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| Dammit this is so depressing. ;_; The most emotional Mayuri death so far and then her talking about everything she has dreamt of. I really hope Kurisu won't go and try to change the world line on her own, but it doesn't look good in the end! |
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| ROFL... everyone says the ep was tragic and emotional, though I feel uneasy how they'll give us a proper ending with only 3 eps left. Yeah, the ep was great as always due to its exceptional flashbacks with Mayuri and Okabe, but I really hope they don't screw this up with a rushed ending. |
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| My only thought now is, what happens next? |
| If Kurisu worked for SERN she could build working time machine for them for not killing Mayuri and others. Then Okabe will create resistance movement, Daru will make Suzuha and story go back to the beginning. THE END - "Endless 8". |
xMilky said: It's really confusing, in the first episode the person at the rooftop is Suzuha right? but that was in the beta world line, why would Suzuha be there, she never had any grudges against kurisu then... anyone mind clarifying this for me? Who said the beta world was a dystopian-free world? |
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| Really touching indeed. I wonder what Kurisu will do next... |
| this episode made me cry...;_;... I wonder what will okarin do in the next episode...or maybe kurisu will do something about this situation? 3 more episode >< |
"Miracles isn't something that just happen. You have to make it happen" |
| So if Mayushii remembers her deaths as dreams, why did she tell her granny that they have a lot of new members in lab? If they undid the d-mails, Feyris, Moeka and Rukako shouldn't be lab members and Suzuha died a long time ago so she shouldn't either. But Mayushii clearly said they got a lot of new members lately. |
| レッツゴー ED イケイケゴーゴー |
| Is it just me or did nothing get resolved/revealed in this episode? |
OrochiPL said: So if Mayushii remembers her deaths as dreams, why did she tell her granny that they have a lot of new members in lab? If they undid the d-mails, Feyris, Moeka and Rukako shouldn't be lab members and Suzuha died a long time ago so she shouldn't either. But Mayushii clearly said they got a lot of new members lately. We've seen this happen before with Moeka. She was still a Lab Member even though she had no reason to be there according to what we knew. We initially saw her become a lab member in order to see the IBN, but even when it went missing after sending a D-mail she was still a lab member based on what Mayuri said back then. The simplest explanation would be that Ruka, Moeka, Feyris, and Suzuha still ended up being lab members. The events that lead to them joining may not be the same as the events when we first saw them join...bu they still end up being lab members, nonetheless. How do you know Suzuha died a long time ago? For one, it could have been that she just left after not being able to find her dad at the offline-meeting (like she mentioned before). That would mean she was still known at the time, but of course, she had to part ways. Besides, even if Suzuha died a long time ago, that was after she used her time leap machine. She was still known and was a lab member at this point (well, maybe everyone except Moeka). |
RezurrektAug 24, 2011 7:50 AM
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hikaricore said: Kurisi is destined to die at beta at that time.If Suzuha manage to kill her in the beta line, Okarin's reading Steiner should activate. It is illogical for Suzuha to hate Kurisi in beta worldline.Suzuha maybe just come to find his dad.2. At no point did the anime ever state that she didn't have a grudge against Kurisu in Beta. In fact I still believe that she killed her and that Kurisu is a future leader of SERN in the worldline. OrochiPL said: its part of her dream why did she tell her granny that they have a lot of new members in lab? Dusk252 said: the question that I been asking for a very long time...I only have one thing bothering me so far: how would erase the D-mail from SERN's database in the present change anything? I mean, it's not like everyone would just forget about it right? So how can that change the worldline? http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=314649&show=174 |
| The grave scene was really emotional. And I'm getting more curious about Okabe's past. |
| See, Okarin? You can't even die yourself in order to change Mayuri's fate. Anyway, we're getting pretty damn close to the conclusion, and I'm so looking forward to it. Jean_Claymore said: The weeks will suddenly feel very empty. Well, at least when it comes to anime.Argh.. 3eps left. Jeez, I wonder if I'll be able to replace other series when S;G ends. |
| Protip: I don't really check the forums anymore, so if you want something, take it on my profile. Is it time for my long-awaited return to the forums? щ(ﾟДﾟщ) Nope™, probably not. |
StormViruz said: Okabe has no past, he was only a childhood friend w/ Mayuri.The grave scene was really emotional. And I'm getting more curious about Okabe's past. Mayuri define who Okabe is. The mad scientist personality was created to protect Mayuri from disappearing. :p |
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LadyOrihime said: IMO it leads to chapter 10. Kansokusha said: No problemo. I got the title of episode 23. |
Yumekichi11Aug 24, 2011 1:06 PM
Yumekichi11 said: sigh...One of the reason I hate fate is that once your death is reveal, you won't die until the time is right.Okabe's death is determined at 2025.I can’t believe how stupid can Okabe be by thinking of killing himself will solve sweet fuck all. No matter how hard Okabe try to save Mayuri from death,Mayuri will die when the time comes Here is a similar sentence. No matter how hard Okabe try to kill himself, Okabe won't die until the determined date of his death comes. |
RedMage23 said: Okabe's identity crisis made me cry more than anything, although I cried pretty much through the whole episode. Man, it was intense. Yea my eyes are so dry now after i cried. I can't read all this forums lol. This is a really sad episode, but nothing really happen...i hope they can finish the ending without rushing. |
MorningGlory said: Hence why that was a very stupid move of him but judging by his mental state it was inevitable to say the least. Yumekichi11 said: sigh...One of the reason I hate fate is that once your death is reveal, you won't die until the time is right.Okabe's death is determined at 2025.I can’t believe how stupid can Okabe be by thinking of killing himself will solve sweet fuck all. No matter how hard Okabe try to save Mayuri from death,Mayuri will die when the time comes Here is a similar sentence. No matter how hard Okabe try to kill himself, Okabe won't die until the determined date of his death comes. I should have mentioned this but IMO this is all some revenge from the God of Saturn whom the planet itself is constantly reminded to us by that calendar. That God got pissed off from Okabe playing around with time/space whom that God I assume totally feels that he/she should only be able to play around with that. Hence Mayuri's curse, which by the way the God of Saturn is believed to master around too as a element. Hence the curse on Mayuri, whom is precious to Okabe and that justifies why as a reason. BTW God can use other humans as means to execute their vengeance so the whole SERN dilemma can stem from this. This largely assuming and perhaps religious exaggerating but then again it may not be far off that it could be possible aside from that have we been shown. Just another though that occurred to me and no one though about it TBH. |
Yumekichi11 said: For this and for the saturn thing, you're just overthinking things.. lol |
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kaimax said: So it was a lie but that is impossible because the VN says it happens. Like that person comes and does what he/she wants to do.Yumekichi11 said: For this kaimax said: Well it's interesting religious point considering we are bombarded by that calendar when it appears with the only planetary reference that makes sense in all this theme of time/space travel. Hence why I think like that.and for the saturn thing, you're just overthinking things.. lol |
| Crazy theory. What if Kurisu actually kills herself? No i don't mean sacrificing herself for Mayuri but deciding to transport her Alpha line self to beta line and kill herself there so she can keep going as the Kurisu of Beta? |
| Being Okarin is suffering. That fucking hurt. |
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Yumekichi11 said: kaimax said: So it was a lie but that is impossible because the VN says it happens. Like that person comes and does what he/she wants to do.Yumekichi11 said: For this Here's the Problem |
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| All this speculation is starting to confuse me. Has the preview for Episode 22 been posted yet? vansonbee said: Mayuri define who Okabe is. The mad scientist personality was created to protect Mayuri from disappearing. :p Sounds silly, but it's sort of true. This is why I strongly support the Mayushii x Okarin pairing. They belong together. Well, at least Mayuri and Kyouma do. |
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Linkfan001 said: InterNetCasaNova said: Hmmm I think I have everything figured out and If I'm right neither Kurisu nor Mayuri will die. I'm usually right when I take guesses so *click at your own discretion* ur post make sense! it's all clear now but... that ending with kurisu gave me a bad feeling O_O' It does not. If they return to the first timeline then Kurisu will die by any means possible and it will not be possible to escape that. This post suggest that Suzu is the one that kill Kurisu the same way Moeka killed Mayuri back in time. Yet we saw that even if we remove the source of the death (Suzu killing Kurisu ; Moeka killing Mayuri) the person in question will still die in another way and if we also remove that source then she will die in yet another way and it unfold infinitely. The only way to escape this problem is to move to a different worldline and even if he manage to do it then it could have huge repercusion on the future and someone else he hold dear could die instead of Kurisi and Mayuri. Also I am afraid that Kurisu will start to break down soon and unlike many people I do not imagine someone of her intellect to chose to sacrifice herself for Mayuri. Instead she will probably try to find a way for the two of them to survive in her own way and will probably go wrong somewhere along the way and start to develop extremist method which will lead to the future where Suzu come from. |
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| If the ending is done well, this anime has a shot at taking over the top spot on my favorite anime list. The episodes have just gotten better and better as the story progresses. I'm really loving me some Steins Gate!! Can't wait for next week's episode! |
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| Found next week's preview (turns out it was on the same YouTube channel as all the others, derp). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84LVc2PNwuk Although that Dr Pepper at the end put me on the verge of orgasm, tears, and death simultaneously, it seems like it's gonna be another "boring" episode. I was hoping for more intensity this late in the series, but I doubt it will disappoint. |
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RedMage23 said: I guess more patching and reconciliation with Makise? The Dr.Pepper does ensue something bad happening to Makise or a sense of five up. Remember that we are talking about a drink that Makise loves and if it shown like that then it could just mean something bad. Hard to explain for me but I just sense that.Although that Dr Pepper at the end put me on the verge of orgasm, tears, and death simultaneously, it seems like it's gonna be another "boring" episode. I was hoping for more intensity this late in the series, but I doubt it will disappoint. |
RedMage23 said: Episode 22 = it seems like it's gonna be another "boring" episode. I was hoping for more intensity this late in the series, but I doubt it will disappoint. It's honestly going to be the most romance driven episode... lol Both the Mayuri End and Kurisu End is more on the romance/emotional path, jusdging by the preview it's going to go straight to Kurisu End. so then we will get episode 23 and 24 for the True End. Prepare tissues. |
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Yumekichi11 said: I guess more patching and reconciliation with Makise? The Dr.Pepper does ensue something bad happening to Makise or a sense of five up. Remember that we are talking about a drink that Makise loves and if it shown like that then it could just mean something bad. Hard to explain for me but I just sense that. I agree. I think episode 22 will basically be for Makise fans what they wanted from 21. We can make some inferences about episode 23 from its name, but episode 24 is still a mystery to everyone... |
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Yumekichi11 said: IMO it leads to chapter 10. No, you misunderstood me: Episode titles (along will small non-spoilery summaries) are listed here to back-up what I said: http://anime.webnt.jp/programs/view/31 ....and a lot of Japanese blogs say the same thing. The only episode that doesn't have a title or summary is 24. |
LadyOrihimeAug 24, 2011 9:00 PM
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kaimax said: Ah well something like that to elude me, yeah that is a problem indeed well Okabe can always send a D-Mail warning her not to go there maybe? Will that make the divergence worse?Yumekichi11 said: kaimax said: So it was a lie but that is impossible because the VN says it happens. Like that person comes and does what he/she wants to do.Yumekichi11 said: For this Here's the Problem LadyOrihime said: Oh shit! They are going for it then, well it looks that it will end well for Makise people then. Ah shit maybe they might not putYumekichi11 said: IMO it leads to chapter 10. No, you misunderstood me: Episode titles (along will small non-spoilery summaries) are listed here to back-up what I said: http://anime.webnt.jp/programs/view/31 ....and a lot of Japanese blogs say the same thing. The only episode that doesn't have a title or summary is 24. |
Yumekichi11Aug 24, 2011 10:27 PM
| Well, that was an emotional episode but If I were really him, no doubt I won't go back to alpha line. It maybe suffering at first but at least za zombie is there. |
| Messages from someone. 《00*》岡部倫太郎が最初にＤメールを送ったあの世界線は、ダイバージェンス1.130426％だったことを確認している。…誰が確認したか、だと？ それについては、そうだな…禁則事項ということにでもしておいてくれ。 Twitter / @FutureGadgetLab 《00*》 The world line where Rintaro Okabe sent the first D-mail has been confirmed that the divergence number was 1.130426%... Who observed it? You asking? Hmm, well... That's classified. Understand so. 《00*》ダイバージェンス値は、１％を境にして大きく分岐する。１％未満ならばアトラクタフィールドα。１％以上ならばアトラクタフィールドβ。アトラクタフィールドαでは、未来においてＳＥＲＮによるディストピアが形成される。それを回避せよと主張したのが、ジョン・タイターだった。 Twitter / @FutureGadgetLab 《00*》 Divergence number departs significantly from the boundary around 1%. The divergence less than 1% leads to the attractor field alpha. The divergence more than 1% leads to the attractor field beta. With the attractor field alpha, SERN forms dystopia in the future. It was John Titer who warned to avoid such consequence. I'm not sure my translation is correct... Tweets from Future Gadget Labo. 《001》 Hououin Kyouma, 《002》 Mayuri Shiina, 《003》 Itaru Hashida, 《004》 Kurisu Makise 《00*》 ??? |
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Dusk252 said: ya,kinda think of it,maybe you are right.To become a lab member, the person must an intention to use D-mail to change his/her past.So the moment they use D-mail, the world line will reconstruct and he/she will loss its intention to use the D-mail, but when Okabe resent a D-mail to undo the last D-mail. They regain their intention to want to send the D-mail again, but they end up just sending a fail D-mail because Okabe undo the last D-mail send in the past. MorningGlory said: OrochiPL said: its part of her dreamwhy did she tell her granny that they have a lot of new members in lab? Not necessarily. So basically they are just sending D-mail which is fail yet they can become lab member after Okabe undo the D-mail. |
Dusk252 said: Not necessarily. Remember when Okabe first drastically changed things (Akihabara)? He noticed that while a lot changed, relationships didn't. It happened every single time the worldline changes. Not even Ruka's gender change kept him from becoming a close friend with Mayurii. Even if under different situations, Ruka, Suzuha, Feyris and Moeka still joined the lab at some point. You're mostly right, but there was one exception: Moeka. There was one world line shift after which nobody remembered Moeka except for Okabe. |
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RedMage23 said: after Moeka sent the D-mail, she is no longer a lab member and she also never even set foot in the lab at all.Dusk252 said: You're mostly right, but there was one exception: Moeka. There was one world line shift after which nobody remembered Moeka except for Okabe. Moeka is the only outsider but right now she is an official lab member ^.^and won't get killed by Mr.brown or Nae or suicide ... |
MorningGloryAug 25, 2011 9:28 AM
| I have one question as i don't remember explanation about it or maybe it was never explained to begin with. Did SERN have some kind of timeline log machine? if someone changed timeline, then SERN machine will log that event and also get information about that unknown user? If yes. then can you tell me where it was mentioned.. or why they need to crack SERN database and delete data in order to go back to original timeline? |
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| Heart-shattering episode, very atmospheric yet almost brutal seeing what needs to happen in the next episodes. By far one of the best of the series, and a fantastic build up for what's yet to come. |
 In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same. |
| Poor Mayushii having to relive the killings in her nightmares again. Okabe had it bad too. I'm glad he is still keeping it together somehow. |
| I'm glad the questions I have had for a while has been half-answered, so I would still like to know more without getting major spoils from the VN. So in the original Alpha world line, before Kurisu was murdered and before the lecture began for the first episode, Suzuha landed on top of that building in 2010. And then afterwards we see that Kurisu is unfortunately murdered and then here's the part I ponder about. Okabe sent the FIRST D-mail. I don't recall the phone microwave already being established AND about the message he sends it to. He sent it to Daru, but how the hell is he of any significance to move the world line by preventing Kurisu's death?! I've been hearing that question is really going to be revealed in the VN, but if not, then what? Second of all, back to the part Suzuha landing before the first D-mail was sent. She was time traveling, but for what purpose besides what we could possibly know as looking for her dad? Is it not to go back in time to prevent SERN from creating the dystopia? I know this would be something that's considered Beta world line since that's what she revealed, but what purpose in Alpha? Last but not least, I've rewatched ep 1 for about 4 times including the first run through to try and understand what happened. Right after Okabe met Kurisu and ran away, he received a text message before his screen went static. I cannot read Japanese yet, but can someone mind tell me what it reads if they're willing to rewatch the episode? I know this is all going to be revealed very soon, but I'd like to know this stuff before they reveal without spoilers judging from what's already aired. I know, I'm weird like that. xP |
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GigaSPX said: I'm glad the questions I have had for a while has been half-answered, so I would still like to know more without getting major spoils from the VN. So in the original Alpha world line, before Kurisu was murdered and before the lecture began for the first episode, Suzuha landed on top of that building in 2010. And then afterwards we see that Kurisu is unfortunately murdered and then here's the part I ponder about. Okabe sent the FIRST D-mail. I don't recall the phone microwave already being established AND about the message he sends it to. He sent it to Daru, but how the hell is he of any significance to move the world line by preventing Kurisu's death?! I've been hearing that question is really going to be revealed in the VN, but if not, then what? You got it wrong. The current worldline is Alpha, and the original one is Beta. The phone microwave was already being invented before the events of Steins;Gate. Daru was conducting a test run of the device by attaching his phone to it, when Okabe sends the mail to him. It's just a coincidence. Fatalism. Kurisu survived because the timeline was shifted into the Alpha Attractor Field. As simple as that. Okabe's 1st D-mail made this worldline comes true. It's the start of a chain of events that ultimately leads to SERN dystopia. Kurisu's survival is not the initial cause, but she is a much needed component of the chain nevertheless. Going by causality and the Attractor Field Theory, Kurisu MUST survive to see the foundation of the dystopia. GigaSPX said: Second of all, back to the part Suzuha landing before the first D-mail was sent. She was time traveling, but for what purpose besides what we could possibly know as looking for her dad? Is it not to go back in time to prevent SERN from creating the dystopia? I know this would be something that's considered Beta world line since that's what she revealed, but what purpose in Alpha? It will soon be revealed, I can give you a hint tho. In episode 2, Okabe said John Titor was supposed to make her(we knew it's indeed Suzuha) frist appearance on the US forums back in 2000, claiming that something terrible will happen in the future and she's here to save the world. Sounds familiar? GigaSPX said: Last but not least, I've rewatched ep 1 for about 4 times including the first run through to try and understand what happened. Right after Okabe met Kurisu and ran away, he received a text message before his screen went static. I cannot read Japanese yet, but can someone mind tell me what it reads if they're willing to rewatch the episode? It's nothing special. =X |
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| The more times I see Mayushii die the harder I laugh. :P |
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| I totally see now...but damn, now I see where this story is heading. :/ Thanks for answering my question! |
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