trying to prevent Mayuri's death,and especially after undo-ing the d-mails.... or am I wrong here?

3. So Okabe accidently sending the first d-mail is what moves him from beta > alpha. What specifically about this is what makes him move from beta > alpha? Is it because its the first time altering event, or is it due to SERN somehow knowing? I know deleting the entry in SERNS database gets him back to beta, but hows that relate to the first d-mail?

4. At the end of 23 when he's giving out pins, at what point in time is this? After the three weeks since the first d-mail, or just after the first d-mail? (Different worldline from the d-mail ones I know, but more point in time)

5. Following on from q4, if its 3 weeks since first d-mail, has Christina been looking for him to thank him for saving her for 3 whole weeks?

Thats all I can think of so far, apologies if I'm being a bit thick! Ha


1. Moeka
2. He can travel 2 days. But this means, he can travel from 17th August to 15th August. But since the time leap machine exists on 15th August too, he can do another time leap from 15th to 13th. He can do another leap from 13th to 11th. That's how he leaps more than 2 days. He has to do it one-by-one.
3. SERN's Echelon notices his first D-Mail, which cause SERN will lead in the time machine race. SERN leading in the time machine race cause shift to Alpha. In Beta, SERN can't has the lead in the race.
4. Events of Ep23 happens on 21st August. Events of Episode 1 happens on 28th July (they show the dates many times, btw...)
5. Yes, on the Steins Gate worldline, she is looking for him. On the Beta worldline, she is not, because she is dead :(
Perfect, thanks for the response! Means a lot! :) It didn't help that I got to the episode where Mayuri gets hit by the car saving Okabe, and then didn't want it to end so had a few months break, so had to try recall a lot from memory :D

See I kept seeing the dates, but its on the screen and off again so quick I found it hard to see! (Or perhaps I just need glasses lol)

So post-ova, would you say the movie and 0 adds a lot to make the base *that* more interesting? I'm really interested in learning as much as I can, but don't want the movie and 0 to have some sort of negative perception on the original if its not as good, or full of plot holes or something.
 
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Reagus said:
SheevPalpatine said:


1. Moeka
2. He can travel 2 days. But this means, he can travel from 17th August to 15th August. But since the time leap machine exists on 15th August too, he can do another time leap from 15th to 13th. He can do another leap from 13th to 11th. That's how he leaps more than 2 days. He has to do it one-by-one.
3. SERN's Echelon notices his first D-Mail, which cause SERN will lead in the time machine race. SERN leading in the time machine race cause shift to Alpha. In Beta, SERN can't has the lead in the race.
4. Events of Ep23 happens on 21st August. Events of Episode 1 happens on 28th July (they show the dates many times, btw...)
5. Yes, on the Steins Gate worldline, she is looking for him. On the Beta worldline, she is not, because she is dead :(
Perfect, thanks for the response! Means a lot! :) It didn't help that I got to the episode where Mayuri gets hit by the car saving Okabe, and then didn't want it to end so had a few months break, so had to try recall a lot from memory :D

See I kept seeing the dates, but its on the screen and off again so quick I found it hard to see! (Or perhaps I just need glasses lol)

So post-ova, would you say the movie and 0 adds a lot to make the base *that* more interesting? I'm really interested in learning as much as I can, but don't want the movie and 0 to have some sort of negative perception on the original if its not as good, or full of plot holes or something.


Steins;Gate 0 is the story of the future Okabe who couldn't save Kurisu. He was the one, who sent the video message back. It is worth to watch, but it is not as good as the original (while it is not bad, I think). It has no plotholes. If you want to watch it, you should watch Episode 23beta before it: https://myanimelist.net/anime/32188/Steins_Gate__Kyoukaimenjou_no_Missing_Link_-_Divide_By_Zero

The movie is not canon, because it breaks some established time travel rules, but if you watch it as some fanfiction, then it is a fine movie (but don't search the logic in it).
 
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Kurisu's father had the best face expression.

So FB and Moeka never worked with SERN on this worldline.

Feel's Gate being opeend at the end.

So the worst scenario didn't happen, on the contrary the best scenario happened. If you think about what happened to the other worldline is kinda sad though.
 
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Kish0 said:

So FB and Moeka never worked with SERN on this worldline.


Minor spoilers from Steins;Gate 0:



Kish0 said:

If you think about what happened to the other worldline is kinda sad though


Only 1 worldline exists at a given time, there are no parallel worldlines where those sad things are still happening. If you change worldlines, the current worldline become inactive, and a new worldline will be created. So nothing happens on those inactive worldlines anymore. There are no other Okabes, Kurisus, Mayuris, etc... Only those who are in the current worldline.
 
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Kish0 said:

If you think about what happened to the other worldline is kinda sad though


SheevPalpatine said:

Only 1 worldline exists at a given time, there are no parallel worldlines where those sad things are still happening. If you change worldlines, the current worldline become inactive, and a new worldline will be created. So nothing happens on those inactive worldlines anymore. There are no other Okabes, Kurisus, Mayuris, etc... Only those who are in the current worldline.


So this is really the final good ending. Though I think normal accident can still happen to Kurisu or Mayuri.
 
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Kish0 said:
Kish0 said:

If you think about what happened to the other worldline is kinda sad though


SheevPalpatine said:

Only 1 worldline exists at a given time, there are no parallel worldlines where those sad things are still happening. If you change worldlines, the current worldline become inactive, and a new worldline will be created. So nothing happens on those inactive worldlines anymore. There are no other Okabes, Kurisus, Mayuris, etc... Only those who are in the current worldline.


So this is really the final good ending. Though I think normal accident can still happen to Kurisu or Mayuri.


"No one knows, what the future holds, the possibilities are endless"
 
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I don't understand one thing. How is this the same kurisu old okabe in the first episode saw if in that episode Mayuri got the metal oopa instead of the green oopa
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Kkjxvdggxc said:
I don't understand one thing. How is this the same kurisu old okabe in the first episode saw if in that episode Mayuri got the metal oopa instead of the green oopa


Hm? I don't really understand your question, can you explain me more?

But I'll try to answer:
Episode 1 takes place on a different worldline than Episode 23, and than Episode 24.
The Okabe who killed Kurisu in Episode 23 is not the Okabe who killed Kurisu in Episode 1. That's an Okabe of a previous Beta Worldline iteration. He is basically the Okabe of Steins;Gate 0
And of course, Episode 1 can't be the same WL as Episode 24, since in Episode 1, Mayuri got the metal upa, in Episode 24 she got the green plastic upa. Episode 1's Kurisu is not Episode 24's Kurisu. Episode 1's Kurisu died, Episode 24's Kurisu survived.
 
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It's... it's over. Steins;Gate is over.

All I have to say is...

https://giphy.com/gifs/not-shia-unison-HjheuybfwDGnu
 
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