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Aug 23, 2011 7:12 PM

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this guy has been through way more than anyone else, the amount of time he's seen his friends die, he had to take away one's father, one's love and gender, among other things. now to save one friend and the future he had to let Kurisu die.....

I don't know the part with Mayuri is sad but it just doesn't seem like a lot happened this time. if Kurisu dies then there will be no time leap to try to save her.

interesting Mayuri kind of dreamed all of these deaths, that would also be pretty difficult. he's gotta have so many memories now, just how can he fix things?
 
Aug 23, 2011 7:18 PM
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I HATE THE SPOILER BUTTON :<<<
I just re-watched the first episode and realized it was Okabe that shouted. hmmm
Good episode though but I wonder if it's gonna wrap all up in the next few episodes.
 
Aug 23, 2011 7:24 PM

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The fact that Mayuri had dreams about the previous world lines means (to me) that Okabe is even more important to the universe than just the "observer" who has the "Magic Eye: Reading Steiner". Has anyone here seen Baccano? Basically Okabe is like what Claire Stanfield from that show believes himself to be.
 
Aug 23, 2011 7:54 PM

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I'm having bad feelings about what's going to happen to Makise good.
 
Aug 23, 2011 8:02 PM

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Bitch got reading steiner?
 
Aug 23, 2011 8:07 PM

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Heartbreaking episode. Okabe is pretty tough to have endured as much as he has so far.
 
Aug 23, 2011 8:22 PM

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Ive been holding this question for a while now but I suppose its still not the right time to ask... :(

For the mean time, I wonder how will Okarin pull this off. I sense some sacrifice aura from Kurisu. She might still want Okarin to save Mayushii even though she will die. I hope there will be some other way. I want to see a paradox once in a while XDD
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Aug 23, 2011 8:31 PM

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All I know is that I don't want Kurisu to die, and if she does, I have no idea if I'll feel the same way about the anime, since she's by far my favorite character.
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Aug 23, 2011 8:56 PM

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I have strong feeling, that if Okarin won't stop her, Kurisu may change worldline by herself...

I second this

I feel so bad about what's happening right now (already knew things where coming this way but still...) I really really want Okarin to save Kurisu but still want to save Mayuri!!! such a hard choice T_T I hope somehow he manages to save them both.
 
Aug 23, 2011 8:59 PM

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RedMage23 said:
The fact that Mayuri had dreams about the previous world lines means (to me) that Okabe is even more important to the universe than just the "observer" who has the "Magic Eye: Reading Steiner". Has anyone here seen Baccano? Basically Okabe is like what Claire Stanfield from that show believes himself to be.

Heh, the Rail Tracer... ";..;"

Claire thinks that he's the centre of the world.

Okabe shares some qualities with Claire when he puts on his mad scientist persona, but after he tried playing god and paid its price, he has been reduced to his true self. He can hardly make any decision on his own now. Okabe lacks the confidence of Claire.

With Okabe stuck in his current position, it seems that Kurisu will pull the trigger herself.
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Aug 23, 2011 9:18 PM

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It's a heartrending story. Okarin's dilema is totally understandable. Which person should he save? Kurisu or Mayuri? He tries to think the way to save both, yet it's not easy to. That difficult conditions for Okarin and Kurisu got me so emotional.

I really liked the music is used in this week's ep. I mean really. It played a decent role as an emotional bridge to me. It was epic.

I love this episode.
 
Aug 23, 2011 9:45 PM

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we need a Kurisu oriented episode dammit


and not a sad one ;_______;
 
Aug 23, 2011 9:55 PM

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This is the dilemma of Visual Novel adaptation. To make sure all of the emotion strings pulled, Visual Novel gives you excellent script and music, but in Anime, it takes a lot of precious time.

That's why, I could see many opinions will differ in this episode. Those who wait for sci-fi thriller, they won't be so excited with emotional-building episode. But for me, who likes VN so much as a medium, this is what differ Steins;Gate with other sci-fi anime. No other sci-fi anime will have you tears, depression and emotions in the same time. That said, I give this episode 10/10, if can't more. A perfect buildup for the upcoming finale.

The only problem is, we are running out of time. I hope they could get a special episode with longer duration :(
 
Aug 23, 2011 10:29 PM

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... Agh, MAL deleted my comment!

Awesome episode, anyway. Sad but awesome. Okarin needs to watch Kurisu, I'm afraid she'll destroy the Time Leap machine or kill herself to force him to choose Mayushii over her. I'm hoping for some brilliant way to cheat causality and fate and save both, but I have a sinking feeling the opposite could occur, with both girls dying.
 
Aug 23, 2011 10:32 PM

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InterNetCasaNova said:
Hmmm I think I have everything figured out and If I'm right neither Kurisu nor Mayuri will die. I'm usually right when I take guesses so *click at your own discretion*

ur post make sense! it's all clear now but... that ending with kurisu gave me a bad feeling O_O'
 
Aug 23, 2011 10:39 PM

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Blind_Guardian said:
but I have a sinking feeling the opposite could occur, with both girls dying.


NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE

I'm pretty sure I would also die if that were to happen.
 
Aug 23, 2011 10:43 PM

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Aug 23, 2011 11:01 PM

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Yup, here comes the Kurisu-centric episode.
Shit is about to get real.
 
Aug 23, 2011 11:02 PM

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Nice, I know what ending they'll choose for the anime now thanks to that PV. Good decision on the studio's part IMO.

However, I'm a little concerned with te ending of the anime series...

With just three episodes left, I don't think they'll animate chapter 11 of the VN. I would be really disappointed if they don't but with the pacing so far it seems that it's likely to be the case. I don't think that will satisfy the anime viewers though...

Actually, scratch that. I'm definitely sure the anime viewers will not be satisfied if chapter 11 doesn't get animated. And what sucks is that they won't truly appreciate how good Steins;Gate is because of the anime adaptation. If only they stretched it out in a span of like 30 episodes...

 
Aug 23, 2011 11:13 PM
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Wow, great episode, Mayushii's talking created a nice feeling for me...:)
 
Aug 23, 2011 11:44 PM

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I got a little teary eyed when Mayurii talked with her grandmother
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Aug 23, 2011 11:54 PM
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It's really confusing, in the first episode the person at the rooftop is Suzuha right? but that was in the beta world line, why would Suzuha be there, she never had any grudges against kurisu then...
anyone mind clarifying this for me?
 
Aug 24, 2011 12:17 AM

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Nice, I know what ending they'll choose for the anime now thanks to that PV. Good decision on the studio's part IMO.

However, I'm a little concerned with te ending of the anime series...

With just three episodes left, I don't think they'll animate chapter 11 of the VN. I would be really disappointed if they don't but with the pacing so far it seems that it's likely to be the case. I don't think that will satisfy the anime viewers though...

Actually, scratch that. I'm definitely sure the anime viewers will not be satisfied if chapter 11 doesn't get animated. And what sucks is that they won't truly appreciate how good Steins;Gate is because of the anime adaptation. If only they stretched it out in a span of like 30 episodes...


i rly hope they cover chapter 11 but then again i am worried too since only 3 ep left maybe they do it in an ova or something ...
 
Aug 24, 2011 1:02 AM

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amirhoss said:
DesolateOne said:


Nice, I know what ending they'll choose for the anime now thanks to that PV. Good decision on the studio's part IMO.

However, I'm a little concerned with te ending of the anime series...

With just three episodes left, I don't think they'll animate chapter 11 of the VN. I would be really disappointed if they don't but with the pacing so far it seems that it's likely to be the case. I don't think that will satisfy the anime viewers though...

Actually, scratch that. I'm definitely sure the anime viewers will not be satisfied if chapter 11 doesn't get animated. And what sucks is that they won't truly appreciate how good Steins;Gate is because of the anime adaptation. If only they stretched it out in a span of like 30 episodes...


i rly hope they cover chapter 11 but then again i am worried too since only 3 ep left maybe they do it in an ova or something ...

No problemo. I got the title of episode 23.
 
Aug 24, 2011 1:39 AM

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That Episode was a killer. Still crying. Painful to watch Okabe and now even MAYURI IS FUCKING SAD GRAAH WHYYYY
 
Aug 24, 2011 2:26 AM

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Aug 24, 2011 2:39 AM

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The plot came to a stop, but I don't really mind it, I love the characters and their interaction. It is also building up nicely. Poor Okabe, he was ready to die to alter the course of events, reckless, but completely understandable. Three more episodes to go and I can hardly wait. I'm expecting a bittersweet ending, though I'm still hoping for a happy one. Time will tell, 5/5.
 
Aug 24, 2011 2:49 AM

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It's really confusing, in the first episode the person at the rooftop is Suzuha right? but that was in the beta world line, why would Suzuha be there, she never had any grudges against kurisu then...
anyone mind clarifying this for me?


1. It's fairly obvious it is her they obscured her face to keep everyone (well some people) guessing, she was still probably looking for her father and stopped in 2010 (possibly also for her mission (see 2)) before heading to the year 2000.
2. At no point did the anime ever state that she didn't have a grudge against Kurisu in Beta. In fact I still believe that she killed her and that Kurisu is a future leader of SERN in the worldline. As I've mentioned before, I don't believe that Beta is the dystopian-free paradise that we've been led to believe it is, but we won't really know until the very end. Keep in mind that our only view of Beta at all ever was the first few minutes of episode one. After that we've been in Alpha and nearing Omega until the dmail reversal started recently. :p
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Aug 24, 2011 3:33 AM

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this episode was a really emotional, especially the scene where mayuri died, even though we've seen it ALOT i think that this was the most depressing scenes of her 'deaths'
The ending also seems very thrillerish, with makise goind/doing something which i think is bad...
 
Aug 24, 2011 3:47 AM

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hikaricore said:
In fact I still believe that she killed her and that Kurisu is a future leader of SERN in the worldline.


I already guessed that aswell /:
Hope it isn't true... Suzu-san! >.<
 
Aug 24, 2011 4:08 AM

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Kansokusha said:

No problemo. I got the title of episode 23.


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Aug 24, 2011 5:37 AM

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Dammit this is so depressing. ;_;

The most emotional Mayuri death so far and then her talking about everything she has dreamt of. I really hope Kurisu won't go and try to change the world line on her own, but it doesn't look good in the end!
 
Aug 24, 2011 6:12 AM

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ROFL... everyone says the ep was tragic and emotional, though I feel uneasy how they'll give us a proper ending with only 3 eps left. Yeah, the ep was great as always due to its exceptional flashbacks with Mayuri and Okabe, but I really hope they don't screw this up with a rushed ending.
 
Aug 24, 2011 6:25 AM

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My only thought now is, what happens next?
 
Aug 24, 2011 6:33 AM

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If Kurisu worked for SERN she could build working time machine for them for not killing Mayuri and others. Then Okabe will create resistance movement, Daru will make Suzuha and story go back to the beginning. THE END - "Endless 8".
 
Aug 24, 2011 6:50 AM

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xMilky said:
It's really confusing, in the first episode the person at the rooftop is Suzuha right? but that was in the beta world line, why would Suzuha be there, she never had any grudges against kurisu then...
anyone mind clarifying this for me?


Who said the beta world was a dystopian-free world?

 
Aug 24, 2011 6:51 AM

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Really touching indeed. I wonder what Kurisu will do next...
 
Aug 24, 2011 6:57 AM

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this episode made me cry...;_;...

I wonder what will okarin do in the next episode...or maybe kurisu will do something about this situation?

3 more episode ><
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Aug 24, 2011 6:59 AM

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So if Mayushii remembers her deaths as dreams, why did she tell her granny that they have a lot of new members in lab? If they undid the d-mails, Feyris, Moeka and Rukako shouldn't be lab members and Suzuha died a long time ago so she shouldn't either. But Mayushii clearly said they got a lot of new members lately.
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Aug 24, 2011 7:36 AM

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Is it just me or did nothing get resolved/revealed in this episode?
 
Aug 24, 2011 7:41 AM

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OrochiPL said:
So if Mayushii remembers her deaths as dreams, why did she tell her granny that they have a lot of new members in lab? If they undid the d-mails, Feyris, Moeka and Rukako shouldn't be lab members and Suzuha died a long time ago so she shouldn't either. But Mayushii clearly said they got a lot of new members lately.


We've seen this happen before with Moeka. She was still a Lab Member even though she had no reason to be there according to what we knew. We initially saw her become a lab member in order to see the IBN, but even when it went missing after sending a D-mail she was still a lab member based on what Mayuri said back then.

The simplest explanation would be that Ruka, Moeka, Feyris, and Suzuha still ended up being lab members. The events that lead to them joining may not be the same as the events when we first saw them join...bu they still end up being lab members, nonetheless.

How do you know Suzuha died a long time ago? For one, it could have been that she just left after not being able to find her dad at the offline-meeting (like she mentioned before). That would mean she was still known at the time, but of course, she had to part ways.

Besides, even if Suzuha died a long time ago, that was after she used her time leap machine. She was still known and was a lab member at this point (well, maybe everyone except Moeka).
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hmm... just remember the 1st D-mail not only prevented kurisu's death, it also cause john titor (suzuha) to land in year 2010 instead of year 2000
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I only have one thing bothering me so far: how would erase the D-mail from SERN's database in the present change anything? I mean, it's not like everyone would just forget about it right? So how can that change the worldline?
 
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2. At no point did the anime ever state that she didn't have a grudge against Kurisu in Beta. In fact I still believe that she killed her and that Kurisu is a future leader of SERN in the worldline.
Kurisi is destined to die at beta at that time.If Suzuha manage to kill her in the beta line, Okarin's reading Steiner should activate. It is illogical for Suzuha to hate Kurisi in beta worldline.Suzuha maybe just come to find his dad.
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why did she tell her granny that they have a lot of new members in lab?
its part of her dream
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I only have one thing bothering me so far: how would erase the D-mail from SERN's database in the present change anything? I mean, it's not like everyone would just forget about it right? So how can that change the worldline?
the question that I been asking for a very long time...
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Aug 24, 2011 9:57 AM

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The grave scene was really emotional.

And I'm getting more curious about Okabe's past.
 
Aug 24, 2011 10:24 AM

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See, Okarin? You can't even die yourself in order to change Mayuri's fate.

Anyway, we're getting pretty damn close to the conclusion, and I'm so looking forward to it.
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Argh.. 3eps left. Jeez, I wonder if I'll be able to replace other series when S;G ends.
The weeks will suddenly feel very empty. Well, at least when it comes to anime.
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Aug 24, 2011 10:26 AM

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The grave scene was really emotional.

And I'm getting more curious about Okabe's past.
Okabe has no past, he was only a childhood friend w/ Mayuri.

Mayuri define who Okabe is. The mad scientist personality was created to protect Mayuri from disappearing. :p
 
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A few points to expand upon:
  • For one someone mentioned it but I want to include tot hat pic a GIF showing its other sequence in the spoiler
    Now that is supposed to show the innocence of Makise/Mayuri through their naked colorless forms. That is a most amazing art form depiction. If you studied art, you should know this is like the basics in it. Colorless sketches like that since it represents the simplest forms and as such the innocence of Mayuri/Makise is well shown that way.

  • I am assuming Makise changing World Lines by herself has to do with her investigation of her own death and that red line with numbers in the spoiler
    Well I don’t know what the anime is trying to get to but if Makise has some powers like the Reading Steiner then things could change too much but IMO they should make Mayuri save the day. Okabe was just frustrating during this episode. Like I was yelling out GET REAL OKABE AND GET TO THE POINT! Seriously that ticked me off.

  • I find Makise’s facial reactions to what Okabe told her in the spoiler
    to be not effective in conveying emotions. I don’t want to piss off Makise fans but she really should have had tears at the very least, at the very least! Indeed Makise failed to make me cry while Mayuri did a splendid job at that. Mayuri is therefore »»»»» Makise and yes I am surprised some people got affected by Makise’s reaction but none the less she had very deep emotional distress inside of her. I can kind of think like the storm shredding around all inside of something. Sadly that was the wrong way to work on me. Too bad on that one.

  • Those were quite some daring ecchi references in the spoiler
    like the cosplay stuff and poor Makise finding out some eros games or anime/porn? Well poor her but I did like seeing her with that uppa. Those anime mangas, that amazing itasha car and quite a daring advertising, of ecchi? Well there were all great anime stuff added randomly.

  • Okabe’s face was totally WTF in the spoiler
    he looked really strange shown like that and I can’t believe how stupid
    can Okabe be by thinking of killing himself will solve sweet fuck all.
    It never does anything but make people around sad so stupid Okabe was not being smart this time and oh WTF that Mayuri went to save Okabe, that was most unexpected at that time.
That’s it for now, now let’s talk around what you think about these points.
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Kansokusha said:

No problemo. I got the title of episode 23.


IMO it leads to chapter 10.
Some spoiler stuff so read at your own discretion about chapter 11 stuff if you open it.
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Aug 24, 2011 11:29 AM
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I can’t believe how stupid
can Okabe be by thinking of killing himself will solve sweet fuck all.
sigh...One of the reason I hate fate is that once your death is reveal, you won't die until the time is right.Okabe's death is determined at 2025.
No matter how hard Okabe try to save Mayuri from death,Mayuri will die when the time comes
Here is a similar sentence.
No matter how hard Okabe try to kill himself, Okabe won't die until the determined date of his death comes.
 
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RedMage23 said:
Okabe's identity crisis made me cry more than anything, although I cried pretty much through the whole episode. Man, it was intense.


Yea my eyes are so dry now after i cried. I can't read all this forums lol.
This is a really sad episode, but nothing really happen...i hope they can finish the ending without rushing.
 
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