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Jul 4, 2008 12:27 PM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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You know, it was bad enough that they inexplicably brought back the ridiculously-named Four, but to kill her off again!? Newtypes just cant catch a break, can they?
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May 14, 2009 7:25 PM

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It's a ridiculous name, but at least there's a reason behind it (She's the fourth subject at the Murasume Newtype lab), unlike some of the other names in the series.

 
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Oct 19, 2009 9:21 PM

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It may be a ridiculous name for people who talk english, but to the japanese ear, maybe it doesn't sound that ridiculous, maybe you don't know it but, "Quattro" actually means Four in Portuguese, I guess it doesn't sound ridiculous cos you're not hearing a number, you're just hearing a strange name. To the japanese ear Four is just a strange name.

I liked her character, this episode was sad.
 
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Jan 15, 2010 11:44 PM

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so goes four again, and it seems char is going to have to own up to being char
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Aug 4, 2010 7:31 AM

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Why did they kill of Four again? It was heartwrecking to see how Kamille hugged her at the end...
 
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Aug 22, 2010 11:03 PM

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Man, what a kickass kick the the face by Kamille.

And then what a kick to Kamille's face.
They bring her back just to kill her again.
So not cool.
 
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Veethorn said:
It may be a ridiculous name for people who talk english, but to the japanese ear, maybe it doesn't sound that ridiculous, maybe you don't know it but, "Quattro" actually means Four in Portuguese, I guess it doesn't sound ridiculous cos you're not hearing a number, you're just hearing a strange name. To the japanese ear Four is just a strange name.


Yeah, to me even Quattro sounds ridiculous since I can speak spanish (quatro, same pronunciation), but I understand that it might not be so silly to a Japanese. It'd be like someone named "arba’a". Surprise, it means 4 in arabic!
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Jun 9, 2011 11:05 AM

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Four? I liked her better when she was called Lalah Sune
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Man, Jerid just pops up everywhere, doesn't he?

Due to the writers capabilities, I figured either Four or Fa would have to die. And then I betted on the later since they already pulled the same developments with Lalah. Not only I guessed it right, but I did it twice.
 
Nov 27, 2011 1:26 PM

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Four's death was expected
 
Aug 10, 2012 8:33 PM

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Kamille telling Char that he had to own up to being Char seemed to come out of nowhere and make no sense to me. There were plenty of other times where it could have made more sense, but it just felt completely out of place in the final scene.
 
May 8, 2013 11:50 AM
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Geez, this episode solidified my disappointment: Zeta Gundam is a typically soap opera but set in space. Some of you may question why it took me this long to realize it, but hey, at least I finally did.

Forced drama and characterization in the second half, while I thought the first half did a very good job at creating an atmosphere of subtle suspense and intrigue: that seems to be the trend I've noticed for the many other stories I found disappointing.

Veethorn said:
It may be a ridiculous name for people who talk english, but to the japanese ear, maybe it doesn't sound that ridiculous, maybe you don't know it but, "Quattro" actually means Four in Portuguese, I guess it doesn't sound ridiculous cos you're not hearing a number, you're just hearing a strange name. To the japanese ear Four is just a strange name.

Yeah, once I knew the jumbled mess that is the English language, I've been more lenient on the oddities of language in general. Four or Quattro is no less a strange name to me than Lily, Sakura, Summer, Crystal, Grit, Kasumi, Misty... Hell, name someone Country or Kuni and I wouldn't be surprised as Quoc is a fairly popular Vietnamese name that means just that.

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Kamille telling Char that he had to own up to being Char seemed to come out of nowhere and make no sense to me. There were plenty of other times where it could have made more sense, but it just felt completely out of place in the final scene.

^This.
 
Dec 9, 2013 11:40 PM

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That was pretty good kick Kamille! Jerid just went flying. xD Jerid killed Kamille's mother and nowhe killed Four. Kamille is going to kill him very slowly and painfully if possible. :)
 
Jan 4, 2014 12:09 PM

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That was awesome. Four's death was expected but necessary to start the end of the series.
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Jan 20, 2014 2:16 AM

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NOOOOOOO FOUR!... again...
 
Feb 5, 2014 11:38 AM

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Four's death was not unexpected.
Kamillle is such a frustrating character. He has his moments but his still bratty, reckless, and annoying.
It's painful that Amuro and Chat have to deal with a character like that.
 
Mar 6, 2014 1:08 PM

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This episode (and the some of the last) was completely pointless. What's the point of bringing back a character only to kill them again while not adding anything of interest to her character? All this episode did was retread the same old crap they did before AND in MSG. Was it really necessary for Four to become Lalah 2.0 for no reason? If so, why can't this show be about Amuro and Char again?

Plus, will this show kill off Jerid already? He's so pathetic that it's embarrassing to watch him.

On a good note, we need more people bitch slapping Kamille. Four's "Bitch move" slap was the best scene I've seen in Zeta in a long time.

Tralan said:
Kamille telling Char that he had to own up to being Char seemed to come out of nowhere and make no sense to me. There were plenty of other times where it could have made more sense, but it just felt completely out of place in the final scene.


This x2.
 
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I like how Jerid keeps on trying to kill Kamille, but never succeeds. xD

This time Kamille kicked him off the cliff.

Meh, Four's death didn't really touch me.

I find it silly how easy it is to infiltrate to a top secret Titan research lab. Just wear a Titan coat and you have a free pass.
 
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Tralan said:
Kamille telling Char that he had to own up to being Char seemed to come out of nowhere and make no sense to me. There were plenty of other times where it could have made more sense, but it just felt completely out of place in the final scene.


This x3

Can't understand it for the life of me.
 
Jul 8, 2014 5:20 PM

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Another Tragic episode :(

Woo at least they showed Four's naked body :)

She's soo beautiful!

It seems drugs are suppressing the pain inside her head. Of course the Four character archetype will be used by future Gundam series like Seed's Stella and 00's Louise.

Damn Jerid is pissed for not only who lost two lovers(Milla Rira and Mouar), so of course he wants some revenge.

To be honest i actually thought they would pull a Gundam Seed Destiny on this one since



Seems Four can actually put mental pressure on other Newtypes like Char. So She is a Cyber-Newtype, genetically engineered to surpass real Newtypes.

I do not like how they reintroduce Four in the last episode, only to be get killed in the next one. Wtf Tomino-san!?!

I do agree that Four became Lalah 2.0. Underdeveloped and killed instantly. Seriously i was hoping they would expand her story, how she grew up and ended with titans.

Even Lalah upon first time showing her felt like she was gonna be something special, but get's killed by Amuro out of nowhere.

Char warned Kamille about this, but he never listened. Kamille has to learn it the hard way :

Seems Amuro feared the worst. History repeats itself. Only thing people can do is to learn it and try not to make it again as possible.

And yeah Kamille saying he's gonna call him Char from now on kinda doesn't make any sense. It's not like Char showed him that he's back on his usual self.

Oh well i do feel the lost of Four though. Let's hope Kamille actually learns something here and move on forward.

Can't wait for the next episode though!!
 
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Tralan said:
Kamille telling Char that he had to own up to being Char seemed to come out of nowhere and make no sense to me. There were plenty of other times where it could have made more sense, but it just felt completely out of place in the final scene.


This x4. He could've literally said that any other time. Just... Why the fuck now?

Also, did Four just fucking die again? And in the exact same trippy, stupid ass manner as a certain underdevelopped Newtype woman from 0079? Good Lord.
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Tralan said:
Kamille telling Char that he had to own up to being Char seemed to come out of nowhere and make no sense to me. There were plenty of other times where it could have made more sense, but it just felt completely out of place in the final scene.

This x5

In the end Four was just a copy of Lalah... and I now that they will create a clone of Four (Stella)... and from what I've heard there are more like her...

Originality is not one of the strong points of this franchise.
 
Nov 16, 2015 9:57 AM
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Four's death was expected,but goddamnit it should've been Fa instead.
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Tralan said:
Kamille telling Char that he had to own up to being Char seemed to come out of nowhere and make no sense to me. There were plenty of other times where it could have made more sense, but it just felt completely out of place in the final scene.
This x5

 
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I thought Kamille saying he would call him Char was down to the fact that Char took some very pragmatic actions in these fights and encouraged Kamille to actively attack the woman he loved because it was war. Kamille saw that as a betrayal of the "father figure" he'd built Quattro up to be.
 
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So predictable -_- I would have liked a change on the Lalah's schema, where the NT girl survives.
I see everyone complains and says Lalah's case was already not good. So it makes sense I loved this "variation" since I liked the original (from The Origin and movies trilogy). Plus it is interessant for the reactions it triggers in Amuro and Char.
Even if it was "childish", "annoying", etc... I am glad Kamille never losed his will to save her. What would the opposite make him look like, seriously? I'm sure he would have been the target of as much criticism.
My appreciation of Jerid as a person is even lower than before. His persistence is one of the causes here.
"I will be able to see you whenever I want." Oh... how disappointing, she doesn't see the time like Lalah.

I was also impressed when I saw this psychic attack on Char.
I forgot, but how the hell did Four land away from her robot when only the head was severed? o_o

5/5


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I thought Kamille saying he would call him Char was down to the fact that Char took some very pragmatic actions in these fights and encouraged Kamille to actively attack the woman he loved because it was war. Kamille saw that as a betrayal of the "father figure" he'd built Quattro up to be.

"This x6"
Camille might also see the need of having a big leader like Casval Deikun / Char Aznable in order to stop the war, after he suffered again a human loss.
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A major step forward was, though it seems, I wonder if you truly Four has left us this time, since his possible departure, it was possible. Jerid seems not to want to die, damn! Good episode.
 
Nov 27, 2016 5:14 PM

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Very good but very sad episode
Four :(
 
Mar 2, 2017 8:28 AM

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A lot sure happened in this episode, that ending sure was intense and sad :/ pretty great episode nonetheless!
 
Mar 5, 2017 7:38 AM

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Man, Jerid has some serious dedication, hunting them down on a snowy mountain with that crutch...just to get kicked in the face. Also this episode is like a Bond movie on speed.
 
Feb 3, 2018 1:59 PM

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I have to ask, why in the blue moon did author bring back Four if she was gonna bite the dust again??? I said this because the first time it was for a good cause (getting MC into space) and this time not only did this decision to bring her back negated her sacrifice it also diminish her as a character because the first time she died she was a better person (decided to move on) the second time she was a broken doll *Sigh*
 
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This episode has some really good moments hidden by how stupid it all was. Jerid was a walking plot device who appeared wherever it was most inconvenient in spite of his injuries. Four has superhuman strength by being able to lift Kamille with one hand, she teleports out of the Psycho Gundam somehow once it lost its head, and even though her gundam was destroyed in a manner that caused no damage to the pilot, she somehow dies of what I'm assuming is a broken heart.

Amuro Ray Kill Count:
0 kills this episode
6 kills this war
83 kills total

Kamille Bidan Kill Count:
0 Kills this episode
45 Kills total
 
Aug 19, 2018 6:41 AM

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Poor Jerid, Kamille kills both women he's loved and then he gets thrown off a cliff.
 
Nov 4, 2018 4:32 PM

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I don't mind that it was a predictable outcome, but this episode could've been way better.
Kokoro did nothing wrong.

 
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Rei366 said:

theGreenDeath said:
I thought Kamille saying he would call him Char was down to the fact that Char took some very pragmatic actions in these fights and encouraged Kamille to actively attack the woman he loved because it was war. Kamille saw that as a betrayal of the "father figure" he'd built Quattro up to be.

"This x6"
Camille might also see the need of having a big leader like Casval Deikun / Char Aznable in order to stop the war, after he suffered again a human loss.


This x7
Just.. why now ? Wtf ?
 
Dec 10, 2018 8:46 PM
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Fours death was such a throwback to 0079 MSG. In the original, Amuro killed Lalah, and now in this Jerid kills Kamilles love interest. New types are so unlucky. I feel like all newtypes are going to be met with demise. Char definitely felt Kamilles pain, especially since Char lost his very own New Type love interest in 0079 MSG.
 
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